Rules for discussion
ZXNet echo conference «real.speccy»
I propose for discussion and revision of the conference rules. I took as a basis the rules of the previous moderator (from 2003). Dima Bystrov's comments
regarding the UUE code have already been included.
PS. REC application has already been submitted.
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│Rules of Echoconference REAL.SPECCY │
│ date of last edition 03.11.2005 │
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This echo conference was created for communication on the topic of the
ZX-Spectrum platform, primarily people who have access to Fido,
using real Spectrum-compatible computers (although, in principle,
anyone who will comply with these rules can participate in the correspondence).
1. It is prohibited to discuss others platforms (you can mention them
if it is related to the features of the software and hardware being discussed); also
it is prohibited to compare platforms with each other, as well as to criticize them [*].
Discussion of emulators is unacceptable, this is an echo for the _real_ Spectrum [*].
2. Clashes between different modifications of
Spectrum-compatible computers are extremely undesirable (please respect the creators and
users of all types of our beloved Specky) [*].
3. Excessive quoting is punished (more than 70%) [*], try
to leave those phrases that youto your opinion you give an answer or
comment.
4. A little advertising is allowed, a forward from other interesting, in
your opinion, information.
5. Files placed in the echo conference must be only in
UUE encoding and meet the standards of one of the following categories:
a) standard Spectrum file in Hobeta format (*.$*);
b) text file in 866 GOST encoding (alternative) (*.txt);
c) ROM firmware files in binary code (*.bin);
d) disk images of the Shalaev emulator (*.trd);
e) raster graphic files (*.pcx, *.bmp, *.jpg);
f) file or group of files, in scl format (*.scl).
Before posting, the above files must be
packed with Spectrum ZIP (*.$z) or a similar archiver on
PC (*.zip or *.rar - with a 64K dictionary), the archive must
have a description of the contents in a text file (it is advisable that
this file have the standard name file_id.diz, descript.ion or read_me).
Please do not send to the echo conference files that have
in their name characters that contradict the operating system standards
IS-DOS, MS-DOS (.+,"=, etc.)
It is allowed to post UUE-encoded files in the amount of no more than
64K per day. For posting files over 256K you need permission
Moderator (for permission, contact via Netmail).
The UUE section is notmust exceed 100-120 lines!
6. Personal correspondence is prohibited! [*]
7. Communication with the Moderator/Commodator only in netmail, send all complaints there too. Unauthorized moderation is punishable [+].
8. “Hacker” conversations (about hacking programs,
disrespect for copyright, etc.) are strictly prohibited [+]. It is also unacceptable to post hacked author's (officially distributed) works in the echo - such an action will be punished with all severity!
9. As in ZX.SPECTRUM - the use of pseudonyms
in the From/To field is not allowed (let's not start a kindergarten, from "cool hackers"
it's already a dazzle in the eyes). The exception is Moderator/CoModerator :).
10. Language of communication - Russian, Ukrainian, English. Try not to complicate the lives of others, write more clearly, if possible competently, correct the mistakes of others correctly and, if possible, by netmail.
11. The moderator is responsible for the conference; comoderators are appointed by the moderator as needed (if
it arises). The echo conference rules are published every two weeks. In the event of a moderator's disappearance for a period exceeding two
months, conference participants have the right to submit an application to the REC requesting
the election of a new moderator. If the current moderator cannot be contacted, the new moderatoris assigned based on the results of
voting of the participants of the echo conference.
12. The echo conference is available for gatening to all networks of the FTN standard,
Gate systems _must_ ensure the correct content of the fields
"From:","To:" in accordance with the standards of the _FidoNet_ network.
13. Penalties standard:
[*] - warning;
[*] [*] [*] = [+] - transfer to Ridonli for a month;
[+] [+] [+] = [!] - disconnection from echo for a long period! :( .
Amnesty is provided only for very major holidays ;).
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Moderator of Ru.Baika, Moderator of Ru.Etymology, CoModerator of Ru.Masyanya
FIDO: 2:5030/1512 ZXNET: 500:812/19 E-mail: veg...@mail.ru ICQ: 144932679
03 Nov 05 22:27, Vlad Sotnikov -> All:
VS> I propose the conference rules for discussion and revision. I took as a basis
VS> the rules of the previous moderator (from 2003).
VS> Please do not send to the echo conference files that have in
VS> their names symbols that contradict the standards of operating systems
VS> IS-DOS, MS-DOS (.+,"=, etc.)
, having “long” names (not corresponding to the “8.3” standard), as well as
having symbols of national alphabets in their names.
