TEAC FD-55GFR 193-U
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Maybe someone has rebuilt Subj to read DD/DS disks? Tell us how to achieve
normal operation.
After moving the jumpers to the indicated position, it was possible to achieve a disk rotation speed of ~300 rpm,
o
o o o o
|
o o o o
o o o--o
but the disks are still not readable. I tried to connect 2nd contact to the common one - no
changes. Maybe somewhere else you need to hang the jumper?
I wish you good luck. Igor.
[Wednesday June 28, 2000] at [12:59:49] Igor Zhadinets wrote a letter to All.
They discussed the topic "TEAC FD-55GFR 193-U". Let's continue what we started...
IZ> Maybe someone has rebuilt Subj to read DD/DS disks?
And the subject on 1.2M, HD?
IZ> Tell me how to achieve normal operation.
IZ> After moving the jumpers to the specified position
Aren't the jumpers labeled?
IZ> I managed to achieve a disk rotation speed of ~300 rpm,
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IZ> but the disks are still not readable.
I had the same situation with 'Mitsumi' (5.25", 1.2Mb). There were _two_ different
jumpers, each with two positions: one was responsible for the speed (300/360), and
the other -
for HD/DD.
IZ> I tried to connect the 2nd contact
IZ> to the common one - no changes.
I found some tattered piece of paper here :) with my notes.
Reading...
2nd contact FDD (input):
log."0" - HD
log."1" - DD
At least, these are the levels I set offtopic cartoon, when trying to
enable HD or DD on a 1.44 (3.5") flop.
IZ> Maybe somewhere else the jumper
IZ> needs to be attached?
Try to lather Kirill Frolov (absent until the second half of July;
2:5030/827.2, Kirill Frolov). It seems that the subject (1.2 MB) easily worked for him on Speck.
Sincerely, Felix.
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Thanks for the advice, everything is OK. It turned out that the spring pressing the head
jumped off and therefore the drive did not read. Those jumpers that
drew are enough.
IZ>> I tried to connect the 2nd contact to the common one - no changes.
FK> I found some tattered piece of paper here :) with my notes.
FK> Reading...
FK> 2nd contact FDD (input):
FK> log."0" - HD
FK> log."1" - DD
Reads disks at any logical level at this input.
P.S. No one has adjusted the drive using SPECCY at home, otherwise
the last tracks are hard to read?
I wish you good luck. Igor.
4.07.2000 at 12:39 Igor Zhadinets wrote to Felix Knajzev:
IZ> P.S. No one has adjusted the drive using SPECCY at home
IZ>, otherwise it’s hard to read the last tracks?
Adjusted, and not alone...
Bye, Yuri.
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Wed Jun 28 2000 12:59, Igor Zhadinets wrote to All:
IZ> Hello, All!
IZ> Maybe someone has rebuilt Subj to read DD/DS disks? Tell us how
IZ> to achieve normal operation.
IZ> After moving the jumpers to the indicated position, it was possible to achieve
IZ> a disk rotation speed of ~300 rpm,
IZ> o
IZ> o o o o
IZ> |
IZ> o o o o
IZ> o o oh--o
IZ> but the disks are still not readable. I tried to connect 2nd contact to the common one -
IZ> no changes. Maybe somewhere else I need to hang the jumper?
IZ> I wish you good luck. Igor.
Sorry - I’m from the Internet...
I have a PDF for this device from the TIK site...
there’s a description of the jumps - you won’t find a more complete one...
what can I say - a watch is a watch :)
I’m not sure that my yuyuka will reach you
maybe you have a mailbox on the internet?
let me know with soap - I'll wash it...
posting in the echo is also not the point - I read through Fido-online, again from the Internet
Thank you for your attention, goodbye
Sincerely, Alexander aka ramzes
Snusmriks are creatures who do not want anything and do not burn in water and drown in fire
Try again with the second contact, it should help.
I have 149-U, but the board is the same. and 193 too lazy to get it out of the pussy.
All the best to you... Bye!
