ðÒÏÅËÔ PENTAGON-1024 SL

On Wed, 02 Jun 04 10:00:48 +0400, Konstanteen Denisov wrote:

RS>> b) Speckie has a huge advantage in the form of a legacy of programs
RS>> (free by the way, which is also an advantage),
KD> There are also programs that have Copyright and protection ;)

Yeah. That’s the same www.trd.spetssy.tsz/games - exactly like that.
If anyone doesn’t understand, go to zx.da.ru and try going to the
Games section. Then think about why this is so...

My onboard systems indicated that June 5, 2004. Sergey Zuev and All
discussed "Project PENTAGON-1024 SL"...

SZ> For example, I would love to buy the subject. And what about
SZ> the rest?
But I don’t need him yet...

Well, that’s all, Sergey! Don't lose track...

Sincerely, Alexander

AS> But I don’t need it yet...

In my opinion, if the board was made intelligently, it would turn out to be a reliable
ZX with the ability to use any extensions for the ISA bus. Even those who forgot about ZX a long time ago would want to install this unit for themselves. The main thing
is that the attractiveness is very high.

Regards.

June 04, 2004 09:15, Andrew V. Miheev wrote Rinat Sharypov:

>> Spec's programs are really cool, now having Athlone
>> 1700 percent and a bunch of all sorts of newfangled games, I have a Spectrum real
>> emulsion and I play Speck's games.

AM> So stop there with yours fantasies... 8-)

Smart as a nut, in order to play spec I need to buy athlon 1700+.

Bye Andrew!
... Did you use the FTN package?

Actually, speck lovers gather in this echo, but you can trash it in another place. I'll give you a hundred pounds that you haven't written a single program for it.

>> AM> This niche has been formed for a long time. Almost its first
>> AM> representative, Newton from Apple, formed the basic
>> AM> requirements and application.

>> Newton from Apple was commercially unsuccessful. Refer to appropriate
>> sources.

No desire to waste time on you.

June 04, 2004 (and it was 09:15 then)
Andrew V. Miheev in his letter to Kirill Frolov wrote:

AM> There will be 100% compatibility with the original - you won’t have to write anything.
AM> 8-)

If only there was a Z80 with protected mode... :-)

Good luck!

05 Jun 04 09:33, Sergey Zuev -> All:

SZ> For example, I would love to buy the subject. What about the others?

I would also buy it if I included the connection of ISA Hayes modems in advance.

Goodbye, Alexey.
[wamp]┐[sings]──────────────────FatBoySlim - Right here,right now┤
... By night it will be said:

AS> I would also buy it if I included the connection of ISA Hayes
AS> modems in advance.
RS232 is no longer held in high esteem? you definitely need to look for cards with garbage dumps?

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AS>> Hayes modems.
AL> RS232 is no longer held in high esteem? Do you really need to look for cards from the trash heap?

Well, what good is it? External models are much more expensive, but ISA Courier from the trash heap
wouldn't be bad at all. I have not seen any diagrams for connecting modems to RS232 that still work. In addition to everything else, you will have to write software for it.

On Fri, 04 Jun 04 08:15:37 +0400, Andrew V. Miheev wrote:

>> No, under no circumstances. A little time will pass, and Spectrums will fill
>> the whole world and displace all other computers. Even coffee makers will be
>> controlled by Spectrum.
AVM> Dreaming is not harmful...

In this echo - Spectrum rules forever. And why is it interesting for you
to come here and tell me which Spectrum is bad and which PC is good, I
I just can’t understand. Nothing other than an exile. :-/

AVM> Newton is now available in hundreds of variants of its followers like
AVM> Palma, but Spectrum is dead and completely dead.

Why then is Palm not called “Newton”, and Spectrum is still
called “Spectrum”?

>> Don’t be funny. The capacity of the ALU, in general, does not affect anything.
AVM> It primarily affects the speed. If recognition proceeds

Justify.

On Fri, 04 Jun 04 09:04:04 +0400, Andrey Romanenko wrote:

AR> I think if the board was made intelligently, so that with half a kick you get
AR> reliable
AR> ZX with the ability to use any extensions for the ISA bus. Even those
AR> who
AR> forgot about ZX a long time ago would want to install this unit for themselves.
AR> The main thing
AR> is that the attractiveness is very high.

www.petersplus.com.

KF> www.petersplus.com.

So? I agree that the board is cool - at least the best there is. But it has a lot of shortcomings, which actually prevents its spread. Firstly, ALTERA is difficult for homemade use; secondly, the ISA is 8-bit and not 16. Thirdly, it is not an open source platform - which makes distribution and development very difficult. Well, maybe I would have paid $110 for this if I knew that if something crashed, I could repair it myself and not order the next board for $110 from
the other side of the Earth.

For fun, it would be to have a ZX whose main board would be expanded with an ISA 16bit
adapter into which you could then shove ISA cards with other processors -
accelerators and svga cards.

In this situation, those who do not need ISA could stop at assembling a regular
ZX; others would go further and connect an ISA adapter which would give them
the ability to use MIO/SB; still others would assemble an accelerator, say, on the 8088 with its own firmware, which would reset the svga adapter standing on the same bus and, pulling it directly from memory via the ISA bus, would display the Spectrum screen on it; That would be ita truly viable computer - on the one hand, not weakly expandable and on the other, fully compatible with ZX.

Regards.

> >> Spec's programs are really cool, having now an Athlone processor
> >> 1700 and a bunch of all sorts of newfangled games, I have a Spectrum Real
> >> emulsion and I play Spec's games.

> AM> So stop there in your fantasies... 8-)

> Smart as a nut, in order to play Spec I need buy athlone 1700+.

> AM> There will be 100% compatibility with the original - you won’t have to write anything.
> AM> 8-)

> Now, if only there was a Z80 with protected mode... :-)

AM> I don’t doubt this at all, but it won’t make him any more “alive.”
AM> Like,
AM> like Lenin in his mausoleum. 8-) At the same time, I fully understand and respect
AM> the nostalgia for the Spectrum and its time, but I absolutely don’t understand the conversations
AM> about
AM> its “development”.

If you don’t understand something, then it’s always your problem. Either upgrade your
interface through which you “understand” conduct, or forget about this flow of information - but
don’t bother with stupid attacks. This applies not only to the ZX but in general to all things
in life - it’s stupid to focus on something that you either don’t care about or don’t understand anything about.

AM> If you add a few more bucks, you’ll get protected mode. 8-)

I think if you add one thing, it won’t do anything. Think and imagine whether it could be that without the “thing” someone will be able to do it... just like that.

Regards.

AL> RS232 is no longer held in high esteem? Do you really need to look for cards from the trash heap?

He is held in high esteem. But to do it properly you need ISA 16bit + MIO. All
other implementations will not stand up to criticism.

Regards.

> AVM> Newton is now available in hundreds of variants of its followers such as
> AVM> Palma, but Spectrum is dead and completely dead.

> Why then is Palm not called “Newton”, and Spectrum is still
> called “Spectrum”?

AL>> garbage dump?
AR> He is held in high esteem. But to do it properly you need ISA 16bit + MIO.
AR> All other implementations will not stand up to criticism.
in fact, when you connect an external ISA modem, its
internals are connected, which at least on the offtopic are visible as a COM port, these
boards have UART and everything else. It wouldn’t be easier to integrate all this onto the subject board - it would be much more fun would.

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AVM>
>> Justify.
AVM> What exactly? What does the bit capacity of the CPU affect the speed of program execution
AVM> with
AVM> all other things being equal?
Where are all other things being equal, the command system in the Z80 is expanded (LDIR - the 8080 does not have a family of
commands).

Well, what should I tell my cockroaches?
Waiting for a response, Sergey Popov
Email: POPOVS...@rambler.ru
Winamp has been killed
Created in Termaile from the Ter500 package. :)

AM> I don’t doubt this at all, but it won’t make him any more “alive.”
AM> Like Lenin in his mausoleum. 8-) At the same time, I fully understand and
AM> respect the nostalgia for the Spectrum and its time, but I absolutely don’t understand
AM> the talk about its “development”.

I had this crazy idea... Spectrum + modem + more memory +
extended video + corresponding software + some other bells and whistles =
Internet set-top box for the TV (it seems like there are such). Once again, don't
take this seriously.

Good luck!

