A letter open to everyone
ZXNet echo conference «real.speccy»
too late to revive... see below.
AK> smile, someone will just say a bad word. But I need information and
AK> your opinion, All.
ok. tankere... Specky died. didn't die completely, but died so that it would be bought at least half as often as x86. No programs are written on it that would satisfy the capabilities of the average user. On top of everything else, in the current configuration he has no chance of having similar programs in his soft luggage. There is only one solution to this problem: change
configuration! but we can see what comes of this from the example of
Sprinter. the development of an essentially new computer, its production, support
of programmers in order to saturate the software market - all this results in a lot of money.
Consequently, a new computer will cost a lot of money. Note: this is a computer
for which there is almost no software yet!.. let's leave the fairy tales that there will soon be software to the children; remember the Sprinter situation.
a stillborn child is what the “new Spectrum” is... alas.
The Spectrum, like the Commodore, cannot be revived. his evolutionary path is over. The only niche in which he can now rule (and rules) is demomaking. ideal computer for demo.
I see the only upgrade that can be done nowto Specky -
percent quickly... so that the new demos don't slow down ;)
AK> We'll talk about the AZX project.
forget it... nothing will come of it. It will turn out to be something worthwhile only if
it costs about the same as a regular Scorpion
(well, maybe twice as expensive) and fully supports the old software
while having a bunch of new things...
// under no circumstances should you write me down as a spectrum hater.
I love and respect Spectrum. but it is not possible to see him somewhere doing office work (x86 niche) or graphics or video (Amiga niche). alas... the train has left.
z^rzl [zx] [amiga] [bare hat; jeg hater.]
np: Judas Iscariot "...Of Great Eternity"
27 Jan 00 19:25, Zmej Serow -> Andreas Kaiser:
ZS> The Spectrum, like the Commodore, cannot be revived. his evolutionary path is over. the only niche in which he can now
ZS> rule (and rules) is demomaking. an ideal computer for demo.
I'll clarify. "New Spectrum" is no longer a Spectrum. The evolution is over, yes.
As for ideality for the demo, that’s not my area of expertise. But for many, the Spectrum remains the only normal computer. For many, it is their own
child, created with their own hands (right now I’ll tell you: not a member ;)).
You can put it this way: Spectrum, for me personally, as a computer scientist, is like Jesus
Christ for believers.
I don’t know how else to express my thought. Kirill Frolov will flame and say everything for me - he is better at expressing thoughts ;)
ZS> I love and respect Spectrum. but to see him
ZS> anywhere
ZS> doing office work (niche x86) or graphics, video (niche
ZS> Amiga) does not seem possible. alas... the train has left.
I agree, but still - RULEZZ. And I won’t be able to fall asleep if I don’t look at the Spekov screen before going to bed... :)
And the toys on the Spectrum are still more fun. Although I may be a pervert for wire graphics, it doesn’t and never will be better and more soulful.
With respect,Alexey
Don’t go too far - for everyone, the platform with which they started is the best. I started on Speccy, and now I have become “multi-platform”, because I write
web-applications that run on any platform. However, I, like other Spectrum owners, love him more than anyone else, even if they are better. That’s why I opened the project, now it’s just for myself.
Night, cemetery, grave, silence... 14:39. And here comes Andreas, trying to tell All.
AK> “Evolution” ended with the collapse of Sir Clive, when he was forced to sell
AK> the company and the name Amstrad, which should not have taken advantage of it.
Or rather, there was no niche for him in the market.
AK> This is it that's right. Like Buratino. Only Papa Carlo bought the alphabet
AK> for Buratino with his last money, but you don’t want it.
I want it. Only there are no money. There are brains, but no money. This is probably because I serve in the army. There's a lot of pressure there these days with money, and I'm at risk of losing my last brains.
AK> Don't go too far - for everyone, the platform with which they started is the best. I
AK> started on Speccy, now I have already become “multi-platform”, because I write web-applications that run under any platform. However, I, like
AK> other owners of the Spectrum, love it more than anyone else, even if they
AK> are better. That’s why I opened the project, now it works only for myself.
January 27, 2000 at 7:25:37 pm: Zmej Serow wrote to Andreas Kaiser
January 30, 2000 at 11:00:50 pm: I replied to Zmej Serow
ZS> a stillborn child - that’s what the “new Spectrum” is...
ZS> alas.
NO! See below!!!!!!
ZS> The Spectrum, like the Commodore, cannot be revived. his evolutionary
ZS> path is over. the only niche in which he can now rule (and rules) is demomaking. ideal computer
ZS> for demo.
Almost.
ZS> // under no circumstances should you sign me up as
ZS> spectrum haters. I love and respect Spectrum. but
ZS> to see him somewhere doing office work
ZS> (x86 niche) or graphics, video (Amiga niche) does not seem possible. alas... the train has left.
Oh, your horizons are narrow! Is this all that computers are capable of? Office and
video? Hmm... Narrow. There are dozens more niches that the NEW Spectrum can occupy under normal configuration... Which ones? Off the top of my head: a home gaming computer, a replacement for all sorts of segas and dandies (for those who can’t afford a PC). In addition to games, it is an excellent educational tool for computer literacy. Here you need a powerful and inexpensive video processor. More? Building security system. Until recently, one of the Odessa companies had a Spectrum and it controlled surveillance cameras. I don’t
know what’s going on in that company now, because... my friend who worked in thiscompany, and who wrote programs for them left it. Maybe it still stands there to this day. Not a single virtuoso PC hacker can handle such a thing. No experience. After all, less and less often people get the beginnings of computer literacy on the Spectrum, and in universities they don’t even teach this. In general, where automation is required, a Spectrum may be suitable, but for this you need the RIGHT APPROACH in its creation!!!!!
Precisely in creation, and not in unfounded shaking of air. I need a new Spectrum. The best one right now. And every day I begin to doubt more and more
that I already need another platform... Different from the Spectrum...
zy: Spectrum is not dying... We ourselves are burying it alive... Well... To the
sound of fanfare, let's continue to do this... Amen...
zyme: after reading the characteristics of the eZ80, I shuddered just at the thought of what kind of car it would be, If only the characteristics of the processor inspire such blog adoration,
then
what kind of computer could it be... If someone makes a BEAUTIFUL
computer based on it, I will give any money for it... Someone will shout that there will be no software for it, well, let him shout. I have a head on my shoulders and a desire to
write under it and I can feed myself...
Good luck Zmej! Let's get away again!
Sincerely, Priest from Energy Minds!
-@- E-Mail: prie...@usa.com
... Energy Minds from Freedom & X-Project. Sinclair generation.
>AK> As for what concerns the project - stop this topic. For you, the project is dead.
More
>AK> you will not hear a word about it. It's a pity to be misunderstood, it's a pity.
>STOP! I didn’t even know... Maybe be more detailed? You know, I also have something in my thoughts and on paper. MAYBE our projects rhyme?
January 30, 2000 at 14:39:32: reani...@nikocity.de wrote to All
January 31, 2000 at 23:18:59: I answered reani...@nikocity.de
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r> No comments, I think everyone here thinks the same.
r> As for what concerns the project - drop this topic. For you
r> the project is dead. You won't hear a word about him again.
r> It's a pity to be misunderstood, it's a pity.
It's disgusting for me to hear this.... Do you know what this all reminds me of? I’ll explain right now.
The Spectrum can be compared to a child. Who lives and tries to grow up, gain strength, become smarter and more experienced... But then the supporting parents appear (that's us, speckie users) and say: “You are dead for us! Because you are trying to grow up and
you will not be the same as you were born! We are giving up on you! That’s it...” Well, how is it similar??? Are you sitting on your stump? Well, sit down! But real-life people need a grown Spectrum!
I don’t understand why the hell you’re yelling at all corners that the Spectrum is dying? He is now at such a stage that one more step and he has already reached his limit! He will reach a dead end of monotony (this process has already begun if you haven’t noticed). It needs new
breath,
so that an endless field of action and
possibilities will open up for our great minds. Similar statementsyou're just cutting off oxygen and preventing people from doing anything! If coordinated measures are not taken now, then the further process will go like a locomotive that cannot be stopped - OBLIGATION... It will die... You are already creating all the
prerequisites...
Good luck reani...@nikocity.de! We'll get away again!
