NEMO's review of FRUNZE's video about CC999

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From Oleg Golenkoff To All 24 July 2000

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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:20:33 +1100
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To: Sergey Zotov <zs...@info.ssu.samara.ru>
Subject: (C)Nemo about CC999 film

Hello ,

Вот как и обещал рецензия (C)Nemo на филбм о CC999:

Рецензия на фильм Фрунзе "HС-99",
снятый по мотивам
одноим╦нного мероприятия

"- Дэвушка,... меня зовут Гиви...
- ...
-Делом надо заниматься,business..."
"One among strangers, a stranger among one's own"
directed by N. Mikhalkov.

"Oh, Vasya, look what clowns,
Mouth, at least sew on the strings...
Oh, Vasya, look how dirty they are...
like drunks."
V. Vysotsky

"What is this: stupidity or treason? I sat down to look. And what did I see there? And I saw something. But I need to sell “this” somehow - the money has already been invested. And how will I sell “this” now? At least, it is my responsibility to give a general idea of what the client will receive by paying his own money.
a review is needed. So that later they don’t tell me that the Cossack has been sent, I will speak out.
So, in order.
1. The film lasts 90 minutes. But this is not Gigi Vertov, although this is a film, not a report and not a journalistic documentary. Look for information and content in.the film doesn’t follow - it’s not there. Form dominates everything. Namely, clip construction. Those. something in the form of demo-making on
Spectrum. We have to admit that the circle is closed. Of the demomakers who came to HC-99 (and there were probably the majority of them) to demonstrate their technically refined, undoubtedly very
COOL skills, they made a
COOL demo out of them. In the style of Rap (or Rave? - by and large, it doesn’t matter). Form finally won over content. To everyone who gave Frunze an interview, explained something, brought to the attention of the public their thoughts on Spectrum in general and on their activities in particular, who tried to talk about their projects at Spectrum, etc., please break off, they were simply jammed during installation. Moreover, we are not talking about CENSORSHIP, we are talking about the emasculation of content - total and absolute emasculation. The pace of presentation of the video sequence used in the clips does not leave any chance for even a grain of content or a grain of meaning to be retained. The film is so sterile that it can be shown even now on ORT.
2. It should not be considered that this is a film about HC-99. Rather, this is a film about:
2.1. How Frunze himself perceives reality
2.2. How Frunze can make COOL video clips. (This is exactlyso, - from a telephone conversation with Frunze, it became clear that the main goal was... STRENGTH.)
2.3. How to make an absurdist collage out of a meaningful and, in general, AT LEAST SOMETHING organized meeting of people.
The public is nothing more than extras - they are deprived of a voice. The cycle of snatched phrases, faces and screensavers makes the viewer perceive the film as something whole, indivisible into parts. Some kind of verbalization, some kind of comprehension outside the framework of the holistic product offered by Frunze is impossible. And the complete product is the perception of Frunze (see paragraph 2.1). Thus, besides
Frunze, it is difficult to see any other
content in the film.
3. Therefore, let's talk about HOW
Frunze himself sees Spectrum. And he sees it
as follows.
3.1. Everything died long ago. Until the corpse is completely decomposed, it is necessary to actively plunder, making capital from it. Because, in Frunze's opinion, this is already devoid of content, the goal is to demonstrate one's own technical capabilities for the purpose of further resale. (According to Frunze, the standard is MTV. In my opinion, MTV is really a standard, but in the sense of a FAN PIPE OF MAXIMUM DIAMETER, which once burst through. A standard of debilitation that exists at the level of a non-systemic unit.
3.2. Spectrum's slews are simply an all-Russian booze, the public gathers in order to give in and make a fuss. It must be said that the public itself has succeeded in this. Now let her look at herself... Maybe there is AT LEAST SOME positive content in this. Namely, a vile cartoon. If you didn't puke on the HC-99, then puke while watching the movie, maybe it will do some good. It is also interesting to think about HOW people who have no idea about it will perceive Spectrum? Like a half-drunk homeless person? Any video sequence, being recorded at the subcortical level, requires its actualization, representation
outside. It's scary to think about what will happen at the next meeting. After all, the public will seriously decide THAT THIS IS HOW IT WAS, THAT IS HOW IT SHOULD BE. THAT THIS IS REALITY. As a rule, boys 16 - 24 years old do not know psychotechnics that allow them to separate the subconscious from the conscious in their own psyche, not to mention using the subconscious to regulate the conscious and using the conscious to regulate the subconscious. And
