Office
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Hello, Yuri!
28 Aug 02 18:16, Yuri Potapov -> tigrr:
YP> AOT: people, has anyone tried to code on the Office spec?
I just wanted the 'ms word -> txt' converter, but I couldn't find a description of the
.doc format anywhere / there's such nonsense that it's hardly possible to figure it out on your own :(
Sincerely, Vadim.
received the package
AOT: people, no one tried to code on the Office spec?
[IronLord] Yurik aka Jerri / Alien Factory /I \
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...Yuri Potapov ..> tigrr:
YP> received the parcel
clearly.
YP> AOT: people, no one tried to code on the Office spec?
decided to take up sadomasochism? :)
...bye.Yuri! ...tigrr//bw::ceg
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28 Aug 02 19:16, Yuri Potapov wrote to tigrr:
YP> AOT: people, no one tried to code on the Office spec?
What is Office?
...Kirill Frolov ..> Yuri Potapov:
KF> What is an Office?
it is so fashionable to call this room for a company, where the secretary sits, the boss and some other staff. I probably saw it in newspaper advertisements - an office, a street like this, a house like this, go there, a sign like this.
...bye.Kirill! ...tigrr//bw::ceg
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VC> I just wanted the 'ms word -> txt' converter, but I couldn't find it anywhere
VC> description of the .doc format / there's such nonsense that it's hardly possible to figure it out on your own
VC> You can. Look at http://www.ice.ru/~vitus/catdoc/ and links from there
Look also. In general, there are simple (~80kb source) Microsoft converters of .doc and .xls files into text form. For Spectrum, it is quite possible to have
support for .doc at the rtf and .xls level, at least in readon.
KF> You can. Check out http://www.ice.ru/~vitus/catdoc/ and links from there
KF> take a look too. In general, there are simple (~80kb source) converters from Microsoft
KF> .doc and .xls files into text form. For Spectrum it is quite possible to have
KF> support for .doc at the rtf level and .xls at least in readonli.
oh! thanks for the url. I’ll pull it out somehow.
Sincerely, Vadim.
VC> I just wanted the 'ms word -> txt' converter, but I couldn't find it anywhere
VC> description of the .doc format / there is such nonsense that it's hardly possible
VC> to figure it out on your own :(
I think the Word files are also packed! So it's complicated!
The omnipresent Daniil...
DB> I think the Word files are also packed! So it's difficult!
hmm. I don't think they were packaged. show me an example of where you thought about the packaging?
Best regards, Vadim.
Somehow Wednesday August 28, 2002 at 18:42:00, Vadim and Yuri were arguing about Office
VC> I only wanted the 'ms word -> txt' converter, but nowhere
VC> did I find a description of the
VC> .doc format / there is such nonsense that it is hardly possible
VC> figure it out :(
only go to the authors :-/
[IronLord] Yurik aka Jerri / Alien Factory /I \
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Somehow Wednesday August 28, 2002 at 11:19:06 pm, Kirill and Yuri were arguing about Office
KF> What is Office?
Kirill go talk to Latvian better
but if it’s really that interesting :)
Office is a software package, in this case from MS :)
is intended for manufacturing and use of various databases
databases, text documents and other things
includes Word, Excel, Access
you know the rest
YP> no, I want to look at the excel database on spec :)
save as text :) but I have nothing to suggest... how is the parcel doing - has it been cleared?
everything is written there in zxasm.
...bye.Yuri! ...tigrr//bw::ceg
... J Majik feat. Kathy Brown - Love Is Not A Game ...
29 Aug 02 17:49, Yuri Potapov wrote to Kirill Frolov:
KF>> What is Office?
YP> Kirill go and talk to Latvian better
I put a tweet on him.
YP> Office is a software package, in this case from MS :)
M$ and Spectrum? Or do you want to process files created by M$-Office
on the Spectrum? In this case, IMHO it is quite enough
.doc at the rtf level (you need a standard set of fonts for the Spectrum and
an appropriate editor...) and .xls at the readonly level (that is
just in a text file). And, as I already wrote, this is quite possible.