30 Jan 00 23:00, Alex Shashkevich wrote to Zmej Serow:
AS> Oh, and your horizons are narrow! Is this all that computers are capable of?
AS> Office and video? Hmm... Narrow. There are dozens more niches that the NEW Spectrum can occupy
AS> with a normal configuration... Which ones? Just a heads up:
AS> home gaming computer, a replacement for all sorts of segas and dandies (for those who
AS> can’t afford a PC).
Not a replacement. The sound and graphics, even on this day, are an order of magnitude higher.
And it’s better not to even remember about Nintendo and 3D0.
AS> In addition to games, it’s an excellent educational tool for computer literacy.
Yes? And what will he teach? How to use a soldering iron correctly?
AS> Here you need a powerful and inexpensive video processor.
Why?
AS> Also? Building security system. Until recently, one of the Odessa
AS> companies had a Spectrum and it controlled surveillance cameras.
Controlled how? It doesn’t even have any holes, where should the wires be connected?
It’s better to keep silent about reliability. There are inexpensive (not in comparison with home
computers
of course) 386-486 all-on-one-board computers. Well, there’s also a flash drive and there’s DOS or even Windows. Made to be embedded anywhere, from refrigerators
to machine tools. And the Spectrum is no good here.
AS> Not a single virtuoso PC hacker can handle such a thing.
That’s right, there won’t be a hacker. With suchany vocational school student can cope with the thing.
AS> After all, less and less often people get the cobs of computer
AS> literacy on the Spectrum, and in universities they don’t even teach this kind of thing.
What kind of computer literacy is on the Spectrum? It looks more like a dandy.
AS> In general, where automation is required, a Spectrum may be suitable, but
AS> this requires the RIGHT APPROACH in its creation!!!!! It is in
AS> creation, and not in unfounded shaking of air. I need a new
AS> Spectrum. The best one right now. And every day I start more and more
You won’t need it in a month, people like you are shaking the air
with all sorts of tornadoes and other monsters. Well, they made a sprinter, did you buy it?
AS> PS: The Spectrum is not dying... We ourselves are burying it alive... Well
AS> well... Let's continue to do this to the sounds of fanfare... Amen...
At least bury it in the ground! It’s standing nearby and won’t go anywhere.
AS> zyzy: after reading the characteristics of the eZ80, I shuddered just at the thought
AS> of what kind of machine it would be, if only the characteristics of the processor
AS> inspire such blogging, then what kind of computer it could be...
And where will it come from? In general, this processor is not intended for computers.
AS> If someone makes a GREAT computer based on it, I will give
AS> any money for it...
Don’t like Sprinter anymore?
AS>Someone will shout that there will be no software for it, so let
AS> shout. I have a head on my shoulders and a desire to write for it and I
AS> can feed myself...
Yes? Hundreds of thousands of programmers work for the computer. And you alone, in
your entire life, will not be able to write even a thousandth part of the volume
of software available on your computer. And there is no way to transfer the software and there will not be, because
8-bit processors are long overdue for the trash.
... no day without speccy!
Sunday January 30 2000 23:00, Alex Shashkevich ─── Zmej Serow:
AS> you need a powerful and inexpensive video processor. More? Security system
AS> of buildings. Until recently, one of the Odessa companies had a Spectrum and it
AS> controlled surveillance cameras.
How exactly did it control it? Pressed a button - the camera went up, pressed another one - down? Any logic circuit can handle this...
AS> Maybe it still stands there to this day. Not a single PC
AS> virtuoso hacker can handle such a thing. No experience.
Is this the whole criterion? And if experience appears, then what will be the level of
reliability? Will it reach at least “3B” (three be) reliability class?
AS> is not taught. In general, where automation is required,
AS> Spectrum may be suitable, but this requires the RIGHT APPROACH in its creation!!!!!
Hmm. Yesssss, not everywhere, but only in very, very simple cases.
AS> Precisely in creation, and not in unfounded shaking of air.
Hmm. Then let's do it this way. First of all, which system reliability standards will we apply? Secondly, what kind of reliability class will we be applying for?
Good luck! Evgeny. (Aka 2:5057/18.73) ■ The night is shorter than the day... The day will kill me... The world of illusions burns down in it. (C) Aria.
Again, I already wrote, but I will repeat - Spectrum will never die until the last fan dies. I was just on the website of a German club - there pensioners rejoice like children if they soldered the Plus D interface to themselves. And from now on they don’t think about whether it’s worth doing it or not. They are kicking as hard as they can just at the thought that the Spectrum already has 4MB of memory and crying that they can’t watch Russian demos or play Russian games. They know very well what Russian programmers on Speccy are capable of and they are tearing the hair out of their ass at the thought that they have to watch it all in emulsion. It is precisely these people, who do not think about the meaning of the Spectrum's development, who will
keep this platform alive. I understand perfectly well the situation in Russia and your situation, but nevertheless you make the best software. Compare even the latest demos from Russia and abroad. This is not licking your butt - this is a fact that will remain a fact today and tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. That's why I opened the project, and that's why I came to you with the idea. And the first letter
received on this issue back then at the conference of the Yaroslavl museum was a pure mockery of everything that I proposed. And almost the same reaction occurs here from the majority. Mr. Knyazev even wrote to me that “we don’t need this,” meaning, it seems, the whole echo.Well, it’s not necessary, it’s not necessary.
Sorry for the trouble, you won’t hear a word from me about the project anymore.
Those who are really interested in this will write to me and we’ll sort it out ourselves
. And please don’t tell me that by saving you all from
unnecessary information, I’m lowering the platform. On the contrary, I raise it, but
unnoticed by you, so as not to receive more such letters in the spirit of “you can’t,
forget, die”
With respect
Andreas
02 Feb 00 Denis Markelov write to Kirill Frolov about "A letter open to all":
DM> [von with meat]
KF>> volume of software. But there is no way to transfer the software and there never will be, because 8-bit processors are long overdue for the trash heap.
DM> But here you are wrong. Gameboy Tomy is a very good confirmation.
DM> Gameboy, Gameboy Color, And now - Gameboy Advanced - everything is in 180.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
motorola
DM> My opinion is that if we do something new, then it’s a pocket
DM> spectrum with a color matrix so that the cylinder head would be cheaper.
bigger screen == it won’t be cheaper.
good luck. http://chaosite.com
random.concern chaos. mailto:ran...@chaosite.com
... You can’t think culturally with a sober head...(c)
[Monday 3 } 2000] at [15:37:59] Andreas Kaiser wrote a letter to All.
They discussed the topic "Re: A letter open to everyone." Let's continue what we started...
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AK> Mr. Knyazev even
AK> wrote to me that
AK> “we don’t need this,” meaning, it seems, the whole echo. Well, no,
AK> it’s not necessary.
I wrote: “we won’t be able to buy it” and “we realized it too late.” Slightly
different things, agree. Yes, now you can easily get a bunch of free stuff
(TTL-DIP) from the PC and other little things, BUT:
PCB + CPU is $$$. That's a lot of $$$. It will always sell
only for $$$. All this and what is written above applies to Russia and the CIS only. $
in Russia is a value with a variable positive increment coefficient.
Are there any objections? Just don’t say that a true Spectrumist (in the best sense of the word) will take off his last pants, but will buy this Miracle. I also know that money is being earned. This is the financial side.
More. IMHO. Maybe it will be “easier” for everyone (including me) if your Monstrum is not
mentioned in the context of Speck in his cash configuration? That is,
a completely new, _different_ platform on a Z80-compatible processor.
The Spectrum scene is too inertial (I hope it’s clear that the _main_ZX models,
which were/are being produced over a _long_time_ serially
[Russia, CIS], in _large_quantities_ are computers with the resources
of the performance of the ZX-Spectrum) so that just like that, right away, you can perceive a computer with
SUCH capabilities. Will these new RESOURCES be used at least 99% (massively writing NEW software for a NEW machine?) or will a huge amount of 128K software (if the computer “promises” at least 98% ZX compatibility) will simply work “a little
faster”?... There is not enough platform performance/capabilities - change the platform! The choice is great. Or maybe this is the notorious PC race for megahertz and
megabytes?...
