New OS

My friend is going to write a subject similar to Win95, but unfortunately
does not have access to FIDO :( and therefore wants to conduct a survey among
the population whether anyone needs this program. ;)
Characteristics:
- Will be hardcoded in an additional ROM
- Will be called via NMI
- Requires 512Kb or more up to 4MB of memory and a Profi computer
- will use a CP/M screen
- Multitasking according to the principle: the more memory
the more tasks

Best regards, Le'MAX/PoS.

Sincerely, Musa Khaybullin.

many of you, I think, remember a certain OS/shell called Pink Floyd.
whoever finds it difficult, let me remind you that it was an attempt to implement
pseudo-multitasking, an html browser. It seems to me that she interested many people at the moment of her appearance. and I will not be original if I say that most of you have experienced a feeling of deep disappointment due to the glitches
and unfinished nature of this product. time has passed... now we have a real
opportunity to get a normal and extended version of this program. so
let's think seriously and give an answer whether a shell program of this
type is needed on the Spectrum.
please answer everyone who writes/reads here. It wouldn’t hurt to write a couple
lines.

2skeptics/critics: don’t rush with kicks and screams. It’s better to think again.
maybe you shouldn’t ruin a good project.

Best wishes, Artur. [ZX]

ML> My friend is going to write a subject similar to Win95, but unfortunately
ML> does not have access to FIDO :( and therefore wants to conduct a survey among the
ML> population, whether anyone needs this program. ;)
ML> Characteristics:
ML> - Will be hardcoded in an additional ROM
ML> - Will be called via NMI
ML> - Requires from 512KB to 4MB of memory and a Profi computer
ML> - will use a CP/M screen
ML> - Multitasking according to the principle: the more memory,
ML> the more tasks

Tuesday August 03, 1999 13:21, Artur Ishmurzin wrote All:

AI> 2skeptics/critics: don’t rush with kicking and screaming.

I almost read “with kicking and floyds.” :)

AI> Best wishes, Artur. [ZX]

With respect, Alex Noman.

3 Aug 1999 you wrote here:

AI> many of you, I think, remember a certain OS/shell called Pink
AI> Floyd.
...
AI> and the unfinished nature of this product. time has passed... now we have a real
AI> opportunity to get a normal and extended version of this program. so
AI> let's think seriously and give an answer whether a wrapper
AI> program of this
AI> type is needed on the Spectrum.

1. How real is this “opportunity”? Will it be completed? Will
will it be supported by the authors in the future?
If not, then don’t.
2. Is it even technically possible to do everything that was stated in the advertisement?
(I don’t even remember everything that was promised there. :)
3. Initially, it was planned as a purely commercial event. If this is exactly the case, then it will not become widespread enough, and the authors of software on Spec
love mass systems.
Or the authors of the system will have to order software from programmers, which they will then
implement themselves... :-/

All the best.
Best regards, Roman.

AN> I almost read “with kicks and floyds.” :)

well, what will you answer the question about the need for a subject? only, I repeat, not what it was, but a normal, modified and expanded version.

ML>> My friend is going to write a subject similar to Win95, but unfortunately
...
ML>> Characteristics:
...

DP> Maybe your friend will change his mind and look at HeOS, otherwise Windows makes me sick at
DP> at work, I can also watch it on Spec :(.

You don’t understand. This is not for Spec, but for Pros. :)

Why bother a person? Let him do it. At least he will gain experience. After all, we are not talking about: either “Pro-Windows” or HeOS...

+-All the best, Dmitry!
|I was with you
|Valentin Pimenov aka Valker/Style_Group
+---------------

[ZX] [LETI]
http://sovart.da.ru

AI> well, what will you answer to the question about the need for a subject?

I didn’t answer your question only because I didn’t know what to say. :) I
in general think that the conversation about multitasking on the spec is not serious.

AI> only, I repeat, not the one that was, but the normal, modified and
AI> extended version.

I didn’t really see that one either. There was no interest in even looking. Sorry.

AI> Best wishes, Artur. [ZX]

With respect, Alex Noman.

Well, let him make a KDE clone for the spec (with Linux into the bargain) :))) It will make you
less sick :)

WBR, Sergei Dubarev

AI>> a real opportunity to get a normal and extended version of this
AI>> program. so let's think seriously and give an answer whether
AI>> a shell program of this type is needed on the Spectrum.