I recently did this, only on 720Kb FDD. Do you have a worm drive
heads in your subject?
IZ> at home, otherwise you can’t read the last tracks well?
Both your own and other people’s (discs)? Check the quality (strength) of the clamping mechanism. Clean the heads of the
subject thoroughly.
Once upon a time Tue 4 Jul 2000, Igor Zhadinets and Felix Knajzev were thinking on the topic:
TEAC FD-55GFR 193-U
[...]
IZ> P.S. No one has adjusted the drive using SPECCY at home, and
IZ> doesn't read the last tracks well?
well, I adjusted it :). I even wrote a program for these purposes...
For this Au Revoire, CompoWellcome. [Team GS]
In practice, it’s the other way around (specifically for subjects)
IZ> Reads disks at any logical level at this input.
Subject? I only have a Panasonic 1.2 as I read, the ticks are sabzhevy
only when the 2nd contact is nailed to ground.
All the best to you... Bye!
IZ> conditions, otherwise the last tracks are hard to read?
Connect headphones to the DATA output on the cable. Twist your heads until the signal becomes
as loud as possible. A floppy disk, of course you need a reference one. MAS did this, it seemed
okay.
WBR, Jason.
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VK> Connect headphones to the DATA output on the cable. Twist your heads until the
VK> signal becomes as loud as possible. A floppy disk, of course you need a reference one. MAS this way
It’s better with an oscilloscope - you can at the same time find out which track you’re on.
Bye, Yuri.
YT> Adjusted, and not alone...
Hy and...
You can’t share the technical process. You can go to soap if no one is interested here.
I wish you good luck. Igor.
FK> I recently did this, only on a 720Kb FDD.
Well, please tell me how you did it and what the results were.
FK> Do you have a worm drive in your subject? TEAC, or maybe
not. In general, I don’t remember :-(. Does this matter a lot?
IZ>> at home, otherwise he doesn’t read the last tracks well?
FK> Both his own and other people’s (discs)?
Those that are written on other drives. Yes, in principle, he did not read the entire disk the first time.
FK> Check the quality (strength) clamping mechanism.
I tried it, it didn’t help. But when you move the head a little with the handles, it reads.
FK> Clean the heads of the subject thoroughly.
What is the best way to wash them with alcohol?
I wish you good luck. Igor.
IZ> P.S. No one has adjusted the drive using SPECCY at home,
IZ> otherwise it doesn’t read the last tracks well?
There is such a program - USTIR. But, if you haven't done tuning before, then I don't recommend it. Many craftsmen, having seen how someone else sets it up,
try it themselves, and as a result - the upper head is torn off ;)
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Gee. The only time in my life when I cleaned the heads of _my_ flop
(regular 5313) was also the last, because after that the drive stopped
reading at all ;)
Well, never mind, I changed the heads, adjusted them - it still works :)
IZ>> general no changes. Maybe somewhere else you need to attach the jumper?
VK> Try again with the second contact, it should help.
It’s already working - the pressure spring just flew off the head. It does not depend on the level on
the second contact and the jumpers should be exactly as I
drew.
VK> pm me 149-U, but the board is the same. and I’m too lazy to take 193 out of the pisyuk
VK>.
I probably took your letter as a basis when I varied the jumpers.
Thanks for the advice.
I wish you good luck. Igor.
Once Tue 11 Jul 2000 at 18:51:54 there was a conflict
Dmitry Naboka and Igor Zhadinets were arguing on the topic TEAC FD-55GFR 193-U
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DN> There is such a program - USTIR. But, if you haven’t studied
^^^^^
what is the interface of your version of the program and if it’s not difficult, tell me who it’s from
With best wishes, Max Shashkin.
FK>> Clean the heads of the subject thoroughly.
DN> Gee. The only time in my life when I cleaned the heads of
DN> _my_ flop
DN> (the usual 5313) was also the last, because after that
DN> the drive stopped reading
DN> at all ;)
Well, this is probably about the question of the configuration of the hands and where they grow. ;) And
what did you clean it with? A very used cleaning floppy disk can bend the top head.
