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Mon May 17, 1999 you wrote here:

VB>> This is where you guy is wrong, where did you see a text editor with
VB>> such a resolution on the Specky?
EM> And where did you see that such a resolution would already become standard?

And how can it become standard? Which company approves these standards?!
The circuit design has been published, there are programs in which it is used (and very
effectively), what else?

Since a certain number of users have such a bells and whistles, and a person has a
desire to write software for it, then what is not possible? prohibit him from writing under this
"non-standard"?

VB>> In my opinion, there has never been an editor for the 512*192 mode anywhere and this editor
VB>> will be very useful to many.
EM> Often, “wasn’t” means “impossible”, and/or “not necessary”.

And it happens that simply no one decided to take it on first. ;)

All the best.
Sincerely, Roman.

OG> Yes. VG after being reset in down - she does not respond to commands.
OG> Firstly, she needs to be taken out of down, and secondly, give the command
OG> an immediate interruption so that she does not spend 7.68 seconds on
OG> a meaningless attempt to recover.

KF> She tries to execute command 08. She simply moves the head to
KF> the track 0.

With the drive stopped, at minimum speed... 30ms*256=7.68s

OG> The pause is necessary because the immediate interrupt commands on
OG> are not actually executed immediately. :) If you don't pause,
OG> the next command will simply be ignored.

KF> Why not pause instead of polling the status register and find out
KF> is it ready or is it still throttling? Yes, because you can’t read it.

Read it. True, as soon as the VG is free, it will immediately catch the
positioning command... :)

WBR, Oleg.

OG> NMI_Proc ld a, 1
OG> _sio_int_flag equ $-1
OG> inc a
OG> jp nz, #70

OG> ld (_sio_int_flag), a

KF> The meaning ^^^^ of this is not entirely clear to me. Problems with the lack of PIC apparently.

Percentage or what? Well, well...

KF> But why not?

KF> NMI_Proc: ld hl,70h
KF> ld (NMIADR),hl

This flag is removed in a dozen places. rtfm sources doskh.

KF> Fewer cycles. But here, in any case, a stack overflow and
KF> “explosion” of the program are possible. You need a hardware “gadget” that blocks the NMI
KF> signal before the first access to the modem ports. By the way, in the Kondratieff circuit there is a
KF> free trigger (half of TM2) and everything can be done without adding a single
KF> extra microcircuit.

The circuit already exists. For a long time. The changes won't stick. Already.

OG> ld (_page), a
OG> out (#fd), a

KF> BAD. Why - you should know for yourself.

Written for myself.

OG> call freeZ

KF> A piece of the program that is meaningless and has an extra 27 clock cycles.
KF> Or am I wrong? (I know that there is data coming from Momed,
KF> but why CALL? )

rtfm dosx sources. Handler in the page. There are memory problems below.

OG> pop hl
OG> pop af
OG> retn

KF> And who will put the value 0ffh in (_sio_int_flag)?

Handler.

WBR, Oleg.

AN>> Are you talking about broken interruptions?
OG> About ordinary ones. The frequency of which is set when locking.
AN> I always thought that when locking, the lock is set, not the interrupt frequency.
AN> :)

The lock affects the maximum interrupt frequency, damn it.

AN> The interruption frequency depends on the incoming data in the first place. If AN>
AN> connection
AN> is 2400, then what the hell will the port be: 57600 or 115200. The frequency will not
AN> change.
AN> You can check. ;) I already told you why your cps is higher with less
AN> headroom.

Thank you, I know.

OG>>> Myler works fine at 57600. But at 38400 cps
OG>>> is a little higher. :)
AN>> Now it’s clear why. ;)
OG> So I said it right away. :)
AN> You said something, but you didn’t say about the modem. :)

I said that it is better to lock at 38400 than at 57600. That's it!

AN>> Why did you check and even cut it?
OG> You wanted memory at the bottom.
AN> You make explanations in the help: who needs a higher CPU, do this... ;)

That's when this help will be... :) In the meantime, in the garden.

WBR, Oleg.

OG>> DS already knows this. And I stopped myself from answering with soap. Well, since
OG>> the public is interested: usr14400, 38400, 14400/arq, subj, hydra,
OG>> arcmail.