And the last thing. Everything _new_ in the field of hard and software has always been received with a bang by Spectrumists, only during "de facto" such events. We have already been fed with demo versions and promises of “coming soon”. Isn't this one of the main
reasons for the skepticism (not "obscurity"!) that falls on your project? If you make a car, do it! Someone
helps you - wonderful! Only they _expect_ from you not empty talk ("whoever is not with us is against us!"), when the project is only "on paper", but a real message
"... a _ready_ printed circuit board with assembly documentation and a processor can
be ordered there and costit
will be so much...". After that, of course, you will say that I am
"lazy" and a "slower of progress" or something even stronger ;(. Speak...
2All: Is there at least some sober truth in my words?
Sincerely, Felix.
[I ZX]
DM> But here you are wrong. Gameboy Tomy is a very good confirmation.
DM> Gameboy, Gameboy Color, And now - gameboy advanced - all in 280
AI> I'll clarify. "New Spectrum" is no longer a Spectrum. Evolution is over,
AI> yes. As for ideality for a demo, that’s not my expertise. But the Spectrum for
AI> remains the only normal computer for many. For many, this is
AI> their own child, created with their own hands (I’ll tell you right now: not
AI> a member ;)).
from which it follows that this is a computer purely for the soul. 4demos.
AI> You can put it this way: Spectrum, for me personally, as a computer geek, is
AI> like Jesus Christ for believers.
almost similar 8)
AI> I don’t know how else to express my thought. Kirill Frolov will flame and
AI> will say everything for me - he is better at expressing thoughts ;)
8)
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AI> I agree, but still - RULEZZ. And I won’t be able to fall asleep if I don’t look at the Speck screen before going to bed... :)
uh-huh.. ;~)
AI> And the toys on the Spectrum are still more fun. Although I may be a pervert for
AI > wire graphics, but it doesn’t and never will be better and more soulful.
by the way, all these crafts like frontier and other elites on PC/Amiga look
for some reason much worse than the good old wire-3d elite on ZX...
AS> Oh, your horizons are narrow! Is this all that computers are capable of?
AS> Office and video? Hmm... Narrow.
The narrowness of my horizons is not for you to discuss, sorry.
AS> There are still dozens of niches that the NEW Spectrum
AS> can occupy with a normal configuration... Which ones? Just a note: a home gaming
AS> computer,
consoles cope with this much better.
AS> is an excellent computer literacy educational device. Here we need
hmm. This can be perfectly learned on a regular Spectrum. for training
a video processor and gigahertz are not needed.
on top of everything else, it is impossible to learn “computer literacy” in the modern
understanding of this word on the ZX. This phrase now
understands knowledge at the user level of Microsoft products, and not the ability
to compose programs on a Vasik.
AS> expensive video processor. More? Building security system. Until recently, one of the Odessa companies had a Spectrum and it controlled surveillance cameras. I don’t know what’s going on in that company now, because... my friend
AS> who worked in this company and wrote programs for them, left it.
AS> Maybe he is still there to this day. No virtuoso hacker can handle such a thing. No experience.
huuh. you've screwed yourself over. 8)
who will write software for this? What kind of company director is in his right mind?will he buy an unknown machine that is not compatible with Pentium (TV advertising does its job) and has no software? For your information, on PC there are
quite a lot of complexes for remote monitoring of objects
with acceptable intelligent software.
AS> and less often people get the beginnings of computer literacy on the Spectrum, and in
AS> universities and even less so they don’t teach this.
and They are doing the right thing, since n years ago they chose a PC for “computerization of the national economy.” Imagine that some university doesn’t have a PC. All training is conducted exclusively on ZX. and who will need such “specialists”? not knowing the notorious 1c-accounting, word, excel, access? programmers, even some of them will be unfit to sit down at a PC right away. you will first have to independently
study all the means of modern programming for win9x...
AS> In general, where automation is required, a Spectrum may be suitable, but for this you need the CORRECT APPROACH in its creation!!!!!
believe me, where automation is required, quite the dear Z80A can handle it.
the new Spectrum with a 32-bit processor and a ton of memory didn’t hit the mark -
it’s like shooting sparrows from a cannon.
application can be found, by the way, in car satellite navigation systems, yes. There 32bit and 4Gb are just right. but where is the software? cheaper
to deliverthere the same Motorola with ready-made software usw...
AS> It is in creation, and not in unfounded shaking of air. I need
AS> a new Spectrum. The best time is now. And every day I begin
AS> to doubt more and more that I already need another platform...
AS> Different from the Spectrum...
buy Sinclair-QL, Sam Coupe. it's cooler than the usual Pentagon.
don't you want it? why?
AS> PS: Spectrum doesn’t die... It’s us who bury it alive... Well
it’s already been buried for a long time. by the state. still at the dawn of “computerization.”
AS> zyzy: after reading the characteristics of the eZ80, I shuddered just at the thought
AS> what kind of machine it would be, if only the characteristics of the processor inspire such
AS> blog adoration, then what kind of machine could it be? computer...
have you read the characteristics of Crusoe? percent from Transmeta? If they had done code-morphing of Zilog's commands in it, it would have been a problem. imagine x86, Motorola and Z380 in one bottle. and many times faster than the currently existing processors.
AS> If someone makes an EXCELLENT computer based on it, I will give
AS> any money for it... Someone will shout that there will be no software for it, well, let him shout. I have a head on my shoulders and a desire
AS> to write for it and I can feed myself...
then start creating such a computer if you have a head.;)
MT> Video is not a niche for Amiga, sorry... This is what SUN,
MT> Silicon are doing now... And Amiga is a standard for digital sound, and at
MT> it is “friendly” to the user. It's a pleasure to work with her.
I meant stations for non-linear editing. and videos - they are obviously best produced on SGI - the computing power there is greater. although on TornadoPPC, if you have talent, you can do
a lot...
// we're done with the offtopic. Let's go now :)
>> ZS> anywhere engaged in office work (x86 niche) or
>> ZS> graphics, video (Amiga niche) does not seem possible.
AK> For ZS - this is not necessary, this will not happen. This could not have happened.
What is needed? what will happen?
home computer? - Amiga. Internet? - first compile for ZX *nix.
training? - pc. remains a demoscene... and for demo, believe me, new perspectives of
hardware are not really needed.
DM> new - it’s a pocket spectrum with a color matrix, so that
DM> the cylinder head is cheaper.
It won’t work out cheaper than Nintendo - they are already selling at a loss ;)
I was with you http://fatality.8m.com
Ars^FTL mailto:a...@chaosite.com
FK> I wrote: “we won’t be able to buy it” and “we realized it too late.”
FK> Slightly different things, agree. Yes, now you can easily get
FK> a bunch of free stuff (TTL-DIP) from the PC and other little things, BUT:
[...]
FK> 2All: Is there at least some sober truth in my words?
at least remember the extended GMX modes. The hammock was made some time ago, it costs
about the same as any other Spectrum monster project. and
produced by the most common company - Scorpio. so where? and there.
that's it.
I repeat once again - as soon as everything is ready, it will all appear on the Internet. And about prices - how can I know your prices? This event may
happen in at least six months, who knows what will happen then? About idle talk - you are in vain. These were never words in the spirit of “he who is not with us is against us.” NEVER! It was always either brief information about the project
(the thread “An open letter to everyone”) or just an invitation to work together
(message from Ars here almost a year ago). And I never promised you anything,
everywhere it was clearly written “I want to see this car with such and such
opportunities,” but nowhere was (and will not be) “starting from 2000
you and I will all together change to our AZX".
This mode is comparable only to CGA, which is not enough for you anymore, because it’s offtopic
you’ve seen enough. You need SVGA and this can be done by plowing the entire board from start to finish. But only after this you will get a new car, which will COST MONEY, but which you don’t have. Therefore, it is better to stop any discussions like “I want this”. Better save up for the Sprinter, it's worth it. And then we will no longer think about all sorts of monsters, etc.
The problem is that people here want something, but there is no money for this “something”.
And it is not the fault of these people, not at all! Then it’s just not worth having
any conversations here about new architecture, etc., but adhere to the opinion of
Captain Nemo and write demos under 64KB.
Regards
Andreas
r> I don’t even understand whether this soap is for me or not. Most likely to come to me. Well, then, let's start point by point:
I think I wrote to you. :) But it turned out to be a bit of a mess. Read on. :)
r> in his terrible English what and how, but asked not to publish anything
r> yet, since the matter is far from being fully developed. And do you know what he answered me? He offered me
r> the help of a French engineer.
