ZX-Party
... But our monologue
and so
too long ...
From lituhabov editorial, "ZX-News"
# 50
Today marks exactly one year since
how did this topic, in which we
raised the topic of the scene.
All his arguments edition "ZX-News" tried to build on the
foundation of a solid argumentation. Opposition views with
relevant arguments we still not met. Therefore, we give
ourselves to weak _konkretnoe_ place that was
deliberately allowed to awaken the public.
Thus, the 50-th issue, an episode of "surveillance
history "when the assumptions set out
What about the first appearance of animated demo. Somehow this
point was seen as opponents of the fact that they, of course,
did not like. And our assumption was taken on their bayonets.
Why not? It's very simple: argument that part was omitted, and
sceners feel at ease, where the view is based not on evidence
but on the authority of the (very conventional) acquired
through endless "throwing fingers and chatter almost at
NLP-level of "smart vesch" (incidentally, the favorite method
of politicians).
The essence of that publication, we specifically
identified in the list of items - quote:
- Party must be one, and this - Construction Chaos'000;
- On the party vote on demam should be conducted in two
nominations: best code and the best story (conventional
definition);
- On the Spectrum has developed a real demomeyking,
ie, it should always be only a means of competitions and
conducted under party; valid as creative on the Spectrum is
recognized and strongly for support creation and gaming
software programs (including their release / revision / etc).
The attentive reader may have noticed that we have parsed
the letters which were published in this column, we
concentrated attention on the last paragraph (in other specific
objections followed), in every way trying to illuminate
this position detailed arguments (see
"ZX-News" # 51-52).
And so, after careful study of all
correspondence received by us, our
views only grown stronger. Although at the end of the section
made an important caveat ...
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And now another letter on traditional themes in the local
section, which among other things, also contains a review
article ZS "In Thoughts of scenery."
Dmitry wrote Krapivin / GoBLiN (Arzamas):
Hello!
After reading the section "ZX-Party" in "ZX-News" # 52,
decided to share their thoughts. Sorry if my letter has turned
too sharp.
Part 1. Want to Party? Nate!
Let's start with the so-called "debate." On
I think it was anything but a discussion
which involves communication / discussion
any question, just comment
author of the letter to the paper, and then your comments to
his letter.
ZXN: Hmm, but perhaps the debate is not
an interlocutor is comment comments on this or that topic? :)
Reporter: Now the digression. In
any state that recognizes the Christian
religion, surely everyone knows about Satanism.
So, satanists, trashing and denouncing the Christians are well
aware of at least the Bible. "The enemy should be beaten with
his own weapon." Let currently debating, just to slaughter was
not satisfied.
ZXN: As a rule, fight only those who
much in common. :) Just curious as to why
was taken just such an example? And moreover, with
such a context, which predetermines the role of
Editorial? ;-)
Reporter: So, your editorial is trying to
to judge the scene and scenery, not really knowing
neither history nor the traditions of the object of discussion.
"ZX-Party" reminded me of the orthodox "spectrophone" version
of which first runs into all of the authors intro / demo then -
after the flow of hate mail - Step was forced vilnut: we say,
had in mind only the bad and stupid
demos, but not all. I think if they did not score at the
Spectrum, we would have seen a good demo of them.
ZXN: First edition of "spectrophone" already
in the first issues scolded just stupid
demos and intro - to prove it can
serve as sensational in its time parody
demomeykerov, which was placed in an 8-m
release.
Secondly, the demos from Step certainly would not
was - even if they became lovers
the add (before the New Year why not fantasize? ;-)), because
Step'ovtsy were specialists Spectrum games in
inforkomovskuyu era. If they were to
us, it certainly would create a whole series
"Star Heritage: Cosmic Way." :)
Finally, many thanks for the comparison "ZX-News" with
"spectrophone" (brothers of the pen, you heard it? That's it!
:)).
Reporter: The site is http://scene.org.ru
very good article about the scene - "Languages
the scene did not pick up "by Sprocket / HRG. advise
you read it.
