New text editor for Spectrumists

What suggestions would you have?

The size of the visible text will be 80x22, but with the length of the text, who knows,
I’ll probably have to make a keel like this for 300, accordingly it won’t work for 128, but
with such a text size, problems arise such as deletion, insertion and the like
although you can try to do it at 128, but the text will be short since the
pages contain procedures for scrolling and the like already at the moment
3 pages are jam-packed...
I would preferably need help with a fast printer, since I have 80 characters
printed in as much as half a frame, how to do it faster for some reason I don’t have enough brains and
everything is in an expanded form.
I will also need help from the owners of the printer, due to the lack of one
there is no way I can make a print...
Scrolling the entire screen managed to be done in only 106 thousand cycles, but with
page leafing everything will be much slower due to the reason described above,
about 13 frames.
those who want to take part in this project, write in soap online, since I'm hanging out
on flopinet and haven't been reading very often lately, and I don't have enough time :( to read them, but I always read soap, even though sometimes I'm slow with
answers

Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

And it all started on May 13, 1999 at 17:46:37, when Vladimir Burenin
talked with All about a New text editor for Spectrumists

VB> I had an idea to make a text editor for Speckie
VB> under
VB> mode 512x192 pixels

VB> What proposals will there be?
I'm for it!

VB> The size of the visible text will be 80x22, but with the length of the text, who cares
VB> knows,
VB> you'll probably have to make a keel like this at 300, at 128, respectively, not
how won't it work like that?
I haven't done it yet, but it won't work anymore ;)
so it’s insanity to do online for >128!!!

[skip]
VB> the pages contain procedures for scrolling and the like already at this point
VB> moment 3
VB> the pages are crammed to capacity ..
so what if you smartly swap it to disk???

VB> Scroll everything I managed to make the screen in only 106 thousand cycles, but here's a humble guy...

[skip]
VB> Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT
VB> - Origin: Life is a bad thing, people die from it... (2:4621/14.55)
(c) 2:4621/14.55???

Always yours Eugene

Recently 13 May 99 at 17:46:37 Vladimir Burenin scratched All about New text editor
for Spectrumists

VB> Hi, All !
VB> I had an idea to make a text editor for Speckies under
VB> mode 512x192 dots.
VB> What proposals will there be?
VB> The size of the visible text will be 80x22, but with the length of the text, who knows
VB> knows,
VB> you will probably have to make a keel like this at 300, accordingly it won’t work at 128,
VB> but with such a text size, problems arise such as deleting, inserting, and
VB> similar.
[...yum...]

1. Will there be a mouse? ;)
2. If the text is "keel at 300", then as I understand it, this is not for 256k computers, so
at least 512? This is good, even very good, but will it really cost the editor as much as 212k? 8[ ], just Winword 7.0 “in miniature” ;)
3. What does All think about storing text as a doubly linked list? That is,
each element of the list contains not only a line, but also a pointer to the next
and to the previous line. Imho for such sizes this is very important, because
operations with text will be instantaneous without any brakes, only when the moment comes
that there is nowhere to place the entire line, you will have to do the so-called “compaction” of the text (and this will be quite rare)
(compaction is of course caused automatically bylack of space, imho for 300k
it will be a couple of seconds)
4. Under 128k, in principle, this is also possible, only there will be much fewer pages for text ;) (after all, you can work with memory through the driver)
5. A “correct” transfer of words would not hurt... (as in is-dos)
6. Well, in general, you can learn a lot of useful things (about functions) if you study some standard text editor for PC (for example, the editor in BP7.0)
;)

With best regards, Combinator/PH7.
[Powered by Z80] [intel outside]

Friday May 14 1999 01:10, Yuri Voynalovich wrote to Vladimir Burenin:

YV> 5. “Correct” word wrapping would not hurt... (as in is-dos)

The correct one is in WinWord 2.2. ;) There’s no way I’m going to force EM to implement a couple more
of “his” word wrapping algorithms... :(

YV> With best regards, Combinator/PH7.

With respect, Alex Noman.

Why not more? ;) 80*25. Still monochrome. Work with the screen
is organized through the driver so that the owners of the GMHA are not deprived. :)

VB> but with the length of the text, fig it
VB> knows, you’ll probably have to make a keel like this at 300, at 128

As much memory as you have, use that much.

VB> Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

With respect, Alex Noman.

zy. Although on the other hand, why the hell do we need another editor...? ;(

One day, Friday May 14, 1999 00:41, Eugene Tyukaev wrote to Vladimir Burenin:
VB>> The size of the visible text will be 80x22, but with the length of the text fig
VB>> knows it, you’ll probably have to make the keel like this at 300, under 128
ET> how can this not work?
ET> haven’t done it yet, but it won’t work ;)
ET> so it’s insanity to do only for >128!!!

at one time they discarded 48K as unnecessary, it’s time to do the same with
128K. There is no need to neuter the program just to ensure
compatibility with 128K.

ET> [skip]

with all limbs FOR! imho, you need to take all the good things from is-edit - the most useful text editor for specs.

VB> The size of the visible text will be 80x22, but with the length of the text, it doesn't matter
VB> knows, you'll probably have to do the keel like this at 300, under 128
VB> accordingly will not work, but with such a text size there are still

mean 512K only? Rulez, just what you need! imho, you need to use
additional memory more actively. otherwise they got stuck on 128 and that's it...

VB> problems like deleting, inserting and the like.
VB> although you can try to do it at 128, but the text will be short
VB> since the pages contain procedures for scrolling and the like
VB> at the moment 3 pages are already crammed to capacity...

this is possible. compatibility for the sake of...

14/05/99, 13:43. Artur Ishmurzin writes to Eugene Tyukaev:

AI> at one time they discarded 48K as unnecessary, it’s time to do the same
AI> with 128K. there is no need to castrate the program just to ensure
AI> compatibility with 128K.
And get the contempt of normal people in return.
Judging by your logic, then it’s time to discard the Spectrum.

Fuck you, Artur... That’s it... Bye...
Ya.

Friday May 14 1999 12:43, Artur Ishmurzin wrote to Eugene Tyukaev:

AI> at one time they discarded 48K as unnecessary, the time has come to do the same
AI> with 128K.

Well, of course... Let's write everything under the meg... Scorps and stumps (according to surveys)
most among the population. Moreover, stumps - 128...

AI> Best wishes, Artur. [ZX]

With respect, Alex Noman.

