survey

Mon May 17, 1999 you wrote here:

AI> 1. type of computer (ATM, Pro, etc.)

In some cities there will be names that you have never heard of. A few years ago
they were riveted in every city.
We mainly have Quantor (these are Leningrad-like) and the Pentagon.

AI> 2. memory capacity (if more than 128K, then on which ports)

In our area, I think, about 30-40% are 128K, the rest 512K-1M. Naturally according to
#7FFD, since these are all improvements. Some additionally have the opportunity to
enable the pro port, but its relevance is falling (personally, I don’t remember when
I turned it on).
There are a lot of 48s with a flop, but they are almost never used. The owners sell them very cheaply. Others buy, increase RAM and use it. This is the situation with hardware.

AI> 3. various hardware add-ons (Kovox, GMH, GS, turbo, etc.)

GMH and GS have never even been seen in our country.
At the Pentagons, many have turbos, in others it’s rare.
Well, all sorts of KOVOX, caches, watches - little by little...

AI> each subscriber of this echo can conduct a survey in his city, and

Yes, there’s no need to conduct a survey here, everyone usually knows the local situation.
But there won’t be any exact numbers.

All the best.
Sincerely, Roman.

Sunday May 23, 1999 18:39, Roman Milukov wrote Artur Ishmurzin:

RM> Yes, there’s no need to conduct a survey, everyone usually knows the local situation.
RM> But there won’t be any exact numbers.

There won’t be any exact numbers after the survey. ;))

RM> Sincerely, Roman.

With respect, Alex Noman.

RM> In our area, I think, about 30-40% are 128K, the rest are 512K-1M.

we have 30-35% 128K, 40-45% 512-1024K, the remaining %% are 48K, 2 and 4M.

RM> Naturally, according to #7FFD, since these are all modifications. Some
RM> additionally have the ability to enable the profik port, but its
RM> relevance is decreasing (personally, I don’t remember when I turned it on).

our ports are as follows: mandatory 7FFD, DFFD, FDFD. optional - FFF7 and
system port, relevant only if there is more than 1M memory.

RM> There are a lot of 48s with a flop, but they are almost never used. The owners sell them very
RM>cheaply. Others buy, increase RAM and use it. This is
RM> the situation with iron.

similar.

Recently 17 May 99 at 11:51:46 Artur Ishmurzin scratched All about the poll

AI> to follow up on the previous message, I propose to conduct a survey of the owners of
AI> Spectrum outside Fido using the following template:
In our city, the majority of active Spectrumists I know have >128 and
512x192. And those who do not have, but are going to stay on spec, in the near
future plan to upgrade to at least this level.

With best regards, Combinator/PH7.
[Powered by Z80] [intel outside]

AI>> Spectrum owners outside Fido according to this template:
YV> In our city, most of the active
YV> Spectrumists I know have >> 128 and 512x192. And those who do not have, but
YV> are going to stay on spec, in the near future they plan
YV> to upgrade to at least this level.

current survey results for more active memory use >128K

> for against

5085 /*individuals*/
4616
4621

-= questionnaire template =-

Mon May 24, 1999 you wrote here:

AI> our ports are: mandatory 7FFD, DFFD, FDFD.

I don’t understand the mandatory nature of FDFD. Well, the profikovsky DFFD is okay, there is
a certain amount of software for 1M on it.
It copes perfectly with 512 K and 7FFD (and with 1M too).
And FDFD?! What is there for it that would not be available for the other two ports?

AI> 3. various hardware add-ons (Kovox, GMH, GS, turbo, etc.)
^^^^
People, IMHO, you have a slightly wrong opinion about hmh'e
A hammock is not an add-on, it is, in principle, almost an independent
computer, i.e. it plugs into the processor socket and besides this
there are five wires from it to the board, so when it is plugged in then
you can throw out 3/4 of the microcircuits, only the drive controller and a few small things remain working on the board./

With best wishes, Oleg Dokukin aka Light - D.C.G.

Fri May 28, 1999, Artur Ishmurzin squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach Yuri
Voynalovich:

AI> current survey results for more active use of memory
>> 128K

>> for against

AI> 5085 /*individuals*/
AI> 4616
AI> 4621

I can vouch for 465 (and this is definitely more than 5085, 4616 and 4621
together) that ~10%-15% of the total number
of computers here are equipped with more than 128kb of memory. Moreover, there are no more than half of the pentagons, which means 512x192
net;(

[Team Kelly] [I ZX]
Hasta la vista.
Tim Kelly

... E-Mail: tim_...@mail.ru 500:622/1@zxnet ICQ UIN: 34684028

RM> I don’t understand the mandatory nature of FDFD. Well, the profikovsky DFFD is okay,
RM> there is a certain amount of software for 1M on it. It copes perfectly with 512 K and 7FFD
RM> (and with 1M too). And FDFD?! What is there for it
RM> that would not be available for the other two ports?

inherited from the old days. was used exclusively for
using Honey Commander. Moreover, it doesn’t cost any
work to implement it in hardware. They are almost siblings with the Profikovo port. but the main port
is still #DFFD.

