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ZXNet echo conference «real.speccy»
For a year now, not a single person from the mod team has been in the echo. I propose to elect Vlad Sotnikov as moderator. Who is for, who is against, who abstained?
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DB> For a year now there hasn’t been a single person from the mod staff in the echo. I propose to elect
DB> Vlad Sotnikov as moderator. Who is for, who is against, who abstained?
So, it’s impossible to do anything without a moderator.
Bye!
Octomber, 30, 2005 01:45 Dima Bystrov Wrote to All :
DB> For a year now, not a single person from the mod team has been in the echo. I propose to elect
DB> Vlad Sotnikov as moderator. Who is for, who is against, who abstained?
I am in principle for, but with some reservations: if there
there is no similarity to ZX.SPECTRUM, i.e. dominance of pioneers and
left-wing masquerade gates like zx.pk.ru. (let them write
with 5020/400, or 2:46/128). In addition, it is necessary not to
neglect the presence of a LARGE number of machines with 48kb
and without disk drives, I’m not talking about “2400 modems and
50 MB hard drives” (c)Vadik Akimoff. And there is no need to almost forcefully offer everyone the opportunity to design USB and SVGA
adapters! - for compatibility with “enemy” peripherals.
I propose to make off-topic for now only the discussion
of “modding” cases.
... he came running extremely excited, and was shocked by the message to us!
DB> I propose to elect Vlad Sotnikov as moderator. Who is for, who
DB> against, who abstained?
For.
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ZG> So, it’s impossible to do anything without a moderator.
ZG> Bye!
Eh? What? No moderator? Hurray! Freedom!!! Anarchy is the mother of order! Let's
flood! :)))
What points did we have under the heading “Wow!!!”? For example, it was impossible to spawn platforms like XXX vs yyy.... So let's start -
Spectrum - it's a complete rule! And the PC is not even close to him, and in general, he's a jerk and
shit. In terms of coolness, only the Amiga comes close to the Spectrum. And then only for
individual relationships. And the pisishniks are all mazdaischiki and lamers! The Internet is a collective trash heap. In short, throw everything away and switch to Spectrum! :)
What else was wrong? Should we discuss emulators?
Hey, people, the coolest emulator is Anryl! Everyone, download it and use it! The only thing that can be cooler than this is real life, and not always. You can even do this: everyone throw away your kai and scorpion pentagons and move to the anryl! And when you get tired of sitting
at the emulsion and again reach for real money, then contact us at NedoPC and buy
ATM (since you have already thrown away your computers)!
Well, and the most important thing for dessert: it’s “no good” to speak disrespectfully about Sir Clive
Sinclair... Well, there you go. This guy is a complete idiot and lawless guy. And finally, as Konstantin Sviridov proved on the website http://zxnext.narod.ru - no longer he
invented the spec, and a group of engineers he hired. He only inserted his face into advertising videos, but he raked in the money (and he couldn’t do that successfully either). And the Spaniards actually made Spec-128. And this Mazda guy also indulged in pissing - he declared that, “PC is thr next computer.” Well, who is he then for a True Spectrumist? At least a pig. But for the most part, I will remain silent. Rules of decency do not allow...
P.S. Here you go. If after this the mod doesn’t show up, then I don’t know what to come up with. Well, if he shows up, then for the sake of such a rare event and the advantages of the
stars, you won’t mind grabbing... :)
Maksagor, NedoPC group. ATM-turbo 2+
In a message of 31 Oct 05 Konstantin Denisov wrote to Dima Bystrov:
KD> I am in principle for it, but with some reservations: if there
KD> there is no similarity to ZX.SPECTRUM, i.e. dominance of the pioneers
Yeah, let there be only 50-year-old guys, like the moderator in the same zx.spectrum =)
KD> and left-wing masquerade gates like zx.pk.ru. (let them write from 5020/400, or
KD> 2:46/128).