AN> You see, you have a 14.4 modem, but you advise everyone to set port 38400, without
AN> mentioning it. ;)

Heh... I said that in the case of a subject (oops! :) ) the lock at 38400 has priority
over the lock at 57600. And I explained why.

AN> So who is the theorist there? ;)))

You, of course. :) After all, it was you who had no idea about the real state of affairs. And
I myself know that in theory a lock should not affect productivity.
It does not. Usually. :)

WBR, Oleg.

EM>> ?

RM> How can it become standard? Which company approves these standards
RM>?! The circuit design has been published, there are programs in which it
RM> is used (and very effectively), what else?

There are no more than 30 computers with this resolution throughout the exUSSR.
And there are THOUSANDS of normal spectra!

RM> Since a certain number of users have such a bells and whistles, and a person
RM> has a desire to write software for it, So what, it’s impossible? prohibit him
RM> from writing under this “non-standard”?

And exclude him from the spektrumists.

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]

KF> There are no more than 30 computers with such a resolution throughout the exUSSR.
KF> And there are THOUSANDS of normal spectra!
Nu, nu... In our city, out of 6 people, there are 4 people with this mode... so don’t argue and
don’t make sudden conclusions.

EM>>> will be the first in the text. How long will it take for the required separation to occur? A
EM>>> given that the text is on the pages? For example, I managed
EM>>> to achieve only the same speed as in ZX-WinWord v2.2
VB>> Believe me, if it slows down, it will be very rarely, this
VB>> is doubly connected
EM> [.....]
VB>> for a long time, a little longer than your text was pulled up, the memory will be freed up,
VB>> and
VB>> again whole hours of flights not in a dream, but in reality!!!
EM> Then it’s clear...
Finally, everyone and everything understood ;)

AN>>>>> sir. Although on the other hand, why the hell do we need another editor...? ;(
6VB>>>> This is where you’re wrong, guy, where did you see a text editor with
VB>>>> such a resolution on the spec? Are you interested? :)
Yes, in my opinion, the standard is professional and Pentagon, and the rest is already so
processes ;)

VB>> Or maybe because there was no AY on 48, then on 128 it is also not
VB>> standard? In my opinion, everything
VB>> new that flows into our lives becomes standard;)
EM> It becomes, it becomes. But don't forget that nowThere are practically no
EM> companies involved in the production of new computers. What do we have? Kai,
EM> Sprinter,
EM> Scorpio. Only Kai and Sprinter have more memory than 256Kb.
EM> The existing Scorpov fleet is already practically “hung” with all sorts of modifications,
EM> and not every board can withstand expansion to 512... I’m not
EM> talking about Pentagons... So, what do we have? Only two "standard" more or less serial computers that meet the requirements of your program. What percentage of spektrumists sit on them? Very small. So for whom are you
EM> going to make this editor?
EM> For units?

EM>>> :))) But we don’t have this diagram. As far as I know, it doesn't exist for scorpions.
VB>> damn it, just figure it out yourself,
EM> My job is to write programs, not to invent hardware. :). Are you making an editor just for yourself?
No, of course, for everyone, but still the minimum for this editor would be the
512*192 mode, since otherwise there is no point in making it at all ;)

Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

OG> You, of course. :) After all, you were the one who had no idea about the real
OG> situation. And I myself know that in theory the lock should not affect the performance of the OG. It doesn't influence. Usually. :)

Are you confused? ;) You're talking about theory, but you add "usually". ;)

OG> WBR, Oleg.

With respect, Alex Noman.

AN>>> Are you talking about broken interruptions?
OG>> About ordinary ones. The frequency of which is set when moving.
AN>> I always thought that when moving, the point is set, not the frequency

EM> considering that the text is on the pages? For example, I was able to achieve
EM> only the same speed as in ZX-WinWord v2.2

Segments. The file is divided into blocks of (for example) 256 bytes and the text
is accessed through them. Each segment is described by its location in
memory and length. Three bytes per segment is enough. Very fast. The only
brake is recording to the device. With a text size of 636k (sic!), descriptors
will take 7632 bytes.

VB>> it will be a blunder, for example, you have a diagram drawn 80
VB>> characters wide, how can you best see it? Torn in 2 or whole
VB>> ?

KF>> stack and “explosion” of the program. You need a hardware "gadget"
KF>> blocking the NMI signal before the first access to the modem ports.
KF>> By the way, in the Kondratiev circuit there is a free trigger (half
KF>> TM2) and everything can be done without adding a single extra chip.

