ðÒÏÅËÔ PENTAGON-1024 SL
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27 May 2004 17:24, Ruslan Abdullaev wrote All:
RA> From: Ruslan Abdullaev <ra...@novomoskovsk.ru>
RA> haugh All.
RA> The original is located at http://pentagon1024.narod.ru/
RA> ----------------------------------------------------------------
RA> The best way to keep your friends is not to betray them.
RA> (From ZX-Format #8)
RA> Project PENTAGON-1024 SL
By the way, if you really look at things, the Spectrum has a chance to become a
commercial product.
Namely, now a new niche is becoming popular - minicomputers, so-called handhelds (palms) etc.). Specky has the only chance to become a commercially successful project if it is positioned in the not yet fully formed niche of handhelds:
a) make it extremely compact
b) handwriting input and recognition
c) improving the technical characteristics of Specky
d) color LCD display
d) and other things for which handhelds are loved.
Why Specky has the opportunity to takehandheld niche? Because:
a) in this area there is not yet any established standard and handhelds
use a variety of OS, software and processors
b) Speckie has a huge advantage in the form of a legacy of programs (free
by the way, which is also an advantage), a well-promoted brand, its history, entire
generations of Speckie fans
c) and much much more compared to newly promoted ones brands that
do not have a large amount of software, etc.
I repeat, Speckie DOES have a chance to be a commercial, sellable
self-sustaining and profitable project.
PS. If such a computer appears, I would not be the only one to become its owner.
But the important question is how to implement it, what will it take
how much time, money, where are the people capable of making it?
Bye Ruslan!
...Have you used the FTN package?
You can’t make it happen. Just the development of such a device costs 100 grand
bucks. If the demand is, say, a hundred pieces a month (and I highly doubt that they will buy more than 10 pieces, and then only collectors), it will cost around 800-1000 bucks. Are you ready to pay that much for it? I think - no.
If you are ready, then I can make it for you for such a price - I had a VHDL model of the Z80 somewhere in the archives, and it won’t be difficult to “finish” the rest.
I’ll put it all into one big PLUS, add a color monitor from Sotik and
a keyboard from an electronic notebook, here’s your dream. 8-)
Well, why are you buying your dream for $1000? 8-)
--
With respect, Andrey Mikheev.
May 30, 2004 (and it was 00:21 then)
Rinat Sharypov in his letter to Ruslan Abdullaev wrote:
RS> niche of handhelds: a) make it extremely compact b) handwritten
RS> input and recognition c) improving the technical characteristics of the Speckie d) color
IMHO, A 40-key keyboard would still be nice. And a 60-key keyboard wouldn't take up much space. It is difficult to adapt old programs for handwritten
input.
And the main problem is the practical impossibility of mass production. :-(
Good luck!
AM> For an 8-bit processor? Don't be ridiculous - he will die on this task. Even
AM> for modern 16 and 32-bit machines this is not at all a trivial
AM> task, and you don’t even have to stutter about the Z80.
The point is that you need a better processor, you can use existing
processors, even if not Zet X, but ensure its emulation.
By the way, in principle, you can generally use any existing
successful one as a basis handheld,
when I talk about Spectrum I meant that I, having *.tap or other Speck
files, could use them in a handheld, I just don’t know whether it’s realistic to
emulate Spec on existing handhelds.
Spec’s programs are really cool, now having an Athlone 1700 processor and a bunch of
all sorts of newfangled games, I have a Spectrum Real emulsion and I'm playing
Spekkov's games.
Bye Andrew!
On Tuesday June 01 2004 Rinat Sharypov wrote to Andrew V. Miheev:
RS> or an existing successful handheld, when I talked about the Spectrum I meant in
RS> that I had *.tap or other Speck files could use them
RS> in a handheld, I just don’t know if it’s realistic to emulate
RS> on already existing handhelds spec. Spec's
RS> programs are really cool, now having an Athlone 1700 percent and a bunch of all sorts of newfangled
RS> games, I have a Spectrum real emulsion and I play Speck's
RS> games.
It's quite possible, it's just, apparently, no one writes. If even for cell phones with Symbian OS (Nokia 7650, 3650, 3660, 6600, Nokia N-Gage, Siemens SX1, etc.) there is an emulator of the 128th spectrum with full emulation, it even emulates multicolor and AY! Those interested are welcome to www.whitecloudsoftware.com
Mobile phones in this series have ARM 32-bit RISC processors. I don't
know the clock.
Bye, Rinat!
Megus / Brainwave Team http://www.bwteam.org ICQ: 162548473
AVM> For an 8-bit processor? Don't be ridiculous - he will die on this task.
Don't be funny. The capacity of the ALU, in general, does not affect anything.
AVM> Even for modern 16 and 32-bit machines, this is not at all
AVM> a trivial task,
It’s just that literal programmers don’t know how to write software.
It is known that baboons write software for PCs in Visual Basic,
and they have difficulties with menus of more than three times nesting...
>> c) improving the technical characteristics of the Speckie
AVM> Which ones? If you improve something, it will no longer be a Speckie.
It will be a super-Spectrum.