By the way, I’m telling you. They came to the zx.spectrum not to write there, but so that
they (the Echo people) could write to the forum. In short - so that there is integration. However
then, through the collective efforts of both the moderator of the echo (it was he who demanded that it be
"guest from", and not a normal nickname), and the owner of that forum (who, in
his turn, started a bullshit there, 'come on, everyone was quickly added to the profiles
rilnames!') - everything came to naught. True, so far he has not managed, thank God,
to force everyone on the forum to enter their real names, at least from those who
managed not to enter :), but there are already losses - for example, comrade
Bulba left the forum. As a result, what happened: a separate reservation was created on the forum, where messages from the echoes are dumped. ThisReservations are allowed only to those who have a real name and who have asked for the highest permission from the owner of the forum. Well,
naturally, no one from the forum writes anything there (I don’t remember who last wrote to the echo from the forum after the guests disappeared), and
the echo members, deprived of the opportunity to participate in discussions in normal places
of the forum, again found themselves cut off from it.
In the end it turned out: they wanted the best, but it didn’t work out. My congratulations
to all the stubborn people who made this possible the way it is.
KD> In addition, it is necessary not to neglect the presence of a LARGE number of
KD> machines with 48kb and without disk drives,
Show me these machines. Show us some FRESH software for them. Show the people who are doing something on them. Otherwise, let them perish in the trash heaps. =)
KD> I’m no longer talking about “2400 modems and 50 MB hard drives” (c)Vadik
KD> Akimoff. And there is no need for everyone, almost by force, to offer
KD> to design USB and SVGA adapters! - for compatibility with
KD> "enemy" peripherals.
We must, we must. Otherwise, everything will disappear in the trash heaps even earlier.
KD> I propose to make offtopic for now only the discussion
KD> of “modding” cases.
By the way, any kind of tightening of the screws does not lead to good.
I offer myself as a moderator - I promise only with terrible crueltyвыгонять
'левых' кащеитов. =)))) Results at irc.forestnet.org, email #mhm =)
Bye...
01 Nov 05 03:59, Maxim Timonin wrote to Zhenya Grigoriev:
MT> What else was wrong? Should we discuss emulators?
MT> Well, people, the coolest emulator is Anryl! Everyone, load it and
MT> use it! Only real life can be cooler than it, and not always. You can even
MT> like this: everyone throw away your kai and scorpion pentagons and change to
MT> anryl!
you can only throw out broken ones, and let the workers work. And at least one
should be left for operations with floppy disks.
MT> Well, and the most important thing for dessert: it’s “no good” to speak disrespectfully about Sir
MT> Clive Sinclair... Well, there you go. This guy is a complete asshole and
MT> lawless. And finally, as Konstantin Sviridov proved on the website
MT> http://zxnext.narod.ru - he’s not the one who speculated invented, and a group of engineers hired by him
MT>. He only inserted his face into commercials, but the money
MT> went to him (and he couldn’t do that successfully either).
Read more about Sviridov. He should work in a PR agency with such a sharp tongue. "Proved"? There are no proofs in boltology. There are convincing
(for someone) speeches. YouDo you think we would have waited for the ZX Spectrum if there had not been a
company that gathered SUCH people, gave SUCH tasks, financed
hardware and software development, production, distribution and maintenance? Why do you think Edison is important to humanity? A light bulb? No, Lodygin came up with that idea.
Sound recording? Those are most likely Edison's engineers. You'll never guess. The one who created the ELECTRIC NETWORK. He invested money, gathered people, bought inventions - and
created an electrical network.
MT> And the Spaniards
MT> actually made the Spec-128. And this Mazda guy also fell into pissyukanism - he stated that,
MT> they say, “PC is thr next computer.”
this was stated by ZX-Review, not Clive Sinclair. Read more about the ZX-Review, they wrote about two Kempston joysticks, and about the planet Raxxla, and about a lot more.
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31 Oct 05 12:59, Konstantin Denisov wrote to Dima Bystrov:
KD> I propose to make offtopic for now only the discussion
KD> of “modding” cases.
I also propose to allow posting in UUE up to 64k per day (count the day from 8:00
am), and until 256k (for four days) - without asking permission from the moderator.
The archiver is not only zip, but also rar2 (with a 64k dictionary).
Octomber, 30, 2005 22:59 Zhenya Grigoriev Wrote to Dima Bystrov :
DB>> elect Vlad Sotnikov as moderator. Who is for, who is against, who
DB>> abstained?
ZG> So, it’s impossible to do anything without a moderator.
You can ;)
... The unresolved question: who is more alive - V. Lenin or V. Tsoi?