OG> Circuit already exists. For a long time. The changes won't stick. Already.

How can you use a program that can at any moment
go down with colored squares?

For blind ZX fans - even the offtopic i80486 after receiving NMI
blocks it inside the processor until the IRET command is executed! But the Z80
doesn’t do this - it needs a hardware gadget.

OG> Read. True, as soon as the VG is free, it will immediately catch
OG> the positioning command... :)

Because you are slowing down more than that VG. It works for me and I won't argue anymore. If it doesn't spin, I know I'm not ready. If it spins, you're ready.
And there's no point in telling tales about a user sticking his fingers into the drive.

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]

That’s why both Melon and Lara support both modes!
But the editor is a specific thing, you can’t do it in addition to
512*192 and 256*192!
There are plenty of editors for the normal screen, even if there will be for the extended mode.
Moreover, a similar mode is available on several models yes.

...

KF> IMHO the problem here is not with memory - the processor is small, and all the
KF> clock cycles need to be taken into account.

For Hydra, 4k is needed. rtfm.

WBR, Oleg.

KF> Not 256, but a maximum of 85. And not the minimum speed, but specified by the
KF> bits 0 and 1. Two zeros - the maximum.

RTFM, theorist. After exiting the down, the VG tries to restore at
minimum speed. If after 256 “step back” pulses it still does not receive tr00, then it stops execution. On a non-turbo controller it
will take 7.68s.

────[ File XX .C starts here ]───────────────────────
ORG #8000:DI

LD A,#D0:CALL TOPR1F

XOR A:CALL TOPRFF
LD A,#3C:CALL TOPRFF

CALL INTRQ1

LD A,#08:CALL TOPR1F,INTRQ2

RET

INTRQ1 LD IX,#3FE5:JR DOS
INTRQ2 LD IX,#3EF5:JR DOS

TOPR1F LD C,#1F:JR TOPR
TOPRFF LD C,#FF
TOPR LD IX,#2A53
DOS PUSH IX:JP #3D2F

────[ File XX .C ends here ]────────────────────────

Call a hundred times and go to the garden.

KF> And there’s no point in telling tales about a user sticking his fingers in disk drive.

So, can you guarantee with 100% probability that under the head
is exactly the cylinder that is needed? Have you ever had to press the head against the disk for better readability? To the garden.

WBR, Oleg.

OG> Segments. The file is divided into blocks of (for example) 256 bytes and the
OG> text
OG> is accessed through them. Each segment is described by its
OG> location
OG> in memory and length. Three bytes per segment is enough. Very fast.
OG> The only slowdown is recording to the device. With a text size of 636k
OG> (sic!)
OG> descriptors will take 7632 bytes.
For some reason I didn’t understand anything, but in more detail, this reminds me of my method
which was born to me at the beginning, but then I had to abandon it...
a doubly linked list is better.

Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

KF>> moment to go down with colored squares?

OG> Facts?

MAYBE.

It doesn’t matter that this happens with a probability of 0.000000000000000000000000001%

The fact is that the program contains destructive possibilities - it may even
format the screw purely by accident.

OG> And what, can you guarantee with 100% probability that under the
OG> head is exactly the cylinder that is needed? Have you ever had to press the head against the disc
OG> for better readability? To the garden.

If you touch the drive with your hands, it will not work normally.
This cannot be taken into account in the program, and skipping of STEP pulses does happen, but
is revealed when reading the track number - you can correct it immediately, or you can
drive it to track 0. If you use standard formats, then driving
the heads to track 0 is only necessary if it falls outside 80 tracks or
on an unformatted disk or a disk with errors.

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]

Sun 23 May 1999 you wrote here:

KF>> Fewer bars. But here, in any case, a stack overflow and
KF>> “explosion” of the program are possible. You need a hardware “gadget” that blocks the NMI
KF>> signal before accessing the modem ports for the first time. By the way, in the Kondratiev circuit
there is
KF>> a free trigger (half of TM2) and everything can be done without adding
a single
KF>> extra microcircuit.

KF> Why does my head go 0..1 second after a HARDWARE RESET?

After pressing the reset button? Nu-nu...

KF> And where have you seen disk drives with 256 tracks? Even half a
KF> dose is enough for you...

