We need docks!
ZXNet echo conference «real.speccy»
Wouldn’t mind chatting about “We need documents!”?
Fir and fire... For the second month now I’ve been crawling on my knees like a lost cause in search of
docs for ZMODEM and EMSI. We need a human soaper! I've already started to stupidly pick up the mail in Melon. I WANT TO MAKE A NORMAL SOAPER FOR MYSELF!!! The wild ones are stewing alone in exhaustion, Melon, like a cretin, calls one boss and leaks all the boss's mail, even if it does not belong to him! And if your boss works from 2 o'clock at night, then you are doomed to sip coffee with a melon. STerminal is not a soaper at all. THE NETWORK SOFTWARE IS LOCKED AND NO ONE WILL SHARE THE DOC! It's a shame... I have a docket for ZMODEM
(thanks to Saruman/Delerium Tremens), but it's all in English, plus the protocol
is described somehow superficially... :( People! If there are the above-mentioned dockets in
_Russian_, don't be greedy, share! And then I'll share with you a NORMAL (better than Melon, for sure) soaper! I beg you! Don’t send me to the Internet and to the market... I’ve heard enough of such proposals for years to come. I DON’T HAVE THE INTERNET IN ANY KIND! Please, tell me! :(
Good luck All! We'll get away soon!
Sincerely, Priest from Energy Minds!
It happened on Thursday, December 9, 1999.
... Energy Minds from Freedom & X-Project.Sinclair generation.
09 Dec 99 23:31, Alex Shashkevich wrote to All:
AS> Fir-trees... For the second month now I have been crawling on my knees like a lost soul in
AS> searching for docks on ZMODEM and EMSI.
FTS-????.ZIP can’t be looked for in local file dumps?
AS> Needed human soaper! I've already decided to stupidly pick up
AS> mail in Melon.
Dickie+IS-DOS or the hated IBM-PC will save you.
AS> I WANT TO MAKE A NORMAL MYLER FOR MYSELF!!!
You can't do it. There’s no way in tr-dos.
AS> The wild ones are stewing alone in exhaustion, Melon, like a cretin calls the current
AS> to one boss
But for me, the 3rd call was easy...
AS> and leaks all the mail to the boss, even if it doesn’t belong to him!
:-)
So it’s easy to fix.
AS> And if your boss works with 2 o'clock in the morning, then you are doomed to sip coffee with melon
AS> Macro-Must-Die I ran melon several times a day and everything
worked!
Well, or you can even do it in BASIC.
AS> STerminal is not a soaper at all.
But CPS is big !!!
AS> dock for ZMODEM (thanks to Saruman/Delerium Tremens), but it is all in
AS> English, plus the protocol is described somehow superficially...
Hmm... Remember, documents in Russian are not documents !!!
AS> If there are the above-mentioned documents in _Russian_, don’t be greedy
AS> share!
It’s better to learn the enemy language.
AS> And then I’ll share with you a NORMAL (better than melon, for sure)
AS> soaper!
If you don’t share it, there won’t be one. Where are you going to receive the files?
You will still have to insert new disks by hand.
AS> VIDE! Please, soap it up! :'(
What should I write for you??? You don't know?
AS> PS: yay! Until you write a soaper for yourself, you won't get a normal one...
AS> they still won't let you do it yourself.... :(
Dawno, dozens of soapers have been written before you, you just need to change your computer. :-(
Kirill Frolov. [ZX]
KF> But CPS is great!!!
Thanks for that too. :) There will be no less in S-Mailer. :))
Good luck! Evgeny. (Aka 2:5057/18.73) ■ The night is shorter than the day... The day will kill me... The world of illusions burns down in it. (C) Aria.
Thursday December 09 1999 23:31, Alex Shashkevich ─── All:
AS> Fir-trees... For the second month now I have been crawling on my knees like a lost cause in search of
AS> dockets for ZMODEM and EMSI.
I say it again:
1) Almost on every BBS (and where Fido, as a rule, there is also a BBC).
there are ALL THE DESCRIPTIONS YOU NEED!!!
2) In Fido there are SPECIAL echoes dedicated to this. For example, I personally, before writing my programs, read the echoes of RU.MODEM and SU.FIDOTECH!!!
AS> I’m not a soap reader at all. THE NETWORK SOFTWARE IS STOCKED AND THERE IS NO ONE TO SHARE THE DOCS!
Because you are NOT asking for DOCS, you are, in fact, asking for SOURCES. Nobody will give them to you... Personally, at least...
AS> It's a shame...
AS> I have a dock for ZMODEM (thanks to Saruman/Delerium Tremens), but it's all
AS> in English, plus the protocol is described somehow superficially... :(
Didn't you think that I used it to make my S-Terminal ?
AS> looking for docks for ZMODEM and EMSI.
I have not seen any normal docks for zmodem. IMHO everyone does everything by trial and
error. :).
Wednesday December 15 1999 12:56, Alex Noman ─── Alex Shashkevich:
AS>> We need a human soaper!
AN> I think I was going to write...
And I’ll write... Do you think I’m going to back down?
EM> Thanks for that too. :) There will be no less in S-Mailer. :))
Even with a prehistoric 300 baud modem?
Kirill Frolov. [ZX]
EM> Who doesn’t give it to you? They grab you by the hand and don’t let you program?
Well, yes. The spies beat Gates, they crawl straight out of the monitor!
Kirill Frolov. [ZX]
yeah, but sometimes it doesn’t want to accept blocks :(
Good luck to you, Evgeny Milun !
Anton Kriwoshea aka $k1v/M7H (orp.'99.