Wow, I screwed up... Sorry... I just couldn’t figure out who wrote it. I just
noticed the line “that’s it, the project is dead”, well that hurt me... And it’s scary... :)
February 2, 2000 at 4:57:26 p.m.: Denis Markelov wrote to Kirill Frolov
February 5, 2000 at 10:32:40 a.m.: I replied to Denis Markelov
KF>> You won’t need him in a month, the air is like
KF>> like you and shaking all sorts of tornadoes and other
KF>> monsters. They made a sprinter, did you buy it?
DM> By the way, all the above requirements are satisfied by
DM> Sprinter.
Oh well???? 2 computers in 1 package??? Here's the rules!!!! There the spec lives on its own, and
all the bells and whistles are on their own! Don't you know that all the bells and whistles there work in non-spectrum mode? Well, what else do you want? Who needs a left-hand computer?
Everyone asked for a new Spectrum, and not a new platform on the z80...
KF>> Don’t like Sprinter anymore?
DM> And it’s always like this: Give it to us, give it to us!! Here you go! Oh, this is not what
DM> we wanted... Give it to us, give it!
Did they really do exactly what everyone wanted?
Good luck Denis! We'll get away again!
04 Feb 00 00:45, Alex Shalin wrote to Denis Markelov:
DM>> But here you are wrong. Gameboy Tomy is a very good confirmation.
DM>> Gameboy, Gameboy Color, And now - Gameboy Advanced - all at 80
DM>> My opinion is that if we do something new, it will be a pocket
DM>> Spectrum with a color matrix, so that the cylinder head is cheaper
AS> Heh, you Fatality Have you been bribed lately? ;-)
And I thought the same thing, that it’s possible. I definitely wasn't bribed.
AK> If you want it that way, then don’t mention all Scorpios, Pros and
AK> everything else that goes beyond the scope of the Z80+128K+AY+TR-DOS configuration.
Pro is a real spectrum, many people have it.
And “Monstrum”?
AK> there is no “special” software and there never will be. And then, does the Pentagon
AK> promise at least 98% compatibility with the original? What about everyone else?
Who needs this compatibility now? By the way, she is. Only
from the original to the Pentagon, but not vice versa.
AK> Enough already, you and I have already sorted it out through soap.
:) The “showdown” continues. :) But that's not the point. The thought at the beginning
of the paragraph is important.
AK> And about prices - how do I know your prices? This
AK> event could
AK> happen in at least six months, who knows what will happen then?
The elections of the new President of Russia will already be behind us...
AK> About
AK> idle talk - you are in vain.
Come on, shower us with docks at a percentage point in Monstrum. OK? In formats readable on
real machines. PDF and HTM don't work. Bombard us with a list of features of the “paper” version of Monstrum at this moment. Throw in any information on this topic! Where is she?
Everyone has already forgotten what happened half a year ago! IN REAL.SPECKI
(echo for REALists!) I have never seen anything like this (“sleeping” as always)!
AK> These were never words in the spirit of
AK> “whoever is not with us is
AK> is against us.” NEVER!
Well, of course... ;(
AK> It was always either brief
AK> information on the project
Too brief.
AK> (message from Ars here almost a year ago).
And that's all? Yes!
AK> And I never promised you
AK> anything,
AK> it was clearly written everywhere “I want to see this car with such
AK> then
AK>opportunities", but it didn’t stand (and won’t stand) anywhere
AK> “starting from 2000
AK> we will all move together to our AZX.”
:) We didn’t move.
This is called preliminary clearing of the paths to retreat.
If the project appears in hardware, I’ll take these words back.
AK> already twice here, but God loves the trinity. Forget about
AK> the existence of the project!
Is it really a _personal_ insult?!
AK> At least while we are still working on the car. I won't
AK> feed you any more
AK> with “dreams about the super Spectrum” (and I never did
AK> That's it, the topic
AK> is closed.
Read). "clogged".
AK> But you are also wrong about the paper plans - in ZX.SPECTRUM
AK> there was a message
AK> about the appearance of the prototype circuit.
Well, why wasn’t it in this echo? snot.
We are waiting...
AS> Really???? 2 computers in 1 package??? Here's the rules!!!! There the spec lives on its own, and all the bells and whistles are on their own! Don't you know that all the bells and whistles there work in non-spectrum mode? Well, what else do you want? Who needs a left-handed computer? Well, they asked for a new Spectrum, and not
AS> a new platform on the z80...
Yeah... Only part of the Spectrum programs on the Monster will work
no more than 1000 cycles...
>AK> About
>AK> idle talk - you in vain.
>Curse us with docks for a percent in Monstrum. OK? In formats readable on
real machines. PDF and HTM don't work. Throw
>us a list of features of the “paper” version of Monstrum at this
>moment. Throw in any information on this topic! Where is she?
>Everyone has already forgotten what happened half a year ago! IN REAL.SPECKI
>(echo for REALists!) I have never seen anything like this ("slept" like always)!
Once, Sun Feb 06 2000 14:12, Andreas Kaiser wrote to All about [Re: A letter open to all]:
AK> “It” is necessary for the development of the Spectrum as a platform, because the skills
AK> of programmers on the Spectrum exceed the capabilities of the Spectrum itself. And
AK> perversions like 3Color and Multicolor appear.
these are not perversions - this is the Spectrum, when they do the seemingly impossible.
But there are always some people who say: “you are perverted here, and
let’s make you a million colors per point, and you won’t have to pervert...”.
So why do all this - you can install a Pentium (c)... ;)
all this is not interesting.
All the best.
Dmitry.
... LD..X-TRADE... [ZX]
One beautiful night, 06 Feb 00, the postal cockroach carried on its back
a message from Kirill Frolov to Denis Markelov:
DM>> a pocket spectrum with a color matrix, so that the cylinder head would be cheaper.
KF> I I write about computers, not about games. There is a gameboy with a Spectrum
KF> there is no need to compare it, it does not have a keyboard and a modem.
There is a keyboard, and a modem, and a camera with a screw, and a whole bunch of other things.
With respect, GodFather.
04 February 2000 you wrote here:
[...]
FK> And the last thing. Everything _new_ in the field of hard and software was always received by Spectrumists
FK> with a bang, only during “de facto” similar
FK> events. We have already been fed with demo versions and promises of “coming soon”.
FK> Isn’t this one of the main reasons for the skepticism (not “obscurity”!)
FK> that falls on your project? If you make a car, do it!
FK> someone helps you - wonderful! Only they _expect_ from you not empty talk
FK> ("whoever is not with us is against us!"), when the project is only "on paper",
FK> but a real message "..._ready_ printed circuit board with documentation for
FK> assembly and the processor can be ordered there and it will cost
FK> so much...". After this, of course, you will say that I am “lazy” and
FK> “a brake on progress” or something else stronger ;(. Speak up...
FK> 2All: Is there at least some sober truth in my words?
Personally, I agree 100% only with this quoted “last”.
All the best.
Roman.
[ZX]
06 Feb 00 14:12, Andreas Kaiser wrote to All:
AK> compare the ass with the finger. You can play this Digger and
AK> on the stump. Because such a thing as Protected Mode is a hereditary matter
AK> and is dragged along through generations.
Real Mode. And by the way, the percentage starts from it, purely from PM
you can’t even start the percentage (it needs to initialize GDT, LDT, IDT and segment descriptors
). RM is not heredity, but a necessity.
P.S.: Can you set up quoting as is customary in Fido?
[Thursday 6 } 2000] at [14:12:30] Andreas Kaiser wrote a letter to All.
They discussed the topic "Re: A letter open to everyone." Let's continue what we started...
[me, ass and finger]
[me, alcohol and demos]
[me, alcohol and CPU]
[me and “my” motto: “everyone get out of Speck”]
[me, your resentment and the future of Monstrum: “kuckle you all!”]
[dems - fun and measuring with pissies]
[MPEG3 on Specke]
["8 meters on Specke and rejoice"]
Sad. It’s very sad...
Any attempt to find out from you the MEANING of the emergence of projects like “Monstrum” now,
in the “best” case turns out to be a distortion of the meaning of my arguments (“doesn’t
make sense”), at worst - a transition to personality.