AN> Correct - in WinWord 2.2. ;) I can’t force him to implement a couple more
AN> of “his” word wrapping algorithms... :(

So, can you give me the algorithm?

Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

AN> As much memory as there is, so much to use.
It’s also correct, but for 128 there’s too little space left... :(

AN> PS. On the other hand, why the hell do we need another editor...? ;(
This is where you’re wrong, guy, where did you see a text editor with such
resolution on the spec? And if you add another 128 characters per line, then at all it's a blunder, for example, you have a diagram drawn 80 characters wide, then how would you like to see it better? Torn into 2 or entirely?

In my opinion, there is no editor for the 512*192 mode anywhere yet and this editor will be
very useful to many.

Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

So you don’t care, you’re sitting under the emulator anymore...
Moreover, 128 is morally outdated like 48, think about how people now
have to be distorted in order to fit everything in 128 memory?
Demos are constantly being counted (not all of them, of course), and the like...
And why do you need to do it under 128, and not under 512, slaves already It's been a long time since everyone learned to
use a soldering iron and finish up to 512, why did others do it?

ET> [skip]
VB>> the pages contain procedures for scrolling and the like already at this point
VB>> at the moment 3 pages are packed to capacity..

VB>> you will probably have to make a keel like this at 300, at 128, accordingly,
VB>> will not work,
VB>> but with such a text size, problems arise such as deleting, inserting and
VB>> the like.
YV> [...yum...]

YV> 1. Will there be a mouse? ;)
So, it will be, it will be, then you yourself write a driver for it, I’ll give you the source
. You yourself know very well that I don’t have it... after all, we live in the same building all our lives;)

YV> 2. If the text is “keel at 300”, then as I understand it, this is not for 256k computers,
YV> means at least 512? This is good, even very good, but will it really cost the editor as much as 212k
YV>? 8[ ], just winword7.0 “in miniature” ;)
Nope, don’t crash, I just roughly said that... And then suddenly you want to add something else, well, for example, text shifting or sliding, I
still haven’t really understood how to organize text with links, or rather
I understand, but then there will be a ton of these links dark, as much as 3 bytes per line, then
with such a scale, a text 13000 lines long will waste another plus
13000 * 3 bytes, and if there are a lot of just empty lines in it, then this
what the hell will happen...

Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

AI> with all limbs FOR! imho, you need to take all the good things from is-edit - the most
AI> rulez text editor for speckie.
In principle, this was planned, I don’t know (I didn’t check) whether it has such a thing
as vertical blocks, but then one individual gave me the idea to make more
blocks of any shape ;) However, somehow I never had to come across something like this, but for
those who like to draw with symbols, IMHO, it will be rulez immeasurable ;)

VB>> The size of the visible text will be 80x22, but with the length of the text, it doesn’t matter
VB>> knows, you’ll probably have to make a keel like this at 300, under 128
VB>> accordingly it won’t work, but with such a text size there are still

AI> mean 512K only? Rulez, just what you need! imho, you need to use
AI> additional memory more actively. otherwise they got hung up on 128 and that’s it...
How can I tell you, getting stuck in loops is one thing, but lack of memory is another thing,
I can imagine how much more space will be wasted for expanded procedures...

AB> And receive the contempt of normal people in return.
AB> Judging by your logic, then the time has come to discard the Spectrum.
Why cling to words so much? The logic is different for each person, if
a person strives to improve his computer, then this does not mean that he
is going to throw away the Spectrum, but it turns out that the further he wants
to advance the Spectrum, then therefore he wants to throw it away?
I followed your logic.
And if you follow the logic of AI, then on the contrary he is trying to develop his
Spectrum.

Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

AN> Well, of course... Let's write everything under the meg... Scorps and stumps (according to
AN> polls) are the most common among the population. Moreover, the stumps are 128...

heh, heh, of course you can write under meg, but this is just too much, right now I don’t know where to use all 512 keels, and you’ve already turned it down to meg.
And I repeat once again, why can’t these people who have 128 hemp
expand them to 512? If they can’t do it themselves, let them ask friends.
Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

Saturday May 15, 1999, Vladimir Burenin writes to Alex Noman:

VB> heh, what do I have? Now, if you are the owner, then write the driver and
VB>, and
VB> then I haven’t seen this crap, so I still have to do it... It’s better when the
VB> editor is finished, then I can give you the source code for
VB> torn to pieces (STORM)... ;))

You write an external driver for 512*256. Those who need it will remake it
to suit their screens... Text modes can be organized
even on pro, ATM, sprinter...
Only the entry points are worth discussing and describing...

[...]

AN>> a couple more “of our own” word hyphenation algorithms... :(
VB> So, can you give me the algorithm?

All the algorithms were transferred to EM. By the way, which ones are you interested in? There seems to be
nothing complicated, just common sense and the ability to sort out syllables. ;)

VB> Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

With respect, Alex Noman.

ps/ I wrote everything down in a notebook, shake it. :)

AB> And receive the contempt of normal people in return.
AB> Judging by your logic, then the time has come to discard the Spectrum.

VB> with such a resolution?

I haven’t seen it, but people will have to get used to the new editor again... :(

VB> In my opinion, there has never been an editor for the 512*192 mode anywhere and this
VB> editor will be very useful to many.

What is the probability that what has been started will be completed, by the way?

The brakes will be great... In Winward, when working with text, a keel of 60 is
noticeable, but if it’s 300, it will be absolutely beautiful. :)

AI>> at one time they discarded 48K as unnecessary, it’s time to do the same
AI>> with 128K. there is no need to neuter the program just to
AI>> to ensure compatibility with 128K.
AB> And to receive the contempt of normal people in response.
AB> Judging by your logic, then it’s time to discard the Spectrum.

VB>> knows it, you’ll probably have to make a keel like this at 300, at 128
VB>> accordingly it won’t work, but with such a text size there arise
VB>> still

AI> mean 512K only? right, just what you need! imho, to use
AI> you need additional memory more actively. otherwise they're fixated on 128 and
AI> that's it..
no, that's not necessary!
it's just _forcible_ coercion to put people on 512, PC reeks of ;)
exactly PC >:-E~

VB>> problems like deleting, inserting and the like. although you can
VB>> try to do it under 128, but the text will be short since in

And it all started on 14-May-99 at 13:43:38, when Artur Ishmurzin
talked with Eugene Tyukaev about the New text editor for Spectrumists

ET>> how can it not work? I haven’t done it yet, but it won’t work ;) so it’s
ET>> it’s insanity to do only for >128!!!
AI> at one time they discarded 48K as unnecessary, the time has come to do the same
AI> with 128K. There is no need to neuter the program just to
AI> to ensure compatibility with 128K
no, the time has not come yet! and what the hell is this anyway? just make drivers
for each extension (or let him make one for his own, in addition to the default one -
the Pentagon one), and let those who have 128 sit with less text or let
the disk drive sound more often ;)

AB> 128th. Only. ;)

We will focus on him. ;)

AB> Ya.

