News from Brest

News from Brest
(site www.rscg.boom.ru)

05/27/2001> As mentioned earlier, our group began
work on a new space strategy, working title -
Empire. There are no analogues on the ZX-Spectrum, the game is a cross between PC's Galaxy, Master of Orion, Imperium Gallactica 2.
Cyberex/RS has been developing the economic part for two months now, it is too early to talk about release dates. Surely many people are now skeptical about such statements and various demo versions of games and they are basically right, in recent years a large number of promising projects on ZX have been abandoned, but I can assure you that we took writing the game quite seriously and we have no habit of abandoning unfinished projects. We don't expect to make a ton of $, it's
impossible on the ZX, and yet the game will most likely be distributed on a commercial basis.

Work continues on Real Commander 2.0, a month ago a fully functional version was
released and sent out to
everyonecoders who wish to participate in the development of modules. At
at the moment, detailed documentation on the procedures and
system variables of RC has already been written; as an example, the source code of the PT3Play module is attached. To date, in addition to the above-mentioned PT3Play module, a driver for 800k disks has been written (Sergey Krinitsin) and the game Alcotris (Imperio/PHG). The full version
will be released as soon as the internal structure
of the system is finalized (a module written for one beta version may not
work on another, the EQU file needs to be replaced and
recompiled).

Imperio/PHG continues to work on the conversion of the game
Another World to Speccy, apparently its intentions are quite serious and
is not going to give up. There is a huge amount of work ahead, AW has a lot of
graphics and animation, in this regard, we are looking for artists who have experience
editing converted pictures and sprites, write to Fido:
2:454/7.120, Pavel Demchuk.

05/26/2001> The 11th issue of the Brest newspaper Impulse has been released entirely
dedicated to the Millennium that took place in Minsk Demoparty. While
is only available in HTML form, Delta promises to
release the Spectrum version within a month... The number turned out to be somewhat gloomy,
according to Delt's Spectrum in Brest has been dead for several years,
quote: “Everything that Realsoft does in the facePawel can be called
necrophilia, violence against a decomposed corpse." Maybe it is and
so, it’s hard to just abandon a computer into which you have put so much
work. Still, I won’t abandon it because it’s good (c)
Draconus.

* Crossposted in REAL.SPECCY

Bye!
Pa...@nm.ru rscg.boom.ru [RC 2.0 70%] [ZX] [Real Software]

Maybe more, depending on my mood :) Maybe I won’t do it on the Spectrum at all, but
I’ll just throw it in the echo and that’s it...

PK> The number turned out to be somewhat gloomy

Why rejoice at a funeral?

PK> According to Delt, Spectrum in Brest is already dead several years.

PK> quote: “Everything that Realsoft does in the person of Pawel can be called
PK> necrophilia, violence against a decomposed corpse.”

PK> Maybe it is so, it’s hard to just abandon the computer into which
PK> you put so much work.

I can draw a parallel... For example, your dog died. This means that you
should put it on the rug and look at it?

Even if you loved it before, you still have to bury it in the ground someday and
you will have to...

Estimate the volume of software released per year... Remember how 5
years ago, 10-20 new discs arrived every month. Now this number will probably not even be reached in a year.

How can Galaxy be mixed with something? :)
This is PBEM - and by the way, it is not focused on any platform,
even in principle, a computer is not required to play.
Will it be on ZX? PBEM? Is it possible?

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Tuesday May 29, 2001 at 03:10:35, Alex Welikanov -> Pawel Kislyak
subj: Re: News from Brest

AW> How can Galaxy be mixed with something? :)
AW> This is PBEM - and by the way, it is not focused on any
AW> platform, even in principle, a computer is not required for
AW> the game. Will this be on the ZX? PBEM? Is it possible?

What is "PBEM"?

Wiz da beSt wischez, Siril/4D.

IV> What is "PBEM"?
Play by e-mail - a game by correspondence. As a rule, everything is organized in the following way: there is a certain server/host (whoever wants, calls it that), which
once a day (let’s say) generates files-moves - files with data for each
player. Players take these files via mail (or direct connection), using them they make a move, as a result of which the game generates a file to be sent to the server. Before the server generates the next move, all players must
send their files with data about moves to the server.