On Mon, 07 Jun 04 11:27:14 +0400, Andrey Romanenko wrote:

KF>> www.petersplus.com.

AR> So? I agree that the board is cool - at least the best there is. But
AR> it has a lot of shortcomings, which actually hinders its distribution. Firstly
AR> firstly
AR> ALTERA is difficult for home-made use, secondly ISA is 8-bit and not 16. In

Altera has already been used there for you, you are given a finished product. Why would you go there with a soldering iron? For the life of me I don’t understand. Next, what does ISA have to do with it?
There is no ISA bus, there is an ISA slot into which you can install
only SOME devices, like modems. Why do you need a 16-bit modem, you
of course you don’t know, but 16 bits is probably twice as cool as 8?

AR> Third, it’s not an open source platform - which makes distribution very difficult
AR> X-FTN-Tearline: GoldED+/W32 1.1.5-031023

Here you also don’t have enough open source, but you can’t use interferes.
In addition, this is not a platform, this is a Spectrum. There will be no development there, for
development you can go to the pussy shop.

AR> development. Well, I might have paid $110 for this if I knew what ifif
AR> crashes, I can repair it myself and not order the next board for
AR> $110 from
AR> the other side of the Earth.

So say - the slots are not wide enough, the source is not open enough,
and the alter is too difficult, because $110 for a board is a lot for you...

AR> It would be funny to have a ZX in which the main board would be expanded by ISA
AR> 16bit
AR> adapter into which you could then stuff ISA cards with other
AR> processors -
AR> accelerators and svga cards.

So, ask around at the nearest piss shop. Maybe for
you will find an exclusive and rarity - the 386th with just such an ISA.

AR> In this situation, those who do not need the ISA could stop at assembling the
AR> regular
AR> ZX; others would go further and connect an ISA adapter which would give them
AR> the ability to use MIO/SB; still others would assemble an accelerator, say
AR> on
AR> 8088 with its own firmware which would reset the one standing on
AR> this

Yes, yes, and still others would install Windows 3.11 there...

AR> on it the Spectrum screen; This would be a truly viable computer -
AR> with
AR> on the one hand not weakly expandable and on the other fully compatible with ZX.

These are mutually exclusive conditions. The pussy turns out to be pureвиде.

AR> He is held in high esteem. But to do it properly you need ISA 16bit + MIO. All
AR> other implementations will not stand up to criticism.

I just don’t understand - why are there 16 bits? You've seen a lot of these cards for pussy, what other ones can you stick in the spec? Can you imagine
what is connected there on the second half of the slot? I'll answer for you - the first 8
interruptions are not enough. Forget about the soundblaster, the “HDD controller” (exactly what’s
in quotes) and network cards, as well as about SVGA.

KF> These are mutually exclusive conditions. It turns out to be a pussy, in its purest form.

No! For me this is not PC. This is just ZX expanded due to PC hardware. Since
all old software should work with minimal modifications and new software
could use new hardware. It’s just that when I see in the echoes some
suggestions like yours - to cut off the ISA modem with WIRES - all I can think about is that 10 years have passed since Kondratiev came up with this idea and there is still
no normal implementation. I’m generally silent about other circuits, all sorts of sound drives and
other things - are PC ISA 16bit cards really so bad that you don’t
connect them to the ZX instead of all this glucodrome? And then look at what’s happening on the same Amiga - first someone screwed on the ISA bus; now PCI. Believe me,
There is nothing wrong with a ZX having a standard tire with a ton of features
- that doesn’t stop it from being a ZX.

Regards.

KF> I just don’t understand - why are there 16 bits? You've seen a lot of these
KF> cards for pussy, what other ones can you stick in the spec? Can you
KF> imagine
KF> what is connected there on the second half of the slot? I'll answer for you - the first
KF> 8 and
KF> interrupts are not enough. Forget about soundblaster, the “HDD controller” (exactly what
KF> is in quotes) and network cards, as well as about SVGA.

??? Don't you understand? I just don’t understand how it was possible to make such a crippled bus as in the Sprinter... was it really a bummer to make a normal
16bit ISA. I don't see any reason to use only 8bit MIO from all the variety of cards. And why should I forget about the idea of ​​expanding ZX with other hardware? Maybe you can tell me to forget something else?

Regards.

AL> in fact, when you connect an external ISA modem, its
AL> internals are connected, which at least on the offtopic are visible as a COM port; on
AL> these
AL> boards have UART and everything else. Wouldn’t it be easier to integrate all this
AL> onto the
AL> subject board - it would be much more fun.

And you’re wondering what kind of work you propose to do? Instead of one ISA controller, you propose to implement just a piece of MIO card directly on the main board - well, what's the point? This is despite the fact that it was already possible to build a COM port on the same Profi with simply incredible efforts (both in terms of money and setup), accordingly, a lesson was learned, but apparently not everyone remembers it. This
doesn’t look reasonable because you can find MIO at a radio flea market for ~$1...4
without any problems. In addition, as I understand it, making an ISA 16bit controller on the same Atmel or another z80 is much easier than assembling a COM port.

Regards.

AM> Like Lenin in his mausoleum. 8-) At the same time, I fully understand and
AM> respect the nostalgia for the spectrum and its time, but I absolutely don’t understand
AM> the talk about its “development”.
Ignorance is bliss!

As far as you understand, it’s not about what you, or some other
individuals think, because despite food processors, many people use an ordinary
knife for slicing vegetables...

And if someone is interested in this, then it has a place to be, which means its development
is quite possible at least in narrow circles.

>> And what interest do you have in coming here and telling me what the Spectrum is
>> bad
AM> Don’t talk about me - the Spectrum is not bad, but simply
AM> "not modern" and it is useless to argue with this.
Which computer can you even call perfect?????????

>> AVM> Newton is now available in a hundred variants of its
>> AVM> followers like Palma, but the Spectrum is dead and already
>> AVM> finally.
That's what a person can think who simply doesn’t know about it!!!

Even the bourgeoisie, who have a very large choice of computers, release their own models of Spectrum.
And they don’t even disdain downloading from MAFONA!

>> Why then is Palm not called “Newton”, but Spectrum is still called “Spectrum”?
AM> Only no one elseunder this name it has not been produced for about 10 years.
AM> But it is called... 8-)
Argument!!!

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June 08 04 11:05, you wrote to me:
AR> Are you estimating what amount of work you propose to do? Instead of
AR> one ISA controller, you are proposing to implement just a piece of MIO
AR> card directly on the main board - so what's the point? This is despite the fact that
AR> it was already possible to build a COM port on the same Profi with simply incredible
AR> efforts (both in terms of money and setup), accordingly, a lesson was learned
AR> but apparently not everyone remembers it. This does not seem reasonable because
the times are a little different. Even if I become the owner of a subject (which I very much
doubt - I’m afraid that I’ll definitely break off assembling it, and the assembled one will cost
more than a new PocketPC) - I’m not going to rummage through trash heaps in the literal sense
of the word and look for cards from 10-15
years ago among household items and construction waste. Firstly, as you write below - who is in atmels, and in spades and all that other stuff - is it really hard to simply put this joy on a price? Secondly, all this joy that will form a subject
today will cost much more than a ready-made pro 10 years ago, so excuse me, what is better - a cheap microcircuit or an eternal hemorrhoid with scrap metal?

AR> MIO can be found at a radio flea market for ~$1...4 without any problems. In addition
AR> as I understand it, make an ISA 16bit controller on the same Atmelor else
AR> one z80 is much easier than assembling a COM port.
You were given this ISA. Just an upgrade of some rubbish. It seems that
in another ten years they will be discussing connecting SATA screws and
AGP cards, just like today ISA - while resoldering
shrunken connectors and torn tracks on 720kb in exactly the same way disk drives.

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> SZ>>> For example, I would love to buy the subject. What about the others?
> AS>> I would also buy it if I included the connection of ISA Hayes
> AS>> modems in advance.
> AL> RS232 is no longer held in high esteem? Do you really need to look for cards from the trash heap?

> He is held in high esteem. But to do it properly you need ISA 16bit + MIO. All
> other implementations will not stand up to criticism.

