NeOS

With the permission of the moderator and at the request of readers, I am uploading 3 versions of NeOS firmware: for regular 128's, for Scorpios (for loading into RAM!) and for Pentagon-512.

If you have a cache, but without the ability to replace the ROM with it, then look at these firmwares you won't succeed in the cache :( To run the Scorpio firmware, you need to load it into the zero page of RAM, issue 1 to port #1ffd and then jp 0.

The firmware contains the following drivers:
character output (64 characters per line), keyboard :-), driver floppy drive, CMOS driver (according to the Gluck scheme), TR-DOS driver (written in full), iS-DOS 640K driver (byte reading/writing functions are not added, everything else works).

If you find glitches, please report them, otherwise last time there was a very glitchy firmware here ;-) Many glitches corrected.

PS: Tomorrow we will send updated documentation and a picture with an approximate appearance of NeOS commander.

Bye, All! Megus/Brainwave.

Again, with the permission of the moderator, the NeOS dock and the approximate appearance of NeOS Commander have just flown by.

Bye, All! Megus/Brainwave.

Here Roman Petrov writes to All and I wouldn’t mind intervening:

RP> for Scorpios (for loading into RAM!)

[Sk!p]

RP> To launch the Scorpio firmware, it must be loaded into the zero
RP> page of RAM, issue 1 to port #1ffd and then jp 0.

Subject :(

As I understand it, for Scorp it is neos_256.rom? I pushed it into ram0, out (#1ffd), 1
then jp 0 - a menu comes out (NeOS, Basic128, etc);
Well, the output in B128, TR128 doesn’t work, that’s probably how it was intended.

But if you select NeOS - information is displayed about the computer (Scorpion...),
the availability of memory (192kb), free memory (190kb), then the picture in some places
(#4000-#5800) is clogged with dirty tricks and the computer freezes.

So the question is, does anyone experience something similar? Or is it because
I have, for example, ProfPzu (3.9f), or smuc, or smuc? it was just a glitch and
I should stop my mental torment ;)

RP> Bye, All! Megus/Brainwave.

SiRiL/4D.
... Never mind...

Once, Tue Mar 30 1999 18:44, Ilya Vinogradov wrote to Roman Petrov about [NeOS
for Scorp efurychit. ]:

IV> As I understand it, for Scorpio this is neos_256.rom? I pushed it into ram0, out
IV> (#1ffd), 1 then jp 0 - a menu comes out (NeOS, Basic128, etc);
IV> Well, the output in B128, TR128 does not work as intended,
IV> probably.

IV> But if you select NeOS - information about the computer (Scorpion
IV> ...), memory availability is displayed (192kb), free memory (190kb), then
IV> the picture
IV> in some places (#4000-#5800) gets clogged with dirty tricks and the computer freezes.

IV> So the question is, is anyone experiencing something similar? Or is it because
IV> that I have, for example, ProfPzu (3.9f), or smuc, or STE
IV> I just had a glitch and I should stop my mental torment ;)

****************************************************************************************** The following was written by Valker/56:

I have 2.95, no gloom. the program does not work with a similar diagnosis.
very sorry:(

********************************************************************************************

All the best.
Dmitry.

..LD..X-TRADE..

04 Apr 99 23:09, Dmitry Lomov wrote to Ilya Vinogradov:

DL> I have 2.95, no problem. the program does not come with a similar diagnosis.
DL> it’s a shame :(

So it needs to be in the ROM! And if the jar is 0, then it will work for a while and fail.

Check it yourself on the offtopic.

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]

On Scorpakh - yes, that’s how it was intended. It works for everyone else. On Scorpakh, simply
from ROM, replaced by RAM, calling TR-DOS is difficult.

DL>> diagnosis. It’s a shame :(
KF> So it needs to be in the ROM! And if it’s in jar 0, then it will work a little and
KF> will fail.
If you’re talking about the neos_256.rom firmware, then it needs to be in page 0 (the first
version, which I uploaded with the others, had a bug, Yesterday I threw the corrected one), and all the rest really need to be in the ROM, or in the cache with a ROM replacement.

PS: I ask everyone who is willing and able to test the functions of the NeOS kernel, read the documentation and
catch any possible misunderstandings so that I can fix them all.

Bye, Kirill Megus/Brainwave [I. ZX]

07 Apr 99 14:31, Roman Petrov wrote to Kirill Frolov:

RP> PS: I ask everyone who is willing and able to test the functions of the NeOS kernel,
RP> read the doc and catch any possible misunderstandings, so that I can fix them all
RP>.

