Glitchoks

ZXNet echo conference «real.speccy»

From Kirill Maksarov To All 31 March 1999

Greetings to you All!

I have a subzhik in Melon (I haven’t used anything else). In general,
after I upload a file (on the board, to the boss, etc.) and the modems are disconnected,
in the terminal (and on the board, when asked to describe the file), instead of Latin letters
Russian letters pop up, and the layout is not “yaverty” or “ytsuken”, but in general
some kind of left. And the layout is always the same. Only the "EXT MODE", "ENTER" and space keys work for their intended purpose. It is not
translated into Latin script.

Happy, All.


From Alexey Sergienko To All 1 April 1999

Hello Kirill!

31 Mar 99 07:15, Kirill Maksarov -> All:

KM> Greetings All!

KM> I have a subzhik in Melon (I haven’t used anything else). In
KM> in general, after I upload a file (on the board, to the boss, etc.) and the
KM> modems are disconnected, in the terminal (and on the board, when asked to describe the
KM> file), Russian letters pop up instead of Latin letters, and the layout is not
KM> “yaverty” and not “ytsuken”, but in general some kind of left. Moreover, the layout is always the same. Only the
KM> keys "EXT MODE", "ENTER" and spacebar work for their intended purpose. It doesn’t translate into the Latin font.
Rejoice, you’re not the only one who has such glitches, I have a similar problem with Melon.
I still haven’t figured out what the joke is. :(
Maybe someone has recovered from such a glitch?

Alexey

... Windows MD

From Eudgine Palenock To All 1 April 1999

Hello, Kirill!

31 Mar 99 07:15, Kirill Maksarov -> All:

KM> I have a subzhik in Melon (I haven’t used anything else). In

KM> "yaverty" and not "ytsyken", but in general some kind of leftie. Moreover, the layout is always the same. Only the
KM> keys "EXT MODE", "ENTER" and spacebar work for their intended purpose. It is not translated into Latin font.

There the keyboard driver crashes during z-modem upload.
Fixed only in 1.80p. I can soap it if I have 512 kb of RAM...

With respect, Evgeniy aka EVP.


From Andrey Isaev To All 1 April 1999

----€€€€               ² ًزة×إشةث, Kirill !¯               €€€€€---


ëءث-شد 31 Mar 99 × 07:15:31 ذزدةعدغإج ثدخئجةثش
Kirill Maksarov ة All سذدزةجة خء شإحص çجہقدثس
ٌ زإغةج ذزدؤدجضةشط ـشدش سذدز:

KM> ُ حإخر سءآضةث خءآجہؤءإشسر × يإجدخ'إ (خةقإح ؤزصاةح ر خإ ذدجطعد×ءجسر). ÷
KM> دآفإح,
KM> ذدسجإ شداد, ثءث ر عءثءقءہ ئءتج (خء آدزؤص, آدسسص ة ش.ؤ.) ة حدؤإحظ
KM> زءسسدإؤةخرشسر,
[...]
üشد آءا يإجدخء إسشط ذدئةثسإخءر ×إزسةر خد ثءثءر شدقخد خإ ذدحخہ.

---€€€              ² َ ص×ءضإخةإح, لخؤزإت ¯              €€€€--


From Eudgine Palenock To All 2 April 1999

KM>> some kind of left. Moreover, the layout is always the same. For their intended purpose, only the "EXT MODE", "ENTER" and space keys work.
KM>> The Latin font is not translated.

AS> problem. I still haven’t figured out what the joke is. :( Maybe someone has recovered
AS> from such a glitch?

When zmodem upload, the keyboard driver is installed there. There is version 1.80p, where this and
something else is fixed. If the (co)moderator allows it, I can upload it here...

From Alexey Sergienko To All 2 April 1999

KM>> keys "EXT MODE", "ENTER" and ppoble. Hа latin spift is not
KM>> singed.

EP> There dpaywep keys gpoke ppi z-modem upload.
EP> Fixed only in 1.80p. Can soak if 512 kb of RAM there is ...

If it is possible and me, on opijin plz. 512kb y us is available.
Zapanee big thanks!

Better throw it in ehy.

From Roman Milukov To All 2 April 1999

KM>> the modems will disconnect, in the terminal (and on the board, when asked to describe
KM>> the file), Russian letters pop up instead of Latin letters, and the layout is not
KM>> “yaverty” and not “ytsuken”, but in general some kind of left. Moreover, the layout is always the same. Only the
KM>> keys "EXT MODE", "ENTER" and spacebar work for their intended purpose. It is not translated into Latin font.

