What to do?

With best wishes, Vlad Zinuk.

Somehow Monday November 26, 2001 at 20:23:12 soap
Vlad Zinuk to All on the topic What to do?

VZ> A situation arose. Dikiy flipped into isdos a .zip file,
VZ> containing RealCommander 2.1. After unzipping it
VZ>, a file with a length of 349 sectors and the extension .scl.
VZ> was formed in IS-DOS. What programs should be used to process it and “unzip” it to
VZ> obtain
VZ> a full-fledged subject in tr-DOS?
Extractor+

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VZ>> A situation has arisen. Dikiy has leaked a .zip file into isdos,
VZ>> containing RealCommander 2.1. After unzipping it
VZ>> in IS-DOS a file was formed with a length of 349 sectors and the extension .scl.
VZ>> What programs can be used to process it and “unzip” it to
VZ>> obtain
VZ>> a full-fledged subject in tr-DOS?

KF> There is a scl file LONGER than 255 sectors. LIES IN iS-DOS. HOW TO COPY IT
KF> TO
KF> TR-DOS?

First to ms-dos, from there to tr-dos. (I didn’t come up with it)

That’s all for me. Bye, Kirill!

TimeX.

VZ>> in IS-DOS a file was formed with a length of 349 sectors and the extension .scl.
VZ>> What programs can be used to process it and “destroy” it to
VZ>> obtain
VZ>> a full-fledged subject in tr-DOS?

VZ>>> in IS-DOS a file was formed with a length of 349 sectors and the extension .scl.
VZ>>> What programs should be used to process it and “destroy” it to
VZ>>> obtain
VZ>>> a full-fledged subject in tr-DOS?
EP>> Extractor+

EP> Extractor+

I have the program ^^^^^^^, but without the + sign. She doesn't perceive the is-dos
disk. But the problem is that I can copy
from is-dos to tr-dos a file of no more than 255 sectors.
That’s the problem. Of course, I can cut the file into parts using the desktop program "saw /255" and copy it to tr-dos.
And when you start Extractora, it processes a piece of 255 sectors, but does not want the second remainder.
What should I do? ;(

KF> There is a scl file LONGER than 255 sectors. LIES IN iS-DOS. HOW TO COPY IT
KF> INTO TR-DOS?
So, it seems like there are separate universal copiers. Which themselves determine the disk format. You launch and copy from IS-Dos to TR-Dos, and then you can use an extractor. Although I haven’t worked with it, SCL_01 can easily cut cut files.

Best regards, Oleg. [ZX]

1. spliter.com cuts the file into pieces of a given length, further
to_trdos.com

2. to-trdos.com itself cuts into pieces when copied to tr-dos

What do you need?

Nikolaj.
[REAL ZX]

KF> There is a scl file LONGER than 255 sectors. LIES IN iS-DOS. HOW TO COPY IT
KF> TO TR-DOS?

Ruinerovsky spliter.com you will cut it, copy it, glue it in trdos RC
maybe.

WBR, Jason.

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KF>> COPY IT TO TR-DOS?
YP> transfer it to TR-Dos and process Extractor in it, since for Is Dosа
YP> no one wrote something like that

@#$! HOW TO "TRANSFER IT TO TR-DOS"? THAT'S WHAT YOU ASKED!

KF>> COPY TO TR-DOS?
RT> First to ms-dos, from there to tr-dos. (I didn’t invent it)

People don’t know much about perversions...

1. Format the floppy disk for MS-DOS.
2. Copy the *.scl file from IS-DOS to the MS-DOS disk.
3. Switch from IS-DOS mode to TR-DOS mode.
4. Download the TR_MS utility.
5. Copy *.scl from the MS-DOS floppy disk to the TR-DOS floppy disk.
6. Using the SCL_conv or Extractor programs, convert
your *.scl file.

Another way is to write a letter to Sn. Petersburg Leontiev,
the current leader of IS-DOS, and ask him to modify IS-DOS so that it would be possible to copy files longer than 255 sectors
to a TR-DOS floppy disk, and send the utility. For N amount he will do it with pleasure. His address: 195256 St. Petersburg,
pr. Sciences 28 quarter 123 Leontyev A. G. :-)

With best wishes,

Vladimir Chernikov.

28 Nov 01 12:46, Vlad Zinuk -> Evgeny Poddubny:

VZ> And when you start Extractora, it processes a piece of 255 sector-
VZ> tors, but does not want the second remainder.
VZ> What should I do? ;(

Write the chunks sequentially to disk and rename them
filename.scl
filename.1cl
filename.2cl
etc.

The extractor will chew through them.