No, no I like it, there is a lot of unnecessary stuff in the kernel, and it takes up 1/4
of the address space of the processor! This is something like a BIOS.
But it was possible to provide the so-called in the addresses ff00...ffff. gateway for transition
to BIOS, and leave the rest of the address space for RAM. You can, of course
write your own OS, motivating this by the fact that everything else is old and outdated, you can
fundamentally make it incompatible with anything, etc... But why is it needed and
what programs will work there? I understand if there is transparent
support for any file systems (TR-DOS (but there are difficulties), IS-DOS,
MS-DOS, CP/M), emulation of various operating systems TR-DOS, IS-DOS, CP/M
etc. But when this is not the case, and instead there are little understood functions for working with graphics, which will not be in demand in any program because
these small programs are most often not called from the computer. from where, and
are placed directly in the code to speed up work.
And finally, why does everyone have such a persistent aversion to CP/M? It exists and
it works, there are really useful onesprograms (which you can count on your fingers). But this is really an OPERATING SYSTEM, and not a piece of BASIC called TR-DOS. Nothing good can be said at all
about isdos - what kind of programs can you write if there is no way to allocate more than 8kb of contiguous memory
? (I did not take into account the memory in the banks.)
My point is that there should be CP/M support at the BDOS level and no
ROMs. Why invent your own file system when there is MS-DOS? After all,
it is impossible to catch all its shortcomings at once, but there is something that has already been recognized as a standard and
has existed for many years. Finally, the libraries for C
must be redesigned to support this new OS, or as always, you can use the buggy ALASM,
XAS, STORM, TASM etc?
Why copy existing errors? After all, neither IS-DOS nor TR-DOS is able to ensure the operation of many programs; it is simply impossible to make them work on these OS. And I don’t mean their specific implementations, all the problems
are only in the idiotic limitations of these OSs.

But you don’t have to look far for examples of how bad everything is: I hope no one
will argue that on Spectrum there is practically no software for working in fidonet,
and there is absolutely no software for organizing FTN networks on the Spectrum! Yes, if
is not yet clear, then it’s worth looking at SPBZXNET! Yes, the worst thing is not that something is missing. And the fact is thatTHIS WILL NEVER BE ON THE SPECTRUM
in the form in which it is now. And connecting at least
128 Mb of memory or a new super-general sound will not help here. This is all needed only for
toys, but if you want to play with toys, then PC, AMIGA or game consoles are much better suited for this. It is impossible to write programs
that process mail in TR-DOS. It is impossible to do this in IS-DOS (although
you can already try). 90% OF PROBLEMS ARE SOLELY RELATED TO THE OPERATING SYSTEM OF THE SPECTRUM. The remaining 10% is the absence of a drive with a capacity
of more than 20Mb with the possibility of simultaneous access to all information,
a completely ill-thought-out organization of memory and the LACK OF A NORMAL
80x25 SCREEN (and one that does not require much time for its servicing by the processor).

Draw conclusions it is necessary to appropriately improve... And then here you can see letters where
it is written that demos are needed, din... Well, emulator people write this, they just don’t
understand why anything else is needed on the Spectrum.

But does everyone have a good idea of what a huge role ZXNET and in general
networks on the Spectrum have in why the Spectrum is not yet sent to the landfill?
Yes, it’s just worth calculating how many people would have thrown out or sold their
spectrums if they had not learned about networks on the spectrum at one time?

SPBZXNET now does not function at all, or rather only that part
of the network whichexisted with its own cunning mail format (everyone got fed up with stupid ones)
and worked not on a PC, BUT ON SPECTRUMS. And all the problems are due to the complete
lack of software and hardware. The general sound and the new super game for it do not in any way contribute to the transmission of mail. They can’t make software, and if they do somewhere
it’s of no use. Take for example DICKIE and LARA - what's the point
of them if they run on different OSes? Further development of all kinds of editors
and tossers under TR-DOS is generally unpromising, I hope there is no need to explain
why. But none of the program authors thought about CREATING PROGRAMS
INDEPENDENT OF THE OS or generally MACHINE INDEPENDENT. They know their favorite
TR-DOS with turboloaders and believe that nothing can be better. :-(

However, any appeals here are useless, nothing will help,
emulators will win :-(

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]

RP> NeOS, read the docs and catch any possible misunderstandings so that
RP> I can fix them all.

Is there any software for it at all? or a purely bare system?

With best wishes, Dmitry.

On Saturday April 10 1999 Kirill Frolov wrote to Roman Petrov:

Well, you wrote a serious letter, I didn’t expect this from you (I still remember
that implacable Frolov who needs to scroll in 1 frame, etc.). But I don’t agree with
many points.

KF> Yes, I don’t like it, there’s a lot of unnecessary stuff in the kernel, and after all
KF> it takes up 1/4 of the address space of the processor! This is
KF> something like a BIOS. But it was possible to provide in the addresses
KF> ff00...ffff so-called. gateway to go to the BIOS, and leave the rest of the address
KF> space for RAM. You can, of course, write your OS
On Scorpakh, on Prophy (apparently) and on something else - you can. But where on the standard
128 Spectrum without modification did you see 64Kb of continuous RAM??? After all, some
work will be required. And if you remember your own words: “I won’t cut anything on the computer in order for the program to work! And no one will!” It's strange, isn't it?

KF> you can basically make it incompatible with anything etc... But why
The only thing you can make an OS on Specky compatible with is CP/M. But for some reason, I fundamentally don’t like
CP/M.