> In this situation, those who do not need ISA could stop at assembling a regular
> ZX; others would go further and connect an ISA adapter which would give them
the ability to use MIO/SB; still others would assemble an accelerator, say, on an 8088 with its own firmware, which would reset the svga adapter standing on the same bus and, pulling it directly from memory via the ISA bus, would display the Spectrum screen on it; This would be a truly viable computer - on the one hand, not weakly expandable, and on the other, fully compatible with ZX.

I didn’t “stupidly attack” anyone, but just expressed my opinion. I
understand that you don’t like the fact that my opinion differs from yours, but
this is not at all a reason to “shut up” me. And you don’t have enough rights to do this.
8-)

> Hi, Andrew!
>
> >> AM> There will be 100% compatibility with the original - you won’t have to write anything.
> >> AM> 8-)
> >> Now, if only there was a Z80 with a protected mode... :-)
> AM> If you add a few more bucks, you’ll have a protected mode. 8-)
>
> I think if you add one more thing, it won’t do anything.

I agree, but this no longer looks like development, but like death throes.
Modern technology makes it possible to “hide” the entire Spectrum in one crystal
with a retail cost of $25-30. And to do this with a noticeable improvement in its
characteristics both in terms of video output and processor clock frequency. This
this, IMHO, will be a development, but assembling the same thing on discontinued
chips - what kind of development is this?

Yes, I use it myself. Only you confuse technology with basic necessities. Technology has gone far ahead and given birth to a food processor, which complements but does not replace a regular knife, which is an essential item (in the kitchen in particular). The Spectrum was born as a gaming machine, and a little developing one. And he was born a long time ago. Since then, both gaming and development technologies have gone far ahead. Very far away. And the Spectrum today
can be a Rarity, "Retro", nostalgia... anything, but not a modern
game development machine. Given its architecture, it is difficult to “develop” it further
without losing compatibility with older software. Hence my opinion about the "development" of the Spectrum.

AM>> will become. Kind of like Lenin in his mausoleum. 8-) At the same time, I completely
AM>> understand and respect the nostalgia for the Spectrum and its time, but
AM>> I don’t understand at all the talk about its “development”.

AG> Such a crazy idea flashed through my mind... Spectrum + modem + more
AG> memory + expanded video + corresponding software + some more
AG> bells and whistles = Internet set-top box for the TV (it seems there is such).
AG> I repeat once again, don’t take this seriously.

this is a matter, but who can do it?

Bye Alexey!

... Mongnarim uynamiy

AVM>> And they don’t even disdain downloading from MAFONA!
AVM> From which MAFONA? I haven’t had it at home for five years now. 8-)

had the good fortune to be at last year's demoparty Forever Quatro (Trencin-Slovakia),
the Germans came there, brought 1k intro on _cassette_!

pokedova Andrew
jtn\\4d

Friday June 04 1993 01:19, Kirill Frolov wrote to Andrey Romanenko:

AR>> distribution. Firstly, ALTERA is difficult for homemade
AR>> application; secondly, ISA is 8-bit and not 16. In
KF> Altera has already been used there for you, you are given a finished product.
KF> Why go there with a soldering iron - for the life of me I don’t understand. Next, what does
KF> have to do with
KF> ISA? There is no ISA bus, there is an ISA connector into which you can install only SOME devices, such as modems. Why do you
KF> need a 16-bit modem, of course you don’t know, but 16 bits are probably
KF> twice as cool as 8?
Well, really. Well, why do people need this ISA connector, and even 16 bits. Savund
blusters are remembered by all sorts. Damn, well, DOCKS need to be dug. I'll bake an acre of PC modem
and don't need anything from ISA! Tested by time. Memory, mice, keyboards, screws and SDs are not required. Sound blasters, by definition, don’t roll (docks rulez!!!
.... to begin 25 (as soon as possible). You can use _any_ case, even put it in a chest of drawers. More than a meter of memory _nowhere_ to use. There is no such software yet. And there will be
whether...
Well, what else? DMA? Hardware mp3 decoder? Well, hey... Who cares... I listen to the mp3 player. I'm happy with the quality.

KF> open, and alter is too difficult, because $110 for a fee is too much for you
KF>...
2KF: Well... Regions and salaries... The question is eternal.completely separate.
That’s how I feel about this price. I'm not rich enough to buy collectibles...

AR> No! For me this is not PC. This is just ZX expanded due to PC
AR> hardware. Since all old software should work with minimal
AR> alterations, and new software could use new hardware. It’s just
AR> when I see in the echoes some proposals like yours - to cut
AR> WITH ISA modem WIRES - my only thoughts are that 10 years have passed since
AR> since this idea arose from Kondratiev and there is still no normal
AR> implementation. About other circuits, all sorts of sound drives and so on
Something tells me that the Sprinter works fine with a modem :)
What don’t you like?

AR> I’m generally silent - are ISA 16bit PC cards really so bad that
Listen, you’re a real fan of 16 bits.
Admit it, do you have 286 PCs at home?
Everyone else seems to be not quite 16-bit.

AR> shouldn’t we connect them to the ZX instead of all this glucodrome? And then look
How did you think they would work?

AR> what’s going on on the same Amiga - first someone screwed up the ISA bus;
AR> now PCI. Believe me, there is NOTHING wrong with the ZX having
Tell me how to attach standard PCI logic to the Amiga?
Everyone would be very interested.

Soon we will have to attach another one, the usual PCI has already outlived its usefulness.

AR> standard bus with a bunch of possibilities - that makes it a ZXnot
AR> will cease to exist.
Maybe this will be a discovery for you, but the ZX has a standard tire, and from
birth.
The fact that the PC has its own standard tire does not change anything.

Bye, Andrey!
Arc/exRLDG

AM> Yes, I use it myself. Only you confuse technology with essential items. Technology has gone far ahead and given birth to a food processor, which complements but does not replace a regular knife, which is an essential item (in the kitchen in particular).
Then a meat grinder will be closer to you! 8). And it was born a long time ago. Since then, both gaming and development technologies have gone far ahead. Very far away. And the Spectrum today can be a Rarity, “Retro”,
AM> nostalgia... anything, but not a modern gaming development
AM> machine. Given its architecture, it is difficult to “develop” it further without losing compatibility with older software. Hence my opinion about
AM> the “development” of the Spectrum.
Well, what is so globally new that the development of newfangled computers has brought???
Almost everything that I do on offtopic, I can do on ZX.
Consequently, I have enough spec!? Well, if you DEVELOP it a little, then some more possibilities will be added.
In short, the OLD friend is better than the NEW two!!!
Therefore, we must do what everyone considers correct, and therefore this echo will
continue to discuss the development of the spectrum and workprecisely with REAL IRON.

Or maybe you don’t agree that SEX is better than MASTURBATION???

KF>> can you imagine what is connected there on the second half of the slot? I will answer for you - the first 8 interruptions are not enough. Forget about
KF>> soundblaster, the “HDD controller” (exactly what’s in quotes) and
KF>> network cards, as well as about SVGA.
AR> ??? Don't you understand? I just don’t understand how it was possible
Give me an example

AR> to make such a crippled bus as in Sprinter... was it really done in
Normal there.
Or did you not like the initialization?

AR> bummer
AR> make a normal 16bit ISA. I don’t see any reasons at all
It’s not advisable.
Soon working with such a wide bus for the Spectrum will kill in the bud all
advantages that 16bit cards can ideally provide.

AR> variety of cards to use only 8bit MIO. And why should I
Have you seen a lot of this variety, which makes sense to apply in ZX?

AR> forget about the idea of ​​​​expanding ZX with other hardware? Maybe you still
AR> tell me to forget something?
Why then is Altera not “other hardware” for you?
You can build a second processor, an accelerator, and much more.

Bye, Andrey!
Arc/exRLDG

AL>> its internals, which at least on the offtopic are visible as
AL>> COM port, these boards have UART and everything else. It wouldn't be easier
AL>> if it were all integrated onto the subject board - it would be much more fun
AL>> it would be.
AR> Are you wondering what volume of work you propose to do? Instead of
Elementary.

AR> one ISA controller, you propose to implement just a piece of MIO
MIO already in the modem
Kondratiev connection - this is some kind of parody of the isa bus.
Look at how it differs, it is isa16 and think about what exactly you
need it for.

