Project PENTAGON-1024 SL

AR>>>> Spectrumists in recent years have encountered many problems when
AR>>>> writing new software.
KF>>> Indeed. There is no one to write to.
AR>> If a normal spec appears, there will be those who will write.
CR> Sprinter-2000, ATM2+, will the subject suit you?

No. There are a lot of problems with them, from the banal “availability and support”
to the fact that it’s simply “NOT THIS” that people want.

AR>>>> Most of the problems are related to the fact that the new software requires more
AR>>>> powerful hardware than zx has.
KF>>> This has been discussed for 12 years already...
AR>> So?
CR> Sprinter-2000, ATM2+, subject again!

Again, “NOT THIS.” What the Spectrum market wants needs to be further explored
by, for example, organizing a source forge documentation project with the involvement of
everyone interested.

AR>> Answer question: which of the ISA devices will Spectrum never need under any
AR>> under what conditions and why? Why do you need this list? As for me, all ISA
AR>> cards are potentially needed for ZX.
CR> ISA-8 is implemented in Sprinter-2000.
CR> ISA-16 will not be implemented on the spec for objective reasons
CR> spec-8bit!=ISA-16bit.

The question here is not in the bits, but in the fact that there are now no prerequisites for the emergence of a
full-fledged16bit controller for ZX.

CR> A question immediately arises for a lover of “advanced” specs:
CR> Do you use a real Spec?

I still have a broken Leningrad-48 without a beta disk. But if I had the same sprinter I would have used it.

Regards.

AR> I still have a broken Leningrad-48 without a beta disk. But if there was
AR> I would have used the same sprinter.
And if grandma had balls, she would be called grandpa :-)

In short, don’t take this as an attack, but as a friendly cartoon. Just look at things realistically. Manufacturers are not interested in doing something if no one buys (we don’t produce for profit, anyone can calculate how much it costs to produce and I think the price will be even more expensive than ours :-). An emulator can no longer be called a spektrumist, he is already an emulator and supports the
platform on which the emulator runs. But thank God there are people who
work and who understand the problems and write programs specifically for the spec, and not
for the emulator (Dima Bystrov, Evgeniy Ilyasov, ...), here they are real
Spectrumists with a capital S.

AR> Regards.
Success.

ATM2+ user, Sprinter-2K. NedoPC group. http://chunin.infpres.com

CR> And for example, I know very well what Spectrumists want - it’s a fancy one, with
CR> gigatons of memory and drop-dead performance Spectrum for a bottle of
CR> beer. Nemo closed and NedoPS decided to produce Spectrums and what we see.

I agree with you. In order for the iron spec to come to life, an outstanding design is needed and
attracting spektrumists from all over the world and not from the eh type of real.speccy and
zx.spectrum which no one reads beyond the former scoop. Open a
documentation project on source forge or start advertising on your WEB - the
more people know about it, the greater the likelihood of success.

CR> Only four people ordered the ATM Turbo - and two from the states (USA).

This once again confirms that you need to work not only in Russia but all over the
world.

CR> Gentlemen, let's honestly admit, basically no one needs spec,
CR> so
CR> to chat "purely" about how cool the spektrumists are all here. Now I Hemo
CR> by the way, I understand very well, although I don’t share his point of view.

It’s not true, look at USENET - many people are interested in 8-bit hardware.

CR> What kind of “people need” spec can we talk about if a model with mega
CR> memory,
CR> with all sorts of bells and whistles (IDE, RS232, AT keyboard controller, printer
CR> port...)
CR> turns out to be unnecessary (althoughsold almost at cost).
CR> By the way, the Peters closed the Sprinter project precisely because sales in Russia
CR> there were, believe it or not, only 15 units in three years.

This only means that these models are “not needed by people” - the conclusion needs to be found out
why are they unnecessary? What doesn't suit them? What needs to be done to become
interested and buy... There is a boom in the West for projects like
Commodore_ONE. Is it just like that?

CR>> is needed, so we can chat “purely” about how cool spektrumists everyone is here.
CR>> Now, by the way, I understand Nemo very well, although I don’t share his point of view
CR>>.
AR> It’s not true, look at USENET - a lot of people are interested in 8-bit hardware.
Promising does not mean getting married, and being interested does not mean buying :-). Sorry about the ATM again - let's compare the table of people who want to buy, which Max compiled, and the table of those who have actually already paid and will receive a car by the end of next week, there are only two matches. The question is, where did the rest
“interested” go :-).