Bye, Ilya!
Megus/Brainwave^X-Project. http://brainwave.dax.ru

play by email, a special case of pbm (play by mail)
Galaxy in its original form, of course you can’t play in Spec -
the reports are too big, from 5K to 5M (maybe more, but I
take the average batch).
That is, in principle, no one is stopping you from making a multiplayer
game on Spec like Galaxy - turn-based strategy, on every turn
players make their moves and transfer them to the server, which
calculates them and distributes reports for the next move.

Why am I interested in the PBEM aspect -
since the new game is announced as a cross between Galaxy and so on,
but from Galaxy (no matter how much I respect it :), except for pbem and the features accompanying
this principle, there is nothing to take.

PS And does anyone really need this on Specke?

RP> Play by e-mail - game by correspondence. As a rule,
RP> everything is organized in the following
RP> way: there is a certain server/host (whoever wants, calls it
RP> that way), which
RP> once a day (let’s say) generates move files - files with
RP> data for each
RP> player. Players take these files via mail (or direct
RP> connection, using
RP> they make a move, as a result of which the game
RP> generates a file for
RP> sending to the server. Before the next move is generated by the server
RP>, all players must
RP> send their files with data about moves to the server.

more precisely, after receiving moves from ALL players, a new file is generated :)

What’s wrong with making a game by correspondence?

[Times of Lore] For this I say goodbye, Yuri. /I \
[No RAR allowed] [SoHm] [Conceptual Minimalism] [AF] \ZX/

PK>> who put in
PK>> so much work.
OM> I can draw a parallel... For example, your dog died.
OM> This means that you have to put it on the rug and look
OM> at it?
OM> Even if you loved it before, you still have to bury it in the ground
OM> someday you will have to...

Well, you have comparisons... Why did you think that Spectrum dead?
The platform is alive as long as there are users. What, bury you alive? ;) And then
buy PC and play stupid games? Personally, this
doesn't bother me at all.

OM> Estimate the volume of software released per year...
OM> Remember how 5 years ago new things came every month on
OM> 10-20 disks. Now this number probably won’t even be accumulated in a year.

Hmm... Well, 5 years ago you wrote software too. And now you don’t want to make a newspaper;)

Good bye.

AW>> How can Galaxy be mixed with something? :)
AW>> This is PBEM - and by the way, it is not focused on any
AW>> platform, even in principle, a computer is not required for
AW>> the game. Will this be on the ZX? PBEM? Is it possible?

Bye!
Pa...@nm.ru rscg.boom.ru [RC 2.0 70%] [ZX] [Real Software]

AW> play by email, a special case of pbm (play by mail)
AW> Galaxy in its original form, of course you can’t play in Spec -
AW> reports are large, from 5K to 5M (maybe more, but I
AW> take the average batch).

The average report size is about 100k, at the end of the game they of course increase in
volume, but more I haven’t come across 500k.
In addition, the reports are sent packaged in ZIP, compressed 5-7 times,
since they consist of text information.

AW> That is, in principle, no one is stopping you from making a multiplayer
AW> game on Speck like Galaxy - a turn-based strategy, on each turn
AW> players make their moves and transfer them to the server, which
AW> calculates them and distributes reports for the next move.

AW> Why am I interested in the PBEM aspect -
AW> since the new game is announced as a cross between Galaxy and so on,
AW> but from Galaxy (no matter how much I respect it :), apart from pbem and the features accompanying
AW> there is nothing to take.

AW> PS And does anyone need this on Speccy?

Those who are familiar with Galaxy probably have the opportunity to play on a PC,
and Spectrum players have not yet come across this type of game.
I believe that the implementation of a client for Speccy is quite realistic, even if
the reports take up half a meter, but this does not mean that you need
to store it in memory in text form, the client is also available on a PCBefore
launch, it translates the report into a format convenient for itself.