DB> Read more from Sviridov. He should work in a PR agency with such a sharp tongue. "Proved"? There are no proofs in boltology. There are
Yes, I proved it. And I not only read him, but also personally talked to him face to face.
What work he did in collecting materials (and continues to do) - I observed
and I observe personally. And I also read your correspondence with him in IG7. And I think, based on its results, that you, IMHO, are wrong. Especially in baseless accusations of
boltology.
DB> convincing (for some) speeches. Do you think we would have waited for the ZX Spectrum
DB> if there had not been a company that gathered SUCH people, gave SUCH a task,
DB> financed the development of hardware and software, production, distribution and
DB> maintenance? Why do you think Edison is important to humanity? A light bulb?
DB> No, Lodygin came up with that one.
DB> Sound recording? Those are most likely Edison's engineers. There's no way
DB> you'll guess. By creating the ELECTRIC NETWORK. I invested money, gathered people, bought
DB> inventions - and created an electrical network.
Yes, I know, I know how a businessman differs from an engineer, and what function he
performs. But actually, I started this topic for fun, to have fun.
And you have vulgarized everything with your demonstrative seriousness. Crap. Sometimes you need to dust off your sense of humor. :)
DB> I also propose to allow posting in UUE up to 64k per day (days from
DB> read
DB> from 8:00 am), and up to 256k (in four days) - without asking
DB> permission from the moderator. The archiver is not only zip, but also
DB> rar2 (with a 64k dictionary).
And no higher! I myself use it only for internal use, but for the people I pack ARJ LHA and PKZIP 1.02.
...: N. Krupskaya - “The Question of Children” - ("Krugozor", 1962)
Damn you!!! I spent two weeks restoring one machine
- now it’s plowing.
DB> and let the workers work
DB> . And at least one should remain for operations with floppy disks.
HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!! Ehehehehehehehehehehehehe!!!!!
;;;;;;-((=)sh)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
One for the whole country?!!!
...I remember reading somewhere (either in “Technology of Youth”
or in “Radio”), an interview with the developer of Electro-
nicknames-0585, or her KHGMD, when he was asked the question
why the factory firmware for the 8751 (or 1816BE51),
which controls KHGMD, cannot (AT ALL) format floppy disks, he answered - HAHAHAHHAAH!!!!
What could you do? to think - he said, it's "complicated" and
in general [tra-la-la],"I believe that formatting
floppy disks should be carried out *CENTRALIZED!!!*"
...............................................
... : Gr.Ab: CHILDREN'S DOCTOR SAID "NISHTYAK"
KD> number of machines with 48kb and without disk drives,
VA> Show me these machines. Show FRESH software for them.
"FRESH" SOFTWARE, AT LEAST 3-4 YEARS AGO, THERE IS.
ONLY NO ONE WILL BE (BY GOOD WILL, AT LEAST),
WILL BE bothered with transferring it from the film to TR-DOS, AND EVEN MORE
IN PC FILES. ONE PERSON TO MY PROPOSAL
TO DIGITIZE AND PUT IT ON A BBS ANSWERED THAT “I DON’T WANT
[cens.] FOR MY SOFTWARE [cens.] TO BE LAUNCHED ON [censored ]
UNDER THESE [censored] EMULATORS [cens.], BECAUSE "EMU-
THERE'S A LOT OF BUGS, AND THE PEOPLE AS A RESULT WILL BE CURRING AND
THINKING THAT THERE ARE BUGS IN MY PROGRAMS" - these are his words.
VA> Show the people who
VA> are doing something to them.
Their names and surnames won't tell you anything anyway
, and most of these people have neither e-mails,
nor fidosh "nodes" and "points".
VA> By the way, any kind of tightening the screws does not lead to good
with me everything is very harsh and totalitarian -
in addition to the list of offtopics, there is
"a list of topics RECOMMENDED for discussion"
VA> . I propose myself as a moderator - I promise only to drive out the 'left' Kaschenites with terrible cruelty. =)))) For examples you can go to
AND WE WILL WRITE IN "SPORTLOTO" !!!!!!!
... : Civil Defense -Entropy
MT> Yes, I proved it. And I not only read him, but also personally talked to him face to face
MT>. What kind of work he did in collecting materials (and continues
MT> to do) - I observed and am observing personally.