EM> I say it again:
EM> 1) On almost every BBS (and where Fido is, there is usually a BBS).
ABSOLUTELY DISAGREE! the presence of a node does not imply the presence of a BBS station :( we, in Dnepr, have very few BBSs, and nodes - wow ;)))
EM> there are ALL THE DESCRIPTIONS YOU NEED!!!
EM> 2) In Fido there are SPECIAL echoes dedicated to this.
EM> For example, I personally do
EM> how to write your programs, read the echoes of RU.MODEM and
EM> SU.FIDOTECH!!!
yeah, can you tell me at the same time how to set up the s-term., how to rummage through the BBS? :(
EM> And I’ll write... Do you think I’m going to back down?
I just reminded you. ;)
EM> Good luck! Evgeny. (Aka 2:5057/18.73)
With respect, Alex Noman.
16 Dec 99 13:38, Anton Kriwoshea wrote to Evgeny Milun:
AK> yeah, can you tell me at the same time how to set up the s-term, how to fumble through the BBS
AK>?, it just gives out a bunch of “unnecessary” (for the user) characters
AK> (or whatever the beebs write in), and it’s creepy to watch :(
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In C or in assembler...
Good luck, Evgeny Milun !
Anton Kriwoshea aka $k1v/M7H (orp.'99.
Good luck! Evgeny. (Aka 2:5057/18.73) ■ The night is shorter than the day... The day will kill me... The world of illusions burns down in it. (C) Aria.
AK>> will it be cool?
KF> Cool - it just means that nothing will happen.
Where does this pessimism come from? :(
A person wants to write a program, but there is zero moral support :(
Or is everything based on those announced projects that were not released?
ps.: by the way, will someone tell me or not?, “Black Raven-2” has been released
???
Good luck to you, Kirill Frolov!
AK> Where does this pessimism come from? :(
AK> A man wants to write a program, but there is zero moral support :(
What kind of support does he need? Daily letters “Well, when will he be there?” "moral
support". And, here, transferring source codes to him, and sending him information that he himself can find if he looks - no. Forgive me for being so preachy...
AK> Or is everything based on those announced projects that have not been released?
Everything is based on the fact that the person _already_ about 2 months ago, who started
to write a soap, still:
1) Has little idea of both FTN technology and Hayes in general.
2) Completely ignores SPECIAL echoes, the main task of existence
which is to help with information people like him - writers
of his own ftn-software...
AK> yeah, can you tell me at the same time how to set up the s-term, so as not to fumble through the BBS?,
And it was originally intended only for this.
AK> it gives out a bunch of “unnecessary” (for the user) symbols (or whatever
AK> the bibs are written in), and it’s creepy to look at :(
Which version are you using? do you use it with or without ANSI terminal support?
December 19, 99, somewhere at 20:23
Anton Kriwoshea in his letter to Kirill Frolov wrote:
[...]
AK> p.s.: by the way, will someone tell me or not?, "Black Raven-2" has been released
AK> ???
Maybe we can ask Mednonogov? ;))
Come again...
Alexander
... [ZX] [ Russian Rock ]
AK>> here, in Dnepr, there are very few BBSs, and nodes - wow ;)))
EM> I said “as a rule”. Secondly. 90 percent of nodes
EM> have frek areas...
of course, but the files they have (i.e. in our city) are mostly
(for some reason?) all locked up in RAR, and to unpack... :(, and it’s easier to ask the bosses
unrar ;)
AK>> :(
EM> And what kind of support does he need? Daily letters “Well
EM> when will he be”?
no, of course...
EM> When he writes a program, it will be torn away with his hands. And he
EM> himself will be carried
EM> in his arms. But, only when he writes it. That’s it there is
EM> "moral
EM> support". And, here, transferring the source code to him, and sending
and, moreover, "good moral support" ;)
EM> information that he
EM> he himself can find if he looks - no. Forgive me for being so preachy...
nothing ;), but, you know, if a person asks for help, this does not mean that
you need to talk in advance about the complete failure of the project
after all, the following situation turns out:
- do you need help?!, so you don’t know anything ;))), well, that means the flag is in your hands,
and a kick in the ass, go sign up for the special. eh,
read the flames there, and then figure it out yourself...
somewhere in this spirit :(...
But a person is not trying for himself (well, for himself too ;) he is trying,
wants for everyone to have a good time, but here... :(
All this reminds me of the situation with the “stillborn”: MMA for all new
newspapers/magazines/etc. criticism Sooo it shows that after
reading you don’t want to do anything:(
EM> 1) Has little idea of both FTN technology and
EM> hays in general.
I have no idea at all ;)
EM> 2)Completely ignores SPECIAL echoes, the main task
EM> of existence
EM> of which is to help with information such
EM> as he is - writers
EM> of his own ftn-software...
okay, HE is wrong, but it is possible to help, IMHO, especially since you have already dealt with similar
issues (?), so at least give me some advice, like, get the information on the website......, otherwise go to the garden, i.e. in special echoes
:)
ps.: sorry if it turned out chaotic ;)
AK>> p.s.: by the way, will someone tell me or not?, “Black
AK>> Raven-2”
AK>> ???
AZ> Maybe we can ask Mednonogov? ;))
So I’m asking SOMEONE! ;)
Good luck to you, Alexander Zigar' !
AK> so I ask SOMEONE! ;)
NOT OUT. AND I DOUBT IT WILL WORK.
Kirill Frolov. [ZX]
22 Dec 99 08:42, Anton Kriwoshea wrote to Evgeny Milun:
AK> it turns out this situation: - do you need help?!, so you don’t
AK> know anything ;))), well, that means the flag is in your hands, and a kick in the ass, go
AK> sign up for the special. eh, read the flames there, and then
AK> figure it out yourself... somewhere along these lines :(...