RM> 1. How real is this “possibility”? Will it be brought to
RM> to the end? Will it be supported by the authors in the future? If not, then
RM> there is no need.

in order.
a) as real as possible. This is why this conversation has been started - if the people support it, if they need it..
b) “the ways of God are inscrutable” (c)..., but there is an author’s desire,
possibility.
c) see b)

RM> 2. Is it even technically possible to do everything that was
RM> stated in the advertisement? (I don’t even remember everything that was promised there. :)

:) As far as I remember, there was a lot written in the advertisement (if we are talking about
ZF #??) I’ll go re-read the article :)

RM> 3. Initially, it was planned as a purely commercial event.
RM> If this is exactly the case, then it will not become widespread enough, and
RM> the authors of the software on Speck loves mass systems. Or the authors of the
RM> system will have to order software from programmers, which they will then
RM> implement themselves... :-/

IMHO, on the Spectrum, non-game software cannot be purely commercial. example
- isdos.

AN> I didn’t answer your question only because I didn’t know what to say.
AN> :) In general, I think that talking about multitasking on spec
AN> is not serious.

Yes, completely. for now... but look, a 180/380 computer will be released...

AI> well, how can you answer the question about the need for a subject? only, I repeat, not
AI> of what it was, but a normal, modified and expanded version.

I think you could take a look at this miracle...

AI> With best wishes, Artur. [ZX]

C ya in nE> ASCENDANCY HQ: ascen...@mail.ru http://www.ascendancy.homepad.com

And it all started on 03-Aug-99 at 14:21:43, when Artur Ishmurzin
talked to All about let's remember... and having remembered, let's think "is it necessary?"

AI> many of you, I think, remember a certain OS/shell called Pink
AI> Floyd.
AI> who It’s difficult, let me remind you that it was an attempt to implement
AI> pseudo-multitasking, an html browser. It seems to me that she interested many
AI>
usually she interested those who had never even seen her ;)

AI> at the moment of her appearance. and I won’t be original if I say that
AI> most
AI> of you experienced a feeling of deep disappointment because of the buggy and
AI> unfinished state
I didn’t like it right away ;)
it’s buggy... there’s not much software for it and it’s not at all cool at all :)
but I like the idea with html liked

AI> this product. time has passed... now we have a real opportunity
AI> to get
AI> a normal and extended version of this program. so let's be serious
so, did someone finish it or did I understand it wrong?

AI> let's think and
AI> give an answer is a shell program of this type needed on the Spectrum
AI> please answer everyone who writes/reads here. It’s not a bad idea to write down
AI> a couple of
AI> lines

AI> 2skeptics/critics: don’t rush with kicking and screaming. betterthink an extra
AI> time.
AI> maybe it’s not worth ruining a good project
I asked everyone to write ;)

IMHO: it’s not worth wasting energy and TIME on it.

Similarly. Perhaps in her echo, to get an impression of the subject. Again,
there would be something to discuss.

\\|// Hasta la vista !!! Curator from the prefecture:
o(@ @)o -=POWer/WDG/AF=-
-----ooO-(_)-Ooo-----

RM> You don't understand. This is not for Spec, but for Pro. :)

Sorry, then, but in my opinion it’s in vain that you’re pros (I’m so bent ;) that you’re separating yourself.
Everyone is shouting about widespread non-standards, but they themselves are creating a bunch of systems and everything
other things.

Sincerely, Dmitry.

VP> Why bother a person? Let him do it. At least
VP> will gain experience. After all, we are not talking about either “Profi-Windows” or HeOS...

Yes, in principle there is nothing bad. They're just scattering all their strength :(. If they took
"...the whole world, all the people..." they would lean on the operating system - look, it
would have been working for everyone for a long time and it would be fine.

Sincerely, Dmitry.

AI> b) “the ways of God are inscrutable” (c)..., but there is an author’s desire,
AI> opportunity.

And there are statistics about the creation of software on Speck. The “desire” is there today, but tomorrow, more often than not, it’s gone... :(
Isn’t it better for the whole world to take up NeOS? The authors could really collaborate in
creating version 2.*, which seems to be designed to be multitasking.

AI>> I repeat, not what it was, but a normal, modified and
AI>> extended version.
OG> I think you could take a look at this miracle...

have you seen the old version? and some people here haven’t seen the subject at all.

AI>> that most of you experienced a feeling of deep disappointment
AI>> because of its buggy and unfinished state
ET> I didn’t like it right away ;)
ET> it’s buggy... there’s not much prog for it and

what did you want? just appeared, and immediately there was a “ninth wave” of programs based on it?

ET> it’s not cool at all :)

this is subjective and non-specific. give us your complaints and suggestions.