AR> cards directly on the main board - well, what's the point? This is despite the fact that
AR> it was already possible to build a COM port on the same Profi with simply incredible
AR> efforts (both in terms of money and setup), respectively, the lesson was learned
I don’t know, the circuit is elementary. In terms of the cost of parts, it's cheap, only
the speed limit is 9600bps on VI51 :)

AR> but apparently not everyone remembers it. This doesn’t look reasonable because
AR> MIO can be found at a radio flea market for ~$1...4 without any problems. In addition
AR> as I understand it, making an ISA 16bit controller on the same Atmel or another
AR> one z80 is much easier than assembling a COM port.
Judging by the way you say “about the same Atmel” you mean the widely
8bit controller,who doesn't particularly like these 16bits either.
Learn the materiel..........

Bye, Andrey!
Arc/exRLDG

On Mon, 07 Jun 04 15:15:40 +0400, Andrew V. Miheev wrote:

>> In this echo, the Spectrum rules forever.
AVM> I don’t doubt it at all, but it won’t make it “more alive”.

He is more alive than all the living!

AVM> Don’t slander me - the Spectrum is not bad, but just
AVM> “not modern”
AVM> and it’s useless to argue with that.

It’s you who are behind the times.

>>> You’re not funny. The capacity of the ALU, in general, does not affect anything.
AVM>> It primarily affects the speed. If recognition continues
>> Justify.
AVM> What exactly? What does the bit capacity of the CPU affect the execution speed of the
AVM> program under
AVM> other things being equal?

Yes.

AR> ??? Don't you understand? I just don’t understand how it was possible to make
AR> such a
AR> crippled tire like in the Sprinter... was it really a bummer to make
AR> normal

Yes, that’s what I understood. Purely normal 16-bit bus. After all, 16-bit is
twice as cool as 8.

AR> 16bit ISA. I don’t see any reason to use only 8bit MIO from the whole variety of
AR> cards.

I don’t see any reason to use cards from a different
computer at all. And the spinter has MIO built into the processor.

On Tue, 08 Jun 04 09:33:08 +0400, Andrey Romanenko wrote:

KF>> There is no ISA bus, there is an ISA slot into which you can install
KF>> only SOME devices, like modems. Why do you need a 16-bit modem?
KF>> of course you don’t know, but 16 bits are probably twice as cool as 8?
AR> who told you about 16bit modem? I was talking about support for all standard 16bit
AR> ISA
AR> cards.

This is not necessary. There are no such cards.

KF>> So say so - the slots are not wide enough, the source is not open enough,
KF>> and the alter is too difficult, because $110 for a board is a lot for you...
AR> $110 is normal, but this is not the quality I want for this money. I don't need
AR> 8bit
AR> and it's not an ISA bus + ALTERA with which nothing can be done. For me, a simpler
AR> solution
AR> is more accessible, not in terms of price, but in terms of support needed. I'm not used to
AR> so that

There is no other alternative.

AR> put the board in the ISA slot; pressed reset - it loads immediately, let's say IS-DOS and
AR> sees all the PC peripherals.

Don't you need the "iS-DOS window" in the Windows environment?

AR>>> on the one hand it is not weakly expandable and on the other hand it is fully compatible with
AR>>> ZX.

AR>>>> they would assemble an accelerator, say, for 8088 with their own firmware
AA> Holy, holy...
AR>>>> which would reset the one standing on this
KF>>> Yes, yes, and the fourth would install Windows 3.11 there...
AR>> :) why not IS-DOS 7.0?
AA> Is-dos still carries around the rudiments of the 48 Spectrum, cool in
AA> in the end
AA> the system would have come out...

And they would have attached a 16-bit graphics add-in to it, what do you think
A 16-bit SVGA card is needed for? This reminds me of something...

On Mon, 07 Jun 04 23:16:46 +0400, Alexey Golubev wrote:

AG> I had this crazy idea... Spectrum + modem + more memory
AG> +
AG> extended video + corresponding software + some other bells and whistles =
AG> Internet set-top box for TV (it seems like there are such things). I repeat once again, do not
AG> take this seriously.

Theoretically, this is possible. But the console will turn out to be uh... to put it mildly, low-functional. Modern Internet applications
are very resource intensive.

On Tue, 08 Jun 04 10:05:20 +0400, Andrey Romanenko wrote:

AR> does not look reasonable because you can find MIO at a radio flea market for ~$1...4
AR> without any problems. Besides, as I understand it, making an ISA 16bit
AR> controller on
AR> the same Atmel or another z80 is much easier than assembling a COM port.

Let's face it, nonsense. Have you seen the NEMO IDE controller diagram? Here's a full-fledged "ISA 16bit controller" with fine logic that's 2 times larger. This is if without DMA. Otherwise, add more DMA sound there.

< p>

Us we can't understand each other with you. Unlike you, I make my living by developing hardware and programs and I see “development” not in rosy colors, like
you, but in modern reality. Ensuring commercial demand for a car that has no buyers (five of your friends don't count - I have a hundred friends who have or want to have cell phones and this is in demand) is simply
unrealistic. And if there is no commercial demand, then there is no development. More precisely, it exists at the level of “enthusiasm” of individuals who have a desire to “develop”, know how to do it, and have the opportunity to do it for free. Among the Spectrumists there are very few of them and you are clearly not one of them you relate. >

AM> Really? Are you good at circuit design? Almost any
AM> serial port chip is simply screwed to the Spectrum without any
AM> "ISA 16bit + MIO".

"Elementary" - you're probably talking about Kamil Karimov's circuit (connecting ps/2
keyboard or rs232 or Kempston mouse). So I think it’s not just the effort
practically the same but the effect is much smaller. It would be much cooler to create an ISA controller using the same
Atmel.

Regards.

>> there are enthusiasts who are ready to make Spectrum compatible models.
AVM> I agree, but this no longer looks like development, but like dying
AVM> convulsions.
But for some reason, these dying convulsions last a very long time. :/
And if Subj is real and compatible with previous models
(Spectrum-compatible (in full program), Scorpios and Kai), then it’s too early to talk about
killing the Spectrum.

AVM> Modern technology allows you to “hide” the entire Spectrum in one crystal
AVM> with a retail value of $25-30. Moreover, to do this with a noticeable improvement
AVM> of its
AVM> characteristics both in video output and in processor clock frequency.
AVM> Here
AVM> this, IMHO, will be a development, and assembling the same thing on discontinued
AVM> chips - what kind of development is this?
Mode of increasing memory while preserving the modes of existing ones. And regarding
improving the characteristics of the video output, the video processor is described in the ZX-Review, IMHO, 1996, there is multicolor. And the processor frequency is a double-edged sword,
you write a program at a frequency higher than the standard one, and whoever has a computer with
the standard one flies by, it already looks like PC.

AM> Think and figure out whether any of the “reasonably well
AM> people who understand
AM> in circuit design” will tinker with 15-year-old junk like the Z80, when
AM> there are a bunch of more modern, convenient and powerful processors and
AM> microcontrollers for implementing a gaming machine.

So you have to think about it or not. we are discussing this.

Regards.

AM> I agree, but this no longer looks like development, but like dying
AM> convulsions.
AM> Modern technology allows you to “hide” the entire Spectrum in one crystal
AM> with a retail value of $25-30. Moreover, to do this with a noticeable improvement in its
AM> characteristics both in terms of video output and processor clock frequency.
AM> Here
AM> this, IMHO, will be a development, and to assemble the same thing on discontinued
AM> production
AM> chips - what kind of development is this?

To “hide” you need to hire a team of 10 people, pay each person $5000 per month for a year, and this does not take into account the costs of equipment and rent - the development of your device will amount to millions if you go into mass production with it. And maybe tens of millions if you get involved in marketing and the market. It’s clear that ZX is no longer relevant for such actions.
Enthusiasts can easily do this for themselves. And a $30 chip is more of a problem than a solution for them.

Regards.

AM> Spectrum was born as a gaming
AM> machine, and a little developing one. And he was born a long time ago. Since then, both gaming and
AM> developing technologies have gone far ahead.

nonsense! zx was never marketed for toys. you've confused zx with NES
probably or with Atari2600 :)))) zx is just a home computer. and the fact that they began to write games for it - well... they also write games for Nokia mobile phones - from
this mobile did not become a “gaming machine”.

AM> This is not development.

:))) teach everyone here what development is and what is not? or use case specification
immediately write with your requirements for the process so that it is considered development.

Regards.