For _me_ your project has really lost all interest, since its
“founding father” is not able to soberly (without flame) discuss this topic and
counter with _real_ arguments in favor. I’m not a cynic, so I immediately took _my_
position “it makes no sense,” although I could have initially been “imbued” with the idea
“Monstrum rules!” and thereby join the ranks of your comrades, saying this
("rulez!") to you at every opportunity. I didn't. I
have had a real Speck for too long (11 years) for me to form my own opinion about
this platform:
-------- REALLY onREAL! ---------
"Monstrum" will never appear "in hardware", and if it does appear, it will not become
as popular as any other ZX clone that has been mass-produced up to this point. It will simply not be in demand...
KF>> you don’t need to compare it with a spectrum, it doesn’t have a keyboard or a modem.
DM> There’s a keyboard, a modem, a camera with a screw, and a bunch of other stuff.
Isn’t there an anti-gravity antiparticle accelerator?
KF> Isn’t there an anti-gravity accelerator of antiparticles there?
like the above devices, this accelerator exists either in a diseased brain
or in one copy in some unemployed fat pimply schoolboy
(except for the camera and printer that Nintendo sells - everything else
is uncertified (naturally) and extremely uncommon). With an equal chance
one could say that DENDY has all of the above, the meaning is absolutely the same. which there is - “in the garden”, since consoles are one thing, and personal computers are another. The tasks are completely different.
OOPS! I mixed up the names, well, it happens, because it’s not every day that you come across these things. I'm sorry. And about the start - that's what I meant. After all
if you run some DOS 3.3 on this stump, then it won’t get more than three
out of the stump.
With respect
Andreas
Aaaaaah! Still, you admit the possibility of appearing “in hardware” :) But
I wouldn’t argue about popularity - time will tell. And if there is popularity, then you will be tearing your hair out on your ass from frustration that you once treated the project like that. And even if there is no popularity, you will still tear it up, because... then at least the car will be alive!
And yet, how cunning you are, Felix Knyazev! You write all sorts of nasty things to me, but here you treat me like a person. Do you think it’s worth publishing our correspondence here? Aren't you afraid?
Without respect of any kind, because everything disappeared after communicating with you
Andreas
> Sincerely, Felix.
04 Feb 00 18:47, Zmej Serow wrote to Andreas Kaiser:
ZS> when you don’t hear about it, it means they didn’t revive it, but made a new
ZS> gadget. and for 800 bucks “for the Internet” I’d rather take some
ZS> stump/PPC on diesel fuel - more reliable and obviously more software.
Microsoft and fewer viruses.
ZS> home computer? - Amiga. Internet? - first compile for ZX
ZS> *nix. education? - pc. remains a demoscene... and for demo, believe me, new
ZS> hardware perspectives are not really needed.
Well, it depends on what kind of demo.
ZS> hmm. This can be perfectly learned on a regular Spectrum. for
ZS> training, a video processor and gigahertz are not needed.
On the Spectrum you will learn to use a soldering iron and asm microcontrollers.
Then even for 486 the code turns out like for the Z80, everything is tailored for 8 bits...
ZS> on top of everything else, learn “computer literacy” in modern
ZS> understanding this word on the ZX is impossible. This phrase
ZS> is now understood as knowledge at the user level of Microsoft products, and
ZS> not the ability to compose programs on Vasik.
What did you think? BASIC is already for the advanced ;-)
But seriously, who needs this BASIC with a zettenik?
So, after Spectrum, you can write a super-duper
virus for Windows that will wipe out the flash for everyone?
ZS> on PC there are quite a lot of remote monitoring complexes
ZS> for objects, with acceptable intelligent software.
Ugu, on the Spectrum this is simply impossible.
ZS> believe me, where automation is required, the dear Z80A will handle it quite well.
ZS> the new Spectrum with a 32-bit processor and a ton of memory is not stuck there
ZS> - it’s the same as shooting sparrows from a cannon.
Yes, the cannon is also a toy...
07 Feb 00 22:00, Andreas Kaiser wrote to All:
AK> in view. After all, if you run some DOS 3.3 on this stump, then
AK> it won’t squeeze more than three out of the stump.
It will squeeze out three out of the stump with a fantastic frequency, find some old tests
and have fun...
But the Z380 won’t do this. That's good, but where will you get high-speed memory
?
07 Feb 00 22:21, Andreas Kaiser wrote to All:
AK> Well, yes, it’s real! But take the Sprinter for example. From your point of view,
AK> is no longer a Spectrum, but a monster, and worst of all, “a new platform based on
AK> Z80”. After all, he has a lot of things there that are not in the original. And Mr.
AK> Frolov shouts that all the programs from Spectrum there will not work more than
AK> 1000 cycles. So, both of you, let's face it - it's not just a Spectrum, it's a
AK> Super-Spectrum and any of your demos that I ran on my
AK> Sprinter and any program work without problems. But what could you
Tell you how to hang up the sprinter?
LD DE,#1711
LD BC,#001F
L1 OUT (C),H
ADD HL,DE
JP L1
And this, by the way, is TR-DOS, turbo loaders...
AK> I am convinced that you can win by having a faster processor by pressing
To the processor and memory is not bad to have.
AK> key F12 and then everything flies on the 21st mare. And then already
Only not on the 21st, but on about 12.
AK> wire graphics don’t seem like wire at all, and multicolor really
AK> looks like that.
Whaaat??? There the multicolor will not look at all, it will remain on the border. Well, the keyboard is poor.
settlement operations. And besides, it is possible to send large amounts of information
using DMA, or am I wrong?
Regards
Andreas
> AK> wire graphics don’t seem like wire at all, but multicolor really
> AK> looks like one.
> Whaaat??? There the multicolor will not look at all, it will remain on
> the border. Well, the keyboard is poor.
Once, Tue Feb 08 2000 01:43, Kirill Frolov wrote to Zmej Serow about [Open
letter to everyone]:
KF> On the Spectrum you will learn to use a soldering iron and asm
KF> microcontrollers.
KF> Then even for 486 the code turns out like for Z80, everything is designed for 8 bit
KF>...
yeah, this only rules on the Spectrum, and there it will turn out to be a slow suck ;)
AK>> the skills of the programmers on the Spectrum exceed the capabilities of the
AK>> Spectrum itself. And perversions like 3Color and Multicolor appear.
DL> these are not perversions - this is Spectrum, when they do the seemingly
DL> impossible. But there are always some people who say: “you are being perverted here
DL>, but let’s make you a million flowers per point, and
DL> you won’t need to be perverted...”. So why do all this - you can
DL> install a pentium (with)... ;) all this is not interesting.
If you are more interested in perverting, pervert for God's sake, who's stopping you. And
some people, by the way, can
find another use for their home computer.
On the other hand, how many things can be, with a million colors per point,
perverted: -P
With respect, Michael Kritskiy.
09 Feb 00 00:24, Michael Kritskiy wrote to Dmitry Lomov:
MK> And on the other hand, how much can you, with a million colors at
MK> point, pervert :-P
Not at all. The Spectrum will clear such a screen in a few seconds.
08 Feb 00 22:35, Andreas Kaiser wrote to All:
AK> the problem manifests itself during settlement operations. And besides, it is possible to throw
AK> large amounts of information using DMA, or am I wrong?
Ask cool coders and all sorts of demo makers on _PC_,
how they can do it faster... And also read all sorts of docs on
PCI bus. Yesterday is DMA.
AK> Who, memory? Quite possible. We need to ask Ivan how this
AK> is implemented there and what speeds are achieved.
Small. You're not looking at megahertz, but at real performance.
My Pentium without cache slows down like a three-ruble note.
>
>Dmitry Lomov schrieb in Nachricht
><9498...@p25.f675.n5030.z2.fidonet.ftn>...
>> Hello, Andreas!
>> AK> perversions like 3Color and Multicolor appear.
>>this is not perversion - this is Spectrum, when they do the seemingly impossible.
>>But there are always some people who say: “you’re being perverted here, and
>>let’s make you a million colors per point, and you don’t need to pervert
>it won’t be....”
>>So why do all this - you can put a Pentium (c)... ;)
>>all this is not interesting.
You’re absolutely right! This is the Spectrum, but at the Z80+128K+TR-DOS+AY level. So
why not at least make another screen? After all, all these multicolors and 3colors appeared only because of the author’s desire to somehow improve the capabilities of his program. Those. These are all attempts to make up for what is missing!