this means that the perceived STEREOTYPE,
imposed on Frunze, will be reproduced and replicated BEHAVIORALLY.
I.e. this is zombies. When HomoSapiensa being left unattended is scary. But this is exactly what will happen, since the film (clip) is non-verbal and can only be perceived as something holistic,
i.e. SUBCONSCIOUSLY. By the way, - again from Frunze's conversations - it turned out that the film was being dubbed in English - for REPRODUCTION ABROAD. What will they think about Spectrum?!!! And about Russia
IN GENERAL? It won’t even occur to them that this is just a person, not spoiled by reading in childhood, who got his hands on first-class equipment - well, he did it... This will be perceived as EVIDENCE, AS A FACT. And you, that is, those who came to the Sl╦t, are like a HERD of IDIOTS.
3.3. Commercial distribution on the Spectrum platform is NOT POSSIBLE. (This is indeed true, since COPYRIGHT is not respected.) But from the fact that you cannot sell THEM (ie, Spectrum users), it does not at all follow that you cannot sell THEM.
Which was done brilliantly. The target audience is PC USERS. More precisely, that part of it that is nostalgic for the freedom of Spectrum, sitting in emulators as office clerks on PCs - as a rule, on the network. They are pleased to see such a
representation of events, where the dominant
point of view about the degradation of Spectrum.
So, they were right in switching toRS-k.
Distribution was meant only on
CD-ROMs. Now the pissyushniks will have joy, - full of pants, - Spectrum,
it turns out, is NOT MORE THAN A STOCKHOUSE.
Distribution in Spectrum is IMPOSSIBLE.
And the company (c) Nemo got into trouble out of stupidity and
got into money, because ALL█ CAPTURED. (For why - see below.) Spectrum was used
as a texture, a background - the film was not made for
Spectrumists, because THEY ALL DO NOT PAY EQUALLY, and that is why they were awarded such a film. As they say, he who pays calls the tune.
4. And, finally, the rhetorical question
that the Romans asked when SOMETHING
happened - look for who benefits from it. The answer, by the way, lies on the surface. THE ONLY TV advertisement that is in the film is an ADVERTISING FOR THE SCORPION COMPANY. It was with technical assistance and under the wise leadership of Zonov that the film was put together. The result was exactly what Scorpion needed, namely the following:
4.1. Spectrum is dead, all that's left is a half-drunk scumbag (it's easy to think this idea through - you have to buy a PC - which is exactly what Zonov needs).
4.2. The clerks of the Scorpion company have nothing to say about their new activities at Spectrum, - it doesn’t matter. We simply CONSURE-
GIVE Frunze that it is necessary to make a video
(i.e. we imposeform), and, automatically, BY THE POWER OF THE FORM, EVERYONE SHUT UP, -
EVEN THOSE WHO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. This is really cool - censorship through the imposition of a form. A creative find - I'm afraid, however, that it's not Frunze.
4.3. We get good commercial returns in the PC. It's fun for PC people to watch, and besides, it matches their intellectual level. As they say,
for Senka and a hat.
4.4. An undoubted creative find
can also be considered the MONTAGE of your humble servant, the author of these lines - with whom
do you think? - with a homeless person. It's strong. It
works. Why long dialogues? After all, Nemo can SAY something..., - revealing his low intellectual level and some things that are not entirely pleasant to the CUSTOMER of the film. Therefore
no conversations - it is simply edited together with the homeless person, and into the subcortex, into the subconscious of the viewer. It is unlikely that he will then be able to give himself a CONSCIOUS account of why he perceives Nemo in this particular way and not in any other way. Score five points. This is real PR (read "PR" - translated from English - "public relations" :-), -
which in fact, as a rule, turn out to be banal management of mass consciousness). And the tempo of the clip (i.e. the form of presentation
of the material) is not conducive toaugust
conversations. This is not “Swan Lake” for you - the time of presence in the frame is determined and is directly proportional to the alcohol content in the blood. Temporhythmics, plasticity - everything is sacrificed to form. The clip must be COOL, otherwise they won’t notice it on MTV. And in fact, Frunze's prospects are cloudless - he will undoubtedly be in demand. Not everyone
has the talent to turn a meaningful gathering of people into a
boomer through a television camera - in the process, EMPHASIZING ALL█
CONTENTS. Such talent on television is worth its weight in gold. At the same time, he is chastely irresponsible and does not realize the uncleanliness and
dirtiness of his work - i.e. IDEAL PERFORMER.
What conclusion suggests itself? That's right,