With respect, Alex Noman.

ps/ Well, and the speed of correspondence... 5025 - where is it? :)

Why load the entire text into memory? Did you see Isdos? There is one line in
memory, and 32kb is enough for you (so that it doesn’t slow down like IS-EDIT).

VB> It is advisable to need help with a fast printer, since I have 80
VB> characters printed in as much as half a frame, how can I make it faster for some reason
VB> I don’t have enough brains and so everything is in expanded form.

Maybe you should go to CODE.ZX and discuss this matter there?

If you don’t have access to ZXNET, you can probably do it here...

I think that you need a printer for lines of 85 characters and separately letter-by-letter.

VB> Scrolling the entire screen managed to be done in only 106 thousand cycles, but
VB> with page turning everything will be much slower due to the reason
VB> described above, approximately 13 frames.

IMHO it’s normal - in the storm it took 6 frames to scroll through and scrolled in 1 frame.
Only there was actually no scrolling - the entire screen was reprinted.

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]

YV> 212k will crash on the editor? 8[ ], straight winword7.0 "in

And who said that this is executable code in its pure form?

YV> miniature" ;) 3. What does All think about storing text in the form of
YV> doubly linked list? Those. Each list element contains not only a
YV> line, but also a pointer to the next and previous lines. Imho

Now, try to explain to me what the point is in this.
And what will happen when you go beyond the text located in RAM.

YV> for 300k it will be a couple of seconds) 4. Under 128k, in principle, it’s also possible,
YV> only there will be much fewer pages for the text ;) (after all, you can
YV> work with memory through driver) 5. “Correct” word wrapping is not

Only this is a Spectrum and here it’s a Z80, not an i80386 or higher.

Nobody bothers you to have a 32kb “window” in the text, which will be edited.
The remaining 96kb (from 128) can be used for the editor itself. The placement
of the text in memory very successfully falls into pages 2 and the top one - there is no need to click
extra pages, everything will be quick.

YV> would be in the way... (as in is-dos) 6. Well, in general, a lot of useful things (about
YV> functions) can be learned if you study some standard
YV> text
YV> editor for PC (for example, editor in BP7.0) ;)

There is no editor yet. And probably notwill be (I think so).

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]

Somewhere on May 15, 99 at 02:55:16 Vladimir Burenin typed Alex Noman about New text
editor for Spectrumists

VB> heh, heh, of course you can write under meg, but it’s too easy
VB>, I don’t know where all 512 keels are now
VB> use it, and you’ve already turned it down a bit.
How to where meg? Under the text, different windows so that you can open them, that is, multi-text... There are people who even have 2 mega... do it under 2! And +
cache+turbo mode

VB> And I repeat once again, why can’t these people who have 128
VB> hemp expand them to 512? If they can't do it themselves,
VB> let them ask friends.
I can do it myself, but I don’t want to...Sit with a soldering iron and hack away at a poor computer for the sake of 2-5
programs? Nope.
Let's say a coder, for example, wants 512 because alasm or ksas
supports it, and he uses it almost all the time. But as a muzaker or
fixer, I don’t need it at all. So if you make a program, then it should be a universal one.
It’s another matter if you’re just doing it just for yourself... in this case, at least you can sculpt under
16k specs.
But it seems to me that most programs on the Spectrum are written exactly like that, and
there’s nothing complete.

VB> Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

■ See You!
Maxim Deputat AKA Noize/Ph7

VB> Compatibility has nothing to do with it... Here the problem is already
VB> completely different...

Wait, let's be more specific. So you will make 128k not for compatibility? and why then does it need to be done at all? ;)

ET>> I haven’t done it yet, but it won’t work ;) so it’s crazy to do only
ET>> for >128!!!
VB> So you don’t care, you’re sitting under the emulator more... Moreover, 128
it’s not for you to tell me what I’m sitting on here >8-E~~
maybe you’ll also say that I’m for Spectrum didn't do anything??? 8E~

VB> is morally obsolete like 48, think for yourself how people now
VB> have to pervert in order to fit everything into 128 memory Dema
listen, you! remember yourself when you didn’t have something and how much you didn’t like
that that coder tailored the program for something that you don’t have!

VB> constantly taking notes (not all of them, of course), and the like... And
VB> why do you need to do it under 128, and not under 512, it’s time for everyone to learn to use a soldering iron long ago
VB> to learn how to use a soldering iron and finish it 512, why did others
VB> make
a _stupid_ statement - “why others did it”, maybe because others don’t have
any acquaintances or money to do 512k, and _never_ need to force
something on people, even though it’s really cool.

ET>> [skip]

ET>> so it’s crazy to do only for >128!!!
AI> at one time they discarded 48K as unnecessary, it’s time to do the same
AI> with 128K. there is no need to castrate the program just to ensure
AI> compatibility with 128K.
There is no need to inflate the program just to say “no one has ever had this before.”

Good luck! Evgeny.

■ The night is shorter than the day... The day will kill me... The world of illusions burns down in it. (C) Aria.

AI> mean 512K only? Rulez, just what you need! imho, you need to use
AI> additional memory more actively. otherwise you got stuck on 128 and that’s it...
And often do you fill files up to 300Kb in length?

Friday May 14 1999 17:37, Alex Noman ─── Yuri Voynalovich:

YV>> 5. “Correct” word wrapping would not hurt... (as in is-dos)
AN> The correct one is in WinWord 2.2. ;) There’s no way I’m going to force EM to implement a couple more
AN> of “his” word wrapping algorithms... :(
Whose “theirs” are these? Why in quotes, huh? :) And what are your
new algorithms?

And the copyright on them is mine. :)))) Although no, our joint...
And the idea is not at all complicated. First, you look for a place where you _potentially_ can
transfer a given word (6-7 rules are used), then you check _if_
_really_ _whether_ this can be done (3-4 rules). After all the transfer places, you choose the most economical one (so that as little as possible is transferred to the next line). And that’s it, telemarket.