DN> Well, nothing, I changed the heads, adjusted them - it still works :)
IMHO the top head was torn off. It? Or he smeared the accumulated dirt.
IZ>>> P.S. No one has adjusted the drive using SPECCY in
FK>> I recently did this, only on a 720Kb FDD.
IZ> Well, please tell me how you did it and what
IZ> results.
The results are positive. Except for the fact that there was an attempt to make the head unit from the 360Kb only drive (two sides, 40 tracks per side,
_double_step_) work like 2x80. The heads for these formats have
design differences that I didn’t know about (reading 2x80 works flawlessly, write/format is a bummer). Everything was done on a Bulgarian-made FDD EC5323.01.
If problems with reading on foreign disks occur on _both_ heads, then you can
get by with adjusting only the stepper motor (SM). This is what I did.
Adjusting one head relative to another is no practice.
I used the following software:
1. DCU_v2.01
2. ADS_v2.00+
3. "Solonov" program for checking/adjusting flops
The most difficult thing, in my case, was adjusting the 0-track sensor. There are two settings:
move the sensor itself, use the adjusting screw (if any, it limits
the movement of the head block on the 0th track). What needs to be achieved:
1. With the LIST command, the directory should be displayed the first time without any problems.
2. Under step 1 there should be no cracking sound (the block of heads hits the limiter,
trying to go beyond the 0thtrack).
It is convenient to connect a voltmeter to the photodiode of the 0th track sensor and control
the moment of switching. Ideally, find a circuit in the drive circuit where there is a signal
"Photodiode->Schmitt trigger", i.e. remove the signal after the Schmitt trigger. At a
low level, the reading quality of track 0 can be checked in the above
software.
Adjustment step. engine. I _didn't_ use either headphones
for this (connected after amplifiers, technology a la *MAS*), or an oscilloscope (due to
absence).
1. I formatted a high-quality floppy disk on a more or less compatible disk drive.
2. Loosened the screws securing the motor to the frame (the motor can be moved with difficulty by hand).
3. Loaded FUT, ran 'Check disk'.
4. I move the motor with my hands in the direction of movement of the heads (and vice versa) until the test passes normally.
5. I tighten the screws a little.
6. I achieve the “golden mean” by moving the motor using the tip of a screwdriver
inserted between the motor and the frame (the screwdriver works as a lever).
7. After step 6 I finally tighten the screws.
That's it. If you have an oscilloscope, everything becomes much simpler.
FK> Well, this is probably about the question of the configuration of the hands and where they grow
FK>. ;) What did you use to clean it? A heavily used cleaning floppy disk may
FK> collapse the top head.
Nope. The floppy disk was just new. At the same time, together with it we cleaned
2 other floppers - everything was ok :( But... only the next day :)
FK>> smeared.
DN> Yes, I guess not. Everything looked ok. And there wasn’t much dirt there
DN> (strange as
DN> is :)
I can only assume that the dirt was smeared after all.
I had this happen once: I had to format a bunch of _heavily_ used
(downright dirty) and noname floppy disks. After some time, the drive
suddenly stopped working normally. There was no time for “manual” cleaning -
I used a floppy disk -> again it reads poorly. I made a hole in the h-disk for an index
-> marker and
cleaned the heads by issuing the 'list' command (to reposition the heads) in bare
TR-DOS (v5.03), while still working the drive door (on/off). Only in
this case everything was cleaned properly.
MS> what interface does your version of the program have and if it’s not difficult, tell me from
MS> who it is
The interface is just four inscriptions and an analyzer on half the screen. The author does not seem to be specified. In principle, I can throw it, it seems small.
Throw it to me, please.
DN> But, if you haven’t done the setup before, I don’t recommend it.
I tried once, but I didn’t achieve normal reading on the entire disk.
DN> Many craftsmen, having seen how someone else sets up, try it themselves, and
DN> as a result - severed upper head ;)
:-)
P.S. Thanks for the advice.
