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From: "Alexander Shushkov" <ax...@mail.ru>
Date: Thursday, September 12, 2002, 6:45:40 PM
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Day, good people!
I have a few questions:
1. Is it possible to print on the Pentagon from ZX-Lprint to CM6337 in an alternative
encoding and how?
We print only from TLW. It is clear that it works with KOI-8, but how to make it work with an alternative encoding? Does anyone have
instructions for this printer (preferably in electronic form)? Or at least tell me
the sequence of actions.
2. Help for Glitch versions from 4.1, 4.2, 5.0, 5.1.
3. Does anyone have any recommendations for setting up XTR-modema, as well as
selecting elements.
4. The same goes for setting up GS, connecting it, etc.
With respect, Sasha Ksor/Perspective
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Best regards, Stanislav.
SY> alternative encoding and how? We only print from
SY> TLW. It is clear that it works with KOI-8, but how can I make it work with
SY> alternative encoding? Does anyone have instructions for
SY> this printer (preferably in electronic form)? Or at least
SY> tell me the sequence of actions.
You can recode the text. The only question is what. I guess that
iS-DOS's printer driver does this transparently.
SY> 3. Does anyone have any recommendations for setting up XTR-modema, as well as
SY> for selecting elements.
You should ask Lomov. Something about the current flowing
through the CL...
On 13 Sep 02, Stanislav Yudin wrote to All:
SY> From: "Alexander Shushkov" <ax...@mail.ru>
SY> Date: Thursday, September 12, 2002, 6:45:40 PM
SY> 1. Is it possible to Pentagon from ZX-Lprint to print on CM6337 in
SY> alternative encoding and how?
easily. through your driver. writing it takes 10 minutes.
SY> We only print from TLW.
SY> It is clear that it works with KOI-8, but how to make it work with
SY> alternative encoding?
conversion table. I once wrote a driver, albeit for Scorp, for
ZX Word just for the 6337. I don’t think that programming a Pentagon is more difficult.
only I don’t have a Pentagon for experts.
SY> Maybe someone has instructions for this
SY> printer (preferably in electronic form)?
Only paper. I can send photocopies.
SY> Or at least
SY> tell me the sequence of actions.
we get a byte for printing, change the encoding according to the table, throw it into the port. All. :)
SY> 3. Does anyone have any recommendations for setting up XTR-modema, and
SY> also for selecting elements.
with that to St. Petersburg.
SY> 4. The same thing for setting up GS, its connection, etc.
what to connect it to? stuck it in the slot and that's it. :) if it's in the Pentagon, kill it right away. Alk hasbad experience. GS works, but not as it should - it's buggy. why he
couldn’t figure it out, although he’s not bad at rummaging around with hardware.
P.S. I also sent this answer by e-mail.
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SZ> and what to connect it to? stuck it in the slot and that's it. :) if it's in the Pentagon, kill
SZ> right away.
SZ> Alk has a bad experience. GS works, but not as it should - it's buggy. why
SZ> he
SZ> couldn’t figure it out, although he has a good grasp of hardware.
again, you with your prejudices;(, the Pentagon is exactly the same computer, no need to bother
people. And they’ve written about connecting GS so many times that there’s no point in repeating
it.
JTN/4D
SZ>> kill it right away. Alk has a bad experience. GS works, but not as
SZ>> it should - it's buggy. why he couldn’t figure it out, although he’s good at hardware
SZ>> not bad.
VK> again you with your prejudices;(,
no prejudices.
VK> the Pentagon is exactly the same computer, don’t bother bothering people.
I’m saying that I know. The Pentagon doesn’t have enough signals, at least for GS,
however, for connecting hayes too. them It can be done, of course, but
you will have to solder it additionally.
VK> And they have already written about connecting GS so many times that there is no point in repeating
VK>.
Why are they asking then?
14 Sep 02 19:05, Sergey Zotov -> Vassili Klimov:
SZ> the Pentagon does not have enough signals, at least for GS,
SZ> but also for connecting hayes. Of course, they can be made, but
SZ> this will additionally have to be soldered.
Whom to solder? /OUT_IORQ? There it is ready, although hidden :).
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SZ> I say what I know. The Pentagon does not have enough signals, at least for
SZ> GS, but also for connecting hayes. Of course, they can be made
SZ>, but this will additionally have to be soldered.
And if you don’t solder, then there’s nowhere to stick it. So stop talking nonsense to
the masses.
The Pentagon is no worse, and in general it is the only computer where the effects are in the demos
in
their own places.