Well, you may also need to tear out pictures from .doc and somehow display them
on a tiny Spectrum screen. You can somehow cope with viewing
written files on the spec. But in the opposite
direction it is more difficult, most likely only rtf files and separately
pictures.
YP> text documents and other things
YP> includes Word, Excel, Access
Spectrum does not have enough brains.
August 30, 2002 (and it was 00:59 then)
Kirill Frolov in his letter to Yuri Potapov wrote:
KF>>> What is Office?
YP>> Kirill go and talk to Latvian better
KF> I put a tweet on him.
By the way, me too :) When everyone does this, or they just stop answering him,
maybe he will disappear on his own :)
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In a chit of 28 Aug 02 you wrote to Yuri Potapov :
VC> I only wanted a 'ms word -> txt' converter, but I couldn't find anywhere
VC> a description
VC> of the .doc format / there's such nonsense that it's hardly possible to figure it out on your own
VC> :(
I can help you send a description of the format (1.5M in lzx), but this will not help you much
There are simplified algorithms used by the plugin for Amiga
EvenMore and AntiWord, but this makes it possible to convert only MSWord 1, 4
and MacWord 4, 6 at best. Russian text is scribbled in half the cases,
and in the latest Words it is generally stored in unicode - topic for a separate
conversation. If you want, I can give you some clues. You'll figure it out in a week.
Cordially yours.
<<<... aGGreSSor/team PowerAmiga ...>>>
http://www.poweramiga.narod.ru e-mail:eugene_...@mail.spbnit.ru
DB>>> I think the Word files are also packed! So it's difficult!
VC>> hmm. I don't think they were packaged. show an example from which you thought about
VC>> packaging?
Cordially yours.
<<<... aGGreSSor/team PowerAmiga ...>>>
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In a chit of 29 Aug 02 you wrote to Vadim Chumachenko :
KF> You can. Check out http://www.ice.ru/~vitus/catdoc/ and links from there
KF> take a look too. In general, there are simple (~80kb source) converters from Microsoft
KF> .doc and .xls files into text form. For Spectrum it is quite possible to have
KF> support for .doc at the rtf level and .xls at least in readonli.
#?.rtf is not #?.doc. =) #?.rtf is really supported, it’s all
intuitive tags and plain text. #?.xls is also not too difficult
to support. There is no normal support for #?.doc in any program or platform known to me. This is unrealistic. Can you
support palm #?.doc. (-:
VC> hmm. I don't think they were packaged. show an example from which you thought about the
VC> package?
.doc in zip...
30 Aug 02 09:41, Stanislav Yudin wrote to Yuri Potapov:
SY> For Spec with its resources, it is also too wasteful to use
SY> the native Microsoft format, which is worth the useless
SY> on Spec Unicode encoding. Probably in the case of Speck there is no question of making filters built into MS-Office. In my opinion, it is quite
SY> realistic to write for Spec itself converters of these (MS and not only)
SY> documents to Spec and back. Suppose the user
SY> started filling out some kind of Excel table on the PC, wrote it down on a floppy disk
SY> copied it to Spec,
If the user has a PC, then he will not do anything on the Spec.
You can’t put Spec in your pocket... As I understand it, when it comes
to talking about a subject on Spec, then the absence of PC is implied.
28 Aug 02 19:16, Yuri Potapov -> tigrr:
YP> AOT: people, no one tried to code on the Office spec?
I didn’t try, but I was thinking about implementing at least electronic
tables. I think that nothing is impossible. You just need to approach this problem a little differently than at the PC. Example Tomy PalmOS. There the concept is this: the PDA itself works mainly only with its own formats, that is, documents specially prepared on a large computer (PC, Mac) are loaded into the handheld. As a result, under PalmOS there is not one, but several office packages that can process documents from MS-Word and MS-Excel.