YP> more precisely, after receiving moves from ALL players, a new file is generated :)
Not a fact. Some games generate moves regardless of whether all players have received moves. If you didn’t have time to send it, it means you missed a move.

YP> What’s so bad about making a game by correspondence?
Manually or using the method described above?

Bye, Yuri!
Megus/Brainwave^X-Project. http://brainwave.dax.ru

SK> Well, you have comparisons... What makes you think that Spectrum is dead?
SK> The platform is alive as long as there are users.

The fact of the matter is that there are none...

SK> What, bury it alive? ;)

Well, why... I suggest burying them, having a magnificent funeral, then 40 days, and
then commemorate them every year :)

SK> And then buy a PC and cut it into stupid games?

Why stupid? And why cut yourself? PC is a huge platform, there are a lot of places on it where you can apply your abilities...

SK> Personally, this doesn’t bother me at all.

We’ll all be there :)

Naive guy. Didn't the story with the technodrome teach you anything?

YP> more precisely, after receiving moves from ALL players, a new file is generated :)

Seven do not wait for one thing, the next report is generated on
set days and hours.

YP> and what’s so bad about making a game by correspondence?

Let’s see, maybe Cyberex/RS will agree to write a client
(especially since Empire is based on the principles of Galaxy),
write to Netmail everyone who is interested in the implementation
of the client Galaxy+ on Speccy and how much you are willing to pay for it.
Such projects are not done on the ball, despite the apparent simplicity
of the client, implementing it on the ASMA Z80 is not very easy.
When developing Empire we had to develop procedures
working with 48-bit fractional numbers, and how much
we spent with attack and defense formulas containing
decimal logarithms and cube roots, a nightmare...

* Crossposted in ZX.SPECTRUM

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OM> Estimate the volume of software released for the year... Remember how
OM> 5 years ago, 10-20 new disks arrived every month. Now this
OM> amount probably won’t even accumulate in a year.

In 2001, I only collected 40 floppy disks of fidosh collections, as well as
programs for the entire disk and much more. True, in these collections there are not only
new items, but still they are the overwhelming majority.

YP>> new file :)
RP> Not a fact. Some games generate moves regardless of whether all
RP> players have made moves. If I didn’t have time to send it, it means I missed a move.

and during this move... :) we managed to knock hard on...

YP> and during this move... :) they managed to knock hard on...
Well, he’s an evil cormorant himself (c) I don’t remember who :)))
It’s my own fault that I didn’t have time to make a move. A game is a game.

YP> after all, you can make the program look for its data in the .Ckt file
YP> and at the output again generate a .Pkt file...
You can. But who will take it?

OM> I can draw a parallel... For example, your dog died. This means that you
OM> should put it on the rug and look at it?
OM> Even if you loved it before, you still have to bury it in the ground someday and
OM> you will have to...

Yes, but after that you can get a dog of the same breed, and not look at the fact that
people already have new breeds of royal blood!

OM> Estimate the volume of software released per year... Remember how years
OM> 5
OM> ago new things came every month, 10-20 discs. Now this number
OM> probably won’t even be reached in a year.

So everyone is crying so much, screaming that all the assholes don’t want to do anything, but
what??? As far as I know, one Slip/Action from the city of Khobarovsk, despite the fact that he is the only spektrumist in the city, sits and produces games, and of good
quality, and he does everything himself, music, graphics, and code. With this he
proves that everyone is an asshole, they found a reason or an atmosphere and do nothing.

A similar story happened in our group when I was in the army...
Everyone shouted that no one wanted to do anything, everyone was kicking the auger, and he alone
worked hard.
As a result, our group split into a bunch of supposedly active ones.
But apart from projects in the Omega Hackers Group, no one did anything did not release, and as a result
all their groups, and they themselves died on the vine.

So everything that happens onSpectrum only those who look at the bad side of things are to blame. Like: the Spectrum is dying, there’s no software, I’ll go to PC!

