IzhNews #0D
ZXNet echo conference «real.speccy»
People, the issue is ready!
can be downloaded from the sites
www.brutalcreatros.da.ru
www.pos.fmshop.ru
2Moderator - zip file 1.2 mb - can I post?
Sincerely, HIMIK'S ZxZ/PoS-WT.
Thank you, Ilya!
01 Mar 03 15:47, Ilya Kudryavcev -> All:
IK> Help, please! subject
IK> www.brutalcreatros.da.ru
ors?
In the woods, Vadim.
Sunday March 02 2003 22:34, Comoderator of Real.Speccy why something wrote (a) Ilya
Kudryavcev:
CS> ...
IK>> www.brutalcreatros.da.ru
VC> ors?
ага, brutalcreators.da.ru
videos Like :)
NA> In my opinion, thanks to the efforts of Dima Bystrov, you can already switch
NA> to RAR archives.
but the difference turned out to be small, both pap and zip.
Asya would do that :)
...Ilya Kudryavcev ..> All:
IK> 2Moderator - zip file 1.2 mb - can I post?
Are you kidding me? How do you actually order this to be unpacked?
...bye.Ilya! ...tigrr//bw::ceg
... Divine Inspiration - The Way (Svenson & Gielen Remix) ...
CoRS> are you kidding me? How can you really order this to be unpacked?
If you allow it, let me know in advance so you have time to unsubscribe...
Bye. Roman.
02 Mar 03 21:54, Nikolaj Amosov wrote to Ilya Kudryavcev:
NA> In my opinion, thanks to the efforts of Dima Bystrov, you can already switch
NA> to RAR archives.
There is no point. With the restrictions that are imposed on the RAR archive in order
to be unpacked on the Spectrum, the compression in the ZIP archive turns out to be no worse.
Hello, Nikolaj!
02 March 03 21:54, Nikolaj Amosov -> Ilya Kudryavcev:
NA> In my opinion, thanks to the efforts of Dima Bystrov, you can already switch
NA> to RAR archives.
What, he already understands the format of version 3?
Sincerely, Evgeniy.
EP> What, does he already understand the version 3 format?
No. And as for the 3 RAR format, it didn’t exist yet?
NA>> switch to RAR archives.
KF> There is no point. With the restrictions that are imposed on the
KF> RAR archive in order to be unpacked on the Spectrum,
KF> compression in the ZIP archive turns out to be no worse.
In any case, even with those restrictions, the RAR archive turns out to be smaller
in size than in the ZIP. Besides, what kind of restrictions are there? Well, besides the fact that the archive
versions from 1.3 to 2.9 are not multimedia compression and not multi-volume, I don’t know any more
restrictions. Even SOLID is supported...
In short, pack with the default parameters and everything will be OK.
...Ilya Kudryavcev ..> Comoderator of Real.Speccy:
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7. Communication with the Moderator/Comoderator only in netmail,
send all complaints here. Unauthorized moderation
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since people are more against than for :), and whoever needs it will still find somewhere
to steal... for this same echo it turns out too hard. so permission
after some amount of reflection is not given.
CS>> ...hi.Ilya!
04.03.2003, Nikolaj Amosov wrote to Eugene Palenock:
EP>> So, does he already understand the format of version 3?
NA> No. And as for the 3 RAR format, didn’t it exist yet?
It’s just that no one uses anything else anymore.
Bye. Roman.
NA> In any case, even with those restrictions, the archive in the PAP is
NA> smaller in size than in the ZIP.
How much smaller? That's the question. 10% here and there doesn't change anything. But
it takes longer to unpack, not everyone and not everywhere has this unrar, etc... If
it compressed twice as well, that would be a different matter. Otherwise there is no point.
NA> Besides, what kind of restrictions are they? Well, besides the fact that the archive version
NA> is from 1.3 to 2.9, it is not multimedia compression and not multi-volume, I don’t know any more
NA> restrictions. Even SOLID is supported...
will rar -mdE -m5 unpack? You need about a megabyte of memory, but where does so much come from on the Spectrum? In swap?
Compare at your leisure zip with maximum compression and rar with default compression...
IK> No, well, I’m not dumber than a locomotive, I’ll throw two different archives into real life,
IK> disk1 and disk2, respectively :)
You won’t throw it. Such volumes are not for this echo.