ZXN: Thanks for the link. Tell the readers the essence: a)
there are two groups of scenery - the first deals with
creativity (in the broadest sense of the word), which is
self-expression, and another - all the rest, ie broken software
and manifestation delusions of grandeur in everything -
self-assertion; b) a call to quit grinding languages, or "throw
your fingers, and get down to business. In addition everything
there is a lament for the good old times when there were real
sceners and not their pathetic parody of today, like now.
Well, the conclusion is obvious: not only on the Spectrum
scene managed napoganit sceners present, they are still
"Natarakanili" in all other good places to have been able to
crawl. Simply "out there" These indiviDOOMy scene only
vulgarized and here - the situation is more serious, see the
section "ZX-Party" in "ZX-News" # 52.
Reporter: Now, allow yourself a few
comments to the discussion. Quote:
> ZXN: It turns out that the original demos were just scraps
> Games? ;-) Take into account, sir. A hacking and programming
were then > Is almost synonymous. :)
Skip echidna, although initially
The term "hacker" meant a literate, but
sometimes stupid programmer. Read Veytsenbauma, Rodionova, "A
New Dictionary Hacker, "I think you change your mind.
ZXN: Uh ... We have in fact been left a loophole in the form of
the word "almost." :) But we need to clarify what was meant
amateur programming.
> Reporter: <...> However, most of dem done it for self>
movyrazheniya, rather than showing a steep coding.
Reporter: Pay attention! The letter's author
said, "to express themselves, and you later (perhaps without
malicious intent) to replace this concept to another.
ZXN: Really? We take into account, sir. Let's go further ... ;-)
> ZXN: Yes, just recently the word has become a popular party
> And for many practically merged in meaning with the compo.
Reporter: Let me argue! Not always
party is a compo.
ZXN: Certainly, but it's not about the
sense of the term, but the fact of his understanding of
people.
Reporter: Tsitituyu battered (legs)) topic:
> ZXN: <...> Dema from pure animation can not be purely
> Physically, after all running smoothly (not to mention
> Is the originality) - requires special routines
> In assembler.
Firstly there is a clean animation wild compo. Secondly,
they talked about that zakonopachenny with mpeg2exe.avifayl
exposed on the demo compo, where we assume the existence of
serious code, not procedures) in assembly.
ZXN: If our attention will be submitted to start at least a
player mpeg on the Spectrum, then we are ready to admit a
mistake. :) In another case, however, attempts to convince that
to create a competitive animation Spectrum demos do not need
"Serious code" (not to mention such trifles as the procedure
for assembly ;-)) look very strange. Is not it?
> Reporter: But you're wasting it! Remember even such things as
> "Brain Surgery" (RUSH), "Brain Crash" (Progress), "Mental
> Masturbation "(RUSH). <...>
Reporter: I can only say about one of these demos. "Mental
Masturbation" - if not the first, one of the first trekmo
on the Spectrum. Besides the fact that this thing
good looks, she is also a small masterpiece "inside."
ZXN: We do not argue with the fact that fans dem
these things seem to be masterpieces, but discussed some other
topic that can be seen from following quotation, which,
fortunately, was given. :)
> ZXN: Well, remember there are now about these demah (who seem
NE> lyayutsya masterpieces in their own environment?) As well
as "Dizzy-X", > "Dizzy-Y", "The Adventures of Winnie the Pooh",
"Last Raider" and others? A > Because it is mid-level games.
Reporter: A little later in his article, you can call "Crime
Santa Claus" "masterpiece." A it would have to include here -
this is the same "golimy" Dizzy-clone. Time of such games has
passed. Here's a demo version "Paradise Lost "- it's
interesting.
ZXN: We had in mind the second part of "Crime
Santa Claus ". We are now curious as to how to understand this
rejection of the traditional genre of arcade adventyury
Spectrum?" Time of games gone? "Well, well, then what explain
the fact that any game a little bit applying for this genre,
immediately turns the focus of Spectrum world? ..