Do you want ready-made dockets? It’s just that no one has written them yet, you can
get busy. It’s like programming for is-dos - some people know how to
do it, but they can’t explain, the dockets are all wrong, maybe someone can help only
disassembler.
AK> All this reminds me of the situation with the “stillborn”: MMA for all new
AK> newspapers/magazines/etc. The criticism is such that after reading and
AK> you don’t want to do anything :(
Where can I read this? And who is stillborn?
Although I’m with this bad MMA I partially agree...
Kirill Frolov [ZX]
AK>, of course, there are, but the files they have (i.e. in our city) are mostly
AK> (for some reason?) all locked up in RAR, but unpacking... :(, and asking the bosses -
AK> is easier to create unrar ;)
UNRAR on the spec is not realistic. You need a lot of brains, or even more.
And all sorts of FTSC are in zippers.
Kirill Frolov. [ZX]
AK>> A man wants to write a program, but there is zero moral support :(
EM> And what kind of support does he need? Daily letters “Well, when will he
EM> be there?” there is
EM> "moral support". And, here, handing over the source materials to him, and sending
EM> information that he himself can find if he looks - no. Sorry
EM> for being so preachy...
He, in your opinion, needs support more: here is a package for you, but I won’t give it to you
because you don’t have documents. And he doesn’t have an uncle from
the shoe polish factory:(
It’s much more useful to walk around all the echoes with a ruler and proudly show
the length of your penis, shake your diplomas and do nothing,
but get involved in all the conversations, correct everyone, find fault with inaccuracies
of speech. Delusions of grandeur. Just don’t need a medical one. quote the encyclopedia. :)
And in general, this is the psychology of people - to blame themselves last...
Give him these documents/sorts - it won’t do anything anyway, but at least he won’t stand up - they say, the case was ruined... And even if I’m wrong, I agree to even suffer a little :)
By the way, it inspired me - Antiofftopic: someday in Lara. will there be a tweet?
Renat.
[LaYaA From one extreme to another, why? Just help, advice, wishes finally! AK> new newspapers/magazines/etc. Criticism is so obvious that after For example? You forgot about _everything_. ;) Usually only all sorts of “saviors of the Spectrum” and those “who previously distinguished themselves” with failures or empty promises are remembered. :) AK> Anton Kriwoshea aka $k1v/M7H (orp.'99. With respect, Alex Noman. KF> Where can I read this? And who is stillborn? Start sending articles to bade. ;) KF> Kirill Frolov. With respect, Alex Noman. AZ>>> Maybe we can ask Mednonogov? ;)) Thursday December 23 1999 02:01, Kirill Frolov wrote Anton Kriwoshea: KF> UNRAR on spec is not realistic. You need a lot of brains, or even more. It’s real on the scorpion. EM>>> I said “as a rule.” Secondly. 90 percent of nodes KF> Do you want ready-made docks? It’s just that no one has written them yet KF> people know how to do it AN> Hachinay send articles in trouble. ;) What the BAD ? IN THE BAD MESSAGE AREA ? Hе d, there no one to read, kpome me Kirill Frolov. [ZX] KF>> more. And on a Pentagon 512 or a sprinter? Why immediately on the scorpion? Kirill Frolov. [ZX] 24 Dec 99 14:16, Alexander Zigar' wrote to Kirill Frolov: KF>> UNRAR on spec is not realistic. You need a lot of brains, or even more. You need brains. AN> It’s real on a scorpion. It’s possible even on 48Kb, there will only be swap on the screw. S!ncerely Yours, AK> IMHO, I have the latest version that flew here... Wednesday December 22 1999 08:42, Anton Kriwoshea ─── Evgeny Milun: EM>> he can find it himself, if he looks, no. I'm sorry that it's so preachy... AK> because it turns out like this AK> and here... :( All this reminds me of the situation with the “stillborns”: MMA on AK> I’ve already dealt with similar questions (?), so at least give me some advice like, Thursday December 23 1999 18:28, Renat Mamedov ─── Evgeny Milun: RM> It is much more useful to walk through all the echoes with a ruler and show with RM> Give him these documents/sorts - he still won’t do anything, but at least he’ll stand up in a pose of not AN> Thanks for watching... [*] - Unfortunately, I'm not sure what to do Up to the view. P.S. Moreover, а? ... tim_...@mail.ru 500:622/1@zxnet http://timkelly.da.ru Good luck! Evgeny. (Aka 2:5057/18.73) ■ The night is shorter than the day... The day will kill me... The world of illusions burns down in it. (C) Aria. Saturday December 25 1999 01:00, Kirill Frolov wrote to Alex Noman: KF> What BEDE? IN BAD MESSAGE AREA ? I won’t, there’s no one to read there borned by MeMeA. Saturday December 25 1999 01:02, Kirill Frolov wrote to Alex Noman: AN>> It’s real on a scorpion. Even on the scorpion - I meant. ;) RT> And offhand, I know he didn’t need them - he has his own head on his shoulders EM>> and sending information that he himself can find, EM>> if you look for it So this is where we had to start. first, I should have asked: “people, With best wishes, Max Shashkin. You can also write to zxsh...