From Nikolay Maslennikov To All 3 April 1999

KM>> the modems will disconnect, in the terminal (and on the board, when asked to describe
KM>> the file), Russian letters pop up instead of Latin letters, and the layout is not
KM>> “yaverty” and not “ytsuken”, but in general some kind of left. Moreover, the layout is always the same. Only the
KM>> keys "EXT MODE", "ENTER" and spacebar work for their intended purpose. It is not translated into Latin font.
AS> Rejoice, you are not the only one who has such glitches, I have a similar problem with Melon.

From Kirill Maksarov To All 3 April 1999

Greetings Nikolay!

03 Apr 99 at 06:39:41, Nikolay Maslennikov wrote to Alexey Sergienko:

NM> I will cure you of this infection, use MEL1_80+ for 512k and no
NM> any such problems

And I don’t have 512 kilos yet :(((
And there is no Melon for 128th, but without this glitch? Maybe someone fixed it for themselves?


Good luck, Nikolay.


From Alexey Sergienko To All 3 April 1999

KM>>> used). In general, after I upload a file (on the board,
KM>>> to the boss, etc.) and the modems are disconnected, in the terminal (and on the board,
KM>>> when asked to describe the file), instead of Latin letters,
KM>>> Russians pop up, and the layout is not “yaverty” and not “ytsuken”, but in general
KM>>> some kind of left. And the layout is always the same. Only the "EXT MODE", "ENTER" and spacebar keys work for their intended purpose.
KM>>> It is not translated into the Latin font.

From Alexey Sergienko To All 4 April 1999

Hello Roman!

02 Apr 99 20:48, Roman Milukov -> Alexey Sergienko:
KM>>> the modems will disconnect, in the terminal (and on the board, when they ask
KM>>> to describe the file), Russian letters pop up instead of Latin letters, and
KM>>> the layout is not “yaverty” or “ytsuken”, but in general some kind left.
KM>>> And the layout is always the same. For their intended purpose
KM>>> only the “EXT MODE”, “ENTER” and spacebar keys work. On
KM>>> the Latin font is not translated.

From Alexey Sergienko To All 4 April 1999

AS>> If it’s possible for me, to the origin plz.

EP> You’re already 6, who needs...

You see, people need Melon (Melon 1.80+), but they’re not too lazy to throw it in :(
Throw in the hell Melon 1.80+ plz.

From Tim Kelly To All 5 April 1999

AS> Yes, I already know that!

AS> Guys, finally throw Melon 1.80+ in echo or soap.

Maybe in echo...


[Team Kelly]
Hasta la vista.
Tim Kelly

... E-Mail: t...@upra.donetsk.ua ICQ UIN: 34684028

From Kirill Frolov To All 5 April 1999

NM>> what kind of problems are there?

KM> But I don’t have 512 kilos yet:(((
KM> Isn’t there Melon for 128, but without this glitch? Maybe someone fixed it?

It will run for you, just don’t turn on 512x192 and logging.

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]


From Maxim Deputat To All 5 April 1999

KM> corrected?
I already wrote in zx.spectrum that I have been using melon1.80s on the 128th for about 2 months -
there have never been any “serious consequences”. Both the mailer and the terminal work. True, I didn’t
include the log, just in case =)
IMHO this log is written in 512.


.■▀ Wiz Best Wishez, Maxim Deputat AKA Noize/Ph7 ▀■.


From Nikolay Maslennikov To All 5 April 1999

Greetings, Alexey

Once on 03 Apr 99 at 18:26:16 there was a conflict
Alexey Sergienko and Nikolay Maslennikov were arguing on the topic Re^2: Glitch
I decided to argue too

AS> So! And you were silent all this time?!
AS> Give it here! To the origin in soap plz, and even better in echo.
Oh damn, am I the only one who has such a melon!?! If in echo the chest of drawers kills me:(
And in general, use the wild one and you won’t have such problems;), but there will be people like
I have FUCK!!!!, you will transmit at a steep speed and receive no higher than 9...10
bot:((((author’s it’s funny and this despite the fact that my modem has cts/rts
and
no fifo and in Melon everything is ok and they also tell me that the wild one is the coolest so if it
didn’t work only for me I would be silent and there are a lot of us like Straadals (2) and the author
of the program doesn’t give a damn about my problems “it works for me and you are yours” modem
throw away":(


From the bottom of my heart Ciao, Alexey.

From Roman Milukov To All 5 April 1999

AS> If it is possible for me, to the origin plz. We have 512kb.
AS> Big thanks in advance!

AS> It’s better to throw it in the echo.

You can’t put it in the echo. The author did not allow it. Break him down.

From Nikolay Maslennikov To All 6 April 1999

RM>> This is Melon's glitch. This has been fixed in version 1.80+.
AS> Yes, I already know this!
AS> Guys, finally throw Melon 1.80+ in hell or soap.

From Eudgine Palenock To All 6 April 1999

Hello, Alexey!