For Spec with its resources, it is also too wasteful to use the native Microsoft format, which is worth it, which no one needs on Spec encoding
unicode. Probably in the case of Speck there is no question of making filters built into MS-Office. In my opinion, it is quite possible to write converters for these (MS and not only) documents to Spec and vice versa for Spec itself. Let's assume that the user started filling out some kind of Excel table on the PC, wrote it down on a floppy disk, copied it to Spec, then launched the converter program, loaded the resulting file into Spec's tables, worked there, started the converter again and took it to PC.
In my opinion, Spectrum really lacks normal spreadsheets
(VU-Calcand others like him don’t count, but what was called spreadsheets under iS-DOS is essentially not them at all). I understood how such tables might look on
Spec by looking at the analogue under PalmOS. It’s quite possible to see what spreadsheets look like under
PalmOS on Spec, so they are b/w and with a resolution
160x160. So if you want, and the moderator doesn’t mind, you can post screenshots here in 6912 SCR format.
Stanislav
Вездесущий Daniil...
...
DB> Insert a picture in bmp format into a Word file, and then look at the size
DB> of the Word document file and compare it with the size of the picture file.
hmm. Pictures may be packed inside, but not text.
Sincerely, Vadim.
30 Aug 02 11:32, Daniil Bayanov -> Vadim Chumachenko:
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DB>>> I guess the Word files are also packed! So it's difficult!
VC>> hmm. I don't think they were packed. show an example from which you thought
VC>> about packaging?
DB> Insert a picture of bmp format into a Word file, and then look at the size
DB> of the Word document file and compare it with the size of the picture file.
This only means that bmp the pictures are stored in compressed form.
But this does not mean that the .doc file itself is packed.
Type any text in English letters, and then look at the contents of the file.
Hmm... And if in Word the picture is not “inserted”, but “linked to the file”, then the
result is the size The Word file will not grow at all!
This, apparently, indicates super-efficient file compression? ;)
Aleksandr
KF>> look from there too. In general, there are simple (~80kb source)
KF>> Microsoft .doc and .xls file converters into text form. For
KF>> Spectrum it is quite possible to have .doc support at the rtf level and
KF>> .xls at least in readonli.
ES> #?.rtf is not #?.doc. =)
rename .rtf .doc *.doc
ES> #?.rtf is really supported, there are all intuitive
ES> tags and plain text.
Well, you just need an rtf editor for the spec.
ES> There is no normal support for #?.doc in any program, on any
ES> platform known to me.
If the .doc file is rtf inside - load it as yes. Otherwise, we convert
with catdoc into text. You might think about extracting some intuitive
tags and images from the doc.
IT> save as text :) and I have nothing to suggest... like the premise
it's too simple :)
IT> is it going - is it cleared up?
IT> everything is written there in zxasm.
not yet... no time
Once Friday August 30, 2002 at 08:41:08, Stanislav and Yuri were arguing about the topic
Office
SY> 160x160. So, if you want, and the moderator doesn’t mind, you can post
SY> screenshots here in 6912 SCR format.
throw it at me
Once Thursday August 29, 2002 at 23:59:58, Kirill and Yuri were arguing about Office
KF> M$ and Spectrum? Or do you want to process files created by M$-Office
KF> on the Spectrum? In this case, IMHO, the opposite
KF> side is more complicated, most likely only rtf files and separately
KF> pictures for them.
pictures can be implied...
KF> Spectrum does not have enough brains.
enough if used correctly
Once Friday August 30, 2002 at 10:32:52, Daniil and Vadim were arguing about Office
DB> Insert a bmp-format picture into a Word file, and then look
DB> at the file size
DB> of the Word document and compare it with the size of the picture file.