For me, maybe, but that’s how it’s built into the gland. rtfm.

KF> And how many times a second do you press the reset button?

Sometimes - once a week, sometimes - once a minute.

KF> You have a scorpio - I saw that it means that the chest of a little girl also doesn’t move in 8 seconds, but much faster.

Either it’s MOA, or else it’s an iron-clad sequence of actions to exit from
reset.
In addition, on the Scorp the controller is turbocharged - all delays are half as much.

KF> This cannot be taken into account in the program, and skipping of STEP pulses does happen, but
KF> is detected when reading the track number - it can be corrected immediately, and
KF> can
KF> be driven back to 0 track.

Reading the address will take up much more space than repositioning. And, in
unlike recovery, it can be erroneous.

KF> If you use standard formats, then driving the
KF> heads to track 0 is only necessary if it falls outside the 80 tracks
KF> or
KF> on an unformatted disk or a disk with errors.

I don’t do it differences. Error? - to the garden.

WBR, Oleg.

KF>> half the dose...

OG> For me - maybe, but it’s in the gland. rtfm.

I don’t want to swear in the echo with bad words, but how many times have you already written this
RTFM? I'm not blind however. There are no drives with 256 tracks
, the maximum is 85 - RTFM itself. The head will reach the 80th track in
80*(3ms)=160ms, where did you get 9 seconds, I don’t know, probably the clock is faulty
or you need to smoke all sorts of crap less.

OG> Either it’s MOA, or else it’s an iron-clad sequence of actions to
OG> exiting the reset.
OG> Besides, on the controller is turbocharged - all delays are two
OG> times less.

I already know that MOA is not 1818VG93. But in the scorpion it’s not the MOA that moves the heads...

Tue Jun 01 1999, Roman Milukov squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach Oleg Grigoriev
:

Ah-ah-ah-ah... Roman received a node! On spec! PVT, really...

RM> + Origin: [...] (2:4616/29)

Ah-ah-ah-ah...

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06 Jun 99 02:03, Dmitry Lomov wrote to Kirill Frolov:

DL> will not work. after a hardware reset, the VG _automatically_ executes the
DL> command HOME _with_head_raised_. therefore, the drive will be
DL> turned off...

No one bothers to issue commands D0 and 08 when accessing the disk for the first time.
TR-DOS does approximately this, it also measures the speed at the same time.

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]

Sat 5 Jun 1999 at 01:15:08, Kirill Frolov => Oleg Grigoriev:

[skipped]

KF> I don’t want to swear in the echo with bad words, but how many times have you already written this
KF> RTFM? I'm not blind however. There are no drives with 256 tracks
KF>, a maximum of 85 is RTFM itself. The head will get there from the 80th track in
KF> 80*(3ms)=160ms,

You think well, I see...

KF> where you got 9 seconds, I don’t know, probably the clock is faulty
KF> or you need to smoke all sorts of nasty things less.

Ugh, damn it... She _will not_ get there.
Tired of it, go to the garden.

AS> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
AS> Why not? If you make a COOL editor,
My experience shows that you won’t write a COOL editor for yourself -
you will write ONLY WHAT YOU NEED and with the design/interface that
will more or less suit you, and on which you won’t spend so much time.
("My experience" is because I first started writing all my programs "for
myself.")

AS> can be called the only instance. The fleet of cars with an extended screen
AS> is VERY large. Take, for example, PROFI. As far as I know, it
AS> has been produced no less than since 1991 (if not earlier!).
Don't be confused. Pro-extended-mode is not quite a spectrum anymore...

Good luck! Evgeny.

■ The night is shorter than the day... The day will kill me... The world of illusions burns down in it. (C) Aria.

EM> Don't be confused. Pro-extended-mode is not quite
EM> Spectrum... ^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^
But I don’t understand such an attitude towards *PROFI*!!! What did you mean
by this? And what is so non-Spectrum about it in extended mode?! The fact that it contains hardware is what they are now trying to achieve on the same *PENTAGON* with the help of various
improvements (such as an extended screen, expanded memory,
substituting RAM instead of ROM from address zero, etc.)? Then
it turns out that _/any/_ ZX hung with modifications is
no longer _at all_ _Spectrum_!

*PROFI* in advanced mode is almost the same PENTAGON with all sorts of
currently fashionable devices!!! Only, perhaps, a little better :)

Or am I still wrong? Correct me if anything is wrong.