So why not fix this by using the processor “to the fullest”, but install
a new device in the Spectrum, which would give this new screen. At least
512x384x256 colors. And on the TV it will pull and the visible area will already increase by 4 times. I already know that many will advise me that the system in general is not designed for this. Well, this is the main reason for all sorts of “monster-like projects”. I was going to just expand the screen and
depth at firstpalettes. But this cannot be done without “sacrifices”. After all, the most important thing that the platform currently lacks is a screen and more colors. Mr. Knyazev was even going to “tear off my balls” (I apologize) and everyone like me for messing with the structure of the Speccy screen. But this is the first problem (or desire
of users, regardless of status) that stands in the way of the development of the platform.
After all, the memory has already been expanded, everything that can be (or almost everything) has been connected, but
the screen has hardly been touched yet. What do you need for this? Only three 8
bit DACs, 256K (512K) statics and fast logic of video memory address counters +
scan master circuits. All this can be done on a more or less
cheap Altera, and use Ivan Mak’s path to change
then the circuit dynamically (well, maybe someone will then optimize the circuit and it
will work even faster). As Ivan told me, you can’t put anything analog into Altera, but all the counters and all sorts of scan generators are already
possible. This is exactly what I’m doing now, but I’m still in a bit of a mess, because I don’t know how to handle Altera yet. Although I saw one site on the Internet where they told how they built a VGA accelerator on Altera. I can also give a link to those who wish, if interested. Therefore, the second goal of such “monstrous” projects (don’t sleep, Mr. Knyazev, what would he tell me again later,that you didn’t see this in the echo
to unite the efforts of all those interested in the Spectrum. After all
there are so many smart people who already know the Spectrum inside and out.
Can’t they all come up with such a thing together?
With respect
Andreas
09 Feb 00 22:20, Andreas Kaiser wrote to All:
AK> everyone interested in the Spectrum. After all, there are so many smart people
AK> who already know the Spectrum inside and out. Can't they all together
AK> come up with such a thing?
Why is this necessary?
> AK> who already know the Spectrum inside and out. Can't they all together
> AK> be able to come up with such a thing?
>
> Why is this necessary?
AK> You are absolutely right! This is the Spectrum, but at the Z80+128K+TR-DOS+AY level.
AK> So why not at least make a different screen? After all, all these
AK> multicolors and 3colors appeared only because of the author’s desire to somehow
AK> improve the capabilities of his program.
Why is this not necessary. people need to show that they are cool! ;)
it's so simple; this is possible on any platform - to show that you are cool.
and if the author needed to simply improve the capabilities of the program, this
would be done on Pentium ;)
AK> missing! So why not fix this by using the processor “on
AK> all”, but install a new device in the Spectrum, which would give this
AK> a new screen. At least 512x384x256 colors.
we count. screen size of the current Spectrum is 6.9 kBytes; the volume of your screen is
190 kBytes. conclusion: in order to move the image in the same way as the Spectrum does
now (jerky scrolling, slow output), you need to increase
performance by 27 times.
Y?
AK> And on the TV it will work
interlace, you say? ;)
AK> and
AK> the visible area will already increase 4 times.
and the points will not just be round - there will be none at all ;)
AK> they will answer - the system in general is not designed for this. Well, this is
AK> the main reason for all sorts of “monster-like projects”. I was goingfirst
AK> just expand the screen and
AK> the depth of the palette. But this cannot be done without “sacrifices”. After all, the most important thing
AK> that the platform currently lacks is a screen and more colors.
You're wrong. The main thing that is missing from the platform now is the people
sitting on it. even if you make a million flowers per point, there will be no more people :(
AK> Mr.
AK> Knyazev was even going to “tear off my balls” (I apologize) and everyone like me
AK> for interfering with the structure of the Speccy screen.
“tearing off eggs” is unnecessary ;) you just need to put it against the wall :-)
AK> But this is the first
AK> problem (or the desire of users, regardless of status) that stands
AK> in the way of the development of the platform. After all, the memory has already been expanded, everything that is possible
AK> (or
AK> almost everything) has been connected,
oh! Oh really? :)
AK> but the screen has hardly been touched yet.
GMX. PROFI. s? :)
AK> And what
AK> is needed for this. Only three 8-bit DACs
with a bandwidth of 20 MHz - this is not “wood, cardboard, rope”
AK> 256K (512K) statics
which the ztnik will pump for several seconds :)
AK> and fast
AK> logic of video memory address counters + master oscillator circuits
AK> sweep. All this can be done on a more or less cheap Altera,
yes, $8 or so. who will take it? ;)
in due time Iwanted. and even could. but... ;)
I wanted to make a text screen with some bells and whistles; Believe me, it is more necessary
than 512 by 384. I wanted to integrate many more non-screen features there...
in short, I had a certain concept, but what happened is gone :(
AK> and use the path of Ivan Mak to then change the circuit
AK> dynamically (well, maybe someone will then optimize the circuit and it will
AK> still work faster).
God willing, there will be 1000 users on the Spectrum (in large cities). Are there many
of them who are familiar with FPGAs?
AK> something analog, but all the counters and all sorts of scan generators
AK> are already possible. That’s exactly what I’m doing now, only for now on
AK>. crumbly,
maniac.
AK> because I don’t know how to handle Altera yet.
learn before it’s too late. However, when you learn, Spectrum will no longer want to do
:(
AK> Therefore, the second
AK> goal of such “monstrous” projects (don’t sleep, Mr. Knyazev, so that
AK> again later told me that you are in the echo I didn’t see this) join forces
AK> climb into the structure of the Speccy screen.
AK> But this is the first problem
AK> (or the desire
AK> of users, regardless of status), which stands in the way of
AK> development of the platform.
Another platform.
AK> After all, the memory has already been expanded, everything that is possible (or almost everything)
AK> has been connected, but
AK> the screen has practically not been touched yet.
And thank God! This is Holy!
AK> And what is needed for this.
AK> Only three DACs for 8
High-speed (read - “not cheap”). Otherwise, "daub" will be on the screen, in
the best case.
AK> bits, 256K (512K) statics and smart logic of address counters
AK> video memory +
AK> master scan generator circuits. All this can be done
AK> on a more or less
AK> cheap Altera,
The price of such an Altera is here, + its programming, + labor costs for
firmware development, as well as the degree of its availability for purchase ->
AK> Therefore, the second goal of such
AK> “monstrous”
AK> projects (don’t sleep, Mr. Knyazev, so that again then
AK> would tell me that you didn’t see this in the echo
AK>)
Yes, here I am, here (in a sleepy voice, yawning).
AK> unite the efforts of all those interested in
AK> Spectrum.
In the new platform on a Z80-compatible processor.
AK> After all
AK> there are so many smart people who have alreadythey know the Spectrum inside and out.
AK> Can't they all come up with such a thing together?
They can. Only it won’t be Spectrum anymore.
February 05, 2000, Alex Shashkevich writes to Denis Markelov:
DM>> By the way, all of the above requirements are satisfied by
DM>> Sprinter.
AS> Oh well???? 2 computers in 1 package??? Here's the rules!!!! There the spec lives on its own, and all the bells and whistles are on their own! Don't you know that all the bells and whistles there work in non-spectrum mode? Well, what else are you
And it also has radio tubes inside, an oil pump for cooling,
and a small reactor....
ps. If you haven’t seen/don’t know, don’t spread misinformation.
Sincerely, Renat.
[LaЯA
> _Not a single_ bourgeois has yet screwed up the idea!!! Many people do the same thing as we do, and
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I don’t even know if I’m right in interfering, but these words (or rather what is NOT said)
most of all characterize _our_ “programmers” who have learned to transfer a couple
bytes from a register to memory and who imagine themselves to be “kul hackers”. - it’s not the first time I
meet people with an inflated sense of their own “I” who believe that others
program sucks or don’t know how to do it
but nevertheless they are afraid that others will do better...