KF> is it necessary and what programs will work there? I understand if there
KF> there will be transparent support for any file systems (TR-DOS (but there are
KF> complications), IS-DOS, MS-DOS, CP/M),emulation of different operating systems
Transparent support for file systems in NeOS is - grab the driver and
work even with NifigaSebeDOS (if you invent such a thing).

KF> clear functions for working with graphics that will not be in demand in any
KF> program because these small programs most often
KF> are not called from the computer. from where, but are placed directly in
KF> code to speed up work.
When and how. Sometimes it might come in handy. And there are not only graphical functions,
but also many other more useful ones. By the way, it works faster from ROM.

KF> AN OPERATING SYSTEM, and not a piece of BASIC called TR-DOS.
KF> Nothing good can be said about isdos - what kind of programs can
KF> be written if there is no more than
KF> 8kb of contiguous memory allocated there? (I did not take into account the memory in the banks.)
NeOS is also an operating system and takes into account all the features of the standard
Spectrum. If you have 64 kilos of continuous memory, use CP/M. And on a 128
machine? However, I'm repeating myself.

KF> no ROMs. Why invent your own file system when there is MS-DOS
They didn’t invent their own file system. Only standard ones - TR-DOS, MS-DOS.

KF> implementations, all problems are only in the idiotic limitations of these OSs.
TR-DOS is practically not DOS at all, iS-DOS is not enough memory. Everything else-
Speccy restrictions.

KF> this fits much better. It is impossible to write
KF> programs that process mail in TR-DOS. It is impossible to do this in
KF> IS-DOS (although you can already try). 90% OF PROBLEMS ARE SOLELY CONNECTED WITH THE SPECTRUM OPERATING SYSTEM. The remaining 10% is absent
But under NeOS it is possible. And under CP/M - it’s possible. Because these are full-fledged
operating systems that do not limit the programmer.

KF> LACK OF A NORMAL 80x25 SCREEN (and not requiring much time to
This is a problem for the Spectrum itself, but not for the operating system. If there is such a
mode, then you can write for NeOS driver for this mode and all printing will
occur on this screen without any problems.

KF> emulators, they just don’t understand why you need it on the Spectrum
Not long ago you were such an ardent Spectrumist, and now you write from a PC.
Although you still remain a real Spectrumist, like me too. you want Specky to live, and I want that. Only we have different paths. CP/M is a system not written specifically for the Spectrum, but in general for the Z80. That’s the difference between them.

KF> But does everyone have a good idea of the huge role ZXNET and
KF> have in general on networks? Spectrum is why the Spectrum has not yet been sent to the KF landfill? Yes, it’s just worth calculating how much?people were thrown out or
I can imagine it very well, since I myself brought more than one spektrumist to ZXNet and FIDO. And I continue to promote the Spectrum.

KF> why. But none of the program authors thought about CREATING
KF> PROGRAMS THAT WERE INDEPENDENT OF THE OS or even MACHINE INDEPENDENT. They s
Hmm, are you suggesting making Unix on the Spectrum? Or are you talking about the same
CP/M?

KF> However, any appeals here are useless, nothing will help,
KF> emulators will win :-(
Why be so pessimistic. If only emulators remain, the platform will die,
it will remain only in memories, but no one will revive it. Who
needs a corpse? In the meantime, there are realists - emulators will not win.

Bye, Kirill! Megus/Brainwave^X-Project [I ZX]

KF> networks on the Spectrum is why the Spectrum has not yet been sent to the landfill?
KF> Yes, it’s just worth counting how many people would throw out or sell their
KF> Spectrums if they had not learned about the networks on the Spectrum at one time?

Spectrumists play a huge role for the Spectrum, that is, those people who
write software or buy it from the authors, the same applies to hardware and
everything like that. That is, those who act for the benefit of the platform. Those who
simply possess the Spectrum, but do not bring any benefit to the platform, that is, simply
the owners of the Spectrum. The number of the latter does not change anything, not for the better, not for the worse, despite the decrease in their number, or
increase. So no one denies the role of grids in keeping owners on the Spectrum, but what is the use of them for Spectrumists and the platform as a whole?

With respect, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.

>E-MAIL: asde...@softhome.net ICQ: #13064553

Saturday April 10, 1999 01:11, Kirill Frolov wrote to Roman Petrov:

KF> And finally, why does everyone have such a persistent aversion to CP/M?

Because she is disgusting. :)

KF> It exists and it works,

I have it and it’s hard to call it work. At least on scorpions. But not everyone has a pro. Maybe you're suggesting that everyone should blame it on the pros? :)

KF> there are really useful programs there (which you can count on
KF> fingers).

Which ones?

KF> But this is really an OPERATING SYSTEM, and not a piece of BASIC,

Is-dos is also an OS. And much more competently written...

KF> Finally, should
KF> libraries for C be redesigned to support this new OS, or how

C? Well, well... On spec, even simple scripts will slow down.

KF> You can always use buggy ALASM, XAS, STORM, TASM etc?