(Formulate “competently” ;-) ).
VS> 9. As in ZX.SPECTRUM -
You need to remove this phrase. Otherwise, it turns out that the conference indirectly depends
on ZX.SPECTRUM and is subordinate to it.
VS> (let's not start a kindergarten, from "cool hackers"
VS> already dazzles in the eyes).
This explanation is no longer relevant :), everyone has grown up long ago.
You can leave the beginning of the phrase and its end:
VS> The exception is Moderator/CoModerator :).
VS> 10. Language of communication - Russian, Ukrainian, English.
:-), this is a direct legacy of the Ukrainian moderator :) We need to think about how not to offend, for example, Belarusians, and at the same time not incite ethnic hatred. Maybe write: “The language of communication is predominantly Russian;
use is allowed.English and other languages, if the sender
is firmly confident that his messages will be understandable to the participants and
moderating staff of the conference and will not cause conflicts in the software."
This is offhand. We have to think.
VS> correct the mistakes of others correctly and, if possible, by netmail.
I think we should remove "if possible." - netmail" (c) ? :)
VS> (will
VS> one arise).
:), again the legacy of the Ukrainian moderator :) .
With the best - Wlodek # wlblack(@)newmail.ru # http://wlodeks.narod.ru
[ZX] [500:95/462@ZXNet] [2:5016 Forever] [Golyanovo] [Old Russians]
WB> :-), this is a direct legacy of the Ukrainian moderator :) . We need
WB> to think about how not to offend, for example, Belarusians, and at the same time not
WB> to incite ethnic hatred. Maybe write: “The language
WB> of communication is predominantly Russian; the use
WB> of English and other languages is allowed if the sender is firmly convinced
WB> that his messages will be understandable to the participants and moderating staff
WB> of the conference and will not cause conflicts in the software.”
WB> This is offhand. You have to think.
You don’t have to think anything. If someone writes a letter, say, in Icelandic, then no one will understand it and that’s it. And in Russian, accordingly, the majority
will understand. Those. such a ban does not solve any problems, well, except perhaps
the task of giving the moderator the opportunity to have fun once again with [+] and so on.
And software problems, sorry, should in no case become problems
for everyone. Whoever has crooked software - let him have problems from it himself!
Bye...
In a message of 03 Nov 05 Vlad Sotnikov wrote to All:
VS> 1. It is prohibited to discuss other platforms (you can mention them
VS> if this is related to the features of the software and hard drive being discussed); also
VS> it is prohibited to compare platforms with each other, as well as to criticize them [*].
VS> Discussion of emulators is unacceptable, this echo is for the _real_ Spectrum
VS> [*].
I propose to immediately prohibit writing in the echo not from real life, as well as to those who have
email and who use the Internet. For here, just let there be realists without internet, whose all aspirations relate to specs! =)
VS> We kindly ask you not to send files to the echo conference that have symbols in
VS> in their names that contradict the operating system standards
VS> IS-DOS, MS-DOS (.+,"=, etc.)
Announce the standards for us, the orphans and the poor, who long ago forgot
horrors 8+3 and other long~1 names! =))
VS> It is allowed to post files in UUE encoding in the amount of no more than
VS> 64K per day. To post files over 256K you need the permission of the
VS> Moderator (for permission, contact via Netmail).
Exceeded by 1 byte - and that’s it, [!]. to
several SCLs and post them separately. This will not reduce the traffic in the echo,
but people will have more problems (at the mercy of the moderators) (gluing it all together
into 1 TRD).
VS> 6. Personal correspondence is prohibited! [*]
Please give me the definition of personal correspondence. So as not to inadvertently violate.
VS> 8. “Hacker” conversations (about hacking programs,
VS> disrespect for copyright, etc.) are strictly prohibited [+]. It is also unacceptable to post in the echo
VS> hacked author's (officially distributed) works - such
VS> action will be punished with all severity!
That is, conversations, for example, about fixing bugs in bourgeois games or about
restoring a program from a protected half-dead disk (not readable, say
protection) - are prohibited?
VS> 9. How and in ZX.SPECTRUM - the use of pseudonyms
VS> in the From/To field is not allowed (let's not separate the kindergarten from the "cool hackers"
VS>> do not complicate the lives of others, write more clearly, if possible
VS>> competently, correct the mistakes of others correctly and, if possible,
VS>> netmail.
VA> UKRAINIAN? Why, say, not Arabic or not Chinese?
Legacy of a Ukrainian moderator :) I will indicate in the rules the option proposed by
Wlodek.