I myself, by the way, am a BK person (and therefore forgive the BK person for getting into this echo)
and I’m not going to leave this platform
I also want to have a spec with flexible-wire only the controller for my "Synthesis" I can't find it - so it's standing idle> I don't understand why the hell you're yelling at all
corners that the spec is dying? He now
> no longer receives such letters in the spirit of “you can’t, forget it, die”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
my, what kind of breadth of soul such a person can have.... :(
(Andreas this does not apply to you, this is me about your quote)
With deep respect,
Razmaenko Alexander
aka Ramzes
mailto:ram...@star.sstu.samara.ru
>AK> cheap Altera,
>The price of such Altera is here, + its programming, + labor costs for
>firmware development, as well as the degree of its availability for purchase ->
> AK> Therefore, the second
> AK> goal of such “monstrous” projects (don’t sleep, Mr. Knyazev, so that
> AK> again later I was told that you didn’t see this in the echo) to unite the efforts
> AK> of all those interested in the Spectrum. After all, there are so many smart people
> AK> who already know the Spectrum inside and out. Couldn't they all come up with such a thing together?
>I'm ready to throw out some ideas.
>> AK> together they won’t be able to come up with such a thing?
>> Why is this necessary?
AK> Then why am I blabbering here?
But I don’t know, I need to ask you...
AK> Wow, finally another professional offered his advice. I am happy to listen to them. Any. It can be in an echo, or it can be in soap.
you need to determine the scope of the monster.
a) hobby (watching/writing demos/games/...)
b) playing games
c) music
d) graphics
e) video
f) animation
g) 3D ;)
h) CAD
i) accounting/office
j) set-top box for cable TV
l) surveillance systems ;)
m) mail
n) Internet
IMHO, there is only one application - the first. maybe a little of the last and
third. that's all.
based on this, I draw a conclusion - nothing is needed at all ;)
if we start from other premises, we can come to other conclusions.
speak up ;)
I had ideas, but then I started from a different point - I need a postal (FIDO)
machine. hence - text screen, screw, modem, clock. This is the kind of gadget I had in mind. If I need it, I'll tell you ;)
>>This is the motto of the user-upgrader of the offtopic.
AK> I have not upgraded my offtopic for three years and do not intend to.
AK> Although there is money for
AK> it is. Now think about whether this “motto” suits me.
AK> Think well.
I thought. Well thought. Suitable.
ZX-Spectrum was conceived by the Creator as a _domestic_ (read - non-professional)
game-learning platform. This is called
"platform concept". The fact that there were so many hidden resources in it is, for the most part, the merit of the programmers. Of course, it couldn't have happened without a hard drive either, but it fit in extremely _organically_. It was like small “outbuildings”,
each of which had more or less native origin (England. The same
BETA-DISK, Kempston Mouse, for example, and a bunch of other things. All of this was just
stuck into the ZX-BUS). And each such “add-on” simply made working with the machine more and more _convenient_, _without_changing_ the “core”
(Z80/3.5MHz/128Kb/256x192x16) of the platform itself.
Offtopic... Immediately everything was put into commercial use, because it
could have been assembled by almost any, not very blind, Chinese Sun-Wyn
(Hardware copying of Speck, if, of course, you remember, was held back by the PLM 'ULA',
which, IMHO, could only be "seen through" in
the former USSR only.). ALittle Billy, as luck would have it, decided to write DOS under THIS
. And away we go... The platform began to bring
_money_ to everyone who was not too lazy to solder a crooked piece of hardware or write a couple of lines on PaskaKAL. By the way, about Billy. He immediately realized that this was a “fishing place” and began to churn out Mazdas, each subsequent version of which REQUIRED different hardware so that the vomiting would not distract too much and often from the main work.
Sorry for the off-topic.
AK> person. When he
AK> is given blood (and thereby forces the body to produce
AK> new), he comes to life
AK> immediately.
Unfortunate comparison. The blood does not become _different_, it does not become
more/less. There is as much of it as was
planned from the very beginning.
AK> Wow! You put me up against the wall, and he will
AK> shoot at me. And then we’ll all laugh echoingly :)
It’s too early to rejoice. We need someone else to hold it. :)
>> AK> on the path of platform development. After all, the memory has already been expanded,
>> everything that is possible
>> AK> (or
>> AK> almost everything) has been connected,
>>oh! Oh really? :)
FK> It won't even be Super-Spectrum.
It will be Super-Monstrum.
FK> prevalence at this moment. Soft support. Of the most famous
FK>, I can remember, off the top of my head, only three: Melon
FK> (Hayes-terminal/mailer), Lara Croft (MED), PKUNZIP/TR-DOS version.
It will be too small! There is also a viewer in tr-dos, CP/M for kai or scorp
or pentagon with cache, a viewer for a non-standard cardbox format and.. that's all :-(
FK> I would like to emphasize that this mode (512x192) is only two colors.
Well, yes. And if you make a lot of colors (this can be done simply if memory
on 16 pens) then the slowdown will be 2 times more.
FK> 1. 15.750 kHz/60 Hz/525 lines
FK> 2. 15.625 kHz/50 Hz/625 lines
FK> The second point is Russia and most CIS countries.
FK> Linear capture band scanning, at best, is +/-400 Hz,
FK> frame - +/-5 Hz.
Why the hell does it show both 50HZ and 60HZ?
All TVs have been switching for a long time just like piss monitors...
But you still can’t connect the spectrum to the rainbow, it’s either all colors incorrect
or shadows from each letter...
AK>> 256x192x8 -
FK> ^
FK> I still consider BRIGHT to be 8 more colors.
In total it’s 16 all the same.
FK> TR-DOS (Branded 5.03. H. Rodionov still hz. when he accelerated auto-detection
FK> flop, +fixedpositioning error for #3D13. That's it.)
FK> Because of this, I have 100% compatibility with the software, which is what I wish for others.
Yes? How about:
LD A, another drive
LD C,1
CALL #3D13
LD BC,#4005
LD HL,0
LD DE,#1000
CALL #3D13
Head at the drive twitching?
DL> integrity.
Integrity of what?
DL> why does the mail program need to draw circles? :-)
Circle the advantages in red circles.
DL> you need to determine the scope of application of the monster.
DL> a) hobby (watching/writing demos/games/...)
DL> b) playing games
You can do the same on the Spectrum. There are no new games in sight.
DL> m) mail
DL> n) Internet
DL> IMHO, there is only one use - the first. maybe a little of the last
DL> and the third. All. Based on this, I conclude that nothing at all
DL> is needed ;)
Well, maybe email? In the sense of “m” and “n”?
DL> I had ideas, but then I started from a different point - I needed a postal
DL> (FIDO) machine. hence - text screen, screw, modem, clock.
DL> this is the kind of gadget I had in mind. If I need it, I'll tell you ;)
Tell me now.
Although it makes more sense to make a Fido machine from the Spectrum in the form in which it
is. Add only the screw, clock and modem. So maybe he will die a little later...
DL>> postal (FIDO) machine. hence - text screen, screw,
DL>> modem, clock. This is the kind of gadget I had in mind. I'll have to -
DL>> I'll tell you ;)
KF> Tell me now.
as you understand, the most difficult thing is the screw ;)
a la Nemo I didn't want to do it, we need full compatibility with the old software, so that
no one knew that the screw was working instead of a floppy disk (unless you can
understand by the speed, but it's easier to slow down than to speed up). hence - port emulation with
all that it implies. The pump speed, with some distortions, reaches 700 kilos per second. here ;) I wanted to make the text screen overlay on the main one, so that,
say, on a border you could draw in the background ;) a downloadable font,
pixel-by-pixel scrolling ;) all this is done by very simple means.
for the modem and the screw, you also need to emulate the makeshift native bus (I even came up with a scheme so that everything would be synchronous - setting the address, data, control).
all this, according to According to estimates, it fit into the eight-buck Altera. wires -
minimum, almost all in the slot.
KF> Although it makes more sense to make a fido machine from the spectrum in the form in
KF> as it is.
hey! 64 characters per line - Mazda. 42 is not enough. We need a text screen, we need it.
We can’t get a decent graphic screen - we’ll make a text screen ;)
KF> Add only a screw, a clock and a modem. Somaybe he will die
KF> a little later...
maybe just a little ;)
AK> Hu yes, which for example can be called Leningrad-512
>AK> sample 1989 :)
> And in fix joke? :-/ 512Kb? Dyk ah I type "steep harder", for _its_
machine
>can and more put. Only here is then himself, in proud aloneness, under
> this "more" software I will write and himself same this software enjoy.
> And so - machine as machine: Z80/3.5MHz/256x192x16.
> AK> than 80-Hz (33 MHz version), a 16-bit data bus (we immediately throw in the
> AK> word), video memory with an access time of not 250 ns, but 15-25 ns.