What's buggy about them? That they are under trdos?

KF> Kirill Frolov.

With respect, Alex Noman.

11 Apr 99 at 08:14:24, Alex Letaev wrote to Kirill Frolov:

AL> Spectrumists play a huge role for the Spectrum, that is
AL> those people who
AL> write software or buy it from the authors, the same
AL> regarding hardware and
AL> everything like that. That is, those who act for the benefit
AL> of the platform. Those who
AL> simply have the Spectrum, but do not bring any benefit to the
AL> platform, that is, simply
AL> owners of the Spectrum. The number of the latter makes no difference
It is “simply the owners of the Spectrum” who buy software from the authors, i.e. according to your own words, they are beneficial. You better understand your thoughts, otherwise you
contradict yourself.

AL> does not change, not for
AL> for the better, not for the worse, despite the decrease in their
AL> number, or
If there are few “just Spectrum owners”, then who will install new hardware
and buy software?

AL> increase. So no one denies the role of grids in keeping Spectrum
AL> owners on the Spectrum
AL>, but what is the use of them for Spectrumists and the
AL> platform as a whole?
What benefit do you get from a grid - the same for Spectrumists.

Sincerely, Kirill Maksarov. [I ZX]

DS> Is there any software for it at all? or a purely bare system?
Unfortunately, it’s a bare system for now :( It’s just been written. I’ll fix
the main bugs and will hand out the firmware to everyone who wants it in the configuration they need to write software, so that by the time the system is finally released
there will already be at least some kind of software. _EVERYTHING_ must be written! I’ll take charge of the commander :-) Everything
rest is up to you! First of all, I would like to see modem software - a terminal, a mailer and a reader. Well, if the terminal and X-Project mailer are going to be made, then the reader needs to be downloaded by KVA.

Bye, Dmitry! Megus/Brainwave^X-Project. [I ZX] [NeOS]

KM> It is “simply Spectrum owners” who buy software from the authors, i.e. according to
KM> your
KM> words are beneficial. You better understand your thoughts, otherwise
KM> you are contradicting yourself
KM>.

I repeat, if the owner of Spectrum buys software, writes it, and does something
other useful for the platform, he is a Spectrumist. If it doesn't do anything useful, it's just the owner of the Spectrum, and nothing more. Such people can be called both those who have the Spectrum lying on the shelf, and those who do something behind it, even 24 hours a day, but what they do does not bring any benefit to the platform. For example, he sits in Fido and writes messages.

KM> If there are not enough “just Spectrum owners”, then who will install new
KM> hardware
KM> and buy software?

The Spectrum owner doesn’t buy anything. Or he buys it in this way
only because it doesn’t benefit the platform. For example, he buys pirated software cheaply or downloads it online for free. The same applies to iron. If he bought his Spectrum from the same owner for a bottle of beer, then how will this help the platform, and what will it improve? The Spectrumist
also has a Spectrum (although the latter is not even necessary), but his
actions lead to an improvement in the situation on the platform, and he is concerned about the fate of the
platform, andetc.

KM> What is the benefit to you from the grid - the same for Spectrumists.

I'm not talking about the benefit to me or the Spectrumists of the grid, I'm talking about the benefit
Spectrumists or owners for the Spectrum platform. These are different things,
totally different.

Tuesday April 13, 1999 09:03, Alex Letaev (2:5020/689.53) wrote to Kirill
Maksarov:

AL> I repeat, if the owner of Spectrum buys software, writes it, and does
AL> something else useful for the platform, this is a Spectrumist. If it doesn’t

Simply put, “Spectrumists” are those who buy software from you and those who
produce it and give it to you for sale. The rest are duds and slackers. ..... I would
continue the thought, but here the moderator is strict ;)

By the way, writing common nouns with Capital is illiterate, at
at least.... Magazines, Newspapers, Hackers... I've come to the end :(

Sincerely, Dmitry (OLDMAN). 500:095/100.1@ZXNet
old...@i-connect.ru [ZX]

AL>> increase. So no one
AL>> does not deny the role of grids in keeping Spectrum
AL>> owners on the Spectrum
AL>>, but what is the use of them for Spectrumists and
AL>> the platform as a whole?

AN> Is-dos is also an OS. And it’s written much more competently...

Well, you haven’t fully figured it out yet.
Is-dos is initially more complicated, but there are only fewer possibilities.

AN> Si? Well, well... On spec, even simple scripts will slow down.

But what can you do? Writing large programs
in assembly language is difficult, buggy, etc... And then you can also transfer programs
from other computers.

DS>> bare system ?
RP> Unfortunately, it’s a bare system for now :( It’s only just
RP> written. I’ll fix the main bugs and will
RP> give everyone the firmware in the configuration they need for
RP> writing software, so that by the time the system is finally released
RP> there will already be at least some software. Write we need _EVERYTHING_!
RP> I'll take charge of the commander :-) Everything else is up to you! First of all, I would like to see modem software - a terminal, a mailer and a reader. Well, if the terminal and mailer X-Project

Were compatible with IS-DOS restarts, there would be fewer problems, you could
drag it from there, the mailer with the term is already there...