By the way, you need to read the rules. At least sometimes.
Au revoir.
Tim Kelly [Team Kelly] [ZX]
... np: silence
Please note that.
05 March 03 (and it was 00:53 then)
Kirill Frolov in his letter to Nikolaj Amosov wrote:
[...skipped...]
KF> Compare at your leisure zip with maximum compression and rar with
KF> default compression...
Compare - the result is not in favor of ZIP (10% archive longer).
03/05/2003, Kirill Frolov wrote to Nikolaj Amosov:
KF> How much less? That's the question. 10% here and there doesn't change anything.
KF> But
KF> takes longer to unpack, not everyone and not everywhere has this unrar, etc... If
KF> it compressed twice better - that's a different matter. Otherwise there is no point.
We have nodes where PAP is used exclusively. I once had a problem with this.
Bye. Roman.
EP> rar version 3 (and 3.1) does not have a compatibility mode with 2 (only 2.90 can unpack it
EP>). And almost everyone has 3.
“almost everyone” - what percentage??
I, for example, know only one person who has 3 RAR - and then
he works as a system administrator in an Internet cafe (he doesn’t care what_ to set).
Sincerely, Vadim.
RM> It’s just that no one uses anything else anymore.
Don’t be ridiculous.
Sincerely, Vadim.
EP>> can unpack it). And almost everyone has 3.
VC> “almost everyone” - what percentage??
Of the people I know, more than 95% use version 3.
Even fidomail, more than half of those who have RAR are packaged with version 3.
VC> I, for example, know only one person who has the 3rd
VC> RAR - and he works as a system administrator in an Internet cafe (he it doesn’t matter
VC> _what_ to put).
He just doesn’t care. He wants to compress data more strongly and save space.
And keep up with progress.
zy. I'm talking about Moscow.
KF> How much less? That's the question. 10% back and forth doesn't
KF> change anything. But it takes longer to unpack, faq??? check! in my opinion, ZIP takes LONGER to unpack!
NA> I compared - the result is not in favor of ZIP (the archive is 10% longer).
Let's say a 640kb disk is sent. What do you like more, extra 64kb or
problems when unpacking a file? (on PC the problem is not like that) Although
there is a certain meaning in rar - this way bugs in unrar will be caught faster.
VC> don't be ridiculous.
yes, don't be ridiculous, there are
not so many strange fanatical adherents of the old rar left, and by and large you have already started to climb into the offtopic here, so
let's tie up the rarity here.
...bye.Vadim! ...tigrr//bw::ceg
... some music CD
EP> He just cares. He wants to compress data more strongly and save
EP> space. And keep up with progress.
this is a controversial issue and not entirely in this echo.
EP> sir. I'm talking about Moscow.
well, it was not for nothing that Zadornov said that Americans all over the world behave the same
as Muscovites do in Russia :-)))
the world does not end in Moscow :-)
Sincerely, Vadim.
IT> yes, don’t be ridiculous, there aren’t many strange fanatical adherents of the old rar
IT> left,
hmm, where was the mention of “fanaticalism”? and regarding new versions - right now
I’ll run to change the software everywhere. All this is idiocy. The new versions of PAR
are not so well packaged compared to the previous ones that you immediately need to change the software.
that's it, we're done with the topic. those who disagree are eliminated.
Sincerely, Vadim.
NA> In any case, even with those restrictions, the archive in the PAP is
NA> smaller in size than in the ZIP. Besides, what kind of restrictions are there? Well
NA> besides the fact that the archive is from 1.3 to 2.9,
you just can’t trust winrar programs, they know a couple more methods that
I don’t know ;) but winrar v2.5 seems to pack compatible.