@mail.ru Kirill Frolov and Alex Noman were arguing about the topic We need docks!, and so I couldn’t resist and KF>>> UNRAR on spec is not realistic. You need a lot of brains, or even Alex Noman once wrote Kirill Frolov: KF>> UNRAR on spec is not realistic. You need a lot of brains, or even more. AN> It’s real on Scorpio. And let me find out how Scorpio is so different from .... let’s say KAY, what WBR, Sergey [ZX] [For a relationship without marriage] KF>>> And all sorts of FTSC are in zips. RM>> proudly the length of your penis, shaking your diplomas and at the same time Yes, it’s all about the same thing! Use the pronoun “I” less. The man asked Then such a request is not without its escape - all the documents (translated - from my own KF>>> more. I’ll allow it. The meaning of this phrase comes down to the fact that _even_ on a scorpion it is real. SO> WBR, Sergey [ZX] [For a relationship without marriage] With respect, Alex Noman. RM> a) I didn’t write him any letters about the parcel with shoe polish - you answered him yourself. RM> b) I understand absolutely nothing about ftn, as well as in many other things. RM> c) If a person writes that it is necessary - it means it is necessary. :) RM> (imho - you are _JUST_ afraid of competition - he will write a soaper, RM> and no one will need your tortured terminal, no matter how cool RM> We bend down... we need to help each other as much as possible... otherwise after RM>> after a while there will be no one to throw fingers at... Isai somehow clearly explained everything to me. It all comes down to the glitches of the hardware :( But it is necessary to develop talents. What if he - LOMONOSOV - suffers from a lack EM> here they asked me to solve a problem in physics: /skip EM> friend? And by the way, I have a few more problems lying around. Can you help? No problem - in the soap.Just as a “friend-spectrumist” I’m ready to help. RM>> soaper, 2(Co)Mod: Sorry and don't take this for unauthorized moderation or raising a flame - I'm just trying to stop this useless bazaar. Once again Well, that's all, Evgeny! Don't lose sight... 22 Dec 99 17:23, Alex Shashkevich wrote to Evgeny Milun: AS>>>> I WANT TO MAKE A NORMAL SOILER FOR MYSELF!!! AS> In trdos? Why not? True, there are a couple of limitations and inconvenience in carrying In the size of this very disk. Kirill Frolov. [ZX] 22 Dec 99 17:41, Alex Shashkevich wrote to Evgeny Milun: AS> Well, yes. And it will be current for the Kondratiev scheme. Yes? If so, then I It’s easier to pick up a soldering iron. Kirill Frolov. [ZX] 24 Dec 99 01:12, Alex Shashkevich wrote to Anton Kriwoshea: AS> Here the copper heels said that he has some troubles and he is postponing Well, if every spektrumist, even if he is no longer a spektrumist 24 Dec 99 01:13, Alex Shashkevich wrote to Evgeny Milun: AS> I didn’t take it... But I wanted to... Now the desire is completely absent... It always turns out this way, the point is not that I’m happy, but that it AS> that I go to the feed on spec, I’m now thinking about taking a PC for this. Heh heh... Don’t sit on the stump... AS> regarding haes, I still can’t find normal literature. And you won’t find it, according to feed technologies in paper form this simply isn’t available. AS> Books are sold everywhere on all sorts of visual basics, Java, C, etc. in Because a simple user who doesn’t know why modems are needed at all AS> And I’m even more amazed, in the market for books on programming, that every And there won’t be. It also seems strange to me that it’s difficult to find human AS> I already know enough about FTN technology... And in general, loss I don’t believe in that either. You will for the rest of your life. AS> Wow! Little did I know that I was ignoring them! Probably tens of kilos Yeah.. These are just the noises of your automatic telephone exchange. And there are no modem Kirill Frolov. [ZX] KF>> Brains are needed. Where did you see one meter of brains on the Spectrum? Usually it was 48kb and 128kb. 22 Dec 99 17:36, Alex Shashkevich wrote to Kirill Frolov: AS> Kirill... E-may! What are you doing in this echo? Why are you lowering the spec? How long can you lower it? There is nowhere to go. EM>>> Who doesn’t give it to you? They grab your hand and don't let While the spec is the same as the PC - a "mailbox", there is no other use for it Kirill Frolov. [ZX] Wednesday December 22 1999 17:04, Alex Shashkevich ─── Evgeny Milun: AS> And I already have them... Yes, they sent me a couple of AS> Thank you for bothering.... And sorry for bothering you with such EM>> 2) In Fido there are SPECIAL echoes dedicated to this. AS> That's right, on the Internet... AS>>> Tremens), but it’s all in English plus the protocol Naturally. :) AS> If so, then I still have to make a soaper for MYSELF! But you are in vain! AS> networks, as well as the administration of global ones... Well, why the hell do I need this? AS> Right now, not a single book goes down to the physical level of description, and AS> And because. Nowadays everyone just sticks to all sorts of visuals (in which all AS> what descriptions of zmodems and hacks might there be??? AS> Wow! Little did I know that I was ignoring them! Probably tens of kilos coming One day on Wednesday, December 22, 1999 at 5:41:08 p.m., while wiping the hot modem with a wet AS> Well, yes. And it will be current for the Kondratiev scheme. Yes? If so, then I still this is the best scheme, just make the decoding more complete. S!ncerely Yours, One day on Monday January 3, 2000 at 05:35:00 I saw a brawl AS> I can find normal literature. Books are sold everywhere on all sorts of visual One of 2 things: Although in fact, a professional, of course, should know both hardware and AS> even It’s all pissing stupidity, don’t pay attention. Let the pisish lamer who studied S!ncerely Yours, AS> OS level... And rightly so (in relation to PC). Almost all offtopic software is written in C or Pascal with ready-made libraries for working with hard. Why should a The subject is gone. Description of the UART and source code (with comments) of the terminal under p.s. A *great* soap opera was written for iS-DOS! Why reinvent the bicycle?! You need to put effort into writing a MAIL EDITOR for iS-DOS! Yes, you wrote here that “...iS-DOS cannot be digested...” or something like that. And Sincerely, Felix. [I ZX] ND> reveal? :) Silently. Have you heard about virtual memory (screw, for example)? About the environment variable IMHO: UNRAR for Speck can be written, but it will slow down *very* 2Mod: Well, I guess I’ll go? I already wrote that copper heels announced the suspension of the project until the end of Good luck Anton! Let's get away again! -@- E-Mail: prie...