RP> they are going to do it, then the reader needs to be downloaded by KVA.

Everything from Lara can be taken :))

With best wishes, Dmitry.

Once on Tuesday April 13, 1999 at 01:00:00 Kirill Frolov wrote to Andrey
Isaev on the topic '> WHY DO I NEED THIS NEOS? I HAVE WINDOWS!':

KF>>> you can count on your fingers).
AI>> It’s too old, and the technology doesn’t stand still :)
KF> And it’s not on the Spectrum either? Where is the C compiler,
KF> normal assembler?

I really like that cp/m has a “C” compiler, turbo Pascal, but I sat here
yesterday half the night with this cp/m...
Everything would be fine, but it works with the disk for a long time. :((
If only there was support for the screw... ;)

With best wishes, Dmitry.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

DG> Simply put, “Spectrumists” are those who buy software from you and those who
DG> produce it and give it to you for sale. The rest are duds and slackers.

Don’t pretend that you can’t read. Firstly, it is written in Russian that:
A Spectrumist does something useful for the platform, and what is useful to the platform
every Spectrumist knows. Secondly, for example, the CV sold by me
Spectrumists buy not from me but from Slava, but with my help. Just like
Mirror and Operation P.P. they buy not from me, but from St. Petersburg
distributors, again with my help. I'll try to explain how help is expressed. The place in the market where I stand for the day costs ~250 rubles. Now figure out how much you need to sell, for example, a private company, in order to recoup the place. Then, if you think about it, you will find out what my help means. Who do you think the rest are, you
wrote it very clearly, but for me they are just the owners of the Spectrum.

DG> ..... I would continue the thought, but here the moderator is strict ;)

It’s better not to continue such thoughts, or rather, it’s not even a thought.

DG> By the way, writing common nouns with a capital is illiterate, at least
DG>.... Magazines, Newspapers, Hackers... Got it :(

When you entered the echo, you saw a sign: “The echo has been changed to RU.GRAMAR
for calculating literacywrote!"? I haven’t seen either... And I wrote and will write people who deserve respect with a capital letter, and it is the Spectrumists who deserve this, at least for me, as well as Speccy.

P.S. If I have to answer your letters again, write something the same thing two
or three times, with underlining and highlighting individual
moments, it’s better to just ban me in all echoes except ZX.SPECTRUM.
I will try to write less there, since your condition contributes
to me receiving awards there.

AL> When you entered the echo, did you see a sign: “The echo has been changed to
AL> RU.GRAMAR to calculate the literacy of those who wrote!”? I didn’t see it either... And

I’m not pointing out your spelling mistakes, but by the way I mentioned it - maybe
you didn’t know that common nouns are written with capital letters... Do you always react like this
when knowledge is shared with you?

AL> I wrote and will write people who deserve respect with
AL> capital letters, and it is the Spectrumists who deserve it, at least

Yes, write with whatever you want... Only now you know that this is illiterate, and
consequently, “you deliberately distort the Russian language” ;)

AL> ZX.SPECTRUM. There I will try to write less, since your
AL> condition contributes to me receiving awards there.

"That's it, Zin, you try to offend..." (c) ;) If you break it, you will get it, my condition is
stable :)

AL> Sincerely, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.

KF> Well, you haven’t fully figured it out yet.

Is-dos is exactly what I figured out (at one time) better than other
_Samara_ spektrumists... :) It’s not good to boast, but nevertheless... Even
some utilities I wrote in the years 94-95... Writing there is easier than under tyrdos.
Interface, input-output are ready. You write only logic, in fact. Hence the size of the
programs.

KF> IS-DOS is initially more complex, but there are only fewer possibilities.

There are more restrictions - yes. And about the more complicated thing - it’s definitely more difficult than trdos. :)

KF> What can you do? Writing large programs
KF> in assembly language is difficult, buggy, etc... And then everything can also be transferred
KF> programs from other computers.

This won’t work on spec...

KF> I would like to add - if there is no benefit, then unsubscribe
KF> from all ZXNET echo conferences...

I didn’t say that there is no benefit at all, I said that there is no benefit from keeping some people as
Spectrum owners, since these people are of no use to the
platform. There are benefits from networks, as they help communicate between Spectrumists. By the way, I can say that I have already unsubscribed from some of them, but
I will receive them for Ivan Roshchin.

P.S. At least you can read more carefully next time, so that there are no such empty letters?

DG> What I mean is that neither you nor I, nor anyone at all, has been given the right to divide people
DG> into useful and useless. It’s customary to keep your arrogance to yourself, and

I agree, but this is about global views, usefulness for the world and
for me as a person, etc., but I’m talking about the platform.

DG> don’t stick it out in every letter...

I didn’t intend to be arrogant.