Saturday May 15 1999 01:26, Vladimir Burenin ─── Eugene Tyukaev:

VB> And why do you need to do it at 128, and not at 512, everyone has long been slaves
VB> to learn how to use a soldering iron and finish up to 512, why others done
[.....]
VB> In my opinion, I’m not writing Windows ;))) And especially what kind of swaps, when there are 512 keel
VB> memory.
The trouble is that the creators of Windows think exactly this way - “it’s time...

finish/purchase/buy a new one/etc.>, and we’ll make support for all this.
And then in We'll write down the requests."
And the good thing about Spectrum is that the program developers do not impose any hardware on
users...

Under what? Under the text? IMHO 60-70Kb for the Spectrum _editor_ -
pretty good. Moreover, taking into account the restrictions on the size of the tr-dos file.
Yes, by the way, can you imagine how quickly such text will be processed
(formatted, edited, searched, etc.)? Let's say
you are going to insert the contents of the edit buffer at the very beginning of
200 KB of text. Or more precisely, you add a new line, which
will be the first in the text. How long will it take for the required separation to occur? And
considering that the text is on the pages? For example, I managed to achieve
only the same speed as in ZX-WinWord v2.2

AN> All algorithms have been transferred to EM. By the way, which ones exactly are you interested in?
By the way, who is EM? I don’t remember anything, and the post office is old enough to look for
:((((

AN> There seems to be nothing complicated, just common sense and the ability to sort
AN> into syllables. ;)
heh, heh, I have more than enough common sense, but I’ve always had big
problems with grammar, just think what normal person would write a 10
point dictation system for 1 point? And that was only me out of 25 people ;)))

Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

AN> The brakes will be great... In Winward, when working with text, a keel of 60 is noticeable
AN>, but if it’s 300, it will be absolutely beautiful. :)
I don’t think so, since there is already one very good method, even if it’s at least
1 MB, it won’t slow down ;)), but in terms of the number of lines, the limitation will be
specific...
I’ll try to get rid of the brakes altogether with this editor, today I dug into
the code and optimized the typing of the entire screen to 6 frames instead of 13
;))

But in general, this speed is only when outputting text directly without any
poking around in a huge text, probably when meaningful
text is output, and not repetitive nonsense, then it will soon decrease to 8 frames, if not
less...

Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

AN> It depends on your luck. :) There will be an incentive to upgrade. ;)
All the same, I feel sorry for those who have 128 kb, although if people made themselves a mode
512*192, then it’s not so difficult to make 512 kb.
I have Leningrad in general, so I completely adjusted it to the Pentagon, there were
problems with the 512*192 mode, at the Pentagon it is much easier to organize, but
thanks YV, all these problems have been solved ;)

Proposal to make it at least close in capabilities and ease of working with
WRITER 3 (for CP/M)
Otherwise, I personally won’t be lured into any other subject by any carrot. ;)

\\|// ╟─┤asta la vista !!!
o(@ @)o -=POWer/WDG/AF=-
-----ooO-(_)-Ooo----- √E-Mail: w...@hello.to

Well, what do you think about text in the form of a doubly linked list? After all, there will mostly be no brakes _at all_, only when unloading text, or when the memory
runs out ;)

With best regards, Combinator/PH7.
[Powered by Z80] [intel outside]

YV>> 1. Will there be a mouse? ;)
VB> So, it will be, it will be, so you yourself write a driver for it, I will give you
VB> the source code. You yourself know very well that I don’t have it...
VB> after all
VB> we’ve been living in the same building all our lives ;)
Yes??? So why were you silent before! ;))). and if there are a lot of just empty
VB> lines in it, then what the hell will happen...

Vovik! Just look at how much memory you've already wasted for different scrolling/outputs,
and here you're saving a few bytes in a line, without which all these scrolling will be in
one place due to _MUCH_ large brakes on operations with text ;)

AI>> proceed with 128K.
AN> Well, of course... Let's write everything under the meg... Scorps and stumps (according to

no. you didn’t understand. I wanted to say that if the capabilities of the program
significantly deteriorate when the only 512K mode is not implemented, then in no case
should you try
to push the software into 128K. Another thing, if the author has a desire, then he can
implement work with memory like in Pink Floyd (there is memory - we use
it and all the capabilities of the editor are available, if there is no memory - we swap it to disk and there are no
any particularly capacious capabilities) in this situation, the user himself
wants to expand the memory.
imho, what keeps Sinclairists from increasing the memory is the lack of software,
for which it is required more than 128K. The way of thinking is this - "...under 128 everything
works." Just don't need sarcastic grins - "So let's write all the programs" - I mean ONLY those programs in which the use of
additional memory is most appropriate.

AN> surveys) most among the population. Moreover, there are 128 stumps...

We need to expand, expand. two hours with a soldering iron - and there are no problems.

to follow up on the previous message, I propose to conduct a survey of Spectrum owners
outside Fido using the following template:

1. type of computer (ATM, Pro, etc.)
2. amount of memory (if more than 128K, then on which ports)
3. various hardware add-ons (Kovox, GMX, GS, turbo, etc.)

each a subscriber to this echo can conduct a survey in his city, and the results
will be discussed here, say, in a month.
as they say, statistics is the greatest science of our time :)

> well, what do you say, All?

There is no need to exaggerate my words. you might think that you are an enemy of the Spectrum? why freeze the platform, or rather, what's left of it? While Spectrum can
develop, it must do so. the time has come for 512K (I’m not saying 256, which
would be more expedient, since 512K in 128 cars is easier to do)
I read in ZF, issue 6, like (or 7?), how Slavik suffered when he wrote the CV? I would have done it at 256K... mmm... although this is a double-edged sword - there would be fewer buyers. but how many people would finally expand their memory in order
to gamble in CV!

you need software. intended!

ET> this is so slow! that's a completely different matter - ZXWord under tr-dos
ET> only of course to add to it more functions for text formatting and

I don't argue for trdos ZXWord is the most, the most. but is-edit is a complete blast. true
at maximum speck acceleration. I did this: 1. to work in isdos
I use a RAM disk with port #7FFD, since it is faster to manage computer memory
from it, 2. the 7 MHz turbo mode has a very good effect on the speed of
the system. the frame contains all the necessary system files, is-edit and is-print, and
there are still 220-230 kilobytes left for other needs (for a 384K frame disk). everything
works quickly, the brakes in the editor are felt only in block operations with
a load of more than 60 - 70 kg.