@usa.com -@- E-Mail: prie...@usa.com RM> And in general, this is the psychology of people - blaming yourself for It hit another person’s head that I’m asking for sorce... Well, well... And I never pose in a pose. And I didn’t promise anything to anyone, I wrote FOR MYSELF I WANT TO WRITE!!!!! RM> By the way, this was inspired by - Anti-offtopic: will a tweet ever appear in Lara Spectrumists probably don’t know what it is because This is not the case in Lara. Can you explain what this is and why it will make our lives easier with a tweet? And maybe toda Good luck Renat! We'll get away again! 29 Dec 99 18:45, Nicolas Davidov sent Kirill Frolov: ND> A long time ago Sat 25 Dec 1999, Kirill Frolov and Alexander Zigar were thinking KF>>>> UNRAR on spec is not realistic. You need a lot of brains, or even more. RM> Please. Get off your pussy and load up Melon. RM> I am sure that you will discover many things in this life for the first time :) RM> help. Sorry, I'm not good at physics. and then, will this affect -@- E-Mail: prie...@usa.com AK>> that we need to talk in advance about the complete failure of the project Uh-huh... Do you think I would have written?... AK>> situation: - do you need help?!, so you don’t know anything No. Throw soap at what kind of books these are. What are the names, who is the author, who published it, etc. AK>> I’ve already figured out such questions (?), so at least give me some advice No... Until I sent the question a second time, I didn’t see anything... This echo Shoto Mazdano PS: do you think it was nice when you throw a question, and in response there is silence, and when you throw it 04 Jan 00 15:04, Evgeny Milun wrote to Alex Shashkevich: EM> (In general, forget about Shepelev’s scheme... Well, it doesn’t And forget about Hayes. Enemy modem. Well, it Why did adapters (aka Vicomm) fail? Kirill Frolov. [ZX] EM> I have already advised you one special book dedicated to this. And now you can advise me too. Kirill Frolov. [ZX] AS>> he is putting off writing Part 2 until the end of February! :( Good luck, Kirill Frolov! ND>> Hmm... How then does a PC i286 with one megaphone manage to open RAR KF> Usually it was 48kb and 128kb. 06 Jan 00 07:08, Anton Kriwoshea wrote to Kirill Frolov: AK> ha!, then I have 4're 128' Spectrum in one grid =;) And this is interesting, tell us what kind of grid it is and how it functions ? Kirill Frolov. [ZX] AS> So I think - zip is real, then why not rar? It would be better not unrar, but pkzip, someone wrote for the Spectrum. Kirill Frolov. [ZX] 04 Jan 00 23:11, Azamat Kalimullin wrote to Nicolas Davidov: AK> Tell me then, how does RAR work? Maybe I'll try to write You won't write it. Kirill Frolov. [ZX] KF> You can’t write. WBR Azamat AS> but I still have to make a soaper for MYSELF! Long life and prosperity to you, Alex! With best wishes, Musa Khaybullin. WHAT :) ··· With the best. ···
Nobody asks for anything else. :)
EM> When he writes a program, they will tear it away with their hands. And he himself will be carried in his arms. But, only when he
EM> writes it. This is “moral support”.
I completely disagree. You're talking about something completely different.
EM> And, here, handing over the source code to him,
And offhand, I know he didn't need them - he has his own head on his shoulders
:) And quite rummaging 8-)
EM> and sending information that he himself can find,
But in this echo he couldn't find it :((((
EM> if he looks
Tried :)
EM> - no. Sorry for being so preachy...
Never mind, dad - it will pass! :)))))
EM> It’s all based on the fact that a person _already_ about 2 months
EM> started writing a soap opera,
No need! As far as I remember, he said that he was just getting ready, and not that he had already
started writing it.
EM> still:
AK> you don’t even want to do anything :(
KF> Although I partially agree with this bad MMA...
AK>> so I’m asking SOMEONE! ;)
EM>>> have freck areas...
AK>> of course, but the files they have (i.e. in our city) are mostly
AK>> (for some reason?) all locked in RAR, and to unpack... :(, and asking the bosses -
AK>> is easier to mess up unrar ;)
KF>, you can
KF> get busy. It's like programming for is-dos - some
well, thank you :), I, personally, have very little understanding of these matters,
so the docks will be wow ;)))))
KF>, but they can’t explain, the docks are all wrong,
and they, the people, tried to explain? ;)
KF> only
KF> disassembler can help.
disassembly of what? Melon, Wild? or take it, so what?
no!, he asks for nothing, to contribute, and not to discuss/condemn :(
!
AN> On a scorpion really.
AZ> Hmm, why is it so unrealistic?
Additional memory on the screw, that’s what I meant.
Leonid Mishankov.
Then, check:
1) what type of terminal is in your settings on the bbs (only ANSI and TTY are supported)
2) make sure that the connection is made with error correction.
If both points are correct, then please turn on the log and send me the information you received - I’ll look into it, because... I have
never encountered such a situation before.
AK> that's okay ;), but, you know, if a person asks for help, that doesn't mean
AK> that you need to talk in advance about the complete failure of the project
Nobody talks about this. But, correct me if I'm wrong, but at the beginning of October I wrote down where, how and what information can be obtained on all
these issues. My letters just didn't arrive? Then I apologize...