I wish you good luck. Igor.
VK> Subject ?
Exactly the subject, I can’t say anything about other teacs.
VK> I only have a Panasonic 1.2, so I read it, the ticks are the subject ones
VK> only when the 2nd contact is nailed to ground.
And I have another one rebuilt (I don’t remember the exact name), which
without a difference the level is on pin 2.
I wish you good luck. Igor.
FK>>> I recently did this, only on a 720Kb FDD.
...crunch, crunch...
Thanks for the technology.
One more question. 720kB teac suddenly stopped writing to one side. He reads
normally, but writes with only one head. Where can I look for a fault?
I wish you good luck. Igor.
FK> What did you impregnate the floppy disk with? I use 96% alcohol, if with a disk,
FK> “with my hands” - acetone.
The solution was included. I don’t know what.
FK> Both heads stopped working?
Uh-huh.
FK> I can only assume that the dirt was smeared.
[crunch-crunch]
FK> (on/off). Only in this case everything cleaned up normally.
Maybe. But since then I have never used a clean one. floppy disks -
and that’s ok :)
FK>> What did you impregnate the floppy disk with? I use 96% alcohol, if with a disk,
FK>> with my hands - acetone.
IZ> One more question. 720kB teac suddenly stopped writing to
IZ> one side. He reads normally, but writes with only one
IZ> head. Where can you look for a malfunction?
First, you need to ring the windings of the faulty head with an ohmmeter and compare it with
the readings of a known working one. Maybe there is a banal break somewhere (connector, wire, the windings themselves). Further - depending on the result.
IZ> I tried once, but I didn’t achieve normal reading on the entire disk.
Well, with this program and if you want, you can :)
IZ> P.S. Thanks for the advice.
You're always welcome ;)
MS>> hard to tell from
MS>> who she is
DN> The interface is just four inscriptions and an analyzer on the floor
DN> of the screen. Autop
DN> does not seem to be specified. In principle, I can throw it out, it’s small
DN> it seems.
There is also a similar program from Andrei Titov, it seems.
bye bye! Sweet dreams! - Mikhail aka MessiR.
[KAY-1024] [GS] [Radio "Retro" - 72.92 MHz]
MS>> what interface does your version of the program have and if not
MS>> it’s difficult to tell from
MS>> who it is
DN> The interface is just four inscriptions and an analyzer on the floor
DN> of the screen. Autop
DN> does not seem to be specified. In principle, I can throw it, it’s small
DN> it seems.
IZ>>> P.S. Has anyone adjusted the drive using SPECCY at home
IZ>>>, otherwise it doesn’t read the last tracks well?
MT> There is also a similar program from Andrey Titov, it seems.
I will also accept your program
With best wishes, Max Shashkin aka Shaitan/Stars of Keladan.
Once upon a time Sat 22 Jul 2000, Mikhail Terentyev and Max Shashkin were thinking on the topic:
TEAC FD-55GFR 193-U
DN>> The interface is just four inscriptions and an analyzer on the floor of the screen. Autop
DN>> does not seem to be specified. In principle, I can throw it, it seems small.
It happened on 28 Jul 00 11:47
FK> First, you need to ring the windings of the faulty head with an ohmmeter
By the way, how are they wound there, I mean the distribution
into sections (if they exist, of course), how much is the resistance
of a good one? heads. There are separate heads for recording/playback ;)
or does she do everything alone?
Denis
bye bye! Sweet dreams! - Mikhail aka MessiR.
[KAY-1024] [GS] [Radio "Retro" - 72.92 MHz]
bye bye! Sweet dreams! - Mikhail aka MessiR.
[KAY-1024] [GS] [Radio "Retro" - 72.92 MHz]
FK>> First, you need to ring the windings of the faulty
FK>> head with an ohmmeter. heads.
Make it simpler: compare the output resistance of a head that is known to be good and one
that is “in question.”
DR> There are heads divided into
DR> recording/playback ;)
DR> or does one do everything?