OD> ^^^^
OD> People, IMHO, you have a slightly wrong opinion about GMH
OD> A hammock is not an appendage, it is, in principle, almost an independent
OD> computer, i.e. it is plugged into the processor socket and besides this
OD> there are heels of wires from it to the board, so when it is plugged in then
OD> you can throw away 3/4 of the microcircuits, only the drive controller and a few small things remain working on the board. Altera
turbo, connectors, etc. this is not an independent device.

All the best.
Dmitry.

..LD..X-TRADE.. [ZX]

OD> People, IMHO, you have a slightly wrong opinion about GMH
OD> A hammock is not an add-on, it is, in principle, almost an independent
OD> computer, i.e. it is plugged into the processor socket and besides this
OD> there are five wires from it to the board, so when it is plugged in then
OD> you can throw away 3/4 of the microcircuits, the only thing left working on the board
OD> is the drive controller and a few small things./

once 06/01/99 at exactly 20:00:32
Dmitry Lomov wrote to Oleg Dokukin about the survey...

DL> yes, just a little - video amplifiers, a “magic” button driver, Altera
DL> turbo,
DL> connectors and so on. this is not an independent device.

Dima, don’t find fault with the little things :)
besides, note that I wrote: in principle and almost independent
obviously in “almost” everything you talked about fits in :)
and yet gmh this is not a modem or a PC controller for you,
i.e. not a gadget (in the generally accepted sense), if only because
without it the computer itself will not be able to work
(although I would not say that this is an advantage).

DL>> Altera turbo, connectors, etc. this is not an independent
DL>> device.

OD> Dima, don’t find fault with the little things:)

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OD> i.e. not a gadget (in the generally accepted sense), if only because
OD> without it, the computer itself will not be able to work

maybe :-)
pull it out, GMH, put it in place, UNcut the wires :-)

OD> (although I would not say that this is an advantage).

in-in.

OD> People, IMHO, you have a slightly wrong opinion about GMH
OD> A hammock is not an appendage, it is, in principle, an almost independent
OD> computer, i.e. it is plugged into the processor socket and besides this
OD> there are five wires from it to the board, so when it is plugged in then
OD> you can throw away 3/4 of the chips, the only thing left working on the board is the
OD> controller and a few small things./

One day, Monday May 31, 1999 10:35, Tim Kelly wrote to Artur Ishmurzin:
TK> I can vouch for 465 (and this is definitely more than 5085, 4616
TK> and 4621 combined) that they are equipped with more than 128kb of memory ~10%-15%
TK> of the total number of computers. Moreover, there are no more than
TK> pentagons of them, which means there are no 512x192 ;(

we also have almost no 512x192, but this is only due to the lack of the _necessary_
software that would use this mode. The Land of Myths served as a very powerful
catalyst for memory expansion. But it didn’t reach you :) ?

zy: Igor V. Sukhov asked me to convey, I quote - “...I don’t give in to provocation
:)”

Fri Jun 04 1999, Artur Ishmurzin squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach Tim Kelly
:

AI> We also have almost no 512x192, but this is only due to the lack
AI> of the _necessary_ software that would use this mode. The Land of Myths served as a very powerful catalyst for the expansion of
AI> memory. but it didn’t reach you
AI> :) ?

But we don’t play it. We are playing around... ;)

AI> PS: Igor V. Sukhov asked me to convey, I quote - “...I don’t give in to provocation
AI> :)”

Provocations would be disgusting on my part. I moderate not because I am such a person, with sadistic inclinations, or because I need it more than anyone else, but because someone still needs to do this. This is not a pleasant activity, you can
believe me! So say hello to him (though I still didn’t understand him, but not
everyone can be understanding...) I just expressed my opinion about what I saw.

Mon May 31, 1999 you wrote here:

TK> I can vouch for 465 (and this is definitely more than 5085, 4616 and
4621
TK> combined) that ~10%-15% of the total
TK> number
TK> are equipped with more than 128kb of memory. computers. Moreover, no more than half of them are pentagons, which means that 512x192
TK> is not available ;(

This does not mean that an editor for such a screen is not needed! It is very necessary!

But I’m wondering, is there at least one computer that has 512*192, and RAM
less than 256K?