AK> situation: - do you need help?!, so you don’t know anything ;))),
I know! I know in which books this is described and in which fiction conferences
this is discussed. I have already written about all this. Do I need to do something
more? Scan the books and forward the echoes with soap?
AK> all the new newspapers/magazines/etc. Criticism shows that after reading and
AK> you don’t want to do anything :(
Let’s not talk about Max... For the last year and a half he and I I don’t
like...
Like, I already said all this at the beginning of October.
I’ll repeat the question again - did my letters not arrive?
RM> the length of your penis with pride, shake your diplomas and do nothing
RM>,
What are you talking about???!!! Do you seriously think that I, back in October in ZX.SPECTRUM
having told him where to read about what and how, will now send him the source codes of my
S-Terminal?!
RM> - they say, they ruined the business...
Come on! Well, what are you doing?! In every city (where there is Fido and just BBS) on
almost every BBS there are those docks that he needs. Why don't you, then, download them, and send him something that he can download on his own in a maximum of an hour?
What, they're hacks?
RM> And let me be wrong. I agree to even suffer a little. :)
You are both confused and mistaken!
[I ZX] [Team Luke-rulez] [Team Guardians] [Team Kelly]
Tim Kelly
KF> except me!
KF> And on a Pentagon 512 or a sprinter? Why immediately on the scorpion?
RT> he has :) And quite a rummaging one 8-)
What is he asking for then? Docks that he can find on his own in an hour or two?
Let us know that this information is not classified! On the contrary, they strive to spread it as much as possible! That is why it is in any city (especially in such a large one as Odessa) where there is at least one BBS or feed node!
What does it need?! Why write the fourth or fifth letter since October?!
Why, for example, not ask your own boss about the availability of appropriate documents?
Other bosses of your own network? Oh, just don’t tell me6 that he asked all this
and he doesn’t have it. Because I’ve been Fido for a long time - I won’t believe it.
RT> But in this echo he couldn’t find it :((((
IN THIS ???!!! Sorry, guy, haven’t you forgotten that _THIS_ echo is not dedicated to
searching for docs using ftn technologies ? Would you like me to tell you the names of those echoes that are dedicated to them, and where they will answer _HA_ _ANY_, even semi-lamerical questions
on this topic?
RT> I tried :)
It’s amazing... Everyone gets help with such echoes, but not him. there is
even a special echo about ftn on non-pts. And there are enough of them for everyone... A paradox, isn't it?
what kind of software should I write, otherwise I have the desire, but no ideas?”
I say
KF>>> more.
is it really UNRAR to do on it, but not on the same KAY?
[FIDO: 2:451/13.49] [email: gri...@mail.ru]
Anton Kriwoshea aka $k1v/M7H (orp.'99.
AZ>> Is zip real?
EM> Actually, yes. Moreover, some from their bosses receive
EM> mail in a zip archive...
hmm ;), I always (and not only me) receive it in zip files...
I remember once, at first I received mail via zxnet in a Spectrum zip
;), that was a while ;)
RM>> doing nothing,
EM> What are you talking about???!!! Do you seriously think that I, back in October in
EM> ZX.SPECTRUM, having described to him where and how to read about it, will now
EM> send the source codes of my S-Terminal?!
for help - if you don’t want to help - no one pulled you by the tongue (by the fingers).
It’s time to get used to the idea that the Earth will not stop if you suddenly die.
experience) are so difficult to perceive that it is very difficult to understand them.
It is much more pleasant if an older comrade explains everything to you (if you consider yourself to be one).
AN>> On Scorpio it’s real.
SO> Let me find out how Scorpio is so different from ....
SO> let’s say KAYya that it’s really UNRAR to do on it, but not on the same KAYе
SO>?
And everything that is bigger and better is bigger and better. :)
He answered. Back in October. If you look at the calendar, you will (perhaps with surprise) discover that now is the last day of December. Total - almost
three months. “Uncle, I’m not slow, but I’m just thinking so thoroughly?”
And if you understand something, and know that in the information that a person needs
chew at least in one place, you will still be sending him yuyuki and soap
all this?
Yeah. And you go there - “And you don’t write yourself, so at least let others write.”
Do you want one such fad? OK. I have now started soaping myself. So,
for a week now I have been thinking about the mechanism of events, the general organization of the program, etc. According to my observations, even when I start coding all this,
I will need information about the format of the EMSI session very soon...
What do you mean by "competition"? That another
soaper will appear ? No, because I’ll do my own anyway. And if by this you mean the same as me, then do you think I’m an idiot? Why would I give away the sources of a not yet closed project and sketches?just opened, only so that a person, God forbid, would not ask his fidish boss - “Don’t
do you have the docks I need, which everyone has?”
RM> you are)
Oh, can you explain one question to me - how can a terminal program compete with (and be replaced by) a mail program?
All my life I thought that they were not only different in structure, but they also had different purposes. Thank you in advance for enlightening me...
RM> for a while there will be no one to throw fingers at...
And we help. But, you must understand, I don’t have the ability or desire to send everyone bags with docks, which they themselves can find in half an hour. I can only tell you where and how to find these docks. And I already said this in October... Moreover,
a person needs to explain EVERYTHING FROM SCRATCH! If you don’t remember, let me remind you that they asked not only for emsiai dockets, but also for modem programming. Those. information
about the modem itself, about the UART, etc. It goes without saying that you can’t explain it with your fingers/
you can’t understand it, which means you also need source codes. Do you think I’m such a great
genius that I would type/scan the same Frolovs’ book? Do I have nothing more
to do?