SZ> I say what I know. The Pentagon does not have enough signals, at least for
SZ> GS, but also for connecting hayes. Of course they can be made
SZ>, but you will have to solder it additionally.
And I almost fell out of my chair laughing :)
Let’s write what signals are missing there to connect the Hayes.
As I vaguely remember, GS conflicts with the printer (and the cache). And the printer on
the Pentagon is disabled by default.
I also don’t really like the decoder there on a bunch of diodes, but it works in most
cases.
VK>> the Pentagon is exactly the same computer, it’s not worth bothering people.
SZ> I’m saying what I know. The Pentagon does not have enough signals, at least for
SZ> GS, but also for connecting hayes. They can of course be done
SZ>, but this will additionally have to be soldered.
What's the problem with soldering?
especially since complete decryption is no worse than capturing IORQ.
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KF> And if you don’t solder, then there’s nowhere to stick it in.
I have it stuck in the slot. I didn’t solder anything.
KF> So stop talking nonsense to the masses.
Whoever is talking. :)
KF> The Pentagon is no worse, and in general this is the only
KF> computer where
KF> the effects in the demos are in place.
poor Real Masters! How did they write their demos on Scorpi and everything was in place?! :) And in general, demos are not the most important thing that is on the echo tag. By the way,
how many demos are supported by the same GS that started it all? Something
only 1 comes to mind - Anamnesis (from the same Real Masters) which
doesn't need a pentagon at all. :)
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SY> alternative encoding and how? We only print from
SY> TLW. It is clear that it works with KOI-8, but how can I make it work with
SY> alternative encoding?
As far as I remember, when the printer is turned on, it is not KOI-8 that is installed, but a
modified alternative encoding. Her Cyrillic alphabet is not interrupted by
pseudographics, so some of the Russian letters when printed are visible in the form of
pseudographics.
SY> Does anyone have instructions for this printer (preferably in
SY> electronic form)?
There is a plate with a list of commands specifically for this printer. Follows in the echo
because it may be interesting to others.
SY> Or at least tell me the sequence of actions.
Before printing, you need to send the following
sequence to the printer: #1B,#52,#0E
> ==== Windows Clipboard started here ====
56. "Selecting standard sets characters" -> AP2 R n -> 1Bh
52h n
When entering a sequence, all data is printed according to the set
characters of the code table specified by the parameter "n":
n=10 - code table KOI-8 GOST 19768-74;
n=11 - code table KOI-7H0 GOST 27463-87;
n=12 - code table KOI-7H1 GOST 27463-87;
n=13 - combined code table KOI7 L/R;
n=14 - PC code table (ALT1);
n=15 - additional code tablePC table (ALT2).
> ==== Windows Clipboard died here ====
I wish you good luck. Igor.
SZ> conversion table. I once wrote a driver, though for
SZ> Scorp, for ZX Word just for 6337. I don’t think that Pentagon
SZ> is more difficult to program. only I don’t have a pentagon for
SZ> experts.
You don’t need any conversion tables, this printer has an alternative
code table, you just need to turn it on after initialization.
I wish you good luck. Igor.
SZ> I say what I know. the Pentagon does not have enough signals, at least for
Can I ask which ones? Otherwise you can’t believe that you have mastered the topic.
SZ> GS,
SZ> however, for connecting hayes too. they can be made, of course, but
SZ> this
SZ> will additionally have to be soldered.
Why is there so much soldering??? Soldering takes 30 minutes of work, and well, you also need a flash
, otherwise there are no problems, I connected this miracle in 1 hour.
SZ> /IORQGE
/OIRQ and /IORQGE - different signals?
With best wishes -
Wlodek.
DB> what's the problem with soldering?
I don't like to do this, but if you want, I don't mind.
DB> especially since complete decryption is no worse than capturing IORQ.
well, this is already difficult for me... imho then everything needs to be decrypted completely, because
if your piece of hardware is completely decrypted, this does not mean that something else can be
decrypted from what is already on it board but this is imho...
WB> /OIRQ and /IORQGE - different signals?
Yes.
/OIORQ - signal /IORQ active in SOS
/IORQGE - signal blocking /IORQ to part of the circuit (most often simply /IORQ through
resistor)
Bye, Wladimir!
Arc/exRLDG
16 Sep 02 06:50, Sergey Zotov wrote to Wladimir Bulchukey:
SZ> /IORQGE, and E. Milun, who described this in Oberon 4, is then a complete layman? ;)
SZ> He was not the only one, by the way, who described this, because... It refers to someone else there.
These are all provocations of the damned and scorpionists.