P.S. By the way, it wouldn’t be VERY bad if your (and others too)
terminal supported the standards of not only the Pentagon but also
the pros.

Have a strong connection!

Aleksey Sidelnikov.

OG>>> Reading an address will take up much more space than
OG>>> repositioning. And, unlike recovery, it may be
OG>>> wrong.
KF>> After the second attempt, you can drive the heads to the 0 road. Ultimately
KF>> will be faster - the probability of a sector CRC error is greater.

On Thursday, June 10, 1999 at 01:10:47, Aleksey Sidelnikov pressed the buttons for Evgeny
Milun about "":

AS> *PROFI* in advanced mode - it's almost the same
AS> PENTAGON with all sorts of
AS> currently fashionable devices!!! Only, perhaps, a little
AS> better :)

AS> Or am I still wrong? Correct me if something is wrong
AS>

I am 100% correct! :)

AS> P.S. By the way, it wouldn’t be VERY bad if yours (and
AS> others too)
AS> terminal supported not only
AS> Pentagon standards but also
AS> pros.

As long as it doesn’t support either one or the other :)
I’m talking about advanced modes...

\\|// ╟─┤asta la vista !!! Curator from the prefecture:
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AS> ^^^^^^^^
AS> But I don’t understand such an attitude towards *PROFI*!!! What did you want
AS> to say by this?
A pro with the “CP/M” button turned on is no longer a Spectrum, because At the same time, it has an architecture only vaguely reminiscent of the ZX Spectrum. (This, by the way, was written everywhere.)

AS> And why is it so
AS> non-Spectrum in the extended mode?!
Ports. Video memory. Something else.

AS> What is in it in hardware is that on
AS> the same *PENTAGON* are now trying to achieve with the help of various
AS> kinds of improvements (such as: extended screen, expanded memory,
AS> substitution of RAM instead of ROM from zero address, etc.)?
AS> Then
AS> it turns out that _/any/_ ZX hung with modifications is
AS> no longer _at all_ _Spectrum_!
Not just any one. There is no need to exaggerate.

AS> P.S. By the way, it wouldn’t be VERY bad if your (and others too)
AS> terminal supported not only the Pentagon standards but also
AS> pros.
Standard of what? Memory? So, I don’t need more than 128Kb. Connecting a
modem? So, do the Kondratieff scheme. :) Is it the screen? I'm
going to do this (as soon as I assemble a schematic for this very extension), but
the ANSI color sequences will not be visible.

EM> At such and such a disk rotation speed, count one or two bytes? Or did I
EM> not understand something?

If the track is unformatted, or all address marks are bits - 6 indexes. IMHO,
two are enough, but for some reason VG has six. This, as well as
the number of attempts, can be changed only in one way - take a more different VG. :)

WBR, Oleg.

TK>> Ah-ah-ah-ah... Roman received a node! On spec! PVT, really...
ET> my congratulations to him!

Hmm! :)
Viktor Kuzmin aka KVA of E-MAGE received the node half a year ago on speccy :)
2:451/19

ET> so what kind of software is it?
ET> and is it possible to somehow hold points? melon doesn't work :(

To work with points, we use a special ATOSS node tosser
written by KVA.
It must be admitted that it was written to work together with EMS :),
but nevertheless it allows you to maintain an autonomous station, i.e. accept
mail from users, loosen it, pack it, etc.
In short, if you are interested, ask the author yourself... 2:451/19

c Ya MiniSoft avec NRJ of Ascendancy Creative Labs

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Brothers!!!
Who has the circuit diagram for the modem for the speaker?

simple-SPY

ET> so what kind of software is that?
ET> and is it possible to somehow hold points? melon doesn't work :(

14 Jun 99 16:47, Vladimir Burlachenko wrote to ALL:

VB> Who has a modem circuit for the speaker?

Vicomm only. Wow.

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]

OG> Who can argue? The problem is different - Kirill just doesn’t want to understand that
OG> if the VG fails, it stops the recovery command after 256 _attempts_
OG> to take a step back.
You know, I can’t understand this either... Because... I know for sure that all
disk drives have a "Zero track" sensor. :))

KF> Vicomm only. Wow.
Please drop it

just-SPY

EM> You know, I can’t understand this either... Because... I know for sure that all
EM> disk drives have a “Zero Track” sensor. :))

Soooo... Okay, let's go around the third circle. Recovery stops either
on receipt of tr00, or after 256 attempts.