Although... We’re giving up, you say? Help each other? OK. Here, I was asked to solve a problem in physics:
“Find the mass of air in a room measuring 8m*5m*4m at a temperature of 10 degrees
Celsius and a pressure of 780 mm Hg.”
Well, how about it, fellow spektrumist? You won't send me to the physics textbook and
to the SU.PHISIC echo, will you? We, spectrists, should help each other, right? And by the way, I still have a few more tasks to complete. Can you help?
EM> And we help. But, you understand - well, I don’t have the opportunity or desire
EM> to send everyone yuyuki with docks, which they themselves can
EM> find in half an hour. I can only tell you where and how to find these docks. And I already
EM> said this in October... Moreover, a person needs to explain EVERYTHING FROM SCRATCH! If
EM> you don’t remember, then let me remind you that they asked not only for emsiai dockets, but also
EM> for modem programming. Those. information about the modem itself, about the UART
EM>, etc. It goes without saying that you can’t explain/understand this with your fingers, which means
by the way, he sends greetings to everyone (I'm already sick of it :)
of education. A hypothetical village boy in bast shoes and with a keyboard in
knapsack? He has an N2 adjustable wrench (assembler) in his hands and a sea of desire.
if he has talent (after a while certain time) this Man is capable of
overturning our ideas about shaving (now, I’m already getting confused :(). I mean
about Fidosoft on spec.
It’s a pity, I’m not good at physics. and then, will this affect the state of the platform?
EM> What do you mean by “competition”? What
EM> there will be another soaper? No, because I’ll do my own anyway. And if by this you mean the same thing as I do, then do you think I’m an idiot? What would I give
EM> the source code of a project that has not yet been closed and the outlines of a just
EM> open one, just so that a person, God forbid,
EM> would not ask his fidosh boss - “Don’t you
EM> have the documents I need, which everyone has?”
Hushed up, please! Don't start a flame, gentlemen. Nobody needs anything anymore.
EM> Although... We're giving up, you say? Help each other?
EM> Ok. Here, I was asked to solve a problem in physics:
shaman. :)
sorry. :)
Sincerely, Midi
e-mail: [mid...@usa.com]^[mid...@mail.ru]
[REAL.ZX Team][Energy Minds team][Freedom team][X-Project team]
KF>>> You can’t do it. There’s no way in the tr-dos.
EM>> You’ll do it. Wait until I get my hands on it. :)
AS> disks, but what is the problem?
AS> will still have to make a soaper for MYSELF!
AS> writing ChV2 until the end of February! :(
but a bad writer, would buy a CV - the copper one would have been made a year ago.
Kirill Frolov. [ZX]
AS> (Kirill Frolov will probably be happy) And in general, if I was proud before,
could have been predicted in advance.
AS> A
It’s not in Russian either.
AS> which are described about modems at the Windows level... You take a book on
AS> networks, and there is one about creating local networks, as well as administering
AS> global ones... Well, why the hell do I need this? Right now, not a single book
AS> goes down to the physical level of description, but everything is at the OS level...
and has never heard of any networks other than the Internet doesn’t really need it.
AS> The 2nd student should in theory be a coder. And because right now everyone is just hanging out on
AS> all sorts of visuals (in which everyoneprogramming almost comes down to
AS> dragging and dropping windows) then what descriptions of zmodems and
AS> hacks could there be???
help for IBM-PC hardware in paper form, but apparently there are
good reasons for this.
AS> I doubt that I will use them...
AS> coming to me in these echoes are the glitches of my mamed... :)
connections at all...
ND> Hmm... How then does a PC i286 with one megaphone manage to open RAR? :)
Kirill Frolov. [ZX]
EM>>> program it?
KF>> Well, yes. The spies beat Gates, they're crawling straight out of the monitor!
AS> Don't be smart... Are you doing something on the spec or are you sitting and letting everyone go and
AS>?...
to find.
AS> Yes! I climbed all the psshniks! He shook the boss, he shocked someone else, that
AS> someone went on the Internet and got them for me, and then the boss threw them to me! AND THE PTSSSHNIKS DID THIS TO ME!!!
Come on???!!! Those. You are now dividing everyone into two categories: PTsshnik -
a second-class person; Is a specturist a super-human? I can recommend that you start dividing everyone differently. For example, “a person living with me in the same city, to whom I can go home for information/book that interests me.” You will immediately notice how much easier it will become for you to learn something
new...
AS> people from the docks (by the way, thanks for responding), but they did not have
AS> comprehensive information.
Sorry, but IT CAN’T BE IN THE DOCTS!
AS> trifle... :(
Yes, just a trifle.
EM>> For example, before writing my programs
EM>> I read echoes RU.MODEM and SU.FIDOTECH!!!
AS> Subscribed and I’m reading... I’ve been reading for a long time... Nevermind...
Well? Personally, the FAQs that are posted in them helped me a lot in my time. You and Ido we read differently?
And in your city you can’t find a single person who could get you
it out of the Internet? What do you have there - a city of ghosts, apparitions and
dead souls?
AS>>> is described somehow superficially... :(
EM>> Didn’t you think that I used it to make my
EM>> S-Terminal ?
AS> Cool... And how do I know which ones you use? did you make S-Terminal for the docks?
And from there, that others simply do not exist.
So that’s good. The people will still have the right to choose. :)
(In general, forget about Shepelev’s scheme... Well, it doesn’t fully
use the capabilities of Hayes. Not completely...)
There are companies that send books by mail. I just don’t know what their addresses
you have in Ukraine...
AS> everything is at the OS level...