AG> IMHO, a 40-key keyboard would still be nice. And a 60-key not
AG> would take up a lot of space. It is difficult to adapt old programs for handwriting
AG> input.
What programs are you planning to adapt for handwriting input? There are none
just...
02 June 2004 11:00, Konstanteen Denisov wrote Rinat Sharypov:
KD> If we talk about handhelds, then this can be classified as
KD> “portable pocket microcomputer”
Well, at least I agree with myself that microcomputer.
KD> I personally most likely will not do this, since the hardware
KD> of 10 years ago fully satisfies my needs.
KD> Of all the Spectrum clones, I like the Pentagon and those 48
KD> clones the most , which are assembled on loose paper, and not on the so-called “spinning top”.
What is this educational program for?
Bye Konstanteen!
> AVM> They are loved for their memory capacity, universal OS and partial compatibility with
> AVM> desktop machines. None of this was on the Z80, is not present and will not be.
> The new version of Windows-ZX will be converted for 8-bit processors.
> For this purpose, a special
> 4-D phragics accelerator adapted for the 8-bit processor will be integrated on the Pentagon board,
> and a 5-D accelerator sound.
> >> b) handwriting input and recognition
> AM> For an 8-bit processor? Don't be ridiculous - he will die on this task. Even
> AM> for modern 16 and 32-bit machines is not at all a trivial
> AM> task, and you don’t even have to stutter about the Z80.
> So the point is that you need a better processor, you can use existing
> processors, even if not Zet X, but provide its emulation.
01 Jun 04 (and it was then 22:31)
Rinat Sharypov in his letter to Andrew V. Miheev wrote:
RS> So the point is that you need a better processor, you can use already
RS> existing processors, even if not Zet X, but provide its
RS> emulation. By the way, in principle, you can generally use any existing successful handheld as the basis, I was talking about the Spectrum in
RS> in mind that I, having *.tap or other Speck files, could use them
RS> in a handheld, I just don’t know whether it’s realistic to emulate
RS> on existing handhelds. Spec's
RS> programs are really cool, I now have an Athlone 1700 processor and a bunch of all sorts of newfangled
RS> games, I have a Spectrum real emulsion and I play Spec's
RS> games.
There was a spec's emul for Palm OS, look for it on the net. I don’t know what it looks like on the handheld screen. I haven’t looked. Creating a commercial handheld from spec is unrealistic. The handheld niche is divided between machines on Palm OS and between machines on Pocket PC
(Win CE), all the rest (which still remain) occupy no more than a percent.
Bye, Rinat!
WBR, Alexander...
... e-mail: c...@cmail.info.kuzbass.net
07 June 2004 15:15, Andrew V. Miheev wrote Rinat Sharypov:
>> AM> Stop there in your fantasies... 8-)
>> Smart as a vutka, in order to play spec I need to buy
>> athlone 1700+.
AM> If this is a problem for you, then it’s too early for you to play - first learn to work
AM>. 8-)
If I already have it, how can this be a problem?
I don’t want to spend a flame on you. And in general, if you don’t have another topic, you couldn’t
not participate in communication at all.
As we say, kutengne oyret.
Bye Andrew!
... Mongnarim uynamiy
Good afternoon.
> >> Smart as a nut, in order to play spec I need to buy
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> >> Athlone 1700+.
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And it was morning, and there was a day on June 08, 04, and once Alexander Kotov wrote to Rinat
Sharypov about _RE: Project PENTAGON-1024 SL_.
AK> There was an emul spec for Palm OS, look for it on the net. I don’t know what the
AK> handheld looks like on the screen, I haven’t looked. Creation from a commercial spec
I apologize for supporting this boring topic, but I can’t help myself...
I have a PalmSpec, it’s complete crap (I don’t have a flame, I use an emulsifier), the screen
breaks into 4 parts and between them you can switch by poking the stylus on the screen, emulit
only 48th with tape (or even only takes snapshots) and is very slow, for example, scene 1 of the hobit appears minutes later... I couldn’t wait.
Bye!
And it was morning, and it was the day of June 08, 04, and once Andrew V. Miheev wrote to Grigory
Klimenko about _Re: Project PENTAGON-1024 SL_.
>> Even the bourgeoisie, who have a very large selection of computers, release their own models
>> Spectrums.
AVM> Really? Massively? And they buy them? Examples in the studio!
Amstard Spectrum +3e (with flash drive, its own dossier, idea, a lot of RAM, Ethernet
10 mbit and much more)
In China they make educational computers based on spec, only they load on
cartridges (something like those that were on interface 1)
Although this is no longer as massively as it was before.
>> And they don’t even disdain downloading from MAFONA!
AVM> From which MAFONA? I haven’t had it at home for five years now. 8-)
And I have:
By the way, I had an idea...
Use a tape port to connect a mouse, cat and modem (RS-232)... and if
there were similar geniuses who also thought like me, then I would like to talk to them
Bye!
And here is a phrase from the Russian-language history of the Spectrum: End of 1988 - Amstrad
stopped producing all Spectrum models. I checked it - went to
www.amstrad.com. Spectrum is mentioned only in the description of one product - Amstrad emailer Plus. It has nothing in common except the ability to launch Spectrum toys with a real Spectrum.