Stanislav

Somehow Wednesday November 28, 2001 at 12:46:25, Vlad and Evgeny were arguing on the topic What to
do?

VZ> I have a program ^^^^^^^, only without the + sign. Is-dos
VZ> she does not perceive the disk. And the problem is that

if someone sends me a description of the IsDos disk format, I will be happy
to support it in the next version of Extractora

VZ> copy
VZ> from is-DOS to tr-DOS I can file no more than 255 sectors.
VZ> That’s the problem. Of course, I can use the program
VZ> "saw /255" to cut the file into parts and copy it to tr-dos.
VZ> And when you start Extractora, it processes a piece of 255 sectors-
VZ>, but does not want the second remainder.

KF> @#$! HOW TO "TRANSFER IT TO TR-DOS"? THIS IS ASKED!

you are endlessly promoting Is Dos...
that means you are the smartest one here...
you should answer this question :)

VZ>>> rhenium .scl. What programs should I use to process it and
VZ>>> “destroy” it to get a full-fledged subject in
VZ>>> tr-dose?
EP>> Extractor+

VZ> I have the program ^^^^^^^, but without the + sign. Is-dos
VZ> she does not perceive the disk. And the problem is that
Of course, it only works in tr-dos.

VZ> I can copy a file of no more than 255
VZ> sectors from is-dos to tr-dos. This is the problem. Of course, I can
VZ> with the "saw / 255" program cut the file into parts and
VZ> copy it to tr-dos. And when you start Extractora, it
This is what it does.

VZ> processes a piece of 255 sectors, and the second remainder does not
VZ> want. What to do? ;(
Pieces of the file in tyr-dos disks must be in a row with the same names and
extensions .scl .0cl .1cl, etc.

Once Thursday November 29, 2001 at 01:58:57, Vladimir and Vlad were arguing about What
to do?

VZ>> a full-fledged subject in tr-dos?

VC> 1. Format the floppy disk for MS-DOS.
VC> 2. Copy the *.scl file from IS-DOS to the MS-DOS disk.
VC> 3. Switch from IS-DOS mode to TR-DOS mode.
VC> 4. Load the TR_MS utility.
VC> 5. Copy *.scl from the MS-DOS diskette to the TR-DOS diskette.
VC> 6. Using the SCL_conv or Extractor programs convert
VC> your *.scl file.

Extractor 2.1 actually understands MS-Dos disks
so after point 2 you can go straight to the 6th

29 Nov 01 23:31, Yuri Potapov wrote to Vlad Zinuk:

YP> if someone sends me a description of the IsDos disk format, q s
YP> I will be happy to support it in the next version of Extractora

Soap sent. But you don't really need an extractor from a soft drive,
and to support a hard drive you need to have its driver for a specific
machine. But nothing will help against wicked users - they store information
about the location of isdos disks on the screw in the isdos kernel, which
is loaded from nowhere. Theoretically, you can try to load this kernel
from the screw and find both the driver and the coordinates in it... But you can go further
and use the functions of the kernel itself to access disks. In general, under
iS-DOS
you actually need to write a program.

You also need to know the structure of the Scorpio file system...

Dear Vlad Zinuk and All!!

I again explain the easiest way to copy
long files (more than 255 sectors) from IS-DOS floppy disks to
TR-DOS format.

Forwarded by Vladimir Chernikov
Orig.Area: REAL.SPECCY
Orig.From: Vladimir Chernikov (2:5025/90.16)
Orig.To : Vlad Zinuk (2:5030/827.19)
Orig.Subj: What to do?
Orig.Date: Thursday November 29, 2001
Orig.Time: 01:58:57

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Somehow Saturday December 1, 2001 at 10:36:35 soaped
Vladimir Chernikov to All on the topic What to do?

VC> Another way is to write a letter to Sn. St. Petersburg
VC> Leontyev,
VC> currently leading IS-DOS, and ask him to modify IS-DOS,
It is not very clear what needs to be improved in isdos.. It is tyrdos that needs to be modified
so that it understands files longer than 255 sectors, but is-dos has nothing to do with it. All
right?

[skip crap method]

VC> In this way you can copy a file of any length to disk
VC> TR-DOS. The proposal to cut
VC> into pieces a file in IS-DOS, and
VC> then copy it to TR-DOS, is possible, but more
VC> is lengthy

Did you think what you said? In is-dosa:

Method 1:
1. Split (spliter.com)
2. Copy (to_trdos.com)

Method 2:
1. Just copy (to-trdos.com)

Well, where you have to do more body movements?

VC> and is fraught with errors.

Where will they come from? The software has already been tested...

EP>>> Extractor+
YP>> why "+"?
EP> It's just a wheezing, self-unpacking Extractor with
EP> overlays.

which version? 1.x or 2.x ?