Once on 06 Jun 99 at 18:26:51 there was an argument, Roman Milukov and Tim Kelly were discussing
the topic of the survey.
I decided to add heat to this dialogue.

RM> But I’m wondering if there is at least one computer where
RM> there is 512*192, and the RAM
RM> is less 256K?

What's wrong with that? For example, I have both 512x192 and 128Kb on my computer, and I’m writing from it now. If there is a question about the need for expansion, I will definitely install 512Kb, but for now the need for additional memory is not visible to me personally.

Regards, Dmitry Pavluhin.

AI>> it didn’t reach you :) ?
TK> But we don’t play it.

so we don’t either. but the toy rules! the plot, the scale - the prototype wasn't anywhere near it.

TK> We're playing around with CV... ;)

we've already been playing around. CHV2 waiting....

RM>> there is 512*192, but the RAM is less than 256K?
DP> What's wrong with that? For example, I have both 512x192 and 128Kb on my
DP> computer, and I’m writing from it now. If there is a question about the need for
DP> expansion, I will definitely install 512Kb, but for now
DP> the need for additional memory is not visible to me.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
2EM: that's what we were arguing about. Nowadays there is no such software for which people would expand their memory.

But if there was good software, the right software, the need would become
features?

AI> and if there was good software, the right software, the need for
AI> would begin to acquire
AI> features?

Of course, but I don’t really want to set myself 512 KB for the sake of a large
RAM disk (I have 2 drives). And I have not yet seen other
applications of memory (except for the Land of Myths - cool)
There is hope that with the gradual development of NeOS (or something better) it will become more convenient to use extended memory and then
the need for it will appear. Although, as is known, the amount of memory in programs is eaten up by graphics and music. And in Spec (unsophisticated) these costs are not high compared to the same Amiga, because the graphic screen takes up only
6912 bytes of memory, and music on AY requires little RAM.

Sincerely, Dmitry Pavluhin.

RM>> less than 256K?

DP> What's wrong with that? For example, I have both 512x192 and 128Kb on my computer, with

Yes, actually, nothing “like that”.
I just asked for statistics... (And I was surprised. ;)

DP> That’s what I’m writing now. If there is a question about the need for
DP> expansion, I will definitely install 512Kb, but for now the need for additional memory for me personally is not visible.

Have you tried working with a RAM disk in Lara?
If I had tried, I would have immediately felt such a need.

Friday June 11 1999 10:55, Artur Ishmurzin ─── Dmitry Pavluhin:

DP>> the need for additional memory is not visible to me.
AI> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
AI> 2EM: here what we were arguing about. There is no software now for which people would go
AI> to expand memory.
Okay, okay, almost convinced... :) The only position with which I will not
back down is “the need does not arise due to the fact that, as a rule,
everything fits into 128Kb”, :)

Good luck! Evgeny.

■ The night is shorter than the day... The day will kill me... The world of illusions burns down in it. (C) Aria.

DP> Of course, but I don’t really want to set myself 512 KB for the sake of a large
DP> RAM disk (I have 2 drives). And I haven’t seen other
DP> memory applications yet (except for the Land of Myths - cool)

?! Yes...
Well then the conversation is useless. If you're talking about toys, then I'm surprised how even one of these appeared. Making toys with more than 128 RAM is simply unprofitable
(usually the authors want to get money for them).
But you can actually copy them on 2 flops...

but in vain! the performance of the software that uses it increases significantly.

DP> And I have not yet seen other uses of memory (except for the Land of Myths -
DP> cool)

wow! I completely agree with you about Myths.

DP> There is hope that with the gradual development of NeOS (or something better) it will become more convenient to use expanded memory
DP> and then the need for it will appear.

Of course. just remember the ever-memorable Pink Floyd.

DP> Although, as you know, the amount of memory in programs is eaten up by graphics and
DP> music. And in Spec (unsophisticated) these costs are not high compared to the same Amiga, because the graphic screen takes up only 6912
DP> bytes of memory, and music on AY requires little RAM.

and digital audio? for example, as in Homer - if there is 256K in the game, digitized sounds appear.

AI> but in vain! the performance of the software that uses it
AI> increases significantly
AI>.

Yes, I don’t need special performance from the disk. I need a large volume available to the program, and not 640 KB (720/800 - to taste). And then
I receive 1.5 Mega every evening - where can I put them on a regular TR-DOS disk
(where else the mail I need is located), or on a RAM disk (why will I have to install 4
meters?).

DP>>> is being viewed.
AI>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
AI>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2EM: that's what we were arguing about. Now there is no such
AI>> software for the sake of which people would expand their memory.
EM> Okay, okay, almost convinced... :) The only position with which
EM> I will not retreat is “the need does not arise due to the fact that
EM> as a rule, everything fits into 128Kb”, :)

that’s exactly “as a rule”.... but that’s all rules have exceptions, and this one is especially special :).