DG> But how can we relate to you, with our feeble-mindedness ;)

It’s just that, or I didn’t express myself clearly in the message, or you didn’t read carefully enough, and the thought was not based on existing information. I didn't intend to call him names. :-(

DG> I’m not pointing out your spelling mistakes, but by the way I mentioned -
DG> maybe you didn’t know that common nouns are written with capital... You always

No, I knew.

DG> do you react this way when knowledge is shared with you?

For example, when I’m eating, or thinking? I don’t mind accepting something new,
but in the right place, at the right time time, and if I don’t know this.

DG> Yes, write with whatever language you want... Only now you know that this is illiterate,
DG> and therefore, “you are deliberately distorting the Russian language” ;)

Yes, I already knew that this was not literate. If the moderator shares your
views, I honestly deserve a +. If this doesn’t bother anyone, I will write
“Spektrumist” with a capital letter.

DG> “that’s it, Zin, offendyou strive..." (c) ;) If you break it, you'll get it, DG's condition is stable :)

It's very good that I was wrong about this and made a hasty
wrong conclusion. I didn't intend to offend.

AN> What is clear?

Have you seen THIS moash center? It is impossible to work even on a sprinter
due to the brakes. And there is not enough memory.

KF>> It can be better.

AN> Can you handle it? ;)

I won’t. I don’t need it anymore, I made a simple program for myself to run on the Pentagon, used it and became an emulator.

AN> I saw the last 3 absolutely for sure. I'm not sure about the first one. In any
AN> case - very pathetic... It’s difficult to talk about possibilities, because... not
AN> was able to evaluate them due to the inconvenience of work.

I agree about power, but if you need to copy a file, it will be useful to you.
And you couldn’t check out the rest due to the lack of a built-in editor with
frame scrolling?

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Hasta la vista.
Tim Kelly

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13 Apr 99 14:46, Dmitry Sharikov wrote to Kirill Frolov:

DS> I sat here yesterday half the night with this cp/m... Everything would be fine, but with the disk
DS> it works for a long time. :((If only there was support for the screw... ;)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If you have MOA, then with the screen it will take even longer.
If my brakes are immeasurable for Scorpio, I then
sped up everything. Support for the screw is theoretically possible and no
problems with compatibility, but you just need to write it.

Kirill Frolov [ZX]

DG> By the way, writing common nouns with a capital is illiterate, as
DG> at least.... Magazines, Newspapers, Hackers... I'm done :(

...
AL> to name both those who have the Spectrum lying on the shelf, and those who behind it do something
AL> even 24 hours a day, but what he does does not bring
AL> any benefit to the platform. For example, he sits in Fido and writes messages.
...

AL> The owner of the Spectrum does not buy anything. Or he buys this option
AL> only because it does not benefit the platform. For example, for a cheap
...
AL> bottle of beer, how will this help the platform, and what will it improve? The Spectrumist
AL> also has a Spectrum (although the latter is not even necessary), but his
AL> actions lead to an improvement in the situation on the platform, and he is concerned about the fate of the
AL> platform, etc.

You have “classified” everyone! :)
How do you measure the benefit of the platform? In rubles (cu)? In kilobytes?
Well, there is CV, Mirror, GeneralSound... (Although I somewhat doubt the usefulness of the latter for the "platform" as a whole, but this is IMHO.)
But tell me about frivolous software (and hardware developments). After all, it is being created specifically for _all_ Spectrum owners. What are the goals?

Or how do you know if the Spectrum owner cares about the fate of the platform? IMHO if
he tinkers with Speck, devotes personal time to him - this is already a Spectrumist, and he
necessarily, by definition, should be concerned about the fate of the platform.

And supporting authors is a matter of morality, and,Naturally, very useful for the
platform. But this is not only a Spectrum problem - it’s like this everywhere.

What exactly? Transfer or large programs? IMHO the whole problem is the banal
lack of object-oriented assembler.

P.S. For some reason I’m in a cheerful mood today. I'm not going to do any more terminal work today. :))

Good luck! Evgeny.

■ The night is shorter than the day... The day will kill me... The world of illusions burns down in it. (C) Aria.

EM> What exactly? Transfer or large programs? IMHO the whole problem is
EM> in the banal absence of an object-oriented assembler.

Zhen, remember Zed. The program is good, but slow, although some of it is written in Asma. Your tosser helped a lot of people in its time. But as soon as
Lara appeared, everyone moved to her.

EM> P.S. For some reason I’m in a cheerful mood today. No way further today
EM> I will make a terminal. :))

Can I become an honorary beta tester? %)

EM> Good luck! Evgeny.

With respect, Alex Noman.

DS>> the disk has been running for a long time. :((If only there was support for the screw... ;)
KF> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
KF> If you have MOA, then with the screen it will take even longer.
KF> If my brakes are immeasurable for a scorpion, then I’ll be done

Well... It turns out you were second. ;) No knew.

If only someone would take up the task of remaking the scorpion gearbox taking into account the presence of a GMH,
would rewrite the brake procedures for working with the disk and screen... MOA would hardly
take it now... :(

KF> I won’t. I don’t need it anymore, I made a simple computer for myself to run
KF> on the Pentagon, used it and became an emulator.