there is no alternative, - everything is in shit, - Scorpion remains, - you need to buy a PC.
5. Well, what conclusions can be drawn and
summarized?
5.1. The film should be bought AT LEAST BY THOSE
who was present there, so that THEY could
appreciate how masterfully one can DISTORT reality. This is sobering. In addition, it is possible to instantly achieve an understanding of the essence of television. Those. there is no need to contemplate (watch) TV with the sound and image turned off, as Pelevin recommends, for 15 years.
5.2. For myself personally, I decided that Frunze,probably will not cover the following incidents - for the simple reason that it is unlikely that anyone will communicate with him AT ALL after what he has seen. (I mean people
who are REALLY TRYING TO DO SOMETHING
IN SPECTRUM).
For everyone else who sleeps and sees themselves
on the TV screen - and only dreams of that - we can recommend to eat yourself until the pig squeals. This is a guarantee of getting into the frame. What kind of demos you write and what useful things you did at Spectrum no longer matters to Frunze. Shocking, shocking and once again shocking, as the great Lenin taught. More eccentricity. You can, for example, appear at a meeting in a uniform with a spread-out star and an air rifle under your arm. The more unattractive a light you present yourself, the better the shot.
Today, at 19.30 on March 19, 2000, I called
Frunze: you never know, maybe not everything is lost?
Maybe he still has the originals, sources, tapes? (For the distribution of f.
Nemo, cassettes of 180 min were purchased, but not
90, - 90 min were not available, the difference in price
is not significant. That is, it would be possible to adjust everything that did not fit into FRUNZE'S IDEA). But this is impossible. It's all over. Here's St. George's Day for you, grandma.
At first there was a feeling that Frunze
simply DID NOT UNDERSTAND that he was used for a one-time use,like a condom, by
Scorpion. But after his words: “ALL█ ZAT█-
RTO, THERE ARE NO SOURCES,” we have to admit that HE CONSCIOUSLY INSISTS ON HIS INTERPRETATION OF EVENTS. Well,
that's his right. At the same time, no one deprived f. (c) Nemo is right to see events
somewhat differently. For example, in this way
as stated in the review.
P.S. A little about disposability. This is not a coincidence or an accident. But on the contrary, it is a typical and commercially justified type of business. If there is a business, then there are standard work patterns. If you look at the diagram, then the whole business is in full view. The scheme
is implemented repeatedly and cyclically - that's why it is a scheme. In this way, the OBKhSS (department for combating the theft of socialist property - a subdivision in the structures of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Information for those who were born yesterday) identified shop workers in the early 80s. Disposability is very practical - used a person - and in the ditch, out of sight. Dima Lomov was used according to the same scheme. Zonov then needed to advertise his next bullshit - GMX. Dima was a coder for Spectrum-Expert, a magazine that had a certain weight, a certain amount of trust among users. And Dima himself was a very authoritative person inSpectrum.
He acquired immeasurable steepness - his fingers were all like a fan, - and the same on his feet.
Zonov suggested that he write a text editor for GMX - a thing absolutely unrealistic, because Zonov HIMSELF KNEW that this was bullshit, a product made of papier-mâché. The purpose of which is to place it in the window of a PC shop to lure Spectrum's lamers. And Dima BUYED his self-love (plus they promised him a little money, which he, of course, did not receive). And
it began. "GMX is so beautiful - beautiful, but it also has this... , -
etc." And all this is in the magazine "Spectrum-Ex-pert" in the NAME OF Dima Lomov. I wonder how many lamers got the money from Dima's feed? I think several dozen - multiply by the price of GMX - and you will get the amount for which Zonov sold Dimin's reputation in Spectrum. But reputation, like conscience, is not for sale. Those. You can buy it, but you can’t sell it.
This product disappears like smoke at the moment of purchase and sale. For some reason, Dima has not been seen or heard since then in Spectrum... The poor fellow still blushes when I painfully remember him the apotheosis of his hysteria in "Spectrum-Expert": "Oh,... I wish I could... I wish I could GMX..." It's understandable -He will now wear this disgrace until his gray hair. It's good that I haven't forgotten how to blush. But they warned Dima about
“one-time use.” Somehow the fingers no longer form a fan in the position in which Zonov put him. By the way,
after this XTR began to fall apart.
Slava Dengeroz (X-Trade) realized that his
partner was FOR SALE. They lured him with money, and Dima ran half-bent. And he was needed not as a coder, but as a clown, in a cap and with bells. So Frunze is not alone. The question is who's next.