Somehow Saturday December 1, 2001 at 00:49:38, Kirill and Yuri were arguing about What to
do?

KF> Sent soap. Just don't need an extractor from a soft drive, you need...

KF> and to support the hard drive you need to have its driver for a specific
KF> and it would also be nice to have the hard drive itself :)

KF> machine. But nothing will help
KF> against the wicked users - they store information
KF> about the location of isdos disks on the screw in the kernel
KF> of isdos, which
KF> is loaded from somewhere unknown. Theoretically, you can try
KF> to load this
KF> kernel from the screw and find both the driver and the coordinates in it... But then
KF> you can go further
KF> and use the functions of the kernel itself to access
KF> disks. In general, under
KF> iS-DOS
KF> you actually need to write a program.

oh wow, you offered me a hemorrhage here :)

no really... under Is Dos on the HDD write yourself...
especially since it will be even easier to do it from there than for me

and Extracter is designed for FDD and there’s no way around it

so I’ll try to do something according to your description... but the HDD has I'm not here...

KF> You also need to know
KF> the structure of the Scorpion file system...

no need... I'm climbing through #3d13... because I don't care

02 Dec 01 21:47, Nikolaj Amosov wrote to Vladimir Chernikov:

NA> Or ask me to-trdos.com, which itself cuts files
NA> when copying. True, it is in a slightly unfinished form (my sources were killed
NA>), like it copies only at the cursor or in
NA> the command line.

In echo!

EP> It’s not very clear what needs to be improved in the isdos.. This

Program for copying files from the IS-DOS format to the TR-DOS format
belongs to IS-DOS, was last edited by Leonty-
ev in 1999, but it could not and still does not know how to copy
long files (longer than 255 sectors) to the TR-DOS disk. That's what
she needs to be modified so that she can do this. The program MS_TR
can do this, because the author has good hands.

EP> Tyrdos needs to be modified so that it has files longer than 255 sectors

TR-DOS is a classic, it does not need modification. TR-DOS appeared
when there was no trace of IS-DOS.

EP> understood, but IS-DOS had nothing to do with it. All right?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The authors of the program, and not IS-DOS.

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YP> what version? 1.x or 2.x?
I'm having troubles with Extractor 2.x:
it detects memory incorrectly on KAE - it sees Pentagon 256, but it should see
Scorpio/KAI.

Does not work with the electronic disk.

In version 1.x everything is OK.

Alexandr

[ZX]

YP>>>> why "+"?
EP>>> It's just a wheezing, self-unpacking Extractor with
EP>>> overlays.
YP>> what version? 1.x or 2.x ?

NA>> Or ask me to-trdos.com, which cuts itself

YP> It would also be nice to have the hard drive itself :)

It's not difficult.

KF>> Theoretically, you can try to load this kernel from the screw and find in
KF>> both the driver and the coordinates... But you can go further and
KF>> use the functions of the kernel itself to access the disks. In general
KF>> you actually need to write a program under iS-DOS.
YP> oh wow, you offered me a hemorrhage here :)

Well, I say - forget it.

YP> and Extracter is designed for FDD and there’s no getting around it

Floppy disks will soon be more expensive than screws!

This workaround can also be used for the CP/M
computer PROFI+ mode, see diagram:

TR-DOS >>>>> MS-DOS>>>>>CP/M
│^^^^^^^^│
│TRMSHOB+│
└────────┘
CP/M >>>>>>MS-DOS>>>>>>TR-DOS
│^^^^^^^^│
│TRMSHOB+│
└────────┘

YP> actually Extractor 2.1 understands MS-Dos disks
YP> so after point 2 you can go straight to the 6th

Inspiring! :-)

Once Thursday December 6, 2001 at 00:08:19, Alexandr and Yuri were arguing about What
to do?

YP>> which version? 1.x or 2.x ?
AK> I have troubles here with Extractor 2.x:
AK> it incorrectly determines the memory on KAE - it sees Pentagon
AK> 256, but it should see
AK> Scorpio/KAI.

AK> Does not work with the electronic disk.
by #3d13? strange...

AK> + Origin: KAY-1024 turbo 2*5.25"/3.5"/USR33600/HDD
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
nothing surprising.... first 6.7 bits are polled in #7ffd
and only then #1ffd

although it’s strange... in theory it should be a pentagon 512

KF> What the hell? For complete masochists? Without a screw or
KF> a large ramdisk
KF> there is nothing to do here.

how do you imagine the work of TR Dos software with IS Dos screw?

You are digging from the wrong end... it’s easier to write under IS Dos software
by the way, but from .scl you need to extract the desired files or what?