AR>>>> another fully compatible with ZX.
KF>>> These are mutually exclusive conditions. It turns out to be a pussy, in its purest form.
AR>> No! For me this is not PC. This is just ZX expanded due to PC
AR>> hardware. Since all old software should work with minimal
AR>> alterations, and new software could use new hardware. It’s just
AR>> when I see in the echoes some proposals like yours - to cut
AR>> WITH ISA modem WIRES - my only thoughts are that 10 years have passed since
AR>> since this idea arose from Kondratiev and there is still no normal
AR>> implementation. About other circuits, all sorts of sound drives and so on

AA> Do you know a lot of them with the condition of actually using them on the ZX?

well, if I don’t know such applications, then it’s impossible or unnecessary in your opinion or
what? what is this market for?

Regards.

AA> Why then is Altera not “other hardware” for you?
AA> There you can build a second processor, an accelerator, and much more.

Have you worked with this? if so, you should know that this is a lot of money for
opportunities that are unnecessary at such speeds (<30Mhz). There are a lot of alternatives suitable
for ZX. If everything is designed correctly, assembly and setup will be
even easier than Pentagon128.

Regards.

AA> Judging by the way you say “about the same Atmel”, you mean the widely
AA> widespread
AA> 8bit controller, which doesn’t really like these 16bits either. Learn
AA> materiel.........

if he does exactly that and controls traffic on the ISA, then it is quite possible
to achieve normal speed for the ZX even on an 8bit controller is not a question.

Regards.

June 09, 2004 11:15 AM, Andrew V. Miheev wrote to Rinat Sharypov:

Calm down....

Bye Andrew!

... Mongnarim uynamiy

The frequency can be adjusted on the go. Let's assume that this single-chip miracle is launched as a Spectrum with a Z80 at 33 Megahertz, and on the menu screen there is a choice of frequency and compatibility parameters. I chose "Standard" and download the standard Spectrum program for your health - everything will work. I need to do something serious and need speed - I went to the speed selection menu and
selected the highest possible - get a high-performance 8-bit
machine, partially compatible with the Spectrum.

> AM> Really? Are you good at circuit design? Almost any chip
> AM> serial port is simply screwed to the Spectrum without any
> AM> "ISA 16bit + MIO".

> "Elementary" - you're probably talking about Kamil Karimov's circuit (connecting a ps/2
> keyboard or rs232 or Kempston mouse). So I think it’s not just that the effort
> is practically the same but the effect is much smaller. It would be much cooler to make an ISA controller using the same
Atmel.

> AA> common
> AA> 8bit controller, which doesn’t really like these 16bits either. Learn
> AA> materiel..........

> if he does exactly that and controls traffic on the ISA, then it is quite possible
> achieving normal speed for the ZX even on an 8bit controller is not a question.

By the way, who needs a frame from the branded Didaktik?
And then I collected Lenin recently and asked one man for a belly, and he
didactics slipped me...

And someone else help me figure out the glitch (lening), two screens are displayed on the screen at once
(i.e. top and bottomthere are two identical images sitting together with
borders) and the flash color blinks twice as fast as usual, otherwise I’m not used to playing “two elites at once”:>>

Bye!

09 Jun 04 22:31, you wrote to Andrew V. Miheev:
RS> Calm down....
are you out of arguments? :)

/_*──────────────── ──────────────────────── ───────────────────────[80`s]────*_/

AVM> What do “block transfer” commands have to do with it (what kind of
AVM> commands are these anyway?)?
LDIR,LDDR,LDI....

Bye!

Bye!

> AM> Think and figure out whether any of the “reasonably well
> AM> people who understand
> AM> in circuit design” will tinker with 15-year-old junk like the Z80, when
> AM> there are a bunch of more modern, convenient and powerful processors and
> AM> microcontrollers for implementing a gaming machine.

> here you can decide whether it will happen or not while we are discussing it.

Why write about something you don’t understand? The Speckrum scheme is simply
“hidden” in PLISin by one person. You take a development environment like Quartus and “redraw” the Spectrum diagram in its graphic editor. This is about a week, if you take your time and carefully. Next, you take the already completed Z80
model on VHDL and add it to the project. This is about another week, taking into account the linking
of signals and time for debugging. You register all this in PLISina and get a
complete copy of the Spectrum in one crystal. You check it in operation and then
begin to improve it - add another port for video output to
memory, memory protection for different applications from each other, a video processor, etc.
etc.. For this, another month of hard work or 3-4 months, if not in a hurry. As a result, you get a super-duper Spectrum with various bells and whistles
which you can turn on and off right on the go programmatically.

Hmm... Very interesting, how did you manage to upgrade a 16-bit machine
to a 32-bit one? About 10 years ago I worked closely and repaired PS/2 and I know
these machines quite well - there are no hints on the motherboards about upgrading
to 32-bit. Moreover, the use of the “features” of the PS/2 architecture generally forced us to abandon the idea of ​​upgrading it. The screw and flopstick on them had
special connectors where, along with the signals, power was supplied to one
loop and to install a standard flopik or screw, you had to pick up a soldering iron.

[skip]

>> Well, why are you writing your treatises on the subject of RIP in
>> this echo???
AM> I simply expressed my opinion, which, IMHO, is based on facts, and
AM> namely:
What facts are you talking about if you (yourself admitted) that you are not aware of it? what
is happening on the platform now?

AM> 1. Production of the original Spectrum has long been curtailed.
???
Have you even used the original one???
All the clones that people use in our country are mostly of LOCAL
origin, that’s why there are a ton of models!

AM> 2. It does not seem
AM> possible to set up its production using old components - many of them are out of production, others have changed
AM> cases and
AM> will require re-routing the board, others are sold only in large
AM> lots.
Well and what do you think the sub-jew project is doing???

AM> 3. Another reason for the impossibility of mass production is the lack
AM> of commercial demand. Small-scale batches (up to 100 pieces per month)
AM> will
AM> cost around 400-500 dollars, and to reduce the price to at least
AM> 150-200
AM> dollars, mass production and the same _mass_
AM> sales are necessary.
Yes, there is no need for mass production, because there is no there are so many people who want it, and those
who need it will take advantage of the ENTHUSIASTS whocontrary to people like you,
help SPEK acquire new opportunities.

AM> Already these three reasons should be enough for you to understand the “state of
AM> affairs”.
Well, where is the CORPSE???
If they work on it, then it lives!!!

>> What kind of slogans are “bees against honey”???
AM> Why is this? I am for the development and even offered my services. A piece
AM> of bucks is quite a bit of money. I suggest that lovers like you
AM> chip in,
Lovers like me won’t even give 10 rubles to a manufacturer who thinks NEGATIVELY about his future brainchild.

AM> collect this amount and order me a job. After completion of development, I
AM> transfer all the circuits and firmware for free distribution at your
AM> discretion. Why are you not satisfied with this option? I will do it according to your
AM> technical specifications, but I don’t promise to support my development in the future - it
AM> is of little interest to me.
And I don’t really care about your development! 8)

AM> You don’t understand - I “do not insist on termination”, I am simply stating
AM> the fact of this termination. 8-) The production itself does not depend on me, on my
AM> opinion, and if it exists, then no matter what I say -
AM> it will be there. But if he doesn’t exist, then no matter what you say, he won’t exist.
AM> 8-)
So your conversation is absolutely meaningless!!!

>> Then a meat grinder will be closer to you! 8)
AM> Absolutely the same...
Well then, why the hell do I need an OFTOPICAL food processor???

>> And in general, why do I need a food processor if I need to chop a couple of cucumbers!?
>> Do you get the connection???
AM> Do you read carefully about essential items?
Don’t you think that everything depends on yourself? NEEDS?????

AM> This is off-topic and I am not going to violate the rules of the conference. You
AM> just need to look at the interactive "talking books" on the Mac and
AM> you might understand the difference.
I will understand the difference, but will I feel the need for it, or will the spectrum be enough for me? And I can’t do 90% of what I do on the offtopic on the Spectrum,
AM> even if I really want to, life won’t be enough to wait for the result.
So that’s the whole point, if the spec doesn’t suit you (or doesn’t suit you), for God’s sake, use whatever you want, but why bother with a PIG’S SNOUT in DAIRY
ROW??? (take this as an example and not an insult).