VB> Why cling to words so much? The logic is different for each person,
VB> if a person strives to improve his computer, then this does not mean
VB> that he is going to discard the Spectrum, but it turns out that the
VB> further he wants to advance the Spectrum, then therefore he wants
VB> to discard it?
VB> So I followed your logic.
VB> And if you follow the logic of AI, then he on the contrary, I am trying to develop my
VB> Spectrum.
Indeed, I completely agree with your opinion. And then when you work with some programs on 128Kb, then you yourself begin to think that it would be much easier to do this on a PC, and not suffer on your Speccy. But
when you work in 512-1024Kb, you don’t even remember about it. A whole
lot of possibilities and horizons are opening up.

With respect, Musa Khaybullin.

AN>> (according to surveys) most of all among the population. Moreover, stumps -
AN>> 128...

VB> heh, heh, of course you can write under meg, but this is just too much, I
VB> now I don’t know where to use all 512 keels,
For example, I don’t have enough meters, half is occupied by the resident system - Honey Commander sits in
memory, and half is a ram disk. Soon I will install 4 mega - I will finally allocate 2 mega for the ram disk and will upload all received mail there and unzip it there. And then about 600 kilobytes of mail arrive per day,
you start unzipping, you have to change as many as 2 disks, and then you unzip everything in
accelerated mode.
VB> and you’ve already bent it by a meg.
VB> And I’ll repeat again, why can’t these people who have 128 hemp
VB> expand them to 512 ? If they can’t do it themselves, let them ask friends.

Longevity and prosperity to you, Vladimir!

With respect, Musa Khaybullin.

My on-board systems detected that on Monday May 17, 1999 11:51, Artur
Ishmurzin wrote All:

AI> to follow up on the previous message, I propose to conduct a survey of owners of
AI> Spectrum outside Fido using the following template:

AI> 1. type of computer (ATM, Pro, etc.)
Pro 1024, soon there will be 4 mega.
AI> 2. memory capacity (if more than 128K, then on which ports)
Ports: #FDFD, #DFFD, #7FFD, under the dos - #FFF7, #FFE7 (it will sit
4 meters).
AI> 3. various hardware add-ons (Kovox, GMH, GS, turbo, etc.)
There are the following bells and whistles: turbo, GS, XTR and Hayes modem.

Health and prosperity to you, Arthur!

Sincerely, Musa Khaybullin.

AI>> with all limbs FOR! imho, you need to take all the good things from is-edit
AI>> - the most useful text editor for speckies.
VB> In principle, this was planned, I don’t know (I didn’t check) whether it
VB> has such a thing as vertical blocks,

the is-dos classic 4.0 editor has a rather necessary and convenient thing. great
these rectangular blocks helped me out when I had to work at home.

VB> but then another
VB> individual gave me an idea to make more blocks of any shape ;) It’s true that I never had
VB> encountered something like this, but for those who like to draw with symbols, IMHO,
VB> the rulez will be immense ;)

of any shape? this, for example, you can cut out the following text:

***
*******
****
**

did I get the idea correctly? If so, I don’t even know if this is necessary? although...
there is a need for something like this, but rarely...

VB>>> The size of the visible text will be 80x22, but with the length of the text
VB>>> who knows, you’ll probably have to make a keel like this at 300, under 128
VB>>> accordingly it won’t work, but with such a text size there are
VB>>> still

AI>> that means 512K only? Rulez, just what you need! imho,
AI>> you need to use additional memory more actively. otherwisestuck
AI>> on 128 and that's it...
VB> Well, how can I tell you, being stuck in a loop is one thing, but lack of memory is
VB> another, I can imagine how much more space for expanded procedures
VB> will be wasted...

yes, I mean that in 512K mode there will be no memory restrictions, it will be possible
to implement everything planned....

AN>> Well, of course... Let's write it all down... Scorps and stumps
AN>> (according to polls) are the most common among the population. Moreover, stumps -
AN>> 128...
VB> heh, heh, of course you can write under meg, but this is just too much, I

And if you want to edit a 16 MB file, will you install a 16 meter
simm in the spectrum? The off-topic is already starting here, everything is simpler there.

AI> Do you want a second isdos? or have you forgotten how it mocks the disk?

There the buffer is very small. And the disc is still soft.

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]

VB> 512
VB> keel of memory.

Can you imagine a long text file? About 2-3 meters?

Just don’t remember about the floppy disk and tr-dos - nothing will work out there
There will be problems with text volumes of 300 kb.

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]

In the direction of offtopic. The Spectrum will soon be more expensive and you won’t be able to buy it.
In St. Petersburg. there are only KAY and SPRINTER (>=512kb). And in none of them there is
any possibility of making the mode 512x192. Kaya pays $40, sprinter
about $80.

AI>> with all limbs FOR! imho, you need to take all the good things from is-edit -
AI>> the most useful text editor for specs
ET> so this is slow! that's a completely different matter - ZXWord under tr-dos
ET> only of course to add to it functions for text formatting and

KF> There is no editor yet. And it probably won’t (I think so).
You’re wrong to think so, if I take on something necessary, I’ll try to finish it,
the probability of not finishing it is only 5%, and that’s only if I die.
Games are another matter, as for me they don’t need much, at the same time, in parallel with the
editor, I’m also making noise, but so far it’s slow (no levels, almost
no graphics), I’m making an editor and I feel like I’m going to be stuck with this game for a long time...
everyone is too lazy to draw levels, and I won’t draw 30 more levels myself, but with the graphics then
in general...

And if I don’t finish it, I’ll give the source code to someone else to be torn to pieces.

For some reason, no one needs anything lately, no one cares anymore... They constantly look at life pessimistically, where are we heading? ?

Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

AI>>> this is possible. for the sake of compatibility...
VB>> Compatibility has nothing to do with it... Here the problem is already
VB>> completely different...

MD> Wait, let's be more specific. So you will make 128k not for compatibility? and
MD> why then should it be done at all? ;)
I’m not talking about that, I’m talking about the amount of memory, you have to decommission too much...

Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

AI>> Spectrum owners outside Fido using this template:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
don't slow down!

One day, Monday May 17, 1999 15:45, Maxim Deputat wrote to Vladimir
Burenin:

MD> Where should I go? Under the text, different windows so that you can open them, that is,
MD> multi-text... There are people who even have 2 mega... do it under
MD> 2! And + cache+turbo mode

it is possible, in principle, to provide for the use of these bells and whistles, but not
as a prerequisite.