Hmm. :) Are you talking about the Internet and Berkeley sockets and Win sockets? :)
AS> programming almost comes down to dragging windows)
I’ll tell you a secret (as I’ve been doing visual programming for three years): “drag a window” is bullshit, but not everyone can design a system correctly. And books in which they write about this are really difficult to find. And the primary task of a programmer is precisely designing, not trampling buttons.
I have already advised you one special book dedicated to this. It was published
in 1997...
AS> to me in these echoes are the glitches of my mamed... :)
Well, since you still couldn’t get any information out of there, then, probably.
:)
rag, I
noticed how Alex Shashkevich and Evgeny Milun were arguing about the topic We need docks!:
AS> will have to make a soaper for MYSELF!
Leonid Mishankov.
Kirill Frolov and Alex Shashkevich were beating each other
The reason was We needed docks!
I decided to comment on this event
AS> basics, Java, C, etc., which talk about modems at the Windows level...
AS> You take a book on networks, and one about creating local networks, as well as
AS> administering global ones... Well, why the hell do I need this? Right now, not a single
AS> book
AS> goes down to the physical level of description, but everything is at the OS level...
1) this is the modern level of programming and we are behind
2) information is simply hidden
programming tools.
AS> I I'm amazed at the market for books on programming that every second student according to
AS> the idea
AS> should be a coder. And because Right now everyone is just hanging out on all sorts of visuals
Java think that he is now the navel of the Earth, the reality is still very different.
Leonid Mishankov.
programmer bother himself with the
lowest level (communication with hardware via AFM)?
iS-DOS. If after this you say that there is something you don’t understand (software
communication with the modem, not a word about FTN yet), then... It’s not your destiny to write a soapbox.
why “digest” it? You have to WORK in it...
'TMP'? Here. Moreover, it is not necessary to i286, Offtopic RAR (DOS) for 8086
instructions is compiled.
Works wonderfully on XT with 640K, at least version 2.03.
a lot. The conclusion was made based on long-term use of it on XT-5MHz.
December 22, 1999 at 08:52:40: Anton Kriwoshea wrote to Alexander Zigar'
January 4, 2000 at 20:05:52: I replied to Anton Kriwoshea
AK>>> p.s.: by the way, will someone tell me or not?, “Black
AK>>> came out Raven-2" ???
AZ>> Maybe we can ask Mednonogov? ;))
AK> so I ask SOMEONE! ;)
February... And then he promised to continue...
Sincerely, Priest from Energy Minds!
... Energy Minds from Freedom & X-Project. Sinclair generation.
С уважением, Priest from Energy Minds!
... Energy Minds from Freedom & X-Project. Sinclair generation.
December 23, 1999 at 6:28:02 pm: Renat Mamedov wrote to Evgeny Milun
January 4, 2000 at 11:34:06 pm: I replied to Renat Mamedov
RM> is the last thing... Give him these documents/sorts - all
RM> is the same won't do anything, but at least he won't put up a pose -
RM> they say they ruined the matter... And let me be wrong. I agree to even
RM> suffer a little. :)
So I won’t have anyone to stand in front of...
RM>?
will appear...
ND> on the topic: We need docks!
So what? It’s a pity there are no documents on it right at hand. Otherwise I would give you a direct
quote from there - “terminal + soaper”.
Oh yes! The discovery that a terminal imitation program (do you know what a “terminal” is? It came from old computers - monitor + keyboard) and a mail program designed to receive the sending of specialized mail packages - may be one and the same thing, great opening! Even in Melon
these modes are organized by different modules...
RM> the state of the platform?
That's it, hushed up. :)
С уважением, Priest from Energy Minds!
... Energy Minds from Freedom & X-Project. Sinclair generation.
December 25, 1999 at 00:06:00: Evgeny Milun wrote to Anton Kriwoshea
January 5, 2000 at 01:26:45: I replied to Evgeny Milun
EM> No one is talking about this. But, correct me if I
EM> am wrong, but at the beginning of October I wrote down where and
EM> what information can be obtained on all these issues.
EM> My letters just didn’t arrive? Then I apologize...
AK>> ;))),
EM> I know! I know in which books this is described and in which fidish conferences it is discussed. I
EM> have already written about all this. Do I need to do something more?
EM> Scan books and forward with Ehi soap?
AK>> like,
EM> Like, I already said all this at the beginning of October.
EM> I repeat the question again - my letters didn’t arrive?
walks... Look at the date at the beginning of the letter...
a second time you get a lot of attacks?...
EM> fully use the capabilities of Hayes. Not completely...)
does not fully use the capabilities of telephone networks...
EM> It was published in 1997...
KF> Well, if every spektrumist, even if he is no longer a spektrumist, but a bad writer, would buy a CV - copper
KF> he would have made it a year ago.
I doubt it :(, he somehow promised it already on May 9 last year,
but it didn’t come out, and with work - fic soon something
will be completed :((((
Anton Kriwoshea aka $k1v/M7H (orp.'99.
ND>>? :)
KF> And where did you see one meter of brains on the Spectrum?
pro (this is if we take it from the “old” ones) ;)
ha!, then I have 4're 128' Spectrum in one grid =;)
There are undoubtedly more benefits - the Spectrum would finally appear
FULL-VALUED ARCHIVERS.
AK> an unpacker?
Then at least tell us the principle... What if something happens?
Why is it so difficult to remake the modem connection circuit from Shepelevskaya to
Kondratievskaya?
After all, the speed of work is higher ;)
KF> And this is interesting, tell us what kind of grid it is and how
KF> functions?
yes, maybe we’ll also fight, or we’ll come to you to play DOOM