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From Oleg Golenkoff To All 28 July 2000

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· Hello, All! I want to say this...

SO> Subject: (C)Nemo about CC999 film

SO> Hello ,

SO> That's as promised (C)Nemo's review of the film about CC999:

SO> Review of Frunze's film "HC-99",
SO> based on the
SO> event of the same name

[....]

Congratulations to EVERYONE!!! I’m doing it on such a rotting platform:( Maybe it’s on... listen to the guys who have long been dumped from the Spectrum and close their shop (bbs)? Who needs it? After all, all we do is resuscitate the troupe on whose monitor we are now looking. Spectrum network on such a shitty machine as
Scorpio? Can you really just give up everything and just take care of your family? And
drink vodka in the evenings and go to whores?:(
Who needs all this? Why the hell does anyone need all this? Go ahead and buy all of them together
PC and look stupidly at it.cool Windows!!!!:((((

How sick of everything I am:( Honestly:( how everyone likes to impose their opinion
those who sit on the PC and join the “elite” are waiting for “ChV2” and say that they suffer
nostalgia:(

What right do they have to judge something that they have long given up on?
Not a single spec user, and in particular a user Scorpov, do not speak negatively about their cars. And all because no one else knows their “favorites” like they do and they know what is capable of what and can say with confidence whether Spectrum will live or not. Why do various cool guys with third Pentiums bend their fingers and predict the fate of the Spectrum? They think that once they left this platform, everything will die, that no one is capable of them? replace?

They are making a big mistake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One left, two came (simple users like me become coders) though they are not so cool right away, but everything takes time

PEOPLE, wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You shouldn’t accept someone’s opinion!!!!!!!!! You have to see and feel
for yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!

All our lives we have been accustomed to believing what is written:( WE heard from someone that candy
is “shit” and agreed with it:( although we ourselves are already chewing this candy, but we cannot
object to the authority who told us this:( So it turns out?
correctly?

And now I’ll end with what I started. Who needs my work?
Who needs itthe work of anyone else who is doing the same thing as me, wasting their
time and ruining their family relationships for the sake of "Spectrum"?

If at least one person agrees with what was written here about Speck
is dying, and Scorpio is a bullshit company that is trying to scam everyone (probably she screwed me too?:(),
THEN I am closing my station forever, because apparently I'm the only one obsessed with the "shitty" Spectrum platform:(

So that people don't find out who agreed with this, I ask you to write to the soap!

But honestly, I'm tired of listening to fucking
emulators almost every day about the "corpse" as they think.

I'm upset:( that people took to heart everything that was written and changed
their opinion:(((((((((((((((((

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From Wladimir Bulchukey To All 30 July 2000

Greetings, Oleg!

28 Jul 00 12:32, Oleg Golenkoff -> All:

OG> Not a single spec user, and in particular the Scorpov user, speaks negatively about their cars. And all because
OG> because
OG> no one else is familiar with their “favorites” and knows
OG> what’s what able and with confidence they can say whether
OG> will live or not, Spectrum

OG> PEOPLE, please say goodbye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OG> You shouldn’t accept someone’s opinion!!!!!!!!! HYou need to see and
OG> feel for yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!

