Postal package for Profi/CPM

Are there people here who use (have used) the subject?
Terminal tm.com ... etc.
I wonder if there are drivers in nature that support connecting
internal modem according to the Kondratiev scheme, for this software?

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OP> Are there people here who use (used) the subject?
OP> Terminal tm.com ... etc.
OP> I wonder if there are drivers in nature that support connection
OP> of an internal modem according to the Kondratiev scheme, for this software?

IMHO if you connect this modem there, then you will have a terrible conflict
devices, which will manifest itself more strongly the more devices you have
(a hard drive and a serial port will be enough for the full
program). In CP/M, after all, the entire address space of the ports is completely clogged.

Bye, with a bunch of vicious words, Pavel Fedin.

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OP>> software?

PF> IMHO if you connect this modem there, then you
PF> will have a terrible conflict
PF> of devices, which will manifest itself the stronger the
PF> more devices
PF> you have (a hard drive and a serial port will be enough for the full
PF> program). In CP/M, after all, the entire address space of ports
PF> is completely clogged.

Well, the modem is already connected according to this scheme :)
As far as I understand, according to the Kondratieff scheme, decryption of internal ports
occurs using one address signal A4.
You are right, a conflict does occur, and the first way it is expressed is
when you try to load HopCommander V2.04 (Profi just hangs), and CopyK
works without problems.
I had such problems even before connecting the screw...
Therefore, I hastily installed a toggle switch that disconnects A4 from the
Kondratieff controller board, removing all the glitches when working in CP/M. =)
It seems that when decrypting internal ports, Profi - A4 is not analyzed.
In this case, the diagram published in Oberon #4 by Zhenya Milun should help, namely
we are talking about the IORQGE signal.
I can’t guarantee it, everyone can’t get around to checking it, but there is a chance. :)

P.S. But the hope of using this scheme for connecting a modem with
terminal under CP/M still glimmers :)
2All: In vain?
P.P.S. Secretly, at the moment there is an activetesting the new version of
S-Terminal (Evgeny Milun/SoK), so its appearance in the echo is not imminent ;)

├─┤asta la vista !!!

OP> You are right, there really is a conflict, and the first way it
OP> is expressed is
OP> when trying to load HopCommander V2.04 (Profi just hangs),
OP> and CopyK works without problems.
OP> Such problems arose for me even before connecting the screw...
OP> Therefore, I quickly installed a toggle switch that disconnects A4 from the
OP> Kondratieff controller board, removing all the glitches when working in CP/M. =)
OP> It seems that when decrypting internal ports Profi - A4 is not
OP> analyzed.

No, everything is much more neglected there. Now I don’t remember the complete scheme for decrypting ports; at one time I compiled it. I have it on my Spectrum disk, and my Spectrum is resting in some warehouse (how it got there is a different story), Therefore, I can’t throw it there. I will only say that all the bits possible are analyzed there. The problem is how. And
there are a bunch of addresses with A0=4. I also dealt with this problem at one time and found another solution. Actually, the Pro scheme provides
blocking OUTIORQ if at least one of its additional devices is selected,
but for some reason it does not work. Why - I only have a suspicion
that the prohibition signal takes too long to form, and
some partOUTIORQ manages to get through this time. In the Profi v5.0 diagram
see element DD19 of the upper board, and the CSAP6 signal, which should
block OUTIORQ. I solved this problem this way: additional devices
work only when the #DFFD port bit is set to 1-5. Hence the task:
to block OUTIORQ when it is set to 1. This is done using
a single OR element, to which the signal
OUTIORQ itself is supplied, as well as the signal from the 7th leg of the DD46 chip (for version 5), which
is the fifth bit. If you don’t have a computer circuit or want to solder something to
the motherboard, then the inverted fifth bit of the above-mentioned port
can be removed from the B30 leg of the system connector (CP/M signal).

OP> In this case, the circuit published in Oberon#4 by Zhenya
OP> Milun should help, and
OP> we are talking about the IORQGE signal.
OP> No guarantee I can, I can’t get around to checking, but there is a chance. :)

Then, in theory, your professional bells and whistles will stop working. IORQGE
will block the arrival of IORQ immediately after the device is triggered. And then what should the lickers do? They simply won’t have time to work - the address decoder is very bulky and slow (lots of logic + ROM).

OP> P.S. But the hope of using this scheme for connecting a modem with
OP> a terminal under CP/M still glimmers :)

In general, if you write a driver and changeport address so that there are no conflicts (you can choose one of #F7, #DB, #D7, #BB, #B7, #9B, #97, #7F, #77,
#6F, #5F. However, keep in mind that #FB and #7B are occupied in other models under
ZX-Lprint, my ROM emulator hangs on port #F7, plus you need to check other
addresses for conflicts with anything known.

P.S. If I manage to rescue Speck, I’ll post all the
information I have.