AM> Develop! Who's stopping? I? Nonsense. I’m not holding your hands.
No, but you put pressure on the PSYCHE of people who are insecure and based on the opinions
of those around them.

>> In short, an OLD friend is better than the NEW two!!!
AM> Yes, for God’s sake! Am IAm I saying that Spectrum is a bad friend? I’m just
AM> saying that it’s unlikely to be done better. Especially people like you.
Let’s put it aside as your personal opinion...
But for some reason it is no longer a statement 8)

AM> Yes, please, discuss... 8-)
AM> I have already said everything I wanted. 8-)
And there will be no more NEGATIVE???? 8)

>> Or maybe you don’t agree that SEX is better than MASTURBATION???
AM> 8-) Already experienced? For a long time? 8-)
Have you gone crazy???

AM> We just work not only with our tongues, but also with our hands.
Is this from sexual experience?

AM> With this very
AM> electronics. And we understand it, it seems to me, more than you do, so
AM> we judge development not from an abstract user point of view. Isn't
AM> not? 8-)
The user's point of view HERE is the most correct, because demand is created by
the consumer!!!
And unlike you, I'm not talking about WHAT kind of hardware worker you are, I don't agree with
your POLICY, so to speak.
And there's no point in throwing jokes at me, I'm not just a user for a long time now, and
I assembled my own PENTAGON (which is already very far from the original) with my own hands, and
to this day I am engaged in the release of some software, and by the way, I know what is needed
ordinary users who do not have access to electronic networks, and do not have
the opportunity to tell you what you are wrong about.

>> Yes, and how can you talk about it talk if youprobably more than one
>> you don’t know the reality.
AM> Why? I stopped playing on the Spectrum about 14 years ago, when I realized
AM> that
AM> on a computer (any) you can do more than just play.
And then, without looking at it from above, declare that it’s like HARE TO PLAY AS A CHILDHOOD.

>> And in general, do you know who is doing what on the platform now?
AM> No, not course. What does this change? A friend of mine still writes
AM> programs on a programmable calculator from 30 years ago, so what?
What changes is that people need what they are doing now, and therefore few people will share your point of view...

>> Why haven’t many OFTO WRITERS given up on real money?
AM> Try to accept the Spectrum for what it is and maybe you’ll understand
AM> why.
Who are you telling about this???
I’m partly an offtopian, and I’ve been working with this rubbish for a very long time (that’s the kind of work), so
explain to me how I can accept the Spectrum as it doesn’t exist?????? 8(
)

>> Fortunately, they don’t even buy offtopic from them en masse.
AM> The further into the forest, the thicker the partisans are... 8-)
AM> Where do you get such misinformation from?
And how many bourgeois do you know???
Tell me what they have (if you’re scared, you can on netmail).

>> A Maybe I should take you to visit them???
AM> Take you. 8-)
Your passport has been canceled, and I agree with $1000?

AM> Nono examples for you - you are one of those who like to “stretch your tongue”.
It was BILE ???

AM> 8-) It looks like we live in different times. Who and why is releasing
AM> vinyl today?
Foreign studios, for listeners, and of course DJs.
Yes, even in Moscow there are a couple of stores...

I have already expressed my opinion on this matter. Especially for you: I believe
that the development of the Spectrum will be the transfer of its scheme and all its extensions,
improvements and additions to a modern element base, allowing any of
extensions and additions to be turned on and off programmatically at
arbitrary moments in time without a hot or cold reboot of the entire
system. Technically, this is possible and the hardware costs around $100-150 per finished product.

> KF>>> I saw cards for pussy, what other ones can be stuck in the spec? Can you
> KF>>> imagine what is connected there on the second half of the slot? I will answer you for
> KF>>> - the first 8 interruptions are not enough. Forget about
> KF>>> soundblaster, “HDD controller” (exactly what’s in quotes) and
> KF>>> network cards, as well as about SVGA.
> AR>> ??? Don't you understand? I just don’t understand how it was possible
> AA> Give me an example

> :))) an example of what do you need? there is no real example for zx. There were computers
> like the transputer unit from Atari, which had a fully assembled Atari ST in the 5-inch drive compartment
>. Acorn TUBE - through which the
> second processor is cut (5 types were released z80,6809,68000,32032,ARM1)

AM> What's the problem? It still won't work out cheaper with loose -
AM> you'll save on parts, but you'll spend money on a more complex and expensive
AM> printed circuit board and then you'll get tired of setting up this "miracle of loose thought"
AM>.

AM> In my latest home development, I used an 84-leg EPM7064 FPGA from
AM> Altera. Saved about 100 sq. cm. on the board and about $15-20 per
AM> parts compared to the loose option. But now the
AM> upgrade is done with 4 wires - you rewrite the contents of the FPGA directly on the
AM> board and a new register or port appears inside it with the
AM> functions I need. And in the next development I will use
AM> FPGA on RAM, which can generally change its internal
AM> structure right during operation - the CPU simply loads new
AM> firmware into it and off it goes. The time for waste in such developments has passed.

I support it! I would take such a car, because it has the ability to update
the circuitry, you can also install Flash 29F001 for 128kb instead of ROM, it costs 3-4$
Make the opportunity to update the mikrukh, and the board will come out just a DOLL :)

Bye Andrew!
... And you used the package FTN?

AS> That is...
AS> How much will your spec cost???? :>
AS> I don’t know how much this Altera costs, but you can say there are tempting
AS> ideas, but imagine your worst nightmare... the +12
AS> wire comes off the drive and it falls on Altera, flashes it... and that’s it!! :> And here’s the same
AS> story, only with a little bit of powder: And I go to a friend and take a bunch of T34s and
AS> I change it to a working one, I take out a box with logic, memory (if it doesn’t flash
AS> only the processor) and everything goes well and tomorrow or the day after tomorrow I’m with working pros:

Now imagine, these +12 fall on the board and burn you (percentage, memory, ROM, and
a bunch of logic), besides, it’s still soldered in place, you can’t fix the current board in 2-3 days!
Who told you that there won’t be protection on the board?
In general, the main protection is yourself Spectrumist, because these very +12 can fall on any computer!!!!!

Bye Alexander!

June 10, 2004 08:15 Andrew V. Miheev (2:5020/400) wrote to Sergey Popov about
Re: Project PENTAGON-1024 SL:

>> Yes, and Subj if it is real and compatible with previous models
>> (Spectrum-compatible (in full program), Scorpios and Kai), then it’s too early to talk about
>> the demise of the Spectrum.

AM> Are they still producing them (Scorpions and Kai)?

It seems like the sprinter is still alive? However, it’s problematic to get it, and you still need to pay under
$150.

>> And regarding the improvement of the characteristics of the video output, the video processor is described in
>> ZX-Review, IMHO, ’96, there is multicolor.
AM> Yes, it’s described, but where can you find its chip now? They have been
AM> out of production for about five years now. If you have documentation, it’s easy to write its VHDL model
AM> and
AM> to put it into a common pleat.

“it’s not difficult to write VHDL” :)))) but what’s difficult then?

>> But the processor frequency is a double-edged sword, you write a program at a frequency higher
>> standard, and whoever has a computer with a standard one flies by, this is already
>> on the PC it seems.
AM> The frequency can be adjusted on the go. Suppose this
AM> single-chip miracle is launched as a Spectrum with a Z80 at 33 Megahertz, and on the menu screen -
AM> select the frequency and compatibility parameters. Chose "Standard" and load yourself
AM> on
AM> healthstandard Spectrum programs - everything will work. You need to do something serious and need speed - went to the speed selection menu and
AM> chose the maximum possible - get a high-performance 8-bit
AM> machine, partially compatible with the Spectrum.

:))) yeah, and now some of these emulators on ALTERs have been trying
to even bring it to mind for 5 years now so that at least somehow it was compatible and similar to the real ZX (or c64 if we are talking about CommodoreOne) - and that was unsuccessful. The task is very
difficult because.

>> AVM> The “Retro” class has never been considered modern.
>> But toys and demos are being written at the moment.
AM> So what? What does this have to do with development? The Lada "kopek" has not been produced for God knows how many years, but people still drive them. More precisely
AM> they “arrive” and then throw them into a landfill. At the same time, a “kopek” is not
AM> a modern
AM> car.

Well, why such talk under such a subj? do you think it is unnecessary or what?

Regards.