ET> but I liked the idea with html

is there anything else to suggest on this point?

OP> Likewise. Perhaps in an echo of it, to get an impression of the subject.
OP> Again, there would be something to discuss.

If you throw it here, they will hang me :). There will be a whole TRD guy there. You can also
by file in the archive, which will also work out a lot. so what should I do? maybe in
zx.spectrum?

AI> this is subjective and non-specific. give us your claims and suggestions.
the claims are a glitch upon a glitch!!
namely, the incorrect definition of 512kb by the Pentagon
the TR-DOS programs are poorly adapted for it, namely, the transition from some
to the OS only when exiting them!! what kind of OS is this? :)
more glitches - when hiding a window, some pieces of windows remain, etc. (I, of course
understand that remembering the background eats up a lot of space, but still it would be possible
to redraw the windows - for that matter)

well, as for the proposals, they are hidden in my claims, otherwise I am
_categorically_ _against_ the _continuation_ of this OS! IMHO it is better to write from the very
beginning and with an open architecture a la *nix :) (I'm serious)

One day, Wednesday August 11, 1999 07:33, Roman Milukov wrote to Artur Ishmurzin:

RM> And there are statistics about the creation of software on Speck. The “desire” is there today,
RM> and tomorrow, more often than not, it’s gone... :(
RM> Isn’t it better for the whole world to take up NeOS? The authors could really
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ laurels of Linux do not give rest? ;)

RM> collaborate in the creation of version 2.*, which seems to be being planned
RM> multitasking.

One day, 13 Aug 99 13:04:54, Artur Ishmurzin wrote to Oleg Pritula

AI> if you throw me here, they will hang me :). There will be a whole TRD guy there.
AI> can be done file by file in the archive, which will also work out a lot. so what should I do?
AI> maybe in the zx.spectrum?
Let's go there, otherwise I'd like to see what they fixed there.

WBR, Sergey Orlov [ZX]
mailto: dr.g...@usa.net
http://www.ascendancy.homepad.com

AI> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ the laurels of Linux do not give you peace? ;)

I have a very vague idea of ​​what Linux is and what laurels it has.

ET> I’ll say this: this OS came to me and others in my region quite
ET> after a long period of time since the release of this version (I don’t remember which one)

Yeah. And it’s the same with us. They wanted to make money from it right away. And this is a double-edged sword - on the one hand it is useful, there is support for the authors, there is a desire
to develop, but on the other hand it greatly slows down the spread. This is not
Black
Raven, you still need to convince people that they need it.

ET> How much did I understand my html there? It would be better to bring him back to normal.

Ozh. On Spec, everything is “not like people’s”. There is still no normal ZIP either. :(

ET> claims - a glitch on a glitch!!
ET> namely - incorrect determination of 512kb by the Pentagon

but for me it is determined correctly, finds 512k by #7FFD, works with it normally,
but writes that the OS found Scorpio 256k :)) after a little fiddling with the driver
it went under #DFFD at the Pentagon.

ET> TR-DOS programs are poorly adapted to it, namely, the transition from
ET> some to the OS only when exiting them!! what kind of OS is this
ET> no :)

it was written in the help - “incomplete adaptation, in the next version everything will be
ok”

ET> more glitches - when hiding a window, some pieces of windows remain
ET>, etc. (I of course understand that remembering the background eats up a lot
ET> of space, but it was still possible I would also like to redraw the windows - since it’s on
ET> that’s it)

everything is correct here, there is nothing to object to.

I would also like to add, if no one noticed this. in turbo mode it works
unstable. It hangs often, it's an infection :)

ET> Well, as for the proposals, they are hidden in my claims, otherwise
ET> I am _categorically_ _against_ the _continuation_ of this OS! IMHO it’s better to write from
ET> from the very beginning and with an open architecture a la *nix :) (I’m serious)

Are you hinting at neos? :). so one does not interfere with the other. or play big - adapt Pink Floyd tono...

\\|// Hasta la vista!!! Curator from the prefecture:
o(@ @)o -=POWer/WDG/AF=-
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AI>> if you throw me here, they will hang me :). there will be a whole trd`shnik
AI>> there. You can do it file by file in the archive, which will also work out a lot. so what
AI>> should we do? maybe in the 3rd Spectrum?

ML> My friend is going to write a subject similar to Win95, but unfortunately
ML> does not have access to FIDO :( and therefore wants to conduct a survey among the
ML> population, whether anyone needs this program. ;)
What?! Is it as buggy? Well, what the hell! :-)