One day, Monday May 17, 1999 17:21, Eugene Tyukaev wrote to Vladimir
Burenin:

VB>> becomes morally obsolete like 48, think about how people now
VB>> have to pervert in order to fit everything into 128 Dema’s memory
ET> listen, you! remember yourself when you didn’t have something and how you didn’t
ET> like that that coder tailored the program for something that you don’t have!

I don’t know about him, but after analyzing the program and its necessity, I decide
whether I need to tinker with the computer again to implement this something. For example, the only thing that keeps me from making a 512x192 pixels mode is the lack of software.
I don’t use all sorts of Laras, Melons and Zeds (see tierline)

VB>> I have to constantly calculate (not all of them, of course), and the like... And
VB>> why do you need to do it under 128, and not under 512, we’ve been working on it for a long time everyone

AI>> to ensure compatibility with 128K.

EM> There is no need to bloat the program just to say
EM> “no one has ever had this before.”

Well, who’s talking about bloat?! We are talking about the need to use
extended memory! It’s enough to remember the isdos:

when was it made? correct, in 1992-93
what amount of memory was dominant then? again correct - 48K
...let's move on...
Were there 128K then? yes, I agree, in the minority
and now what are we seeing? - 48K has outlived its usefulness, the situation is repeating itself again,
only the place of 48K is now taken by 128K.

What does it have to do with isdos? - you ask. this is so, in my word......

VB>>>> the pages contain procedures for scrolling and the like already
VB>>>> at the moment 3 pages are packed to capacity..
ET>>> so what if you smartly swap to disk???
VB>> I think I’m not writing Windows ;))) And especially what kind of swaps, when
VB>> there is 512 keel of memory
ET> and if I have a text at 450k??? what to do?

“Theirs” - because it’s stupid to call the rules of the Russian language your own. ;) And _my_
- because I imposed them on you in a telephone conversation. :) The author even mentioned this in the help. ;)

EM> And what new algorithms do you have?

So you forgot everything? Have you really lost your notes? :-( ) I don’t remember anything myself.
%)

EM> Good luck! Evgeny.

With respect, Alex Noman.

Monday May 17, 1999 16:55, Evgeny Milun wrote to Vladimir Burenin:

VB>> So, can you give me the algorithm?
EM> And the copyright on them is mine. :). :))

OP> Suggestion, make it at least close in capabilities and convenience
OP> working with WRITER 3 (for CP/M)

Well, here we go... I’ve vulgarized everything. :) The man has already promised that I won’t have to _get used to_
the new editor.

OP> Otherwise, personally, you won’t be able to lure me into any other subject with any carrot
OP>. ;)

Me too. ;) But he promised me the very first. :-P %)

OP> o(@ @)o -=POWer/WDG/AF=-

With respect, Alex Noman.

MD> for the sake of 2-5 programs? Nope. Let's say, for example, an encoder wants 512, because
MD> that alasm or xas supports it,

Xas clicks on the FD port with the 6th bit set. That is, the texts
live in the upper memory, but XAS does not use _all_ the upper memory. :( That’s why the coders sitting in
xass don’t need anything. :)

MD> Maxim Deputat AKA Noize/Ph7

With respect, Alex Noman.

VB>> And if you add another 128 characters to the line, then generally
VB>> it will be a blunder, for example, you have a diagram drawn in
VB>> 80 characters wide, then how can you best see it? Torn by 2
VB>> or entirely?
EM> :))) But we don’t have this diagram. As far as I know, it doesn’t
EM> exist for Scorpios.

E-my... Well, I’m already uncomfortable with RM. :) He sent both you and me this diagram. :))
And he urgently asked me to convey the scheme to you. ;) The author is a certain
Kirill Frolov. :)

Tell me more, otherwise I’m already starting to think badly about your editor. ;)

Monday May 17, 1999 01:21, Vladimir Burenin wrote to Alex Noman:

AN>> All algorithms have been transferred to HIM. By the way, which ones exactly are you interested in?
VB> By the way, who is EM? I don’t remember anything, and the mail is too old to
VB> look :((((

This is _not_ a moderator. :)

AN>> There seems to be nothing complicated, just common sense and the ability
AN>> to sort it out syllable by syllable. ;)
VB> heh, heh, I have more than enough common sense,

[...]

Let the author tell everything, otherwise I'll make a mistake - they'll stammer :)

Monday May 17, 1999 01:25, Vladimir Burenin wrote to Alex Noman:

AN>> I haven’t seen it, but people will have to get used to the new editor again...
VB> Why get used to it? After all, it can be made standard, well, plus there are
VB> a bunch of useful functions ;))

Oh! I'll take your word for it. :) The standard for me is (at least) Khokhlovsky
editor. :)

2 POWer: All witnesses, he won't look like the MCP. ;))

Monday May 17, 1999 23:20, Yuri Voynalovich wrote to Alex Noman:

AN>> The brakes will be great... In Winward, when working with text, the keel is
AN>> 60 - this is noticeable, but if 300 - it will be absolutely beautiful. :)
YV> Well, what do you think about the text in the form of a doubly linked list?
YV> After all, mostly there will be no brakes _at all_, only when unloading
YV> text, or when the memory runs out ;)

Somehow I can’t imagine a doubly linked list. :( Bay further...
More details...

That is, we have a list that contains the lines themselves and links to each
next element of the list. Is this the first connection? And what does the second connect with what? Or am I
in the wrong steppe? :)

YV> With best regards, Combinator/PH7.

With respect, Alex Noman.

Monday May 17, 1999 10:36, Artur Ishmurzin wrote to Eugene Tyukaev:

AI> we need to conduct a survey - what amount of memory prevails among the masses.
AI> everyone in their city will do such a survey, and we will discuss the results here.

We did some kind of survey. There you could see in which cities which computers dominate. And the CIS (if it ever comes out) should give the most complete
results.

AI> Best wishes, Artur.

With respect, Alex Noman.

Are you reading the messages carefully? ;) We have all known about those in Fido for a long time.
;)))

MK> With respect, Musa Khaybullin.

With respect, Alex Noman.

15 May 99 02:55, Vladimir Burenin wrote to Alex Noman:

VB> And I repeat once again, why can’t these people who have 128 hemp
VB> expand them to 512? If they can’t do it themselves, let them ask
VB> friends.