AM> Once again I ask the question - do you understand much about circuit design? It seems to me
AM> that
AM> you don’t understand much or at all. Otherwise, I wouldn’t be talking nonsense about emulating the
AM> ISA bus on a dead Atmel - it’s not designed for this and full
AM> compatibility won’t work. And making a “crippled” ISA for the sake of a couple of cards makes sense

:))) since you are so sure that it won’t work out, then everything is clear with you. It is useless
to continue the discussion.

Regards.

AM> No, you can’t. Atmel may have time, but who will keep up with him? Z80?
AM> Memory? At what clock frequency? Or do you think that ISA is independent
AM> and
AM> self-sufficient? Learn the materiel...

:))))))) all nonsense.

Regards.

AM> Who is discussing this? You yourself can only discuss and can, actually do something
AM> in
AM> you are unlikely to be able to do this in this direction - there is not enough knowledge. If you knew
AM> how
AM> to do this, had the experience of such developments and the opportunity to put all this into
AM> life, then you would argue completely differently.

in short, talking with you is useless, just like you yourself. this is a diagnosis.

Regards.

Andrew V. Miheev & Grigory Klimenko about: Re: Пpоект PENTAGON-1024 SL

AM> Давай. Хоть один.

Пpимеp номеp 1

Didaktik Gama:

- 192KB RAM memory, paging fully compatible with ZX Spectrum 128KB - port
32765d eventually 253d.
- 32KB EPROM memory with system of ZX Spectrum 128KB.
- Buses of Z80A-CPU are divided from the rest of computer by tristate drivers -
for greater reliability.
- Sound generator AY-3-8912 with ACB stereophone audio output. Fully compatible
with ZX Spectrum 128KB, addressed on ports 49149d and 65533d.
- 4-channels converter of voltage levels for serial line RS-232C (2x inputs and
2x outputs).
- Build in circuit for reduction of "snowing in picture" caused by insuitable
settings of Interrupt register of CPU.
- Better quality of TV signal generator, video signals U, V, /Y generated by
ULA chip are leaded out for possible connection of external RGB converter.
- Better quality of transistor amplifier of input signal from tape.

Пpимеp номеp 2

Chrome :

Cpu Zilog Z80C, Clock frequency 3.58 / 7.1 MHz
Ram memory 64K (spectrum basic), 8K Disk rom
Ram Memory 160K (paged in 16K chunks), 8K Disk ram
Sound 3 channel, 7 octave, white noise, stereo output, 1 channelinternal
speaker
I/O Joystick interface Kempston compatible, Expansion port, I2C interface,
parallel printer out
Storage Cassette recorder, Floppy disk 800K capacity
Display Graphic 256x192 pixels resolution, 16 colors, Analog RGB Scart output

If this really interests you, you can find the addresses yourself, names and
you already have the characteristics...

>> What will these statistics give you, will you change your point of view???
AM> I’ll count the money to understand whether it’s worth doing this or not.
AM> Will I feed my family on this income or not. At the same time, I will understand whether you
AM> are telling the truth, or are you deceiving. 8-)
MONEY is where your problem lies, you think about your own enrichment
and not at all about helping people who need good ZX-like hardware...

AM> They are called... What? 8-)
AM> At least one... 8-)
CSS Electronics

AM> I named the price - buy it. 8-)
Only free from you! 8)

>> Let it sit and not stink???
AM> Use it more often and it won’t stink. Write your toy on it, if
AM> of course you can.
AM> Connect something to it that no one has connected before you
AM>, again, if you can. Well, if you can’t... Why then
AM> wag your tongue?
I promised to connect something new???????????????????????????????
But you can brag to me,what have you done on (or for) ZX, besides your show-offs
of course, something that can really be seen!

>> PS. I hope that you took all this without searching for a CRASH, I just
>> I don’t understand the motives of people who shout QUIT OR YOU WILL DROOM.
AM> You and I can’t understand each other. Unlike you, I make my living
AM> by developing hardware and programs and I see “development” not in rose-colored colors,
AM> like you, but in modern reality.
Your problem is that you look at it as a pile of parts, and what the
machine represents for a NORMAL user, I have no idea you have.

AM> To ensure commercial demand for
AM> a car that has no buyers (five of your friends don’t count -
AM> I have a hundred friends who have or want to have cell phones and this is
AM> demand) is simply unrealistic. And if there is no commercial demand, then there is no
AM> development.
You are talking about the concepts of the MARKET, but not about development in its pure form.

AM> More precisely, it exists at the level of “enthusiasm” of individuals
AM> who have the desire to “develop”, who know how to do it, and who
AM> have the opportunity to do it for free.
So these are the people who are the engines of progress, and thanks to their efforts
we are still capable of a lot (NOT JUST BUYING CHINESE STICKY stuff)!

AM> There are only a few of these among the Spectrumists and
AM> you are clearly one of themyou don’t relate.
And by what criteria do you draw a conclusion about a person???

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AM> Hmm... Very interesting, how did you manage to upgrade a 16-bit machine
AM> to a 32-bit one? About 10 years ago I worked closely and repaired PS/2 and I know

the kingston sx-now board is inserted into socket 286 and that’s it.

Regards.

AM> I have already expressed my opinion on this matter. Especially for you: I believe
AM> that the development of Spectrum will be the transfer of its circuit and all its extensions,
AM> improvements and additions to a modern element base, allowing any
AM> of
AM> extensions and additions to be turned on and off programmatically at
AM> arbitrary moments in time without a hot or cold reboot of the entire
AM> system. Technically, this is possible and the hardware costs around
AM> $100-150 for the finished product.

the result will not be a zx, but garbage the same as a sprinter - which no one will need;
people will remain sitting on their pentagon128 and kay

Regards.

AM> What money? At the beginning of the year, I bought 5 pieces of EPM7032 at a price of $2.5 per piece,
AM> and
AM> recently another 5 EPM3032 at a price of less than $2 per piece, and this was via the Internet, i.e.
AM> is quite expensive. And if you buy from a dealer in the retail department, then
AM> you will win
AM> at least 50 cents per case. Is it expensive? The Z80 is now more expensive.

So what can your EPM do for $3? What can you really do with it for ZX? and how
easy is it to apply?

Regards.

>> second processor (5 types were released z80,6809,68000,32032,ARM1)
AM> Have you understood how it works and by what means it is achieved? Or
AM> is the very fact of existence important to you
AM>? If you figured it out, then tell us - together
AM> we will think about how to use this to connect the ISA to the Z80. Well, if you don’t
AM> know,
AM> then why bother in vain?

I’ve already told you more than once how it works - just like Veremeev had Dendy
connected.

AM> It won’t work with the Z80 even if you take the fastest one. She needs

:)))))) well, it’s immediately obvious - a professional circuit designer.

AM> an interrupt controller and a normal DMA, which has never been in Speckrum,
AM> is not
AM> and is unlikely to ever appear.

the same thing.

June 10 04 11:49, you wrote to Andrew V. Miheev:

AR> :))) yeah, and now some of these emulators on ALTERs
AR> have been trying to even bring it to mind for 5 years so that it is at least somehow compatible and
AR> looks like a real ZX (or like a c64 if we’re talking about CommodoreOne) - and that
AR> was unsuccessful. The task is very difficult because.
What are you saying... firstly, the bourgeoisie likes the sprinter, because
almost all the junk written both by them and by us works on it. Secondly -
a real ZX is a coffin with unstable parameters assembled in bulk?
“Everything should glitch correctly” (c), right?

AM>> “kopek” is not a modern car.
AR> well, why such talk under such a subj? In your opinion, is it unnecessary or
AR> what?
By the way, have you even heard about printing ATM-turbo boards? By the way,
you can order the board right now. and collect specs from your favorite crumble.

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AM>> Z80? Memory? At what clock frequency? Or do you think that ISA
AM>> is independent and self-sufficient? Learn the materiel...
AR> :))))))) all nonsense.
horror. Out of curiosity, I looked at the reference book and I had a question - what kind of ISA do you need? the one that is simply 16bit, or EISA?
about nonsense - would you take a better look at its signals, in particular - at
time parameters.