What about "Paradise Lost". We agree with
the fact that this is an interesting project, but
his fame has affected just exotic new types of games for the
Spectrum.
> Masterpieces of the same games in the world are: "Star
Heritage", "UFO-I", > "UFO-II", "Mirror", "Last Battle", "Black
Crow" - a feeling> is the contrast?
Reporter: Let me argue about
"Last Battle". So much been written about it - starting with
Laser Squad'ovskogo engine and ending glitches and
ill-conceived algorithm. However, this is a masterpiece of an
amateur.
ZXN: This game has a major - playability (and for its time it
was huge - see the press in those years). And that put forward
the "Last Battle" in seven masterpieces despite the low
technical parameters.
> ZXN: <...> way, what is meant by the scene? A handful of any>
action demomeykerov, mostly from stsenerskimi overrun> mi, or
is it a society of creative spektrumistov?
Reporter: Of course, the second one. However, in
many publications imposed by the first definition. Again turn
to the article Sprocket'a. Not all creative spektrumisty belong
to the scene, but more on that later.
ZXN: OK, wait with arguments ... :)
> ZXN: Our negative attitude applies not demomeykinga and
> Scenery (which turned in his gun demomeyking samoutverzh>
Denia).
Reporter: That's it! Here the "self-expression"
become "self-affirmation." It's one thing when
man the demo / intro (not necessarily
on the party), and another when he starts to touch the wall
with your fingers after the success of its product, or for
other reasons.
ZXN: We had in mind just scenery, and not
creative people! For the first demomeyking -
just self-affirmation. For details
refer to the same article Sprocket'a. :)
> ZXN: Open the third lecture? :) The fashion for demomeyking,
implemented > Sceners in 1996-98-x, minimized the release of
the rest of the software
Reporter: Yes, there was no fashion! Just
Spectrum in Russia became stsenovoy machine
which in Europe was C64. Another thing is that
rushed to the scene many people unable to maintain the quality
of work at the same high level.
ZXN: Spectrum in Russia was first massive computer, then just
popular and then became a passion, a hobby! But does
not stsenovoy machine, at least not
what it is C64. Why? Did demomeykery with other platforms are
seeking to create something on the Speccy? However, any
self-respecting stsenerskaya group that produced a release and
C64, although the main computer for the creative industries
a PC or Amiga. At Spectrum also did everything just
spektrumisty.
Moreover, spektrumisty always more
appreciate it a game or system program,
not DeMouy. On this basis, we affirm that the ZX Spectrum - a
creative platform, with the features that nowhere else found.
Further, we have touch on this topic.
> Which caused huge resentment (as indicated by pres> sa those
years, "Spectrofon", for example, sounded the alarm earlier)
Reporter: I talked about this a little higher, but
Again, the downtrodden;) anxiety was not
to the point and off-topic.
ZXN: If it's about stsenerskogo Spectrum, then these things are
not so alert was, apparently, hammered on the theme, albeit
belatedly.
> Spectrum and the outflow of users (mostly in the game Ac>
tavki).
Reporter: In my opinion, on consoles piled hard-nosed gamers
who care the number of colors / sound quality in the game.
They have piled up on bills, if those
toys were better than the Spectrum.
Another thing that a person by reason kakihlibo Spectrum no
longer hold, by virtue of which the first transferred to
another platform.
ZXN: Maybe. However, incomplete citation -
there it was about the root cause of this "stalling" of users
of Spectrum, which is why authors have lost a very important
incentive - with detailed, see the "ZX-News" # 52.
> ZXN: Hopefully, it is now clear why we are opposed sceners>
sky (read - samodurovskogo) movement, which does not Spectrum >
Yielded nothing useful to say the least.
Reporter: Let me start with the fact that the scene is formed
underground, underground, if you want. Virtually all areas -
graphics, music, demo / intro came with BBS, hacked games etc.
I do not understand why you think the scenery of a petty
tyrant? Because of individuals or actions? So it does not
describe the scene as a whole.