Yes, there is such a thing, I saw a characteristic combination inside letters JFIF
probably all the pictures are packed when embedded inside
and it also seems that .doc and .xls are one and the same
ES> I can send you a description of the format (1.5M in lzx), but this will not help you much
ES>. There are simplified algorithms that are used by the plugin for
ES> Amiga EvenMore and AntiWord, but this makes it possible to convert only
ES> MSWord 1, 4 and MacWord 4, 6 at best. Russian text is scribbled in half of
ES> cases, and in the latest Words it is generally stored in
ES> unicode - a topic for a separate discussion. If you want, I can give you some sorts.
ES> You'll figure it out in a week.
Give us some clues and we'll take a look.
Sincerely, Vadim.
VS> Post! I, personally, am not against it...
but probably everyone is interested. the main thing is that it doesn’t weigh much, in a zip.
...bye.Stanislav! ...tigrr//bw::ceg
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VS> By the way, me too :) When everyone does this, or they just stop responding to him
VS>, maybe he will disappear himself :)
by the way, how do you set up a tweet in LaraCroft? is there such a feature?
Tschau, Siril//4D.
Once Friday August 30, 2002 at 06:24:39, Eugene and Vadim were arguing about Office
ES> I can send you a description of the format (1.5M in lzx), but
ES> this is not enough for you
throw me, only in .zip
Once Friday August 30, 2002 at 06:42:06, Eugene and Kirill were arguing about the topic
Office
ES> #?.rtf is not #?.doc. =) #?.rtf to support
ES> is real, there are solid
ES> intuitive tags and plain text. #?.xls also
ES> is not too difficult
yes... by the way, both .doc and .xls look the same
first a crazy header, then no less crazy data, at the
end of the file the text about some kind of root is reported
ES> to support. There is no normal support for #?.doc in any
ES> program or on any
ES> platform known to me. This
what about offtopic? :)
ES> is unrealistic. Can
ES> support palm #?.doc. (-:
is there a document for it?
Once Friday August 30, 2002 at 06:40:23, Eugene and Yuri were arguing about the topic Office
ES> Elementary. A converter is written from the intuitive
ES> #?.dbf to text.
ES> Then in Excel the database is saved in #?.dbf and carried home in this
ES> form.
no, this is not interesting... I want something more complicated
VS>> it will stop, maybe it will disappear on its own :)
IV> by the way, how do you set up a tweet in LaraCroft? Is there such a feature?
It wasn’t there before, at least in 4.5 for sure. and I also put it in Golded :) but
now I have to take it off...
...bye.Ilya! ...tigrr//bw::ceg
... some music CD
SY>> use the native Microsoft format, which is worth it
SY>> unicode encoding, which no one needs on Spec. Probably in the case of
SY>> Spec there is no question of making filters built into MS-Office
SY>>. In my opinion, it is quite possible to write for Spec
SY>> converters of these (MS and not only) documents to Spec and vice versa.
SY>> Suppose the user started filling out some kind of
SY>> Excel table on the PC, wrote it down on a floppy disk and copied it to Spec,
KF> If y the user has a PC, then he will not do anything on the KF> spec. You can’t put a Speck in your pocket... As I understand it, when
KF> talks about a subject on a Speck, it means the absence of a PC.
This is obvious :) I meant that a person at work filled out a sign, and brought it
home, where only the Speck is... There are people who have access to the PC
unlimited, and at home there is nothing except Speck...
Stanislav
02 September 2002 (and it was then 14:39)
Stanislav Yudin in his letter to Kirill Frolov wrote:
SY> This is obvious :) I meant that the person at work filled out the sign, and
SY> brought it home, where only Speck is standing... There are such people who
SY> has unlimited access to the PC, and has nothing at home except Speck...
By the way, that’s not a bad idea. It makes sense to do something on Speck like a database or just a database viewer, which is nothing more than just a table, as the textbooks teach us. In general, it makes sense to do it. Just what
format should I support?
SY>> filled it out, and brought it home, where only Speck stands... There are such
SY>> people who have unlimited access to the PC, but at home there is nothing except Speck
SY>>...