NA> not multimedia compression
NA> and not multi-volume, I don’t know any more restrictions. Even SOLID
NA> is supported...
now SOLID can be used only if: a) the dictionary size is less than the
memory size; or b) the files have round lengths in sectors!!!
due to b) but you can unpack solid archives of TRD people - dump them on top of each other on one disk :)
but in v0.41 (the first version without errors in the unpacker) the
Scorpion mode does not work, so I did not upload it here, and in Inferno there will be v0.42, then
let's talk :)
about the speed: if you don’t count the cache (which is supported in unzip and not yet
supported in unrar) and swap (I believe that the comrades going to Fido have at least
256k! and then there will be no swap on files of a reasonable size), the current versions of unrar are 15% faster than the current versions of unzip. Here. I saw the source of unzip and
I know why :)
unrar clumsily supports unpacking from several disks and is simply disgusting
for unpacking across several disks. in unzip everything is ok.
unpackingtrdshnik on the same disk is not supported correctly by either one or the other
(it is required to place the archive close to the end of the disk).
Unrar also does not know how to test the crc of a file. (but crc is testing headers)
here is the situation for today.
2Tigrr: by the way, unzip can be accelerated to the level of unrar :)
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IK>> archive, disk1 and disk2, respectively :)
TK> You won’t throw it away. Such volumes are not for this echo.
TK> By the way, you need to read the rules. At least sometimes.
It’s a pity, of course, okay. pay grandma for the Internet and go to my site. alumbur face.
EP> Of the people I know, more than 95% use version 3.
EP> Even fidomail is already packaged with version 3 by more than half of those who have rar.
Of the non-fidosh people I know, 99% do not use archivers at all. It's easier for them to buy a bigger screw. For transfer - USB Flash or USB screw.
EP> He really cares. He wants to compress the data more and save
EP> space. And keep up with progress.
That’s not what progress is all about. What is “progress” anyway? Can you
give a precise definition?
Are you afraid of falling behind “progress”? Is this a super goal or just an obsessive
desire?
Friday March 07, 2003 20:27:26 Dima Bystrov -> Nikolaj Amosov:
[disk error]
NA>> not multimedia compression
NA>> and not multi-volume, I don’t know any more restrictions. Even SOLID
NA>> is supported...
DB> now SOLID can be used only if: a) the size
DB> of the dictionary is less than the size
DB> of memory; or b) the files have round lengths in sectors!!!
^^^
There should definitely be OR here?
DB> due to b) but you can unpack solid archives of TRD people -
DB> dump them on top of each other
DB> on one disk :)
What's the point? Is it possible to request a disk change?
[disk error]
[REAL ZX]
...Dima Bystrov ..> Nikolaj Amosov:
DB> 2Tigrr: by the way, unzip can be accelerated to the level of unrar :)
I know, the flag is in your hands :) there you could increase the speed by about 1.3 times,
if you want, plow up :)
...bye.Dima! ...tigrr//bw::ceg
... some music CD
KF>> does not change. But it takes longer to unpack,
DB> faq??? check! in my opinion, ZIP takes LONGER to unpack!
Okay. But where can I get unrar? And how can I find out which version is
the latest?
Now I’ll find the ancient version in the file dump, look and say that
unrar suxx.
If only there was a page on the Internet...
EP>>> 2.90 can unpack it). And almost everyone has 3.
I have 2.50
EP> Even fidomail is already packaged by more than half of those who have rar with version 3.
-//- PKZIP 1.02
2all: Is there UNRAR for spectrum?
Goodbye.
KD> -//- PKZIP 1.02
KD> 2all: Is there a UNRAR for cpectpyma?
of course
Sincerely, Vadim.
... ·· [ america -- mustdie! ] ·· [ Mm
KF> Okay. But where can I get unrar? And how can I find out
So periodically they are thrown into the network.
KF> which version is the latest?
I have 0.41.
KF> Now I’ll find the ancient version in the file dump, look and
KF> I’ll say that it’s unrar
KF> suxx.
KF> If only there was a page on the Internet...
Probably not everyone has it internet...
[REAL ZX]
Monday March 10, 2003 11:23:16 Konstantin Denisov -> Eugene Palenock:
IT> I know, the flag is in your hands :) there it was possible to increase the speed by about 1.3 times
IT> if you want, plow up :)
Igor, well, it’s not good to be so lazy :-/
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[ANSI] [8col] [ZXUNRAR]
IT>> increase the speed, if you want - plow it :)
DB> Igor, well, it’s not good to be so lazy :-/
well, now the main reason is not laziness at all, but total busyness, I don’t even know when I’ll get to the job, and whether I’ll get there... but almost a year ago it was... it was laziness :)