OP>>> Are there people here who use (have used) the subject?
OP>>> Terminal tm.com ... etc.
OP>>> I wonder if they exist in nature drivers
OP>>> supporting connection
OP>>> of an internal modem according to the Kondratiev scheme, for this
OP>>> software?

Thursday November 19 1998 20:55, Oleg Pritula ─── Pavel Fedin:

OP> P.P.S. In secret, at the moment there is active testing of the new version of
OP> S-Terminal (Evgeny Milun/SoK), so its appearance in the echo is not imminent
OP> ;)
Not far off, but, unfortunately, not “right now”. :((

Good luck ! Evgeny.

■ Night is shorter than day... The day will kill me... The world of illusions burns down in it. (C) Aria.

OP>> I can’t guarantee it, everyone can’t get around to checking it, but there’s a chance. :)

PF> Then, in theory, your professional bells and whistles will stop working. IORQGE
PF> will block the arrival of IORQ immediately after the device is triggered. And how
PF> then be the prickers? They simply won’t have time to work -
PF> the address decoder is very bulky and slow (lots of logic + ROM).
Eh, no. Nothing should be buggy. Why on earth? Let's figure it out on our fingers.
What is the IORQGE signal used for? For blocking internal ports and resolving just such conflicts. The device activates this signal only in one case - when it “sensed” an appeal to itself! And since the computer climbs into the ports of this device... then it should not give a damn about the availability/inaccessibility of internal ports. If everything is not so in Profi... Well, you can
only sympathize.

OP>> P.S. But there is hope for using this modem connection scheme with

A quick question. :) Is it possible in your terminal, while downloading mail, to pass a mail package (file) as you can in T-Mail? Otherwise there is no need to download emuli
to Speccy. :) And the subject would come out as soon as possible, otherwise I’m already running out of points. :)

One more question. Downloading means a mail package, ~180 kb in size, there is a connection break, after the second call the package should start downloading from the interrupted position, we have finished downloading. Now let's look at what files appeared on our disk:
After the connection was lost
name.0o0 ~64 kb
name.1o0 ~20 kb
After downloading the entire package
name.0o0 ~64 kb
name.1o0 ~20 kb
name 0o0 ~30 kb
name 2o0 ~40 kb
So here's the question: how to unpack it? Not unpacked.:(

_Everything from the words of the point_ !!! If something is wrong, then don’t be alarmed.
With respect SP/PoS.

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Once on 24 Nov 98 at 14:43:52 there was a conflict
Konstantin Samoylov and Evgeny Milun were arguing on the topic of Mail package for Profi/CPM
I decided to continue this dialogue:

KS> Question for filling. :) Is it possible in your terminal, while downloading
KS> mail,
KS> to skip a mail package (file) as you can in T-Mail? Otherwise there is no need
KS> emyli
KS> to pump out to Speccy. :) And the subject would come out sooner, otherwise I’ve been waiting for my points for a long time. :)
And what does Evgeniy write about professional soap writers these days?

KS> One more question. Downloading means a mail package, ~180 kb in size,
KS> there is a
KS> connection break, after the second call the package should start downloading from
KS> the interrupted
KS> position, we have finished downloading. Now let's look at what files appeared on our disk:
KS> After the connection was lost
KS> name.0o0 ~64 kb
KS> name.1o0 ~20 kb

KS> After downloading the entire package
KS> name.0o0 ~64 kb
KS> name.1o0 ~20 kb
KS> name 0o0 ~30 kb
KS> name 2o0 ~40 kb
And we have 154 instead of 180!!!!

KS> So here’s the question: how to unpack it? It doesn’t unpack.:(
For my unzip you need this:
name.0o0
name.0o0
name.1o0
name.2o0

But this situation is not entirely standard because the first file has a number in the first
extension character, although it should work.

I was with youAndrey.

KS> I've been waiting for my points yzho
KS>. :)

The main programs for working with mail today
are:
tm.com + emsi.ptc - terminal and transmission protocol. This
bundle provides network and transport
level protocols, i.e. allows two network nodes to connect,
perform mutual identification, and send each other
some information in the form of files.
pkt.com + msged.com + pstrip.com - processing program
incoming/outgoing mail, editor forreading/writing
letters, a utility for working with letter databases. This bundle
processes mail received by the node in the form of files
and packs information to be sent into files.
lzh.com - used to unzip received files.

An essential condition for the operation of this package is the presence of _external_ momeda
:((

Tuesday November 24 1998 14:43, Konstantin Samoylov ─── Evgeny Milun:

KS> Question for filling. :) Is it possible in your terminal, while downloading
KS> mail, to pass a mail package (file) as you can in T-Mail?
Uh-oh... Yes, actually, I have a terminal, not a soaper. :) But, in any
case, in the new version of the ZModem protocol you can implement something like this.

KS> Otherwise
KS> there is no need to download emyles to Speccy. :) And the subject would come out sooner, otherwise y
KS> I’ve been waiting for points. :)
It will come out, it will come out. :) I have catastrophically little time.