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Friday 1 Jun 2001 11:26:53, Pawel Kislyak -> Yuri Potapov:

PK> Such projects are not done on the ball, despite the apparent simplicity of the
PK> client, it is not very easy to implement it on the Asma Z80.
PK> When developing Empire we had to develop procedures
PK> working with 48-bit fractional numbers, and how much
PK> they fussed with attack and defense formulas containing
PK> decimal logarithms and cube roots, a nightmare...

Stop - stop - stop, why does the client need to calculate all this, isn't it the server
that does the calculations? I thought that the client only formats the server's response, serves to view it (viewer) and several menus - selecting further actions... Well, after all
if everyone uses attack/defense formulas for themselves, then I will set my own defense and
attack to the maximum and will kill everyone, so what?

With respect, Dmitriy.

PK>> development.
OM> Naive guy. The story with the Technodrome didn’t teach you anything?

By the way, at the time when the Technodrome was made, it was still quite possible
to make money selling the game, if I had access to Fido and INet back then
I would never have entrusted the sale to Ivazhmotka. Now Spectrum is
one might say a hobby and everything that is being done on it now is done
on pure enthusiasm, that is why global projects have long ceased to appear, they are simply too lazy to write, it is much easier to rivet
some kind of logic toy or a simple arcade game.

Somehow Friday June 1, 2001 at 10:26:53, Pawel and Yuri were arguing about Galaxy?
(News from Brest)

PK> Seven don’t wait for one, the next report is generated according to
PK> set days and hours.

hmm... well, so be it :)

PK> Let's see, maybe Cyberex/RS will agree to write a client
PK> (especially since Empire is based on the principles of Galaxy),
PK> write to Netmail everyone who is interested in the implementation of
PK> Galaxy+ client on Speccy and how much you are willing to pay for it
PK>.

for SUCH of course...

and if copies are still registered :)

PK> Such projects are not done on the ball, despite all Despite the apparent
PK> simplicity of the
PK> client, implementing it on the ASMA Z80 is not at all easy.
PK> During the development of Empire we had to develop procedures
PK> working with 48-bit fractional numbers, and how much
PK> was spent with attack and defense formulas containing
PK> decimal logarithms and cube roots, a nightmare...

why are there such things? difficulties?

PK> By the way, at the time when Technodrome was made, it was still quite possible
PK> to make money by selling the game, if I had access to Fido and INet back then
PK> I would never have entrusted the sale to Ivazhmotka.

PK> Now Spectrum is
PK> you can say a hobby and everything that is done on it now is done
PK> on pure enthusiasm.

Shhh... OFFTOpic... Timur and his team will hear :)

Once, Grigory Klimenko wrote to Oleg Melinuk:

GK> As far as I know, there is one Slip/Action from the city of Khobarovsk
GK> despite the fact that he is the only spektrumist in the city, sits and produces
GK> games, and of good quality, and he does everything himself, both music, and

As for the quality, I would argue, but given his age and enthusiasm chela,
this cannot but rejoice. Look, in a year he will learn the language, learn to code and
something good will come out of it.

With respect, Quasar.

OM>>> Remember how 5 years ago 10-20
OM>>> new discs arrived every month. Now this number probably won’t even be gained in a year.

SK>> Oddly enough, it is gaining, I can just judge about it
SK>> since I regularly supply all new software to the seller
SK>> on our market for the sake of it.

OM> Seriously? Then list me a couple of serious projects released this year?
What does a serious and a frivolous project mean to you?
And if it’s not difficult, then list the names of the software released by you.

On this note. Bye, Oleg!

[CGE] [ARTVIEW] [THE KNIGHT'S ARENA] [IF GAME]
to be continued ...

NEWART/n-Discovery/SPb * Coder, gfx artist, AY music's fanat

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June 05, 2001, Oleg Melinuk wrote, hoping that the following
words would reach Pawel Kislyak:

PK>> Now Spectrum is a hobby and everything that is on it now
PK>> is done with pure enthusiasm.

OM> Shhh... OFFTOpic... Timur and his team will hear :)

I am Timofey. But I still hear everything wonderfully.