VA> If a person wrote an obvious gon (for example, he gave a diagram of a curve, which
VA> will burn the entire spec for the one who collected it), then correct it with netmail? So that,
VA> God forbid, no one finds out that he posted the rut?
The point is not in the rut and not in the given diagrams. Again, this line in the rules is a warning against provocation. I remember as soon as
ZXNET appeared, it allowed communication in Russian and English
languages according to the fidosh standard. I (a philology student) was delighted and wrote a huge letter in English
with very specific questions. The conference participants were 15-17 years old at that time.
Naturally, no one understood anything. But the English language was removed from the rules :)))
What prevents you from writing a letter to someone in Esperanto if the languages are not stipulated in the rules? We're not having a linguistic conference, are we?
WB> :-), this is a direct legacy of the Ukrainian moderator :) . We need to think
WB> how not to offend, for example, Belarusians, and at the same time not incite
WB> interethnic hatred. Maybe write: “The language of communication is
WB> predominantly Russian; the use of English and
WB> other languages is allowed if the sender is firmly convinced that his messages will be
WB> understandable to the participants and moderating staff of the conference and will not cause
WB> conflicts in the software.” This is off the top of my head. Need to think.
Replaced.
04 Nov 05 13:28, Vadik Akimoff -> Wladimir Bulchukey:
VA> If someone writes a letter, say, in
VA> Icelandic, then no one will understand it and that’s all. And in Russian - accordingly,
VA> the majority will understand. Those. such a ban does not solve any problems, well, except
VA> perhaps the task of giving the moderator the opportunity to have fun once again with [+]
VA> and so on.
In ZX.SPECTRUM several years ago there was already a precedent when someone wrote
in English and, as it turned out, called everyone p*ss*rs. This only became clear
when Vsevolod Potapov (Random) saw these messages and translated them for everyone.
Only then the moderator was able to come to his senses.
VA> And software problems, sorry, should in no case become
VA> problems for everyone. Whoever has crooked software - let him have problems from this HIMSELF!
Not crooked, but the lack of a set of characters of a specific national alphabet
(the well-known problem of umlauts, usually called “krakozyabrs”).
2Vlad: please, think, if you don’t mind, about the correct wording of this
point.
In a message of 04 Nov 05 Vlad Sotnikov wrote to me:
VS> It seems to me that this is unnecessary. Echo for users of the real
VS> Spectrum, but these
VS> people, as a rule, enter FIDO with PC. The ideology is to prevent echo
VS> from blooming
VS> with conversations on the topic “which format - scl or trd is more convenient.” For real life, this
VS> is really of little relevance.
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VS> You know, using the real Spectrum, these standards are very
VS> relevant.
So we write to Fido from PC or from real life, right? =) For PC this is not relevant.
VS> Naturally, this is very conditional. Theoretically, actions should be punished when a very large file is “hidden”. On the other
VS> hand, prescribing a restriction in the rules with a sufficiently large
VS> size can become a reason for provocation.
I don’t understand, even if they post gigabytes, there is a limit of 64kb per day?
What’s the problem? Why create unnecessary problems for those who, for example,
would like to post a jam-packed traffic jam? After all, he will shift the problems onto others, breaking him into squabbles. As a result, we have that under
the slogan of protection from mythical provocations, problems are created for the wrong reasons.
VA>> YOURSELF!
WB> Not a curve, but the absence of a set of characters of a specific national
WB> alphabet (the well-known problem of umlauts, usually called
WB> "krakozyabrs").
What is the problem? You write in umlauts, knowing that they will read it in 866 encoding.
Accordingly, if they don’t understand you, or don’t understand where the umlauts are, that’s your
problem.
WB> 2Vlad: please, think, if you don’t mind, about the competent wording
WB> of this point.
Give me bureaucracy! So as not to dig in!
Bye...
03 Nov at 22:27, Vlad Sotnikov wrote to All:
VS> I propose for discussion and revision of the conference rules. I took as a basis
VS> the rules of the previous moderator (from 2003). Comments
VS> Dima Bystrov regarding the UUE code have already been made.
VS> PS. REC application has already been submitted.
Withdraw.
Au revoir.
Tim Kelly [Team Kelly] [ZX]
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Moderator of Ru.Baika, Moderator of Ru.Etymology, CoModerator of Ru.Information
FIDO: 2:5030/1512 ZXNET: 500:812/19 Email: veg...@mail.ru ICQ: 144932679
Au revoir.
Tim Kelly [Team Kelly] [ZX]
... np: silence