ZXN: Let's just say, on the Spectrum underground
began with a broken game. Then some began to
tinker with fragments of these games, releasing
something which today is called intra-and
others - to create their own games and
program. Perhaps because of the Spectrum would receive
stsenovaya machine, if not ... "Inforkom. It is this
organization has instilled good taste for games and otherwise
supporting the creators of software, having a strong influence
among the Spectrum community. Subsequently, this computer has
been created own, unique atmosphere. Its users have sought
self-fulfillment in a games and software programs. This
continued up until to this community have not penetrated
indiviDOOMy, who picked up a little new-fangled ideas with
other platforms. Hereinafter the text on the 51 th and 52 th
issue. :)
About the scenery, the tyrants: of course, because of the
individual, but which most of the recent. See your
reference to one little article. ;-)
> ZXN: <...> It was a quote about why demomeyking to others
> Platforms (modern and not on the Commodore 64) was the only>
nym means of self programming (if you do not consider> a thief
in the internet).
Reporter: Well, excuse me, you have the word "affirmation"
has become the center of the universe! I I do not understand,
what kind of "self-affirmation" can be say in programming and
demostroenii? The second point is that often necessary and
useful program written by individual fans, not corporations. I
will cite a few examples of MS - convert text "Stirlitz and
network utility Network Assistant.
ZXN: Yes, there are admitted mistake. Please
indulgently forgiven for inaccurate term.
Got carried away. :)
> ZXN: Well, sceners tend to have access not only to
> Spectrum, but also to other computers - when he saw a
fashionable trend, > They immediately seized him, began
shouting that the games and system> Temko "sax with mazdaem who
write only lamer, say, pi> write can and should" only demos,
because Blam-Blam-Blam .. .
Reporter: Well, scenery began to prepare
to Varfolomeyeva night. :) Again, two points. First - Spectrum
demomeykery borrow new ideas / designs with others platforms -
to take such a transition - cracktro-> megademo-> trekmo->
synopsy.
ZXN: The logic of this paragraph, we conceive
and could not, sorry. :) Maybe someone
of the readers comment? Yet we do not
clearly, the tone says about borrowing ideas? Is the positive?
Reporter: The second point - who is well-known personalities
shouting at each corner that Games / sistemki - mastday and
sax? Man can be considered one of the categories of software
above others, but his opinion, no matter how respected he was,
not a call to action.
ZXN: Hmm ... To give precise references
on the well-known personalities, we need to peruse the archive
for data that We enjoyed a year ago, lost. But
time is not. That's really vlipli ... ;-)
But all that is quoted slightly higher -
stated in general terms, as the quintessence
what is meant sceners, so to speak.
About the same opinion the authority say the following: the
man is the authority to influence the people around them - in
this is the essence of credibility.
> And what would be said hardened sceners? :)
Reporter: Even though I pick on him, but
advise you to add another epithet -
"Notorious" ... and another - "finished" ... and another - the
"mother" ... and ... Stop! I got carried away. ;)
ZXN: We, too, as okzalos, fall in love. :)
And thanks for the terminology, take note. ;-)
> ZXN: Since being wanted various software we agree one hundred
percent > Per cent. BUT! Dema on the Spectrum should be created
only for > Festivals and otherwise - the chaos suffered by all!
Reporter: As mentioned on irc Arty / DR: "Festiwali
prowodyatsya dlya pidarasow ...". Each team chooses its own
sort of activity, so it has to decide when and what to do. In
recent years, just not enough demos are not for festivals. ;)
ZXN: Did edition "ZX-News" indicated
stsenerskim a sort of gesture that do have
this and that, like so shag, steeper, stylish, etc? No, we
simply analyzed situation, weighed the pros and cons, and come
to appropriate conclusions, which is already known to all.
Reporter: Now, to complete the theme, yet
One aspect of the problem. It is not a scene, and not
in the scenery. Let's start with the games. Of all the Russian
release, only a few quality coding and graphics / sound compare
with European counterparts.