[I ZX] [Team Guardian] [Team Kelly]

Hasta la vista.
Tim Kelly

What I meant, I wrote,
I’ll empty my pockets and make sure.
(c) V. Vysotsky

... tim_...@mail.ru 500:622/1@zxnet http://kgs.dax.ru

One day Friday June 1, 2001 at 05:46:02, Oleg and Pawel were arguing on the topic News from
Brest

PK>> there will be a sufficient number of people willing to sponsor
PK>> development.

OM> Naive guy. The story with the technodrome didn't
OM> teach you anything?

Did you play Galaxy?

[El Capitan Trueno] Yurik aka Jerri / Alien Factory /I \
[No RAR allowed] [SoHm] [Conceptual Minimalism] \ZX/

>PK> Such projects are not done on a ball, for all the apparent
>PK> simplicity of the
>PK> client, it is not very easy to implement it on the ASMA Z80.
>PK> During the development of Empire we had to develop procedures
>PK> working with 48-bit fractional numbers, and how much
>PK> was tinkered with attack and defense formulas containing
>PK> decimals logarithms and cube roots, a nightmare...
>
> Stop - stop - stop, why does the client need to calculate all this, isn't it the server
>that does the calculations? I thought that the client only formats the server's response, serves to view it
>viewer and several menus - selecting further actions... Well, after all
>if everyone uses attack/defense formulas for themselves, then I will set up my own defense and
attack to the maximum and will kill everyone, so what?

OM>> this year?

SK> What does a serious and a frivolous project mean to you?
SK> And if it’s not difficult, then list the names of the software released
SK> by you.

Since the group is a hacker, I mainly worked on cracks... Magazines, games,
well, in general, everything that broke... I am not able to list all this stuff, because
the list is quite substantial, but I don’t remember everything. I wrote various anti-protectors and other bullshit. From the system I remember the volumetric one only
SAMPLE STUDIO. Only one version was released, subsequent versions were not released due to
the army.

What happened? Did you spill beer on the keyboard? :)

Oh damn, you quickly get used to good things... Well, I can’t work under an emulator
on a PC.

And in general, I have never boasted that I can do electronic publications well...

SK>> make
SK>> electronic publications ;)
OM> Oh damn, you quickly get used to good things... Well, I can’t
OM> work under the emulator on the PC.

Where are you going with your “Byte” of work? Did you really pass on capacitors? ;)

OM> And in general, I never boasted that I can do well
OM> electronic publications...

And I’m not saying that I did... Impulse was (and will be?) a cool
newspaper.

Good bye.

OM> Since the group is a hacker group, I mainly dealt with cracks...
OM> Magazines, games, well, in general, everything that broke... I am not able to list all this stuff
OM>, because... The list is quite substantial, but I
OM> I don’t even remember everything. I wrote various antiprotectors and other bullshit. From the system
OM> I remember the volumetric only SAMPLE STUDIO. Only one
OM> version was released, the following versions were not released due to the army.

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June 08, 2001, Oleg Melinuk wrote, hoping that the following
words would reach Tim Kelly:

OM> It’s strange, usually when you appear in the SUBJECT it suddenly appears
OM> [+]...

Now someone will suffer for discussing the moderation policy...

OM> What happened? Did you spill beer on the keyboard? :)

Are you starting to collect rewards in a new way? Maybe that's enough?..

Once Saturday June 9, 2001 at 23:31:23, Oleg and Yuri were arguing on the topic News from
Brest

OM>>> Naive guy. The story with the technodrome means nothing to you

OM>>>>> taught?
YP>>>> Have you played Galaxy?
OM>>> Galaxy has nothing to do with it at all...
YP>> so we’re talking about Galaxy in general :)

About the dead, either nothing, or only good?

YP>> mentioned that you can write a Galaxy client already
YP>> now...

OM> Either nothing about the dead, or only good things?

About the unborn, similarly: there’s nothing else to scold them for!!! ;)))

Oleg, don’t be bored! WbW, .....

Once Thursday July 5, 2001 at 00:07:25, Oleg and Yuri were arguing on the topic News from
Brest

YP>> mentioned
YP>> that it is possible