AI> but in vain! the performance of the software that uses it
AI> increases significantly
AI>.

Yes, I don’t need special performance from the disk. I need a large volume available to the program, and not 640 KB (720/800 - to taste). And then
I get 1.5 Mega every evening - where I’ll put them on a regular TR-DOS disk
(where else the mail I need is located), or on a RAM disk (why will I have to install 4
meters?).

DP>> Although, as you know, the amount of memory in programs is eaten up by graphics and
DP>> music. And in Spec (unsophisticated) these costs are not high compared to the same Amiga, because the graphic screen takes up only 6912
DP>> bytes of memory, and music on AY requires little RAM.

AI> and digital audio? for example, as in Homer - if there is 256K in
AI> game
AI> digitized sounds appear.

This only proves what I said above - memory is eaten up
by good
sound and graphics.

Sincerely, Dmitry.

Once, Sunday June 20, 1999 18:53, Dmitry Pavluhin wrote to Artur
Ishmurzin:

AI>> but in vain! the performance of the software that uses it
AI>> increases significantly.
DP> Yes, I don’t need any special performance from the disk. I need
DP> a large volume available to the program, and not 640 KB (720/800 - to
DP> taste). Otherwise, I get 1.5 Mega every evening - where do I put them on
DP> a regular TR-DOS disk (where else the mail I need is located), or on
DP> RAM disk (why will I have to install 4 meters?).

then you need a screw. what computer, by the way?

AI> that’s exactly “as a rule”.... but all rules have
AI> exceptions, and this is in
AI> features :).
if you, (not you, but in general) have clumsy hands, then
this rule will not be followed even if you have a megabyte of brains.

With best wishes, Max Shashkin.

AI> then you need a screw. which computer, by the way?

There are two computers: Pentagon 128/Soundrive/Mouse/PC-keyboard
Amiga CD32 + SX1

SMUC controller and ProfPZU from Scorpa are available. But in view
of the lack of a decent system for the "screw" (NeOS doesn't count either - there's
nothing for it yet) I'm not installing it yet. I’m writing from an Amiga, but before that I wrote perfectly
from Speck, the only inconvenience is that almost 1MB
of mail arrives to me (packed) per day. and Specka is very inconvenient to read it. That's why I'm a supporter of "screws" and not RAM disks :). And if someone starts
to say that, they say, “there’s no point in writing out so much mail,” they will be wrong,
because if people don’t suffer on other computers, then why
Spectrumists should suffer?

Sincerely, Dmitry.

DP> I don’t need any special performance from the disk. I need
DP> a large volume available to the program, and not 640 KB (720/800 - to
DP> taste). Otherwise, I receive 1.5 Mega every evening - where do I put them on a
DP> regular TR-DOS disk (where else the mail I need is located), or on a
DP> RAM disk (why will I have to install 4 meters?).

June 27, 1999 (and it was 5:07 pm then)
Artur Ishmurzin in his letter to Dmitry Pavlukhin wrote:

DP>> I don’t need any special performance from the disk. I need
DP>> a large volume available to the program, and not 640 KB (720/800 - according to
DP>> taste). Otherwise, I get 1.5 Mega every evening - where do I put them on
DP>> a regular TR-DOS disk (where else the mail I need is located), or on
DP>> RAM disk (why will I have to install 4 meters?).

AI> then there are two alternatives for you - connect a hard drive or
AI> actually install 4 meter sim for RAM disk. in the latter
AI> case there is a danger of data loss due to a sudden power failure on the
AI> computer.

But still, the Screw would be better! ;)

Sincerely, Pavel June 28, 1999

AI>> exceptions, and this one in particular :).
MS> if you, (not you, but in general) have clumsy hands, then
MS> this rule will not be followed even if you have a megabyte of brains.

you want to say that having 512K of memory a person should jump for joy
using some kind of large-scale program that was crammed into 128K and enjoy mass
swaps? I do not claim that this is the ultimate truth, but, you must agree,
this is wrong....

Sat 26 Jun 1999 you wrote here:

DP> mail arrives (packed). and Specka is very inconvenient to read it. That's why I'm a supporter of "screws" and not RAM disks :). And if someone starts

One does not interfere with the other!

AI>> or really install a 4-meter sim for the RAM disk. in
AI>> the latter case there is a danger of data loss in the event of a sudden
AI>> power failure on the computer.
PK> Still, Vint would be better! ;)

Pasha, and you are here! welcome :), make yourself comfortable.... and about the screw you
are right, it’s unlikely that anyone will argue