I am not going to dig in the heart of the problem, and
leave your opinion to yourself.
ZXN: It is unfortunate that no specific arguments - we
certainly do not get used, but Still hard to understand that
there was in mind. If you meant the quality of
compared with proprietary games, then yes, but it is not one.
But that's about amateur releases of our work recognized as the
best. We _spetsializirovalis_ in the amateur game industry - as
well as did spektrumisty Eastern Europe, but only in _dem_.
So, now offered to throw our
tradition, experience and desire to implement new
game ideas in exchange for a semi-natural demomeyking? And the
fact that it is this, no doubt, otherwise I would not have been
as wild-count imitations and bad taste that we see in domestic
demah - see the reviews of the latest works in the press.
Reporter: As sistemok ... Many things are written for
"vyezhivaniya" - here I am what, "nabatsayu" faster and better
than some one else! Often the same final product obtain a
complete "fluff".
ZXN: I wonder how to understand this statement? For the first
time we hear that the final version of the "STS", "XAS",
"TASM", "MicroEditor'a" (Which is now gaining the text)
was worse than the initial? Or again we do not
grasped the idea? ;-)
Reporter: Another thing - this is my personal opinion - on
the Spectrum is not enough applications, rather than system
programs. Of course you'll laugh, but there is no sensible
database, spreadsheet, training programs and many more.
ZXN: All of the above, except
"Much more" and training programs
(Incidentally, what exactly? Actually they are many - both
Russian and Western), available on the IS-DOS.
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Then comes the second part of the letter, which touches the
edge GoBLiN article ZS.
We leave this part without comments
Editorial (except for one episode)
in the hope that the author will respond, and
able to fend off attacks. :)
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Part 2. I want to believe ...
- Yes, all this is
ridiculous ...
From my correspondence
with the MMA
Do not consider me an ardent fan of MMA (or his
chained dog;)), but the letter ZS worthy
some comments.
The first impression of the letter - is the complaint of
five boys mom. The second seems inspired by the words of my old
friend - "I am blinded him from what was
and then a week hand soap. "
Out of mercy, I crumble almost anything to avoid the
temptation to find fault with words and discuss the nature and
actions of Mr. Muchkaeva.
> <...> To my proposal to create a site on the Spectrum in
Samara, he > Treated as something incomprehensible ... On the
one hand, he wanted to > This was done, but he wanted to know
who it will be able to ETS> lat! In my power, he initially did
not believe it. And do not believe so > Far! But I started this
project. It can contemplate on > Http://www.zx.ru/zs/
Yes, the site is wonderful! I have long puffed, trying to
read a page, which could not show even FrontPage98! Problems
font with an encoding inhibitory compound plus an
incomprehensible attitude of Sergei Zotov to MMA - from
enthusiastic, dribbling to scornful. The author argues that
"BD" # 11 will be the latest in a series of "nonsense
Unbeliever'a "with reference to your article in
"ZX-News" # 52. For some reason, my article on
Site hesitate to put it.
Well, Web-design business has gone and ungrateful.
ZXN: deem it necessary to note that the html-code
site was written, according to ZS, on the Spectrum,
in text form. At the present time
site is fully updated their design. A complaint to the glitches
we are not entirely clear, since in We all worked without
problems. Maybe matters into their own software or its settings?
> Also, I did at one time no less diskovok than MMA,
> But the fault of the latter, they probably will not come out
of Samaria.
Reporter: In my opinion, it's your fault, not
MMA. Might itself and distribute, at worst (insulation tape
wrapped around;)), put them on your site.
> Only a moron can offer the man about to Download
> Speccy <...> start collecting software for C64.
Contemplating the slender ranks of morons, I offered to
collect the MMA software and for 8-bit Atari! Hooray! Hooray! I
- moron! I am proud this. ;)
> Only sceners can literally yelling that Pentagon 128 +
> AY steeper than ZS Scorpion 256 Turbo + AY + Soundrive + SMUC
+ > HDD + Hayes 14400.