KS> One more question. Downloading means a mail package, ~180 kb in size,
KS> the connection is broken, after the second call the package should start
KS> downloading from the interrupted position, downloaded again. Now let's look at what files we
KS> appeared on the disk: After the connection was interrupted name.0o0 ~64
KS> kb name.1o0 ~20 kb After downloading the entire package name.0o0 ~64
KS> kb name.1o0 ~20 kb name 0o0 ~30 kb name 2o0 ~40 kb So here we go question:
KS> how to unpack it? It does not unpack.:(
Eeeee... IMHO, you made a mistake. You are talking about Melon, and not about my
S-Terminal.
But, in any case, nothing like that is possible for me - when downloading a
file with ZModem, if the connection is lost, the amount will be written to the disk.downloaded.
When the connection is restored and the download is successful, a new file will not be created, but an existing one will be
updated. Those. for example, before the crash they downloaded 20Kb, after
restoring another 30Kb. There will be not two files on the disk, but one - 50Kb.
(Actually this part - Download - is already ready and is being tested. :)) )

KS>> downloading mail,
KS>> skip a mail package (file) as is possible in T-Mail?

OP> Looks like you got the address “a little” wrong.
Again!!! :(

OP> If we are talking about Melon with a built-in soaper, then it has nothing in common
OP>
OP> with Evgeny M_i_lun's S-Terminal.
OP> If you are talking about the subject, then:
Ok, noted.

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OP> An indispensable condition for the operation of this package is the presence of
OP> _external_
OP> momeda :((
Where else can I get it. :(

AI> For my anzip you need this:
AI> name.0o0
AI> name.0o0
AI> name.1o0
AI> name.2o0
And they just took and glued 20 and 30 kb, then it was unpacked.

With respect SP/PoS.

OP>> *.2*, and
OP>> etc...
KS> This was all cured by gluing together 2 packages 1o0 and 0o0. Maybe
KS> melon is not fresh?
KS> Like 1.80s. Unfortunately, there is no newer one.

No, 1.80s seems to be the last one...
True, I’ve heard a lot here that there is also version 1.80+, which supposedly fixed
some kind of global glitch, but I haven’t seen it anywhere yet...
2All: If anyone has this version, and it’s worth it, then maybe someone can throw it in
echo?

OP> No, 1.80s seems to be the last...
OP> True, I’ve heard a lot here that there is also version 1.80+, where some kind of global glitch is supposedly fixed
OP>, but I haven’t seen it anywhere yet...
And you won’t see it :) Denis forbade it from being built :(

OP> 2All: If anyone has this version, and it’s worth it, then maybe will someone
OP> send it to
OP> echo?
The glitch with sending files has been fixed, when the sending window was redrawn
several times and after the connection was broken the entire keyboard layout was spoiled.

Andrey was with you.

EM> What’s stopping you from making a scheme like in Scorpio? Only
EM> one
EM> resistor is soldered and the whole “telemarket”.

The fact is that when it is necessary to select the internal device, the
external one will also be selected, and will block the internal one.

EM> Eh, no. Nothing should be buggy. Why on earth? Let's look at it on
EM> fingers.
EM> What is the IORQGE signal used for? To block internal ports and
EM> resolve just such conflicts. The device activates this signal
EM> only in one
EM> case - when it “sensed” an appeal to itself! And since the computer
EM> climbs
EM> into the ports of this device... then it should not give a damn about the availability/inaccessibility of
EM> internal
EM> ports. If everything is not so in Profi... Well,
EM> you can only sympathize.

This is NOT IORQGE. Everything is really different there and everything is crooked. There, absolutely all
devices are suspended on IORQ, and the decoding of their addresses (except for #FE and
#xxFD) is carried out by a circuit assembled on ROM and even additional logic. In addition to the address bus, this circuit also contains computer mode signals
(activity of the TR-DOS controller, that same bit of the #DFFD port, compatibility latch button, etc.). This circuit has 5 outputs, eachwhich
goes to select a specific device. These same outputs are collected through AND-HE, and
what happened (in the circuit it is called CSAP6), when mixed with IORQ through
OR gives OUTIORQ. It seems that CSAP6 is seriously delayed relative to IORQ, as a result of which, even when one of the devices is activated, the OUTIORQ output still manages to pass a pulse sufficient to activate the conflicting device hanging on it.

EM> Wait, are you saying that the #EF port is already busy? Those. its
EM> more
EM> full decryption will not give anything? Then, indeed, there is a problem...

Yes. This is one of the VI53 timer ports. This is the address.

OP> is it in the echo?

It’s not worth it. Don’t give up.
patience, and again patience (c) folk ...ai wisdom ;)

With the best, Denis Dmitriev.

... I’ll buy a moonshine still. intermediary phone number 02.

KS>>> This was all cured by gluing together 2 packages 1o0 and 0o0. Maybe
KS>>> melon is not fresh?
KS>>> Like 1.80s. Newer, unfortunately, no.
OP>> No, 1.80s seems to be the last one...