My Spectrum now has 512kb. But if I need a turbo mode
or other improvements, then I need another board - this
will no longer withstand 3-layer sandwiches from microcircuits! Well, if I
buy another board, then I need to solder again so that all the modifications can be made...
But what other board can I buy? Scorpio - nothing
good will come from him. Sprinter too. Kai may be suitable,
but THERE IS NO SCHEMES. :-( You should only count on those spectra that
were mass-produced, and not on homemade ones.

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]

VB> a year ago, and it doesn’t threaten me... While I’m not working, I have time
VB>... ;) And when I work, I can write on emul
VB> ;))

People! Show me at least one person who wrote some kind of release on emulsion! If there are such people, a monument to them;)

VB> Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

■ See You!
Maxim Deputat AKA Noize/Ph7

EM> joint...
EM> And the idea is not at all complicated. First, you look for a place where
EM> _potentially_ you can
EM> transfer the given word (6-7 rules are used), then
EM> you check _a_
EM> _really_ _it can be done (3-4 rules). After
EM> from all places
EM> of transfers you choose the most economical one (so that as little as possible is transferred to the next
EM> line). And that’s it, telemarket.

All this is good... But since you, Vovik, are making an editor for people, you are
making a release, right? then we need to support Ukrainian... :) It is clear
that it is a transfer of English. There won’t be any problems with this, since as far as I know
there is at least one letter transferable. But it's not pretty. It will also be more clear if
you use syllables.
And a couple of questions:
- will there be macros?
- auto-correct?
- centering the line / left / right
- will the line be limited to 80 characters or will it be possible to have more, as in
zxword?

Saturday May 15 1999 01:55, Vladimir Burenin ─── Alex Noman:

AN>> Well, of course... Let's write everything under the hood... Scorps and stumps (according to
AN>> polls) are the most popular among the population. Moreover, stumps - 128...
VB> heh, heh, of course you can write under meg, but this is just too much, I
VB> now I don’t know where to use all 512 keels,
Why then did you raise the bar for the recommended configuration so high?

AN> All the algorithms have been transferred to EM.
You’ve completely gone fishing there beyond the Volga... You’re only a co-author.

AN> By the way, which ones exactly are you interested in? There seems to be nothing complicated there, just common sense and the ability to sort out syllables into
AN> syllables. ;)
I told you... :))) You don’t even remember.

AN> ps/ I wrote everything down in a notebook, shake it. :)
For spreading trade secrets... :))))

VB>>>> accordingly will not work, but with such a text size there arise
AI>>> does it mean 512K only? right, just what you need! imho,
AI>>> you need to use additional memory more actively. otherwise
AI>>> they got fixated on 128 and that’s it..
ET>> no, that’s not necessary! it's just _forcible_ coercion to plant
ET>> people on 512, PC smells ;) exactly PC >:-E~
AI> means the philosophy is like this - programmers should think about the people, and
AI> people don't care about programmers? poor software makers have already turned
AI> into masochists trying to cram every new program into a pitiful 128K
well, I’m not saying this: PEOPLE!!!!! don’t do these stupid tricks for yourself -
this reeks of PC!!!
by the way, our masochists even make very good programmers/coders
on other platforms, and by the way, because of 128 kB ;)
but still there should be support for 128 kB, because not all the time zxword'e sit?

VB>>>> try to do it under 128, but the text will be short as in

ET>> y others don’t have any friends or money to make 512k, and
ET>> _never_ need to force something on people, even though it
ET>> is really cool.
AI> what kind of money???? the cost of a handful of small circuits and 2 lines of RU7, not
AI> I know about you, but in our city no more than 1.00, and 1MB SIM card
AI> costs 1.5. which for the Spectrum has a lot of things needed :)
and I attributed the money to those comrades who demand it for some
expansion, after all, not everyone is such an expert in soldering or circuit design or something like that?!

ET>>>> [skip]

VB>>>>> at the moment 3 pages are packed to capacity..
ET>>>> so what if you smartly swap to disk???
VB>>> I think I’m not writing Windows ;))) And especially what kind of swaps when
VB>>> there are 512 keels of memory
ET>> and if I have text on 450k??? what to do?

VB>> 80 characters wide, how do you see it better? Torn by 2
VB>> or entirely?
EM> :))) But we don’t have this diagram. As far as I know, it does not exist for scorpios.

17 May 99 17:16, Musa Khaybullin wrote to Vladimir Burenin:

MK> yourself on Speccy. But when you work in 512-1024Kb, you don’t even remember about it
MK>. A whole bunch of possibilities and horizons open up.

And the ramdisk with all the files on it closes.

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]

17 May 99 17:22, Musa Khaybullin wrote to Vladimir Burenin:

MK> For example, the meter is not enough for me, half is occupied by the resident system
MK> - Honey Commander sits in the memory, and half is a RAM disk.
MK> Coming soon

Or maybe you just need an HDD?

A lot of memory and fast access. Just don’t hit and kick him :-(

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]

EM> move the given word (6-7 rules are used), then you check _a_
EM> _really_ _it can be done (3-4 rules). After all the places
EM> of transfers, you choose the most economical one (so that as little as possible is transferred to the next line
EM>). And that’s it, telemarket.

So, the whole problem is that I don’t know how to break down syllables :(((
I hate humanities subjects!!!

Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

MK> Indeed, I completely agree with your opinion. And then when
MK> you work with some programs on 128Kb, then you yourself begin to think that
MK> it would be much easier to do this on a PC, and not suffer on your Speccy. And
MK> when you work in 512-1024Kb - you don’t even remember about it.
MK> A whole bunch of possibilities and horizons open up.

Finally there are normal people with common sense!!!

Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

MK> For example, a meter is already not enough for me, half is occupied by the resident system -
MK> in
A meter is not enough?!!!
Well, here you have gone too far, although it depends on everyone: everyone according to their needs and
needs (c) Communism ;))))

MK> Memory sits Honey Commander, and half is a frame drive. Soon I'll install 4
MK> mega
MK> - I'll finally allocate 2 mega for the ram-disk and I'll upload all
MK> received mail there and unzip it there.
Have you ever thought that electricity has such a property as
disappearing for a couple of seconds sometimes?
So, receive mail on normal disks, then you'll have there will be no problems

Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

VB>> now I don’t know where to use the entire 512 keel, and you’ve already bent it a little
VB>>.