[ WBR, Oleg. ]
[ 16:12 17 June XXXIV A.S. ]

TK> We are waiting for the story... ;)
something is not stormy :(

TK> Tim Kelly

Always *yours* Eugene

RM> You can. Soft - Wild, MMD. And most importantly - hands.
what does MMD do?
do you have a tosser and reader under is-dos?
and the most important question: the wild ones have come to .img, how to develop this matter???

RM> All the best.
RM> Sincerely Roman.

Always *yours* Eugene

TK> We're waiting for the story... ;)

I'm wondering, will he also gain points? :) And keep their mail on floppy disks? :) Does the soaper know how to select the right floppy disk from the box? :) Or is the node, after all, for the sake of majority? ;)))

TK> Tim Kelly

With respect, Alex Noman.

ET> what does MMD do?

And this is the term “Macromodem”. Points take away her mail.

ET> and the tosser and reader are under your is-dos?

No. Tosser - AToss 2.0 by KVA. Under TR-DOS.
Under is-dos only Wild ones, I use them only for communication with the uplink.
Points are on vicomms.

ET> and the most important question: wild ones came to .img, how to deploy this???

For example, like this: Dickie.img lies on “D”, and there is a utility image.com.
Make an image D:Dickie.img /-A, it will expand this image to disk "A".
Then, whatever you think of (this disk turns out to be in some strange format). Here
there was a utility for processing such disks. Personally, I did it simply, but
labor-intensively - I copied everything to a normal disk with a program copy.com. :)

[Team Kelly] [I ZX]
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TK>> We are waiting for the story... ;)
ET> something is not going well :(

There can’t be a node on the spectrum.

In ZMH he can’t answer calls without Dickie. And if he can’t, then
he can’t be a node either.

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]

Relatively recently (Monday June 21, 1999), Kirill Frolov wrote to Eugene
Tyukaev:

KF> There cannot be a node on the Spectrum.
Well, this, to put it mildly, is not entirely true. There is such a thing as PVT Nodes.

KF> In ZMH he can’t answer calls without Dickie.
That’s for sure.

KF> And if he can’t, then he can’t be a node either.
And this is debatable.

With endlessly joyful wishes,
Vitaly (i...@pcgb.lv)

ET>> do you have a tosser and reader under is-dos?
RM> No. Tossep - AToss 2.0 by KVA. Under TR-DOS. Under is-dos only
RM> Wild, I use them only for communication with the uplink. Points - on
RM> vikommah.
what happens? Doesn't it come out automatically for you?
Is everything done manually or did I misunderstand something :-?

RM> All the best. Sincerely, Roman.

12:38:47 19-Jun-99 Always *yours* PointZ

since he distributes mail to points, it means he can :)

KF> He at ZMH cannot answer calls without Dickie. And if it can’t,
KF> then it can’t be a node either.
maybe, maybe :)

KF> Kirill Frolov.

02:44:26 21-Jun-99 Always *yours* PointZ

OG>>> Who can argue? The problem is different - Kirill just doesn’t want to understand that
OG>>> if the VG fails, it stops the recovery command after 256 _attempts_
OG>>> to take a step back.
EM>> You know, I can’t understand this either... Because... I know for sure that all
EM>> disk drives have a “Zero Track” sensor. :))

I apologize for the glitches. The server address temporarily remains 2:5050/59 for
technical reasons.
Sincerely, SP/PoS.

21 Jun 99 07:46, Evgeny Milun wrote to Oleg Grigoriev:

EM> Now I understand - if you hold your head and don’t let it arrive at
EM> the zero track, then after 256 attempts it will stop twitching? Maybe
EM> it can be... I don’t presume to judge here... :)

It can’t be, but it will be so. Tested in practice.

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]

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Hasta la vista.
Tim Kelly

... E-Mail: tim_...@mail.ru 500:622/1@zxnet ICQ UIN: 34684028

TK>> We're waiting for the story... ;)

AN> I'm wondering, will he also gain points? :) And keep their mail on
AN> floppy disks? :) Does the soaper know how to select the desired floppy disk from
AN> the box? :) Or is the node, after all, for the sake of majority? ;)))

Already holding it. On Vikommah. And a node is for membership in Fido, with voting rights.
Nowhere does it say that a node needs points.