AR> This only means that these models are “not needed by people” - the conclusion needs to be
AR> to find out why they are unnecessary? What doesn't suit them? What needs to be done so that
AR> people become interested and buy... There is a boom in the West for projects like
AR> like Commodore_ONE. Is it just like that?
The psychology of a Russian and a bourgeois differs significantly. The bourgeois just buys,
and ours “blah yes, it doesn’t have a slot”, “blah yes the processor is not a Z80 but a 1858vm3”, “fuck yes
the board is not covered with a mask”, “but it’s so expensive” “nope I won’t buy it, I’ll buy a crappy Pentium for
150 rubles” :-)
And all sorts of UNO commodores are no match for Sprinter, The sprinter could potentially work like any car fromZX park (though so far only four firmwares have been implemented: Pentagon, Scorpio, Pro and Kai). And at the same time, it included everything that the Spectrum could (IDE, clock, turbocharged flop, 21 MHz Z80, AT keys and mouse,
even ISA) and, mind you, it was cheaper than KAI-1024 (according to Nemo’s price list). Toko turned out to be "unnecessary to the people" :-). Maybe it's the people, and not the Sprinter :-)

AR> Again, I repeat, happiness is not in bits and megahertz. There is no need to argue with me here now
AR> and prove that “the ISA16 bus is impossible on an 8-bit computer.” Or
AR> say that no ISA devices are needed for the spec. Any bus is possible on
AR> any computer. And let the spektrumists themselves decide which devices are needed
AR> each for himself. A striking example of development is the Acorn BBC model B, a popular
AR> computer in England that survived speckies from English schools at one time.
I'm not arguing about the technical feasibility, I'm saying that specking is fundamentally ISA
unnecessary. It is clear that it is much more pleasant for the Russian consumer to use trashy pisyukan cards than to support the development of hardware intended specifically for spec. No, of course there are unified IDE things, floppy and the like. But why would I speculate, for example, a sound card from a PC - it would be better to let it be
the development inherent in the GS ideas. After all, by hanging hardware from someone else's conceptual machine, we will eventually come to a parody of this machine, and fromthere will be nothing left of Spectrum.

AR> Yes, you will succeed, you just need to really assess the potential of the Internet and
AR> take into account the desire of Spectrumists in the world.
Yes, of course, in principle we are already going to focus more on the bourgeois
market. While Spectrum projects are unprofitable, we make money completely on unrelated projects.

Sprinter user, ATM-2. NedoPC group. Website:http://chunin.infpres.com

October 29, 2004 12:14, Andrey Romanenko -> Chunin Roman:

AR> This is not true, look at USENET - many people are interested in 8-bit
AR> hardware.

Practical desire, radio electronics classes, students and others like them. A healthy guy teaching in Massachusetts will not
do this - he has already gone through this and (possibly) recommends
students. Just as I, and many before me, recommended to students.

AR> This only means that these models are “not needed by people” - the conclusion needs to
AR> find out why they are unnecessary? What doesn't suit them? What needs to be done so that
AR> people become interested and buy... There is a boom in the West of such
AR> projects like Commodore_ONE. Is it just like that?

This is an opportunity to use all the software available for 8-bit in one
box. At the level of dandy and cartridges. This may be popular
among me and others like me. It has nothing to do with reality.

AR> You yourself understand that the emulsion is not an iron sinter at all. There will always be those who
AR> will choose a normal woman and not a rubber woman.

A Spectrum created in the Soviet Union for objective reasons cannot
be called a Spectrum. This is a hardware emulator. Just like
Commodore ONE, for example. Most healthy people do not
see the difference between hardware and software emulation,
moreover, they consider the latterpreferable.

AR> Yes, you will succeed, you just need to realistically assess the potential
AR> Internet and take into account the desire of spektrumists in the world.

The potential is negligible and negligible. Read at least the history of
dot com. If you can oppose anything to the multibillion-dollar
investments of American corporations in this story or (at least) earn
your 99 kopecks on the Internet, you are welcome. Everyone will listen to you carefully.
In the meantime, you look like that sucker who doesn’t believe that he was fooled and
is trying to do something to counter it.

... aGGreSSor^tPA (http://amitrans.narod.ru)