VS> By the way, it’s not a bad idea. It makes sense to do something on Speck
VS> such as a database or just a database viewer, which is nothing more than
VS> as the textbooks teach us, just a table. In general, it makes sense
VS> to do it. Just what format should I support?
Yes, any! Your own, for example :) The main thing is to have a converter on Spec of this
format to *.xls and vice versa.
Stanislav
Cordially yours.
<<<... aGGreSSor/team PowerAmiga ...>>>
http://www.poweramiga.narod.ru e-mail:eugene_...@mail.spbnit.ru
Cordially yours.
<<<... aGGreSSor/team PowerAmiga ...>>>
http://www.poweramiga.narod.ru e-mail:eugene_...@mail.spbnit.ru
02 Sep 02 01:43, Eugene Sobolev wrote to Kirill Frolov:
ES> Not funny. It's idiotic to support the meaningless renaming
ES> #?.rtf to #?.doc or #?.wav to #?.mpeg3, etc. One lamer had nothing to do
ES>, others supported... MS Word does not upload #?.rtf
ES> by Save As MSWord Document and period.
PC specialists may not know what to do with rtf...
ES> Well, you just need to ask the author of ACEdit to teach your
ES> editor to create files with a rich text format header and support for five
ES> tags: /plain, /normal, /italic, /bold and /underline. Default font
ES> Arial/10.
The editor must be able to show different fonts of different sizes.
ES> There are no tags in #?.doc. At all. What's in the description #?.doc
It doesn't matter. The main thing for rtf tags is to get them from somewhere.
In a chit of 01 Sep 02 you wrote to Eugene Sobolev :
YP> yeah... by the way, that .doc, that .xls looks the same
YP> first a crazy title, then no less crazy data, at the end of the file the text about some kind of root is reported
Naturally. Dumps of, say, Amiga, pisya and poppy executables
are not much different - some numbers... =) The difference is that you can extract from them
how resources are stored, etc. The main difference between #?.doc
and #?.xls is that extracting data from #?.xls is much (several
orders of magnitude) easier than from #?.doc.
YP> what about offtopic? :)
Only Win. Offtopic, this is not only Win. And Win is far from the most important thing
on it (a few good words about the off-topic...). =)
YP> is there a document for it?
Of course.
NAME
Doc (Pilot standard text document) file format
SYNOPSIS
struct doc_record0 { /* 16 bytes total */
Word version; /* 1 = plain text, 2 = compressed text */
Word reserved1;
DWord doc_size; /* uncompressed size in bytes */
Word num_recs; /* not counting itself */
Word rec_size; /* in bytes: usually 4096 (4K) */
DWord reserved2;
};
DESCRIPTION
The Doc file format is the standard text document format
used by all models of the3Com PalmPilot and the IBM Work-
pad. A Doc file is a pdb(4) file: this manual page
describes only those aspects specific to Doc files.
A Doc file consists of 0 to num_recs records; record 0 is
the header for the document. (This header is distinct from
the pdb(4) header.) The remaining records contain text,
either plain or compressed depending upon version.
Word Sizes
In the synopsis above, the types ``Word'' and ``DWord'' are
used just as in the Pilot headers. The type ``Word'' is 16
bits; the type ``DWord'' is 32 bits. Both are in big-endian
format.
Compression Format
A character ``c'' in a compressed record is in one of four
classes:
01-08 Copy ``c'' bytes
00,09-7F Self
80-BF Sequence
C0-FF A space plus the ASCII character ``c ^ 0x80''
SEE ALSO
txt2pdbdoc(1), pdb(4)
AUTHOR
Paul J. Lucas <p...@best.com>
txt2pdbdoc Last change: August 18, 1998 1
p.S. root - это кстати корень. Hапример корневая директория в AmigaOS
это root (подразумевается, но не называется так). Поскольку для
отдельных индивидуумов ООП есть немерянный рулез, то отсюдаIt follows
that this approach applies to everything, including
file formats. Everything that can be seen as components of an MSWord
document (pictures, primitives, wordart, etc) is taken as objects.