Is it a discovery for you that so many thinkers select sources to illustrate
a certain idea? This, by the way, is not so easy for these thinkers to avoid. From childhood we must learn to think for both sides.
MT> And I read your correspondence with him in IG7 too
MT>. And I think, based on its results, that you, IMHO, are wrong. Moreover, in
MT> groundless accusations of chatterology.
Babology is what I call speaking sciences, and this is not an accusation, but simply
a reduction of two words into one. And true proofs happen where the operations
are formalized, where after each operation it is known whether it affects the
domain of truth of the deduced statement, and if it does, then how.
For example, Engels (you yourself sent me the text of “Anti-Dühring”, where I
get this from) quotes the “proof” of Kant (I don’t have Kant himself at hand right now):
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"Thesis. The world in time has a beginning, but in space it is enclosed within boundaries.
"Proof. Let us assume that the world has no beginning in time, then
we must imagine that before each given moment a whole
elapsedeternity and, consequently, an infinite series of states of things in the world, one after another. The infinity of the series lies in the fact that through sequential synthesis it can never be completed. Consequently
an endless flowing world series is impossible, and the beginning of the world is a necessary
condition for its existence. This is the first.
"In the second case, we will also begin with the opposite statement. Then we must
represent the world as an infinite given whole of things that simultaneously
exist. But the magnitude of such a quantity, the limits of which are not defined in a visual representation, we can represent only through the synthesis
of parts, and the integrity of such a magnitude - only through a completed synthesis,
or complete addition of units. Therefore, in order to think about the world, filling
space as a whole, it is necessary to represent the consistent synthesis of the parts of an infinite world as complete, that is, it is necessary to imagine infinite time as having passed in the calculation of all coexisting things, which is impossible. So, a finite collection of real things cannot be considered as a given whole, and, moreover, as a given one at the same time. Consequently, the world, in terms of its extent in space, is not infinite, but is contained in. limits, which was required
to be proven."
These provisions were copied verbatim from one well-known book,published
first in 1781 and entitled: "Critique of Pure Reason" by Immanuel Kant,
where everyone can read them in the first part, second section, second book, second
chapter, 2nd
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Okay "proof"? Especially look where the word “therefore” is.
The logic is downright feminine (although, perhaps, it was convincing for the 18th century or
sounded more convincing in German than in Russian). By the way, such logical leaps are not only in Kant, but in MANY philosophers. And from historians, and from
sociologists, and from political scientists, and from psychologists.
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But Kant does not at all think that his proof exhausts the above provisions. On the contrary: on the opposite page he asserts and
proves the opposite, that the world has no beginning in time and no end in space;
and he sees an antinomy, an insoluble contradiction precisely in the fact that one
statement is just as provable as the second.
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This is the price of boltology "evidence".
DB>> they wrote about two Kempston joysticks, and about the planet Raxxla, and
DB>> about a lot of other things.
MT> Gee, where is Sinclair’s statement that he made the Spectrum-128? :)))
In addition, I can say that when the 128th branded one went into series
, then Sinclair Research ltd. already bent... although I'm afraid to lie -
at least they made 2+ and 3+ (with a built-in tape recorder and
disk drive), and QL.
... UnderMusic=Gp.Ob. - “Head into the wall”, 1987
DB>> elect Vlad Sotnikov as moderator. Who is for, who is against, who
DB>> abstained?
KD> I am in principle for, but with some reservations: if there
KD> there is no resemblance to ZX.SPECTRUM, i.e. dominance of pioneers and
KD> left-wing masquerade gates like zx.pk.ru. (let them write
KD> with 5020/400, or 2:46/128). In addition, it is necessary that
KD> not neglect the presence of a LARGE number of machines with 48kb
KD> and without disk drives, I’m not talking about “2400 modems and
KD> 50 MB hard drives” (c)Vadik Akimoff. And there is no need for everyone, almost by force, to offer to design USB and SVGA
KD> adapters! - for compatibility with the “enemy” periphery.
If I am elected as a moderator, this will be excluded - the echo will
be moderated based on the echo tag - i.e. real cars. I consider it pointless to make a mirror of an Internet forum here. Moreover, I can add that there are
many pressing issues related to the real Spectrum that require
discussion. This echo is the best place for this.