04 Apr 99 23:08, Alexey Sergienko -> Eudgine Palenock:

AS> You see, people need Melyn (Melon 1.80+), but not those who are lazy about it

I don’t have any rules for this echo...

From Musa Khaybullin To All 6 April 1999

Greetings, Eudgine

One Friday April 2, 1999 at 12:12:36 I saw a brawl
Alexey Sergienko and Eudgine Palenock were beating each other
The reason was Re: Glitch
I decided to comment on this event

KM>>> I have a subzhik observed in Melon (nothing I have not
KM>>> used any others). In

KM>>> “yaverty” and not “ytsyken”, but in general some kind of leftie. Moreover
KM>>> always

From Evgeny Milun To All 6 April 1999

Hey, don't mix me in here. :)) "Melun" is my S-Terminal, a new version of which I'm too lazy to finish. :)

Good luck! Evgeny.

■ The night is shorter than the day... The day will kill me... The world of illusions burns down in it. (C) Aria.


From Alexey Sergienko To All 7 April 1999

Hello Eudgine!

06 Apr 99 01:00, Eudgine Palenock -> Alexey Sergienko:

EP> 04 Apr 99 23:08, Alexey Sergienko -> Eudgine Palenock:

From Alexey Sergienko To All 7 April 1999

NM> Well, he really wants to, can I throw it in? What does comod think?
I don’t think that the moderator is undressed for everyone [!] for Melon.
NM> From the bottom of my heart Ciao, Roman.
^^^^^^^^^^^ from him from him.

It’s high time to pour it into soap.

Alexey

... Windows MD

From Alexey Sergienko To All 8 April 1999

EM> Hey, don't mix me in here. :)) "Melun" is my S-Terminal,
EM> a new version of which I'm too lazy to finish. :)

Is there some version of S-Terminal, at least a demo?
Throw soap plz.

From Tim Kelly To All 8 April 1999

EP> I have no rules for this echo...

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┌────────────────────────────── ───────────────────────────┐
│ RULES OF E H O CONFERENCE REAL.SPECCY │
│ last edition date 03/07/99 │
└──────────────────────────────── ─────────────────────────┘


This echo conference was created for communication on the topic of the
ZX-Spectrum platform, mainly for people who have access to
Fido using real Spectrum-compatible computers (although, in principle, anyone who will
follow these rules can participate in the correspondence).


1. It is prohibited to mention other platforms (you can mention
them if it is related to the features of the software being discussed and hard); It is also prohibited to compare platforms with each other, as well as to criticize them [*].

1.1 Discussion of emulators is unacceptable, this is an echo for the
_real_ Spectrum [+].


2. Skirmishes between different modifications of Spectrum-compatible computers are extremely undesirable (please respect
the creators and users of all types of our warmly beloved
Specchi) [*].


3. Excessive quoting is punished (more than 70%) [*],
try to leave those phrases to which, in your opinion, you
are giving an answer or comment.


4. A little advertising is allowed, forward from other ehinformation that is interesting, in your opinion.


5. Files placed in the echo conference must only be
in UUE encoding and meet the standards of one of the following
categories:

a) standard Spectrum file in Hobeta format (*.$*);
b) text file in 866 GOST (alternative) encoding (*.txt);
c) ROM firmware files in binary code (*.bin);
d) the above files, packed with Spectrum
ZIP (*.$z);
e) the above files, packed with PiSish ZIP
(*.ZIP).

All files placed in the echo conference must have a size of
no more than 65536 bytes.

Room files in UUE encoding, over 20 Kb in size,
_only_ with the permission of the Moderator or Commoderator! [+]
The size is determined by the source file.

When posting files over 20Kb, at the beginning of the letter it is _mandatory_
it must be indicated with whose permission the posting is being carried out.
Request permission only in netmail.

The UUE section should not exceed 100-120 lines!


6. Personal correspondence is prohibited! [*]


7. Communication with the Moderator/Comoderator only in netmail,
send all complaints here. Unauthorized moderation
is punished [+].


8. Of course, I also read and write to this conference, so
letters are considered official only on behalf of the Moderator
orCoModerator.


9. “Hacker” conversations (about hacking programs, disrespect of copyright, etc.) are strictly prohibited [+]. Advertising hacked products or posting them in the echo entails a lifelong ban [!].

9.1 Disseminating information about all kinds of cheats is showing disrespect for the conference subscribers, so I will
punish you mercilessly! [+].

9.2 Distribution of solutions is also not at all welcome! [+] If they ask for help in completing any game,
answer with netmail, because for others it may be completely
nothing!


10. As in ZX.SPECTRUM - the use of
nicknames in the From/To field is not allowed (let's not start a kindergarten,
the “cool hackers” are already making a dazzle in the eyes). The exception is
Moderator/CoModerator :) .