Naturally, they are in some relationship with each other
(hierarchical). Naturally, this tree has a root.
If you haven’t written in C++, E or at least JavaScript, and even less
have no idea about the methodology for programming database
databases (mSQL/mySQL Server, Informix, or at least Access), then I
strongly recommend that you thoroughly understand dBASE (at the user
level and formats), FoxPro (at the manager level under
PC/DR/MSDOS) and use old poppy DBMSs (Panorama,
File Force, Helix Express, 4th Dimension). This is the required minimum
knowledge in order to write a #?.dbf oriented
DBMS on the Spectrum and not do another crap. I’m silent about #?.xls, because
it’s nonsense.
Cordially yours.
<<<... aGGreSSor/team PowerAmiga ...>>>
http://www.poweramiga.narod.ru e-mail:eugene_...@mail.spbnit.ru
In a chit of 09 Sep 02 you wrote to Eugene Sobolev :
KF> PC staff may not know what to do with rtf...
Secretaries/accountants/economists really can... But why
Sinclairists should care about illiterate male people, of whom
are also only a few? That's what I don't understand. In the end, #?.rtf for
PTsshnik is one of the ways to combat the incompatibility of different versions
of Word. If a sinclairist goes to the club and downloads documentation from the Internet, then
he will know with a 99.9% probability when he downloads an MSWord document and
what version, and when an ordinary #?.rtf.
KF> It is necessary that the editor be able to show different fonts of different sizes.
A student is needed. With a lot of free time. With enough experience. Vlad
Sotnikov is a great guy, but still it’s not a sin to remember how much for the Spectrum
the little one was written.
KF> It doesn’t matter. The main thing for rtf tags is to get them from somewhere.
I agree.
ES> I think that you shouldn’t have any problems with Internet access. =)
and you, my friend, are either a big joker or just kidding.
and what's there? and where is it? Is there a more precise url if you don’t have problems with the Internet?
ZXNet: 500:8462/1 ~/ <~ http://zx.fatal.ru/
Fido: 2:5057/21.93 /_ _> SkyNet: 71:170/21
Once Monday September 9, 2002 at 20:58:07, Eugene and Yuri were arguing about the topic
Office
ES> Naturally. Dumps, for example, of Amiga, pisya and
ES> poppy executables
:)
ES> are not much different - some numbers... =) The difference in
ES> is that you can extract
ES> from them, how resources are stored, etc. The main
ES> difference between #?.doc
ES> and #?.xls is that extracting data from #?.xls
ES> is significantly (several
ES> orders of magnitude) easier than from #?.doc.
invisibly
One day Monday September 9, 2002 at 21:09:42, Eugene and Yuri were arguing about the topic
Office
ES> I think that you should not have problems with access to the Internet
ES>. =)
on what basis are such conclusions?
Cordially yours.
<<<... aGGreSSor/team PowerAmiga ...>>>
http://www.poweramiga.narod.ru e-mail:eugene_...@mail.spbnit.ru
SZ> and you, my friend, are either a big joker or just kidding.
Both of course. Rewind the thread and look please in the to field.
ES>> http://interdoc.by.ru
SZ> and what's there? and where is it? Is there a more precise url if you don’t have problems with
SZ> the Internet?
Where is it more precise? This is one of several dozen archives of links to descriptions
of various document formats. As you enter, the alphabet is in front of you.
Description #?.doc can be downloaded from the list starting with the letter "d". In the #?.zip archive.
Since I have been actively using this archive for the last two years, I
don’t think that it has ceased to exist since last weekend...