P.S. I wrote letters to the moderator and co-moderators of the echo - so far I have not received anything from themanswer. I'll wait a little longer and turn to REC with a request to hold
elections...
November 02, 2005 (and it was 00:10 then)
Dima Bystrov in his letter to Konstantin Denisov wrote:
DB> I also propose to allow posting in UUE up to 64k per day (count the day from
DB> 8:00 am), and up to 256k (in four days) - without asking
DB> moderator permissions. Archiver not only zip, but also rar2 (with 64k
DB> dictionary).
I support.
Moderator of Ru.Baika, Moderator of Ru.Etymology, CoModerator of Ru.Masyanya
FIDO: 2:5030/1512 ZXNET: 500:812/19 E-mail: veg...@mail.ru ICQ: 144932679
KD> THERE IS "FRESH" SOFTWARE, AT LEAST 3-4 YEARS AGO.
KD> ONLY NO ONE WILL BE (BY GOOD WILL, AT LEAST),
KD> WILL BE bothered with transferring it from the film to TR-DOS, AND EVEN
KD> MORE IN PC FILES. ONE PERSON TO MY PROPOSAL
KD> TO DIGITIZE AND PUT IT ON A BBS ANSWERED THAT “I DON’T WANT,
KD> [cens.], FOR MY SOFTWARE, [cens.], TO BE LAUNCHED ON [censored ]
KD>, UNDER THESE [censored] EMULATORS,[cens], BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF BUGS IN EMU-
KD>, AND PEOPLE AS A RESULT WILL BE CURRING AND
KD> THINK THAT THERE ARE BUGS IN MY PROGRAMS" - these are his words.
What a fool! (not you, but that person). And not in the sense that emulsions are our everything, but
the arguments are simply stupid and absolutely lame. Based on this phrase, I generally doubt that these programs of his are written in anything more complex than built-in BASIC. BASIC, of course, the steering wheel, but it doesn’t glitch even under the most glitchy emulsions. By the way, the style of argumentation is familiar. Wasn't it JeRrS who said that?
:)
I suggest, while there is an opportunity, that all Konstantin Denisovs and other
“ribboners” rename the echo from REAL.SPECCY to REAL.128SPECCY!
Let them burst with anger! :)))
03 Nov 05 20:59, Vlad Sotnikov -> Konstantin Denisov:
VS> I wrote letters to the moderator and co-moderators of the echo - so far I have not
VS> received any response from them. I'll wait a little longer and turn to the REC with
VS> a request to hold elections...
I'm for it.
With the best - Wlodek # wlblack(@)newmail.ru # http://wlodeks.narod.ru
[ZX] [500:95/462@ZXNet] [2:5016 Forever] [Golyanovo] [Old Russians]
WB> I am for it.
And I am against it! And not against any specific moderator, but in general
against moderators! Echo exists perfectly well without them.
People, is zx.spectrum and zx.pk.ru? And here you want to march in formation??
None of the above is our candidate! =))
Bye...
С ниллчшими - Wlodek # wlblack(@) newmail.ru # http://wlodeks.narod.ru
[ZX] [500:95/462@ZXNet] [2:5016 Forever] [Golyanovo] [Publisher]
VA>> generally against moderators! Ekha exists just fine without them.
WB> It just doesn’t exist; they won’t accept a bond without a moderator.
Why is she on a bond? zx.spectrum is not on the boom at all - and everything is fine.
Come on, gentlemen, nut tighteners and self-promoters, try to clearly
explain why you need THIS echo on the boom? So that the pioneers with the Kaschenites would come? Or
for some other reason (for example, to moderate for your own pleasure)?
Bye...
03 Nov at 20:59, Vlad Sotnikov wrote to Konstantin Denisov:
VS> P.S. I wrote letters to the moderator and co-moderators of the echo - so far I have not received any response from them. I'll wait a little longer and turn to REC with
VS> a request to hold elections...
Taking into account the fact that the echo was created in Ukraine, I didn't
raise the Russian bond, it's not at all clear which REC you are going to write to ;)
Au revoir.
Tim Kelly [Team Kelly] [ZX]
... np: silence