Variation on the theme of CMOS clock according to Gluck. (fwd) — ZXNet «real.speccy»

From Vladimir V. Klymus To All 30 June 1998

Hi, Roman!

Roman Milukov wrote to All:
RM> Please pay attention to the subject and do not think that this is another
RM> standard! Addressing according to the Gluck standard, only a little tougher,
RM> which, in my opinion, is useful.

Either I'm confusing something, or the standards have changed :) Gluck, if I'm not mistaken
had the following ports: #DFF7 - register selection, #EFF7 - data, #FFFC - permission
access
to m/s. According to the given diagram, everything is different.

RM> A13 ─2─┤A1│ ╞─14 ┌───┐ │ │ │
RM> A14 ─3─┤A2│ ╞─13 ┌─11┤1 ╞─13─┐ ├───┤ │
RM> ├──┤ ╞─12──┴─12┤ │ └────17─┤DS │ │
RM> │ │ ╞─11 ├───┤ ┌────14─┤AS │ │
RM> A3 ─4─╡v1│ /WR ─15─┤R/W│ │

Well, okay, ports. According to the above diagram, as well as according to the
Gluck scheme, the /DS, AS, R/W signals are not generated correctly. In the doc
to 512VI1 it is written that the signal states should be as follows:

AS R/W /DS
nothing 0 1 1
select register 1 1 1
read from register 0 1 0
write to register 0 0 1

In this circuit we have unknown what. I tried to connect
via Glitch, and it broke down. I had to do everything myself:
┌──┐
selecting a portdata ──┬───────┤1 ├───> to the 17th leg VI1
│ /RD─┤ │
│ ├──┤
└───────┤1 ├───> to the 15th leg VI1
/WR─┤ │
└──┘
┌──┐
select address port ──────────┤ o───> to the 14th leg of VI1
└──┘

That’s how it all worked. Or maybe my VI1 is broken? :).

From Roman Milukov To All 1 July 1998

Hello, Vladimir!

30 Jun 98 Vladimir V, hoping that everyone would read it, wrote:

VV> Either I’m confusing something, or the standards have changed :) Gluck,

It seems that you recently started reading this echo...
There were a lot of bazaars about this, and under public pressure :) Mr. Gluck
changed standard.

On ZX_Server there is a new circuit and a dock from Mr. Gluck, read it.

VV> Well, okay, ports. According to the above diagram, as well as according to the
VV> scheme
VV> Gluck, the /DS, AS, R/W signals are not generated correctly. In the
VV> dock
VV> for 512VI1 it is written that the states of the signals should be

Everything there is formed correctly!
You seem to have truncated information on VI1. The functions of these inputs are broader.
And I also wrote about this here.

VV> In this circuit we have unknown what. I tried

It’s just _you_ “don’t know what.”

VV> connect
VV> via Gluck, and it broke down. I had to do everything myself:

It looks like you messed up somewhere else. This scheme has been working for me for a long time.

VV> That’s how it all worked. Or maybe my VI1 is broken? :)

You know better there. :)

VV> Isn’t it worth trying to use
VV> a 47,000 uF capacitor instead of a battery?

It’s really worth it. I have a lithium battery from a “talking” watch
it’s thin, it’s enough.

All the best.
Roman.

From Kirill Frolov To All 3 July 1998

Once on 06/30/98 at 17:16:46 someone Vladimir V. Klymus wrote to All
about Variation on the theme of CMOS clocks according to Gluck. (fwd) and I decided to intervene.

├┤i Vladimir & All !

[...]

VV> Shouldn’t you try using an ionistor
VV> instead of a battery, something like 47000 uF? ~~~~~~~~~

Why bother so much - there is DALLAS, which rules 4ever.
You don’t need almost any parts or batteries, especially!

W!7h Be$7 W!$he$, FK0.

From Roman Milukov To All 6 July 1998

Hello, Kirill!

03 Jul 98 Kirill Frolov, hoping that Vladimir V. would read, wrote:

KF> Why bother so much - there is DALLAS, which rules
KF> 4ever.

So you have it in 5030, but here I barely dug up 512VI1!

2All: Who knows anything about UM82C8167? This is also CMOS.

KF> You don’t need almost any parts or batteries!

Yes...

All the best.
With respect Roman.

From Tim Kelly To All 7 July 1998

RM> So you have it in 5030, but here I could barely dig up 512VI1!

RM> 2All: Who knows anything about UM82C8167? This is also CMOS.

Here. This question worries me too. I have a real-life guy here in Fido, how can he do without CMOS? And I have two UM's lying around...

Hasta la vista.
Tim Kelly

From Andrey Isaev To All 8 July 1998

TK> Here. This question worries me too. Here
TK> I have a real-life guy in Fido, how can he do it without CMOS?
Well, neither he is the first nor he is the last :) all fidosh clock software is a time setter in ZED, there is no need to set the current clock for this imho.

Sincerely, Andrey.

... The hedgehog is a proud bird: if you kick it, it won’t fly!

From Tim Kelly To All 13 July 1998

AI> Well, neither he is the first nor he is the last :) all the fidish clock software is
AI> a time setter in ZED, there is no need to set the current clock for this imho.

Yeah... I've been using ZED for a couple of days - my hands hurt from every minute
interruption of time :( It's better with a clock! :)

From Roman Milukov To All 14 July 1998

AI> software is a time setter in ZED, there is no need to set the current clock for the sake of
AI> this imho there is no need.

Actually, we were talking about the scarcity of 512VI1 and the availability of UM82C8167...
Is it worth setting the clock just for the sake of ZED - in my opinion - it’s worth it!

All the best.
Roman.

From Andrey Isaev To All 15 July 1998

TK> Yeah... I've been using ZED'om for a couple of days - pens
????? Why did you get there?
TK> they hurt from the interruption of time every minute :( It’s better with a watch
TK>! :)
I agree.

From Tim Kelly To All 17 July 1998

Wed Jul 15 1998, Andrey Isaev squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach Tim Kelly:

TK>> Yeah... I've been using ZED'om for a couple of days - pens

AI> ????? Why did you get there?

And I have people here in Fido... Tested :)

Zed with a propeller - a complete steering wheel! How he tosses!... How he links... Pestnya! :)
Don’t ask how I added the screw to the spec - I didn’t add anything :)
But I surfed the live disk - I managed to eat, wash and wait :)