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SZ> /IORQGE, and E. Milun, who described this in Oberon 4, is then a complete layman? ;)
SZ> He
SZ> was not the only one, by the way, who described this, because refers to someone else there.
this signal is made in 0.5 minutes by soldering a 300 Ohm resistor between the processor
and
everything else.
With respect, Maxony.
IZ> You don’t need any conversion tables, this printer has
IZ> an alternative code table, you just need to turn it on after initialization
IZ>.
Have you not heard that there are also dips on which the initial encoding depends?
C Best regards, Maxony.
SZ>>> what are they asking then?
AA>> Where?
SZ> read the thread from the beginning.
I meant that you can’t see the herds of questions about connection.
I read it, but those comrades along the way don’t read anything at all.
AA>> Popular everything is written IMHO in ZXF.
SZ> I’m not interested.
That information from manufacturers (developers) is not interesting to you, but
arguments of left-wing comrades about their trouble with this thing are interesting to you?
Then in another three years they will connect
AA>> Sell it inexpensively GS
SZ> 800-900 rubles. from the official manufacturer in St. Petersburg. support
SZ> a domestic manufacturer.
AA>> - I’ll connect it for myself, then at the next CAFe this thing will be there too.
SZ> if I go to the next Cafe, I’ll bring GMX with me, where everything
SZ> can be connected easier than ever. I have GS already connected there.
Well, it works
Let a comrade then take the Scorpio diagram in one hand and the Pentagon in the other, and put the GS diagram on
the table and everything will become clear to him.
If it’s not clear, let him give it to a more understanding comrade.
Bye, Sergey!
Arc/exRLDG
SZ> I have no idea, but I have only encountered this - /IORQGE.
/OUTIORQ - the IORQ signal from the Beta-Disk controller to the Spectrum board
is blocked when writing to the controller port. The Beta-Disk controller receives
IORQ directly from the processor, and /OUTIORQ.
/IOGE (IORQCE) is a signal specific to the ZX bus. On Scorpion
this is IORQ connected through a resistor and must be blocked by an external
device
when accessing its ports. In KAY 1.5 version /IOGE this is a purely digital
port blocking input on the computer board.
To connect GS you need /DOS and /IORQCE (IOGE) signals. Pentagon requires
installing a resistor between /OUTIORQ from the controller and the computer board. The signal
from /OUTIORQ of the Beta-Disk controller must be connected to the GS as /IORQ, the signal
/OUTIORQ from the computer board (another resistor pin) must be connected to the
GS as /IOGE. Resistor resistance 300..600 ohm.
Oberon is not an authority. They screw up there, and then here they tell tales
about non-functioning pentagons. Read ZF old issues, everything is written there about
GS.
16 Sep 02 09:02, Igor Zhadinets -> Stanislav Yudin:
IZ> As far as I remember, when the printer is turned on, it is not KOI-8 that is installed, but
IZ> a modified alternative encoding. Her Cyrillic is not interrupted
IZ> by pseudographics, so some of the Russian letters when printed are visible in the form of
IZ> pseudographics.
Exactly. That's right.
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Sergey Zotov and Maxim Latysh spoke on the topic Questions from AXor, I intervened:
ML>> Can I ask which ones?
SZ> read the letter from FK0
I have no idea who he is, and I don’t need it anyway, I’m already all about this
said.
Sergey Zotov and Alexander Araktcheew spoke on the topic Questions from AXor, I
intervened:
ML> And the fact that there are still dips on which the initial
ML> encoding depends, haven’t you heard?
Well, I don’t know, maybe on your printer there is a special switch for selecting
encoding, but on my CM6337 there is none.
I wish you good luck. Igor.
VK> According to my data - 1B 52 0F.
VK> I can take the time to dig up the driver for ZX-Word, which sends exactly this in the
VK> INIT procedure. Let's check at the same time.
I'm sure I was wrong, code #0E enables a modified alternative
encoding (i.e. the one that is by default)
I wish you good luck. Igor.
IZ>>> You don’t need any conversion tables, this printer has
IZ>>> an alternative code table, you just need to turn it on after initialization
IZ>>>.
ML>> And the fact that there are still dips on which the initial
ML>> encoding depends, haven’t you heard?
SZ> for example.
ML> You could also suggest reading Murzilka.
Well... read it!
There’s even a comic about you (“Yabeda-Koryabeda” ;)
Tschau, Siril//4D.
WB> Well then, there are no problems in the Pentagon - anyone can solder a resistor
WB>.
I can’t... any more questions?
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IZ>> switch for selecting encoding, but on my CM6337 there is none
IZ>>.
ML> nonsense.
ML> With respect, Maxony.
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