CoModerator has every right to distribute stars and pluses,
beware :) .

Re-election of the Moderator is a malicious offtopic. As long as I'm alive, you will keep order for me here! :)

Language of communication - Russian, Ukrainian, English. Try not to complicate the lives of others, write more clearly, if possible competently, correct the mistakes of others correctly and, if possible, by netmail.

Otherwise, well, everything is described in the echopolis, what is not forbidden is permitted.

The echo conference is available.to gating to all networks
FTN-standard, Gate sysops _must_ ensure the correct
content of the "From:","To:" fields in accordance with the standards
of the _FidoNet_ network.

Standard penalties:
[*] - warning;
[*] [*] [*] = [+] - transfer to ridonli for a month;
[+] [+] [+] = [!] - disconnect from echo forever! :( .

Amnesty is provided only on very major holidays ;).

Moderator of REAL.SPECCY - Tim Kelly (2:465/240)
CoModerator of REAL.SPECCY - Roman Milukov (2:4616/14.29)

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From Alexey Sergienko To All 9 April 1999

RM> Echo is not allowed. The author did not allow it. Break him down.

What, he breaks like a girl?

They threw him on ZX.Spectrum who needs Melon 1.80p?


Alexey

... Windows MD

From Roman Milukov To All 9 April 1999


Hello, Evgeny!

06 Apr 99 you wrote here:

EM> Hey, don’t mix me in here. :)) "Melun" is my S-Terminal, a new version of which I'm too lazy to finish. :)

Don't be lazy, work hard - finish it! Just be sure to use a soaper, even a simple
manual one, like in Melon.

From Kirill Frolov To All 11 April 1999

EM>> S-Terminal, a new version of which I’m too lazy to finish. :)

RM> Don't be lazy, work hard - finish it! Just be sure to use a soaper, at least
RM> a simple, manual one, like in Melon.

Why is it needed like that? I had to climb in the STS Melon so that
it would launch itself from the MMD and I didn’t have to press the buttons.

Kirill Frolov. [ZX]


From Oleg Pritula To All 11 April 1999

EM> version of which I’m too lazy to finish. :)

Eh... and I wanted to come to you with a beer and look at the new version... ;)

\\|// ╟─┤asta la vista !!!
o(@ @)o -=POWer/WDG/AF=-
-----ooO-(_)-Ooo----- E-Mail: w...@hello.to

From Maxim Deputat To All 11 April 1999

RM> soaper, even a simple one
RM> manual, like in Melon.
Why a simple one if there is already one in Melon?

From Alex Noman To All 12 April 1999

OP> Eh... and I wanted to come to you with a beer and look at the new version...
OP> ;)

Zhen, no one pulled his tongue. ;) Let him come _with_beer_. And you - so that you finish the version. :E~ :))

With respect, Alex Noman.

thank you. At what stage? Tell Allu... :)


From Evgeny Milun To All 12 April 1999

EM>> Hey, don't mix me in here. :)) "Melun" is my S-Terminal,
EM>> a new version of which I'm too lazy to finish. :)

AS> Is there some version of S-Terminal, at least a demo?
Version 0.1 is actually a demo. More precisely, a test prototype. :)

From Roman Milukov To All 13 April 1999

KF> Why is he needed like that? I had to climb in the STS melon so that
KF> it would launch itself from the MMD and I didn’t have to press the buttons.

And I just need a “manual” mailer!
I use the Wild in manual mode: I sit over it and press “C”.

From Evgeny Milun To All 14 April 1999

Hello Alex !

Monday April 12 1999 20:29, Alex Noman ─── Evgeny Milun:

EM>>> S-Terminal, a new
EM>>> version of which I’m too lazy to finish. :)

AN> PS. At what stage? Tell Allu... :)
Yes, everything is on the same page - find and fix one glitch with ZModem Upload, the one
that we stopped at back in December. True, Max aka
Shaitan/OHG says that he also found something in the download. Yes, test everything
thoroughly...

From Alexey Sergienko To All 15 April 1999

EM> Version 0.1 is actually a demo. More precisely, a test prototype.
EM> :)

Can you throw it in the echo or in the soap?
It’s very interesting to look at it!

From Roman Milukov To All 16 April 1999

RM>> a soaper, even a simple, manual one, like in Melon.
MD> Why a simple one if there is already one in Melon?

Which in Melon knows few protocols. Doesn't fit with some knots. It cannot work with a frame disk (this is about 1.80, but 1.79 can, but with some modems, for example, it hangs with mine). CPS can't show it. It can only be adjusted for
one boss.
A lot can be improved there, but the author announced that there will be no further improvement of Melon
under TR-DOS. :(