There are three heads. One is read-write. The winding of this head is made "with a tap from the middle." Each half has a resistance of ~15...25 Ohm. The other two (located on the sides of the rd/wr head) are heads for forming tunnel
erasure current.
The winding has (one winding per two heads) a resistance of ~ 0.5...2 Om'a. _All_
windings are connected in series.
------------
| (
| ( Ia (the first half of the read-write head winding)
| (
| ------------
| (
| ( Ib (the second half of the read-write head winding)
| (
| ------------
| (
| ( II (tunnel erase head winding)
------------
Once upon a time Sat 29 Jul 2000, Mikhail Terentyev and Nicolas Davidov were thinking on
the topic: TEAC FD-55GFR 193-U
MT>>> There is also a similar program from Andrey Titov, it seems.
ND> anyway, I haven’t seen anything cooler than my Master Disk :))))) throw it into the echo?
There is such a useful program as ADS 2.01i.
Bye!
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MT>> Of course, throw it!
ND> catch...
The program has a very promising menu. But except for ButterFly, all other
options are reset. Maybe there is a working one?
Cordially yours.
ES> The program has a very promising menu. But besides ButterFly, all other
ES> options are reset. Maybe there is a working one?
It is working, but it will work exclusively on TR-DOS 6.05E or on
those that have IN A,(#1F):RET in the firmware (I just don’t remember at what
address).
Long life and prosperity to you, Eugene!
Sincerely, Musa Khaybullin
MT>>>>> There is also a similar program from Andrey Titov, it seems.
ND>>>> anyway, I haven’t seen anything cooler than my Master Disk :))))) throw it into the echo?
MK> It’s working, but it will work exclusively on TR-DOS 6.05E
MK> or on those that have IN A,(#1F):RET in their firmware (but I don’t
MK> remember at what address).
Okay, but you can send the firmware. I want to see how emulators will work with it
(or not work:).
Cordially yours.
MK> It’s working, but it will work exclusively on TR-DOS 6.05E or
MK> on those that have IN A,(#1F):RET in the firmware (I just don’t remember at
MK> which address).
Hosspad... read through 0x2740, and intercept in 0x5cc2.
by the way, in my flop driver in general no reading 0x1f. :)
[ WBR, Oleg. ]
[ 01:10 3 August XXXV A.S. ]
But for some reason the read track doesn’t raise my number above 10, or just
me?
Well, bye! Tigrr from -■Brainwave^X-Project■-
Once upon a time Tue 1 Aug 2000, Eugene Sobolev and Nicolas Davidov thought on the topic:
Re: TEAC FD-55GFR 193-U
ND>> catch...
ES> The program has a very promising menu. But besides ButterFly, all others
Once upon a time, Mon Jul 31, 2000, Pawel Kislyak and All thought on the topic: TEAC
FD-55GFR 193-U
MT>>> There is also a similar program from Andrey Titov, it seems.
Dear Nicolas.
In a chit of 03 Jan 00 Nicolas Davidov wrote to me:
ES>> But except for ButterFly, all options are reset. Maybe there is a working one?
ND> yes. the one he threw. Install trdos from the tierline.
I don’t have this firmware (I said it twice).
If you send me the contents of your ROM, I’ll install it.
Cordially yours.
A long time ago Fri 4 Aug 2000, Eugene Sobolev and Nicolas Davidov thought on the topic:
Re: TEAC FD-55GFR 193-U
ES>>> But except for ButterFly, all options are reset. Maybe there is a working one?
ND> the contents of _my_ ROM are configured to work with 4MB, do you have them? ;))
I have 16 - but it *will* be off topic. How will I deal
with this firmware - *my* problems. Want. ;))
Cordially yours.
ES> I have 16 - but it *will* be off topic. And how am I going to figure it out? Exactly, you have them on the offtopic, and I’m talking about 4 MB on the echo tag. Do you have them?
;)
ES> with this firmware - *my* problems. Want. ;))
as soon as some moderator of this echo wakes up and gives permission for
posting - it will be.
aka:
2:5085/1.149
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