>it is impossible to implement such a time in bulk, even with Altera
difficult.
>actually 50 ns. We consider: transfer of 16-bit memory with such access time =
>40e6 bytes/sec. a video controller with your resolution will eat up 10e6, leaving
30e6,
>the average processor access time to memory is 66 ns. output - every second
cycle
>at 33 MHz we will wait :( if I were familiar with the architecture and
>cycles of the 380 in detail, I could predict more accurately.
FK> How is this possible? Those. in his village store it’s simply not
FK> on the counter? Or finances don’t allow it?
AK>> What if he doesn’t want
AK>> to the Pentium?
FK> Everyone wants (with different goals) to go to him. We will all end up on it. It's a matter of
FK> time. :(
That is, you suggest everyone who is not satisfied with the standard Spectrum
screen, everyone who does not want to spoil their eyesight in 3-color, everyone who does not understand where
multicolor can be used (except for perversions) to switch to offtopic!
So who is more offtopic here? Think about it yourself and let others
like you think. Where are we going, even if in spektrumist, REAL spektrumist
echo readers do not see and! do not want to see cars better than Stump.
That is, you suggest that everyone who is not satisfied with the standard Spectrum
screen, everyone who does not want to spoil their eyesight in 3-color, everyone who does not understand where
multicolor can be used (except for perversions) to switch to offtopic!
So who is more offtopic here? Think about it yourself and let others like you think about it. Where are we going if even in the spektrumist, REAL spektrumist
echo readers don’t see and don’t want to see! cars are better than Stump.
DL> maybe just a little ;)
If it weren’t for SPBZXNET, it would have died in 1997.
Now many people are getting both screws and watches, and fidoshniks already
have modems.
Kondratyev made an almost full-fledged mailer in isdos, but as always, without
STS processing it cannot be used. :-( But this mailer is of no use
, the entire file must be transferred back to TR-DOS and read in Lara.
And the mail does not fit on one disk yet. The screw in TR-DOS is a useless thing for the most part
, there is no right here. But there is no machine for Fido from isdos either. There is no
program
There is no way to write a large one, nor can you work with the files normally, unless
bypassing the isdos itself. Well, the segmentation of the mailer log and the mail
database will grow and quickly exceed 85 segments is also clear - they are
not written separately, but simultaneously and in small parts. which
in ZX.SPECTRUM they invent...
IMHO CP/M would be suitable, at least there the only unchangeable
part is the BDOS function set, the rest can be upgraded at your own
discretion, for example, you can make it all work on MS-DOS or IS-DOS
disks, while 99% of programs will not lose compatibility. Only system
utilities (such as the ancient POWER.COM) directly access the disk. CP/M also provides a C compiler and, most importantly, compatibility (partial) with the Orion PC and other Z80-based computers. This is an opportunity to increase the number of users
of the platform (such a downgrade...), more new software.
13 Feb 00 17:11, Andreas Kaiser wrote to All:
AK> have you already worked with Linux? If you take two identical computers (in the sense
AK> they have 1:1 filling), then the one with Windows is slower, compared
AK> with the one under Linux! Does this mean anything to you?
Is the user slowing down?
AK> Now stop, Felix! You know 100% that there were a couple more
AK> copies of Locky and QL. There, the “core” was greatly changed (in the first
AK> Z80H, in the second Motorola) But there was compatibility. And if it weren’t for the then
AK> failure with these models, we could all be sitting now not on the
AK> Z80+AY+128+TR-DOS, etc. You say, every new device
Well, why not immediately get on the Pentium?
I need _SPECTRUM_, but monsters and other amigas are of little interest.
AK> And if you did something yourself and supported it with your software, don’t you think
AK> others would connect?
It depends on what you did... If it’s a monster then Hardly.
AK> I saw two versions of the circuit and each of them consisted of no more than
AK> three microcircuits. Is it difficult to install?
You don’t even understand how it works!
At least 4 or even 5 pieces, there is no such bulk except for altera.
You can also assemble it using diodes, but you know how it will work.
AK> Well, yes, 1 - PAL, 2 - SECAM.
3 -- NTSC.
Isn’t it in Native Mode?
I’m writing again - the Z380 has two modes of operation, Native Mode and Extended Mode.
Native Mode is the same as the Z80, all registers are polled as 32
bits, in which the high half is filled with zeros, and the low half is the same as
in the Z80. The PC address counter only counts from 0 to 65535, all 4GB
of memory are available, but with one “condition” - all program code must be in
the first 64K, the rest of the space can be used for data
(a good opportunity to programmatically emulate all your Pros and Pentagon-512).
In Extended Mode, all registers are also 32-bit, but the PC counts everything 4GB.
There are no restrictions on the location of the code (i.e. in all 4GB). Addressing
linear. Registers R and I are also 32-bit. In Native Mode you can
use the main part of the Extended Mode commands, i.e. transfer operations from
memory to memory (or to port) can be completely 32-bit. All ports
32-bit (4GB ports). I don't know for sure about processing undocumented commands, but in my opinion they are not supported. In any case, there is an interesting TRAP flag, which catches such mockery in the form of undocumented commands and generates an interrupt, the highest level above all. In my opinion, this percent is better than the eZ80. But this is only in
my opinion.
With respect
Andreas
> AK> I saw two versions of the circuit and each of them consisted of no more than
> AK> three microcircuits. Is it difficult to install?
> You don’t even understand how it works!
> At least 4 or even 5 pieces, there is no such loose powder except altera.
> You can also assemble it using diodes, but you know how it will work.
KF> The new GMX invented...
in GMX there is twice the size of Altera ;)
KF> Now many are acquiring both screws and watches, and
KF> fidoshniks already have modems. Kondratyev made an almost full-fledged mailer in
KF> from scratch, but as always, you can’t use it without STS processing.
KF> :-( But this mailer is of no use there, the whole file must
KF> be transferred back to TR-DOS and read in Lara. And mail on one disk still
KF> will not fit. The screw in tr-dos is a useless thing for the most part, it’s dumb
KF> right. But the machine for Fido from isdos is also no good. There’s no way to write a big program, nor can you work with files
KF> normally, except perhaps bypassing the isdos itself. Well, what about
KF> the segmentation of the mailer log. and the mail base will grow and quickly
KF> will exceed 85 segments, it’s also clear - they are written not separately, but
KF> at the same time and in small parts. Again, everything depends on the OS that is invented in
KF> ZX.SPECTRUM...
do you want to say that everything is bad? ;)
I already understand this. you need to express yourself more clearly, then ZX.SPECTRUM
will understand you :-)
Hello, Dmitry.
Thursday, February 10, 2000 Dmitry Lomov wrote to Andreas Kaiser:
[...]
DL> at one time I wanted. and even could. but... ;)
DL> I wanted to make a text screen with some bells and whistles; Believe me, it
DL> is more necessary than 512 by 384. I wanted to integrate many more
DL> non-screen features there... in short, I had a certain concept, but what was, then
DL> has passed :(
Glory to the Almighty, because the storm is more necessary.
Yours Alexander.
My on-board systems detected that on Wednesday February 09, 2000 07:32, Kirill
Frolov wrote by Andreas Kaiser:
AK>> the problem manifests itself during settlement operations. And besides, you can send
AK>> large amounts of information using DMA, or am I wrong?
KF> Ask cool coders and all sorts of demo makers on _PC_,
KF> how they can do it faster... And also read all sorts of docs on
KF> PCI bus. Yesterday is DMA.
Why is DMA yesterday?
And then what is today, if not a secret.
Sincerely, Michael Kritskiy.
DL> what if not TR-Dos? ;)
What else? For all sorts of isdos, you can simply replace the driver.
DL> do you want to say that everything is bad? ;)
Only TR-DOS is worse!
DL> I already understand that. you need to express yourself more clearly, then in
DL> ZX.SPECTRUM will understand you :-)
Why should bad emulator developers understand this?
15 Feb 00 09:36, Alexander Kormishin wrote to Dmitry Lomov:
DL>> integrate many more non-screen features... in short, I had
DL>> a certain concept, but what happened is gone :(
AK> Glory to the Almighty, because the storm is more needed.
Why is it offtopic?
KF> Why is he on the offtopic?
Who knows. But he’s on spec for pleasure.
Your Alexander.