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NP> I support! I would take such a car, because it has the ability to update the
NP> circuit, you can also
NP> instead of the ROM install Flash 29F001 on 128kb costs 3-4$ Make it possible to
NP> update
NP> mikruh, and the board will come out just a DOLL :)

yeah, keep your pocket wider - this is only in advertising from Xilinx, everything is so cool looks
- in fact, look at such projects in a more or less complete form =
sprinter and c-1; Well, what do we have? the price reaches $200 for a finished computer; new firmware and
configurations are NOT being released because the most expensive thing is the development of
firmware and no one has the resources to bring it to fruition - there are eternal bugs due to
complexity; ordinary users are not able to debug such a board, much less mess with the firmware; Compatibility is nothing compared to pentagon.

It’s easier to make a good ZX in bulk so that there is no need to look for all sorts of
ALTERA which stop being produced in a year or two. Then he will tell you that
this version of ALTER is outdated and it is no longer possible to get it; you need another $100
for the next microcosm for the new ZX (which is as powerful as a pentium-3).

Regards.

10 Jun 04 12:02, you wrote to Andrew V. Miheev:

AR> in short, talking with you is useless, just like you yourself. this is a diagnosis.
What are you useful for, besides the movement “bees FOR HONEY!” ?
a person speaks reasonably, by the way very often supporting his
words with excerpts from documentation and so on, but here you are - you are blindly fighting for
an idea, and in support of your ideas you write a lot of capital letters, emoticons and
exclamations characters.

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10 Jun 04 12:14, you wrote to Andrew V. Miheev:
AR> it won’t be a zx, but garbage the same as a sprinter - which no one
AR> will need; people will remain sitting on their pentagon128 and kay
they feel sorry for the money, or nostalgia for scrap metal ?

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AL> by the way, have you even heard about printing ATM turbo boards? By the way
AL> by the way,
AL> you can order the board right now. and collect speck from your favorite powder.

Who did you need to hear this from? Do you have the schematic and firmware? Who can I order from?

Regards.

AL> horror. Out of curiosity, I looked at the reference book and I had a question - and
AL> do you
AL> what kind of ISA do you need? the one that is simply 16bit, or EISA?
AL> regarding nonsense - would you take a better look at its signals, in particular -
AL> at
AL> time parameters.

well, what’s wrong with the parameters? first, at least just ISA16 about upgrade
it’s too early to think further.

Regards.

AL> what are you useful for, besides the movement “bees FOR HONEY!” ?
AL> a person speaks reasonably, by the way, very often supporting
AL> his
AL> words with excerpts from documentation and so on, but here you are - you are blindly fighting
AL> for
AL> an idea, and in support of your ideas you write a lot of capital letters,
AL> emoticons and
AL> exclamation marks.

start with the fact that the person doesn’t care about subj (or maybe echotag) he needs a few bucks,
despite the fact that he himself wrote that his income is good and stable.

Regards.

AL> do you feel sorry for money, or is it nostalgia for scrap metal?

You don’t feel sorry for money - you just want a ZX spectrum as successful as
pentagon128 was. Or Leningrad2. Or Profi3 is the same. And not a monster like a sprinter
which is nowhere to get. It will be much easier for me to spend $50 on repairs
of a non-working profi3 bought for $10 than to take this sprinter which everyone
will successfully forget about in a year.

Regards.

AR> who did you need to hear this from? Do you have the schematic and firmware? Who can I order
AR> from?
Man, by the way, offers a lot on the internet. there is a diagram and firmware.

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AL>> question - what kind of ISA do you need? the one that is just
AL>> 16bit, or EISA? Regarding nonsense - you would have better looked at
AL>> its signals, in particular - at the time parameters.
AR> well, what's wrong with the parameters? first, at least just ISA16 pro
AR> upgrade, it’s too early to think further.

10 Jun 04 19:58, you wrote to me:

AL>> signs.
AR> start with the fact that a person doesn’t care about subj (or maybe an echotag) he needs a piece of
AR> bucks, despite the fact that he himself wrote that his income is good and
AR> stable.
by the way, I also need a piece of bucks, despite the fact that I have income good and
stable.
you should read more carefully what he writes - and by the way, sometimes it’s good to follow
the advice that others give you. the person knows the question, and what you
consider "bees against honey" is actually a reasonable approach to question.

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AR> Yes, I don’t mind the money - I just want the ZX spectrum to be as successful as
AR> pentagon128 was.
And what is its success? In a bunch of bugs?
AR> Or Leningrad2.
Uh-huh, which was a waste to use without any hands.
AR> Or Profi3 is the same.
Uh-huh, the space between two printed circuit boards of the professional department is 9.9 dm^2. And the wiring density is lower than
ATM-Turbo 2,
AR> And not a monster like
AR> sprinter, which is nowhere to get.
And trade union is sold in every store. The sprinter's scheme is much simpler than that of the
trade faculty.
AR> It will be much easier for me to throw in
AR> $50
AR> to repair a non-working profi3 bought for $10 than to take this sprinter
AR> which everyone will forget about in a year.
Well, everyone has been talking about the Sprinter since 95, but the trade faculty has been talking about it since the same 95 not
issued.

Alexander A. Lyadenko & Andrey Romanenko about: Project PENTAGON-1024
SL

AL> 10 June 04 12:14, you wrote to Andrew V. Miheev:
AR>> it will turn out not zx but garbage the same as sprinter - which no one
AR>> will need; people will remain sitting on their pentagon128 and kay
AL> do they feel sorry for the money, or is it nostalgia for scrap metal?
Is this a hit???
There is no point in buying, so to speak, a fancy car, and using it at 30%
(that is, driving like a spec)
and therefore the overpayment is useless.
And by the way, there is the concept of a LUCKY model (pentagon for example), and this has been confirmed
by time and deeds, and those computers that you DREAM about are just (for now) an empty MARKET.

AL>> question - what kind of ISA do you need? the one that is just
AL>> 16bit, or EISA? Regarding nonsense - you would better look at
AL>> its signals, in particular - at the time parameters.

AR> well, what's wrong with the parameters? at first, at least just ISA16 about
AR> upgrade, it’s too early to think further.

What the hell is an upgrade. No matter what the Spectrum is, no one will buy it anyway,
even if you make it on one BMK without a printed circuit board, no one will take it anyway, you won’t please everyone.
Vladimir

[I ZX] [Sprinter Developer] [MGAPI-UP-1'2003] [Sprinter2000Pro] [Daewoo CPC]
[Sprinter UNofficial site: www.shaos.net/nuke/]
[Liberation of Liberia]

Vladimir

[I ZX] [Sprinter Developer] [MГАПИ-УП-1'2003] [Sprinter2000Pro] [Daewoo CPC]
[Sprinter UNofficial site: www.shaos.net/nuke/]
[Liberation of Liberia]

10 Jun 04 18:56, you wrote to Nick Patlaenko:

AR> yeah, keep your pocket wider - this is only in advertising from Xilinx
What does Altera have to do with Xilinx.
AR> everything is so cool
AR> it looks - in fact, look at such projects in their completed form
AR> more or less = sprinter and c-1; Well, what do we have, the price reaches $200
AR> for a ready-made computer;
And the price of kaya exceeds 200 bucks.
AR> new firmware and configurations are NOT coming out because
AR> the most expensive thing is the development of the firmware and no one has
AR> resources
Why do you need the hundredth version of the Pentagon. In general, you drive, and not too badly, you have to be responsible for the market. The deviants wrote the game, they needed firmware with
hardware scrolling, they made it.
AR> to bring it to mind - bugs are eternal due to the complexity;
List of bugs in the studio.
AR> ordinary
AR> users are not able to debug such a board, much less get into the
AR> firmware; compatibility - nothing compared to pentagon.
Yeah, one to one. There’s simply nowhere higher.
AR> It’s easier to make a good ZX in bulk so that there’s no need to look for
AR> all sorts of
AR> there’s ALTERA, which stops being produced after a year or two.
The Acex series has been in production for more than 7 years, and so far no one is going to stop producing it.
AR> Then he
AR> will tell you that this versionALTER is outdated and it’s impossible to get it anymore
AR> you need another $100 for the next microcosm for the new ZX
AR> (which is as powerful as a pentium-3).
The Spectrum in bulk won’t be cheaper. Gone are the days when any military factory made stamps for half a liter. Now you have to pay for everything. For example, ATM boards will most likely be made in Tolyatti, the same place where IDE controller boards are now
made.

AR> Regards.
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