AN> I’m exaggerating. :). it means that others don’t need it, you can’t expand
your computer and then you’re sitting on junk!!!
I can actually make and sell this editor, otherwise it will be frivolous
!!!

The Spectrum is already bent, and you here don’t have 512 keel, so not everyone has it, so
everything needs to be done at 128, I’ll give a damn about this opinion !!!
I’m in general! this editor was planning to do this for himself and for his friends online!!!

By the way, regarding 512 keel, in our city I know only 5 spektrumists, and 3
of them have 512 keel of memory, our muzakers only have 128 each, more like one of them
says why don’t you need it, well, why don’t you take the flag into his hands

If you don’t want to expand, don’t!!!

Sit and type texts on ZX-Word and ruin your eyesight

Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

AI> ***
AI> *******
AI> ****
AI> **
AI> did I catch the idea correctly? if so, I don’t even know if it’s really necessary?
AI> although... there is a need for something like this, but rarely...
Yes, you understood me absolutely correctly ;)))
Well, in principle, you can not do it, as you wish... it’s easier for me ;)

Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

EM> 200 KB text. More precisely, you add a new line, which
EM> will be the first in the text. How long will it take for the required separation to occur? A
EM> considering that the text is on the pages? For example, I managed to achieve
EM> only the same speed as in ZX-WinWord v2.2
Believe me, even if it slows down, it will be very rarely, because of this doubly linked
list, which is all over YV, all problems are solved as long as there is memory
it won’t slow down _ABSO_, then when the memory runs out, it won’t slow down for
a long time, a little longer than yours, the text was pulled up, the memory was freed, and again
whole hours of flights were not in a dream, but in reality!!!

AN>>> sir. Although on the other hand, why the hell do we need another editor...? ;(
VB>> This is where you are wrong, guy, where did you see a text editor with
VB>> such a resolution on a Specky?
EM> And where did you see that such a resolution would already become standard?
Well, damn it, then, that 512 keel is also not standard? Or maybe because
there was no AY on 48, then on 128 is also not standard?
In my opinion, everything new that flows into our lives becomes standard ;)

VB>> And if you add another 128 characters to a line, then generally
VB>> it will be a blunder, for example, you have a diagram drawn 80
VB>> characters wide, then how can you best see it?Torn in 2 or whole
VB>> ?

VB>> I don’t think so, since there is already one very good method, let
VB>> be at least 1 MB, it won’t slow down ;)), but in terms of the number of lines
VB>> there will be a specific limitation...
AN> TasWord N? :) It turns out why you need memory. ;)
Forget it, this method is no longer needed, I’ll implement it in the form of a doubly connected speech

AN> Tell me more, otherwise I’m already starting to think badly about your editor.
AN> ;)
You can think as you want, I don’t care, but it will be spared from the brakes, since
sliding and sliding the text won’t take any time at all, unless it’s like this
per beat 4 more, if not less ;)

Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

AN> Oh! I'll take your word for it. :) The standard for me is (at least) the Khokhlovsky
AN> editor. :). ;). buffered keyboard polling
2. Editing the buffer, the cursor is stuck
3. Soon I’ll move on to editing the text itself, when I’ll write the editor to
to such an extent that you can already, with grief, type texts for the test on the floors
I’ll post Yahoo, and so all you have to do is wait, on the day according to the procedure and so
we’ll end up in a fool ;))

Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

VB>> What suggestions would there be?

OP> Suggestion, make it at least close in capabilities and ease of use
OP> with
OP> WRITER 3 (for CP/M)
OP> Otherwise, I personally, you won’t be able to lure me into any other subject with any carrot.
OP> ;)
Well, write what capabilities it has, I won’t see it saw.

2ALL: let's discuss design problems and everything else, I think I only have 2
problems left:
1. Design
2. Word wrapping

So there are also such proposals: to make work with MS-DOS disks, whoever writes
a program to work with them, I am a complete 0 in working with VG93 and in general with the fatty MS-DOS
disks, I just somehow didn’t have to, 3d13 was always enough...
Just take into account fragmentation, directories and the like.

Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

AN> I can’t imagine a doubly linked list. :( Bay further...
AN> More details...

AN> That is, we have a list that contains the lines themselves and links to each
AN> next element of the list. Is this the first connection? And what is the second connection with what?
AN> Or am I
AN> in the wrong steppe? :)

In short, here is the future format of the line:

len prv nxt string
len - line length
prv - address the beginning of the previous line
nxt - the address of the beginning of the next line
string - the line itself without #0d0a

And thanks to such a doubly linked list, the text in memory will be stored in any order, and every time a line is inserted, there is no need to move the text apart, but simply put a link to the end of the text, and add
it there, and when the memory runs out, just this text then you tighten it up,
no problems, the tightening will happen very rarely, and when you delete
it’s the same, just the links of the lines before and after are changed and that’s it.

Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT

Thu May 13 1999 17:46 you wrote to All:

VB> The size of the visible text will be 80x22, but with the length of the text, it doesn’t matter
VB> knows, you’ll probably have to make a keel like this at 300, at 128 accordingly it won’t
VB> will work, but with such a text size problems arise, such as deletion,
VB> insertion and the like.
VB> although you can try to make it under 128, but the text will be short so
VB> as in the pages there are procedures for scrolling and the like already on
VB> at the moment 3 pages are crammed to capacity...

by the way, the isdos editor has a buffer of only one line and at the same time
works at 48k with texts of any length.

Bye, Michael.

Once, Tuesday May 18, 1999 17:33, Alex Noman wrote to Artur Ishmurzin:
AN> We were doing some kind of survey. There you could see in which cities
AN> which computers dominate. And the CIS (if it ever comes out) should give
AN> the most complete results.

where can I see its results?

Monday May 17 1999 01:21, Vladimir Burenin ─── Alex Noman:

AN>> All algorithms have been transferred to HIM. By the way, which ones exactly are you interested in?
VB> By the way, who is EM? I don’t remember anything, and the mail is too old to
VB> look for :((((
It’s me. :)

AN>> There seems to be nothing complicated there, just common sense and the ability to sort
AN>> syllable by syllable. ;)
VB> heh, heh, I have more than enough common sense, but there were always big problems with grammar
VB>, well, myself think about what normal person would write a dictation on
VB> 10 point system for 1 point? And that was only me out of 25 people ;)))
Don’t worry, it was the same at my school. :) It was when I was in college that I started to get my head around it... It didn’t stop me from writing a text editor and a word wrapping block. :)