If it weren’t for the computer, there would be one more realist (at least). ;)

KF> I agree about power, but if you need to copy a file, it will be useful to you
KF>. And you couldn’t check out the rest due to the lack
KF> of a built-in editor with frame scrolling?

In particular, because of the editor. I immediately remember someone’s letter in which
the author said that (sitting on the PC) he never uses built-in
editors and always types all texts in DH. Laughter, and that's all. I can't imagine serious work without a fast and convenient interface. This is 90% of the success of a future program (just don’t exaggerate and take the idea to the point of insanity ;)).
Sitting in a beautiful shell, you want to write beautiful programs. ;)

DS> Everything from Lara can be taken :))
What about copyrights? I'd rather persuade KVA to make Lariska for NeOS. Yes, in principle, he already agrees, but there is no soap from him yet.

PS2All: Yesterday NeOS Commander started writing. As soon as it learns to at least
launch files and run through directories, well, some other small functions, it will
fly here.

PPS: If anyone wants to get AY-Mouse support in NeOS, send me a working
driver. I already have a Kempston mouse and it works great (with acceleration!).

Bye, Dmitry! Megus/Brainwave^X-Project. [ZX] [NeOS]

17 Apr 99 01:18, Dmitry Sharikov wrote to Kirill Frolov:

DS> Yours, but it works slowly with the disk... :(

Ancient, the new one is several times faster.
It works not much slower than the isdos.

DS> So, did you throw it somewhere?

Dark Dragon Station, I hope you know? ;-) It's called CPM_SRC.ZIP

Only it is in source form and for PENTAGON. But for a scorpion it’s not difficult
to redo it. There, in 512x192, the terminal is advanced - compatible with PROFI
(partially) and has a bunch of different character encodings, switches like
to PROFI through ESC sequences.

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]

RM> But tell me about frivolous software (and hardware developments). After all
RM> it is created
RM> specifically for _all_ Spectrum owners. What are the goals?

Creation for everyone is the goal. This only says that the author
of this software and development is so concerned about the fate of the platform (and allow
opportunities) that he does it for free.

RM> Or how do you know if the owner of Spectrum cares about the fate of the platform?
RM> IMHO if
RM> he tinkers with Speck, devotes personal time to him - this is already a Spectrumist,
RM> and he
RM> must, by definition, be concerned about the fate of the platform.

You can tinker with the Spectrum, for example, and have nothing better to do. Simple, and
he may not care about the platform for this. You can tell by his actions.
If the platform cares, a person will do something useful for it
to the best of his strength and capabilities.

RM> And supporting authors is a matter of morality, and, naturally, it is very useful
RM> for
RM> the platform. But this is not only a Spectrum problem - it’s like this everywhere.

Yes, but here it’s REAL.SPECCY, not REAL.ANY...

RM> But the smart one said: “not the people for the state, but the state for the people!”
RM> Maybe you can paraphrase? ;)

There is nothing to paraphrase here, everything is very clear. I envy the skillUnderstandable and
briefly write author.

RM> Let pro this tie.

DS>> it would be possible, it would be possible to drag it from there, the soaper with the term is already there
DS>> there is...
RP> With is-dos it is problematic, although the general ideas are similar. The is-good
RP> source code, IMHO, can be remade without much difficulty, but
RP> a ready-made program will not work. And I didn’t want to just do is-dos
RP> sitting in a ROM.

Why do you need a ROM? Let it sit in RAM and EMULATE ISDOS RESTARTS.

RP> PS2All: Yesterday NeOS Commander started writing. As soon as he learns at least
RP> to launch files and run through directories, well, some other small
RP> functions, he will fly here.

Is the command line forgotten there?
But on the Spectrum, the command line is only in the MOA commander (91 years old...)

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]

On Tuesday, April 13, 1999 at 13:46:13, Dmitry Sharikov pressed peeps for Kirill
Frolov about "> WHY DO I NEED THIS NEOS? I HAVE WINDOWS!":

DS> I really like that cp/m has a “C” compiler, turbo
DS> Pascal, but I'm here
DS> Yesterday I spent half the night with this cp/m...
DS> Everything would be fine, but it takes a long time to work with the disk. :((
DS> If only there was screw support... ;)

Profi has it. :-P ;)

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RP> What about copyrights? I'd rather persuade KVA to make
RP> Lariska for NeOS. Yes, in principle, he already agrees, only
RP> there is no soap from him yet.

I’m talking about something else, that everything is already ready, you just need to organize work with the disk in
NeOS.

RP> PPS: If anyone wants to get support for AY-Mouse in NeOS -
RP> send me a working driver. I already have a Kempston mouse and
RP> it works great (with acceleration!).

...And that's the main thing ;)

With best wishes, Dmitry.