I can be even more precise. The description of #?.doc is freely available at microsoft.com for
over the last 3 years (this does not prevent the existence of a cohort
of perverts who dream of picking apart this format on their own). Who
really needs it - download it.The inability to use search engines, browsers, etc. in 2002 is not taken seriously. With this
you don’t need to tinker with formats, but read books on computer science for preschoolers. A
it’s better to teach. By heart. =)
ZXNet: 500:8462/1 ~/ <~ http://zx.fatal.ru/
Fido: 2:5057/21.93 /_ _> SkyNet: 71:170/21
ZXNet: 500:8462/1 ~/ <~ http://zx.fatal.ru/
Fido: 2:5057/21.93 /_ _> SkyNet: 71:170/21
Mon 9 Sep 2002 at 21:32:58 Eugene Sobolev -> Kirill Frolov on the topic Office
ES> Secretaries/accountants/economists really
ES> can... But why
ES> Sinclairists should care about illiterate people
ES> males, who
ES> are also units? That's what I don't understand. In the end
ES> #?.rtf for
ES> PTsshnik is one of the ways to deal with
ES> incompatibility between different versions of
ES> Word. If a sinclairist goes to a club and downloads
ES> documentation from the Internet, then
ES> he will know with a 99.9% probability when he downloads
ES> MSWord document and
ES> which version, and when the ordinary #?.rtf.
Consider me a lamer, but I understood almost nothing from the above, but nevertheless
I consider myself a Spectrumist. And I also think that I work well for the PC -
the management is happy.
With respect, Alexander Kushnikov aka Sander.
In a chit of 11 Sep 02 you wrote to Eugene Sobolev :
SZ> well... who was talking about books for preschoolers on computer science? =) how
SZ> write from fido to e-mail is present in the facs :)
Issues of coordination of left-wing networks are discussed in detail in rfc. There is no translation, so some are content with facts. =) Just kidding, of course...
Regardless of your kludges, in your target line (you don’t even need to rewind the thread)
it is clearly written - W32. On the offtopic site there are no problems with Internet access. End.
On 11 Sep 02, Eugene Sobolev wrote to Sergey Zotov:
ES> Regardless of your kludges,
what are my kludges doing here? Did you really advise me to go online? :)
ES> in your threadline (you don’t even need to rewind the thread) it is clearly written -
ES> W32.
for me - yes, but for those who need to get on the Internet:
=== Home Windows Clipboard ===
MSGID: 2:5057/21.89 06a7659b
REPLY: 2:5030/675.49@fidonet DD26E1E8
PID: Lara Croft MED 4.50 by KVA of E-mage
=== End of Windows Clipboard ===
PID says anything? ;)
ES> On the offtopic site there are no problems with Internet access. End.
see insert a little higher. :)
unless you are writing software for the Internet on Speccy. ;)
Once on Tuesday September 10, 2002 at 22:55:40, Eugene and Yuri were arguing about
Office
YP>> on what basis are such conclusions?
ES> Yes. And who was it that once wrote to me by email? =)
if you watch the tearline, you won’t have any more questions
and IMHO everyone knows how to write an email from Fido :)
AK> Consider me a lamer, but I understood almost nothing from the above, but
AK> nevertheless I consider myself a Spectrumist. And I also think that I work well at the PC
AK> - the management is happy.
Firstly, this is not a question of self-esteem, but a question of what you do on
the same PC. You administer, implement your applications in production under
popular DBMSs or simply “PC operator”, etc. Secondly, the answer will be
standard - rewind the thread and you will understand everything. I believe in you. And finally, thirdly, everyone can consider themselves to be anyone. As for me, I
long ago got rid of my attachment to specific platforms (Speccy, Ammy,
PeeCee, Mac, etc.). What you work with does not matter. Therefore, all
insults are out of the window.
SZ> see the insert just above. :)
SZ> unless you are writing software for the Internet on Speccy. ;)
what, like a C compiler was found somewhere, Mozilla in the source code is available, we compile
for spec :) so far it is considered the most direct browser, so everyone will
be happy :) only the source code is packaged about 30 MB... :) ~50 floppy disks :)
...bye.Sergey! ...tigrr//bw::ceg
... Natious - Amber ...