And again hayes...

Friday December 31 1999 00:55, Kirill Frolov ─── Evgeny Milun:

EM>>>> Or, get a block larger or smaller in size.
KF>>> It can’t. RTFM - there first comes the block length, the pilot tone for
KF>>> setting up the receiver.
EM>> Again, you are talking about the top level. Ah, function,
KF> What is the top level?
Yesterday I threw here a brief description of the seven-level model...

KF> So there is no absolute reference point, tell me where you are looking from.
From the one with which it is accepted.

EM>> In general, in telecommunications it is customary to consider the most worst
EM>> situations.
KF> Yeah - the complete absence of an information transmission channel.
Actually, there has always been a strong noise...

EM>> Listening, when the theory that I keep referring to was created,
EM>> there was no IBM PC at all. And any computer takes up a lot of space and
EM>> was a set of cabinets...
KF> Yes, yes... Do you know that there are protocols that do not operate with a byte
KF> stream (like a modem)?
What level?

KF> Transmission is carried out in indivisible blocks.
That is. very, very many octets are combined into one concept “byte” at once?
(By the way, do you know what an “octet” is?)

KF> Are you going to dissuade me?
I won’t! Why ?

KF> Yes inyour favorite MNP modems - I don’t remember which one is doing this.
Are you talking about synchronous transmission?

KF> Note, you think that your point of view is the only correct one,
KF> but this does not mean that this can actually be the case.
Well? This is already becoming funny...

KF> There is something called MILUNIYA, I wasn’t the first to say it, and it’s been a long time since.
A long time ago. Only since then many people have sent me a lot of advice/wishes about my S-Terminal. And you ? Personally, I haven't received one. Does the mail go so bad?

KF> And where, no matter what I say, confirms your arguments?
In any book.

KF> Yes, I believe, but it doesn’t change anything. And what non-Spectrum
KF> programs? List please...
Do you know them? Wow! How enlightened you are!
So, programs that, according to all the rules of secrecy and copyright
should have been distributed only within our company:
1) S-Talk.
2) Wizcon Control Interface
3) WIZANN.
4) ILS Utility
So you've already seen them? And how do you like them?

KF>>> block lengths, there it is specially checked. And only by
KF>>> block length does X-MODEM differ with a block length of 128 or 256 bytes.
EM>> Yes?! Well, then everything is running.... Firstly, the XModem protocol does not
EM>> have a standard of 256-byte blocks. Or 128(XModem), or 128 and 1024
EM>> (Xmodem-1K). In any case, before the block there is a header that uniquely
EM>> determines how many bytes the block is... Maybe, after all, you are talking about something
EM>> something else?
KF> Well, you see, as I wrote, a complete reluctance to present anything
KF> different from your knowledge.
“My knowledge”? Are you so distrustful of the official documents on the XModem protocol? Or do you just want to argue?

EM>> P.S. No, well, let's change it up, shall we? :)
KF> Do you want to avoid seeming incompetent? ;-)
I don’t want to completely trample you into shit...

KF> In general, if you look at the first letter, I tried to prove that
KF> not everywhere where information is transmitted there is a ,
This is true everywhere! I repeat once again, if you are trying to _prove_, then
you are either ignorant or a person worthy of a Nobel Prize...

Good luck! Evgeny. (Aka 2:5057/18.73)

■ The night is shorter than the day... The day will kill me... The world of illusions burns down in it. (C) Aria.

EM> This is the case everywhere! I repeat once again, if you are trying
EM> _to prove_, then you are either ignorant, or a person worthy of a Nobel Prize...

Well, indeed, a certain amount of information can be represented
in the form of a certain number of bytes, bits... this is obvious. But there is no need to
erase the quoted lines! I wrote to you in Russian and in white that
BLOCKS CANNOT BE SEPARATED OR MIXED, that’s the whole point. There is actually _more_ information
than just the number of bits in all blocks.
So that I don’t write any more nonsense, let me remind you that there is something on the Internet called UDP
. Address, length, data, control code are transmitted. The fact that
it will be transformed
into other forms in the process of transmission across all 7 levels of your model does not matter, I wrote it myself, the interaction occurs only
at one level - ultimately you will receive this package.

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]