On Sunday April 18 1999 Kirill Frolov wrote to Roman Petrov:

RP>> With is-dos it’s problematic, although the general ideas are similar. The is-good
RP>> source code, IMHO, can be remade without much difficulty, but
RP>> a ready-made program will not work. And I didn’t want to do it just
KF> Why do you need a ROM? Let it sit in RAM and EMULATE ISDOS RESTARTS.
Why do we need a new is-dos???

RP>> at least run files and run through directories, well, some other thread
KF> And there the command line is not forgotten?
It is not forgotten. I conceived it there right away.

Bye, Kirill! Megus/Brainwave^X-Project. [ZX] [NeOS]

KF>> ISDOS.
RP> Why do we need a new is-dos???

To launch isdos programs. And so you write a new super-OS, but
there are no programs as always. Do you remember Pink Floyd?

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]

KF> To launch perfect programs. And so you write a new super-OS, but
KF> there are no programs as always. Do you remember Pink Floyd?
You see, Kirill, if NeOS emulates is-dos restarts, then why
call it NeOS? It will just turn out to be an ordinary is-dos, well perhaps an accelerated version. And this new system will make no sense.

26 Apr 99 14:46, Roman Petrov wrote to Kirill Frolov:

RP> You see, Kirill, if NeOS emulates is-dos restarts, then
RP> then why call it NeOS? It will just turn out is-dos
RP> ordinary, well, perhaps an accelerated version. And this new
RP> system will make no sense.

You don’t understand. It should only emulate, for example, levels 1,2,3...
and revise level 0 altogether. The point is to work in isdos
directly with MS-DOS disks. There are useful programs in isdos, but the system itself is [censored]. There it is difficult to work with files longer than
85 blocks.

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]

Thursday April 29 1999 00:10, Kirill Frolov wrote to Roman Petrov:

KF> The point is to work directly with MS-DOS disks.
KF> There are useful programs in the isdos, but the system itself is [censored]. There
KF> it is difficult to work with files longer than 85 blocks.

It seems that you find out about some thread and start
criticizing it... 85 blocks is a lot. Naturally, if the blocks are not equal to 256
bytes. ;)

And with files _longer_ than 85 blocks in IS-DOS it is not difficult, but simply
impossible. ;)

KF> Kirill Frolov.

Respectfully, Alex Noman.

zy. And why did I, looking at you, call the segments blocks? %)

KF> You don't understand. It should only emulate, for example, levels 1,2,3...
Listen, if you need to emulate _only_ restarts, then this can be done. I
RST #10 is free, whatever you want, hang it on it. And if you hang an emulator of iS-DOS functions on it, then, in theory, you can run iS-DOS programs.
If you need anything else, then let me know. Yes, is it possible to load programs below #5E00 in iS-DOS? After all, #5E00 will be free for me if the main variables (which are accessed in
IY) are dragged to another area.

KF> the system itself is [censored]. There, it’s difficult to work with files
KF> longer than 85 blocks.
It’s generally impossible, you wanted to say :)

KF>> There are useful programs in the isdos, but the system itself is [censored]. There
KF>> it’s difficult to work with files longer than 85 blocks.

AN> It seems that you find out about some thread and start criticizing it
AN>... 85 blocks is a lot. Naturally, if the blocks are not equal to
AN> 256 bytes. ;)

When actively working with a file, the segment length tends to 256 bytes.
And in isdos, the concept of BLOCK means just 256 bytes.

AN> And with files _longer_ than 85 blocks in is-dos it is not difficult to work,
AN> and
AN> it is simply impossible. ;)

That's what I'm talking about. You need a FAT, or a segment descriptor that is not 256 bytes,
but infinite.

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]

How are you, Kirill?

Sunday May 02, 1999 01:50, Kirill Frolov wrote to Alex Noman:

KF> When actively working with a file, the segment length tends to 256 bytes.

To a block. :)

KF> You need a FAT, or a segment descriptor that is not 256 bytes, but infinite.

You maniac... :*) You don't have enough of everything: the processor's commands, segments, memory sizes...
Are you generally satisfied with the spec? :)

02 May 99 22:16, Alex Noman wrote to Kirill Frolov:

AN> You maniac... :*) You don't have enough of everything: the processor's commands, segments, memory volumes
AN>... Are you generally satisfied with the spec? :)

Only if you watch the demos :-(

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]

AN>> memory volumes...Are you generally satisfied with the spec? :)
KF> Only if you watch the demos :-(

Well, go ahead...

People, look how the PC in just a month (maybe more, maybe less) ruined an ardent Spectrumist-coder... It's sad.

Bye, All! Megus/Brainwave^X-Project. [ZX] [NeOS]

RP> People, look how the PC in just a month (maybe more, maybe less)
RP> ruined an ardent spektrumist-coder... It's sad.

Can he be completely disconnected from the echo? ;)))))))

AN>>> You maniac... :*) You don't have enough of everything: the processor's commands, segments,
AN>>> memory capacity... Are you generally satisfied with the spec? :)
KF>> Only if you watch the demos :-(
RP> People, look at how PC in just a month (maybe more, maybe less)
RP> ruined an ardent spektrumist-coder... It’s sad.