OG> And now I’ll end with what I started. Who needs my work?
OG> Who needs the work of anyone else who is doing the same thing?
OG> and I wasting my time and ruining my family relationships for the sake of
OG> Spectrum?

OG> If at least one person agrees with what was written here
OG> written about Specki is dying, and Scorpio is a bullshit
OG> company that is trying everyone about $2at (she probably
OG> also gave me $bala?:(), THEN I close my station forever,
OG> because apparently I’m the only one obsessed with the “shitty” platform
OG> Spectrum:(

Oleg, there was a massive negative reaction specifically to the film about CC999,
and Nemo’s personal opinion about the rest, including the Scorpio company -
thing tenth. It would be even more funny if he supported
your competitor.People need work, and it doesn’t matter whether it’s done on Scorpio
or, say, on a PC. Dozens of people will thank you
even now, you just have to ask their opinion about this, and not about the film
(c) Frunze.

OG> But honestly, I’m tired of listening to fucking emulators almost every day
OG> about the “corpse” as they
OG> think.

Here I am a realist, everyone seems to know that. And I support the review given by Nemo. I support you regarding the film and its coverage of the Festival! I didn't even read much of the rest ;).
And I continue to work on the real Spectrum.

With the best - Wlodek. mailto: wlb...@chat.ru
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From Oleg Golenkoff To All 31 July 2000

Well, hello to you, Wladimir!
Once Wladimir Bulchukey tapped on the keyboard to Oleg Golenkoff:

[ ..gnawed off by the evil three-headed Snake.. ]

WB> Oleg, there was a massive negative reaction specifically to the film about CC999,
WB> and Nemo’s personal opinion about the rest, including the Scorpio company -
WB> the tenth thing. Moreover, it would be funny if he supported
WB> his competitor. People need your work, and it doesn’t matter whether it’s done on Scorpio
WB> or, say, on a PC. Dozens of people will thank you
WB> even now, you just have to ask their opinion about this, and not about the film
WB> (c) Frunze.

[ ..gnawed off by the evil three-headed Snake.. ]

you know this is the least of my worries :) it was not my opinion, I just
forwarded the letter! I will express my opinion after watching the film! although I already suspect in advance that it will be clearly the opposite of Comrade Nemo. if only because I liked the video - it's cool! it’s just that people apparently were expecting films in the style of
enlight & fun top - but they got mtv :P

From Wladimir Bulchukey To All 2 August 2000

WB>> the film is about CC999, and Nemo’s personal opinion about the rest, including
WB>> including the Scorpio company, is the tenth thing.

OG> you know, this is the least of my worries :) it was not my opinion
OG> opinion, I just forwarded the letter! I will express my opinion
OG> after watching the film!

So you haven’t watched it yet?! :-O

OG> although I already suspect in advance that it
OG> will be clearly the opposite of comrade Nemo. at least because
OG> I liked the
OG> video - it’s cool! it’s just that people apparently were waiting for

^^^^^a film is a video multiplied in time by a constant :).

OG> films in the enlight & fun top style - but they got mtv :P

^^^
This is terrible, _imho_.
By the way, I suspected that this is exactly what would happen
even at the filming stage, when Frunze, while filming interview
with our Antares, danced with the camera, whimsically
doing aerobatic maneuvers in the air
instead of installing the camera on a tripod.
/pros: I have been a film enthusiast for 25 years, in 1978
I even received a certificate from the Timiryazevsky Komsomol district committee for a film
about a subbotnik dedicated to the 20th Congress Komsomol.
/ps: that’s it, I’m done with the topic.

From Oleg Golenkoff To All 3 August 2000

WB> By the way, that this is exactly what would happen, I suspected
WB> even at the stage of filming, when Frunze, filming an interview
WB> with our Antares, danced with the camera, fancifully
WB> using it to create aerobatic maneuvers in the air,
WB> instead of installing the camera on a tripod.

[ ..snapped by the evil three-headed Snake.. ]

WB> /ps: that's it, I'm done with the topic.

We'll talk about this at CC'000 :)

PS: By the way... People! who is from St. Petersburg? What could you do if you lost time CC?