Thu Jun 24 1999, Konstantin Samoylov squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach All
:

KS> I apologize for the glitches. The server address temporarily remains 2:5050/59 for
KS> technical reasons.

Well, you're gored! I tried a hundred times in my truck to rewrite
redirect requests to your address! And drag it again God knows where...
So wait for a bunch of %LIST %HELP to the point address ;)

June 26, 1998, Eugene Tyukaev squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach Tim Kelly:

ET> :-(
ET> ehhh....
ET> how can you make money using Spectrum?
ET> well, texts recruit... and how?

Here it is :( That’s why the moderator stays at home ;)))

TK> I seriously doubt it, because... I know that Roman’s finances are even worse than
TK> me ;( Maybe Ekha will chip in? ;)
I would be glad to chip in, but finances are also tight, I have
to act in a slightly strange way, first I go to the Crimea to my Father in the city of Belogorsk,
I ruin him there, and with peace of mind I go to Sevastopol.

Let’s, by the way, find out who is going to SSG, don’t write to Yahoo, but straight away to me, I’ll calculate it, and then I’ll throw the result into Yahoo. ;)

there are rumors that this guy seems to be going to Sevastopol again, if so
respond Smeshevtsy.

Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

KS>> 2:5050/59 for technical reasons.
TK> Wow, you gored! I tried to rewrite
TK> redirecting requests to your address a hundred times in my book! And again drag God knows
TK> where... So wait for a bunch of %LIST %HELP to the point address ;)
What can you do?! The software is added and edited on the fly. ;)
Sincerely, SP/PoS.

Fri 25 Jun 1999 you wrote here:

TK> How can you keep Vicomm and Hayes on the machine at the same time?

Keeping both Vicomm and Hayes on the same computer is not a problem.
The problem is the lack of software. The wild ones are in IS-DOS, AToss and Lara are in TR-DOS, and the
vicomm BBS too... It sucks.
You need a tosser and a vicomm soaper or a BBS in is-DOS. Or a soaper for chaos in
TR-DOS.

And it’s better to remake everything for NeOS...

ET>> :-( ehhh.... how can you make money using Spectrum? Well, texts
ET>> typing... and how?
TK> Here it is :( That’s why the moderator stays at home ;)))
well, that’s all?? no way to make any more money?
well, it just occurred to me to roll up the discs and sell them. (but something is wrong here)

TK> [Team Kelly] [I ZX] Hasta la vista. Tim Kelly

07:45 1.Jul.1999 Always *yours* PointZ

RM>>> on vikomm.
ET>> what happens? Doesn't it come out automatically for you? Is everything done by hand
ET>> or did I misunderstand something :-?
TK> How can you keep Vicomm and Hayes at the same time and automatically?
Are they running into an IRQ conflict? ;)
I understand - there is no universal program for two modems at once :(

■ Mon 28 Jun 1999 in 12:12:11 Vladimir Burenin wrote to Tim Kelly abt

VB> Let's, by the way, find out who is going to the SSG, don't write to Yahoo, but straight away to me with soap, I'll calculate it, and then throw
VB> the result to Yahoo. ;)

Don't worry.
You don't need to calculate anything!
If anyone is interested, you can ask the organizers themselves...

VB> there are rumors that this thing seems to be going to Sevastopol again
VB>, if so, please respond Smeshevtsy.

No.

VB> Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

■ See You!
/ Max aka Noize^Ph7
... "Everybody be cool, its a robbery!" (c)

30 Jun 99 08:27, Roman Milukov wrote to Tim Kelly:

RM> TR-DOS, and the Wicom BBS too... It sucks. You need a tosser and a vicomm
RM> soaper or BBS in is-dos. Or a soaper for chaos in TR-DOS.
~~~~~~~~
How can you write such programs in 10kb?

RM> It’s better to remake everything for NeOS...

Under CP/M.

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]

RM>> TR-DOS, and the Wicom BBS too... It sucks. You need a tosser and a vicomm
RM>> soaper or BBS in is-dos. Or soaper for haes in TR-DOS.

KF>> Under CP/M.

RM> Do it. I will use it.

I have FastEcho...

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]