Well this is an old argument, I'm in it to climb
do not try. I had the opportunity to work with the
and into another vehicle, and, frankly, I
"Caught the buzz," listening to its GS-player'e
. Mod files from the Amiga and changing date.com
(IS-DOS) for the volatile hours. On
my humble opinion;) is Scorp + HDD
most suitable for IS-DOS, so unjustly forgotten scene. ;)
> [Sceners] May be to say that the networks (in particular, and
FIDO > ZXNet) sit alone idiots.
I will not say for ZXNet, but in Fido idiots
complete. I think about it, reading the flame in
fido.zx.spectrum, dedicated to emulators and
etc. I myself like that. ;)
> However, what we have today? The new issue of "BD"!
> Yes, it came out. But read it! Where erstwhile power? Where
evil naez> hole <...>
Well, if you are, Sergei Zotov, not BornDead
Crew, do not you decide what to be a newspaper.
> <...> And MMA, supposedly, all the strains. And who will bend
fingers> matrix on the CC000? Can guess.
In my opinion, the great merit of MMA
that it generates ideas, pushing
people looking for something new. That's enough.
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And finally, the final piece of writing.
Voznobnovlyaem our comments. :)
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Part 3. Sosat.Sosat.000
Title taken from the site
http://scenesuxx.narod.ru
Nothing is more sensible to me never arrived.
After reading a few stories, I once again convinced that
this party "suck" and will "suck" more. "Pisyukastye evil
individuals "blame the drunken spektrumistov.
ZXN: It's really all you can to make sure
only visited the place myself. For example,
Editor drunk on _samom_ party ever seen. "Buchalo" only on the
street, but it is not uncontrollable and, hence, the organizers
for it is not responding.
Reporter: I do not know it was this year, in
Last up vomiting drunk individual
close to the organizer of the individual. On the other
hand, FIG needs a party at which
Spectrum for doing nothing?
ZXN: In the past, - perhaps. About the same "close to the
organizer individuals" see Random'a in "ZX-News" # 53. But over
the the latter again neponyatki. If you mean technical support,
all this by CC000 was, but if something else - then what?
Reporter: Do not remain normal
computers and people sitting behind them? If
Random honestly doing everything to make
first day of chaos, then who needs it?
ZXN: To judge the way you need to go to the very skin of the
organizer. After all, "plan" and "realize" - two opposite
things.
Reporter: Personally, I do not go into smiles
Moscow or Peter because of the stupidity tamoshnih
ments, sag, and no one knows where to read
later reports of blunt trekerschikov, that
everything was bad, because all spoiled
spektrumisty with beer. Pisishniki their scene
long-dirtied, the remaining units in a vast number of stupid
rednecks ...
ZXN: Only one voprosets: why then
With such an attitude to pisishnikam read them
Records / reports?
Correspondent: This is my incoherent monologue ends. Do not
consider me an empty "instructive," but here too I see it.
Ready to participate in any projects with any group on the
scene.
Contact:
607220, Arzamas, Komsomol Blvd 6-79
Krapivin Dmitry
e-mail: atpk@nts.nnov.ru (4 goblin)
Sincerely, GoBLiN.
10:36, 17/10/2000
ZXN: Thank you for your letter, GoBLiN! Was
very interesting bet. :)
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Epilogue. Only that you have read the letter
GoBLiN'a. In it he expressed his congenial
thought: it is impossible to separate individuals to judge the
rest. In our comments followed by an objection, but it was
required by context. :)
However, in reality, we concluded that we have done a
mistake by not signing the implied Us scenery in parentheses -
here as follows: "sceners.
Just today indiviDOOMy who called
themselves "sceners" vulgarized this notion.
But who are they to be considered with
them? Is it possible to judge the bonehead
this scenery, let them only a few - but they are! Those sceners
- with a large letters! - Which brought in a computer
world of new art.
We welcome letters in the next century! =)
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