Disassembler of a certain Inozemtsev
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I want and that's all...
With respect, HIMIK'S ZxZ/PoS-WT.
03 Dec 02 22:44, Ilya Kudryavcev -> All:
IK> I want and that’s all...
And me please...
Nikolaj
03 Dec 02 22:44, Ilya Kudryavcev -> All:
IK> I want and that’s it...
Let’s change!
I’ll give you this:
file_id diz│ 27
zxtd_1_0 $b │ 13329
zxtd_1_0 txt│ 15349
And you give me CP/M <-> TR-DOS copiers. It is necessary that any of these systems can
read/write to the disks of another system.
ps\ It is simply a MUST. And some unnecessary comrades slow down excessively...
WBR, Jason.
/*e-mail: jason2000(scary dog)yandex.ru ICQ: 62235830*/
/np:/ *silence*
06 Dec 02 01:36, Valerij Kozhevnikoff -> Ilya Kudryavcev:
VK> And you tell me the copiers CP/M <-> TR-DOS. It is necessary that any of these systems
VK> can read/write to the disks of another system.
VK> ps\ It’s just a MUST. And some optional comrades slow down
VK> excessively...
Have you tried Honey Commander? (http://www.atmturbo.narod.ru/)
... there _it seems_ it is possible...
Boris
IK> Greetings, dear All !
IK>
IK> I want and that's all...
look at the appendix to ZX Power - the third or 4th issue, the description is like
in the magazine itself
Pokeova Ilya
jtn\\4d
Friday December 06 2002 01:36, Valerij Kozhevnikoff for some reason wrote to Ilya
Kudryavcev:
VK> And you tell me the copiers CP/M <-> TR-DOS. It is necessary that any of these systems
VK> can read/write to the disks of another system.
BK> Have you tried Honey Commander? (http://www.atmturbo.narod.ru/)
BK> ...there _like_ it's possible...
Uh-huh. Only the disk format is different, not compatible with anything. But I need the
Profin format to be understood, because it contains more software.
BK> Have you tried Honey Commander? (http://www.atmturbo.narod.ru/)
BK> ...it seems to be possible there...
There are different formats of CP/M disks. They differ in the size and number of sectors, extent size, number of service tracks, and even software sector interleaving (for MOA). Honey Commander works with drives from ATM-Turbo
(Turbo-2+).
VK> Yep. Only the disk format is different, not compatible with anything. And I
VK> need to understand the Finnish format, because it contains more software.
The software does not work with the disk format in any way, it works through BDOS, or in the worst
case through BIOS. The profinan format is inconvenient due to the 1Kb sector size and the difficulty of placing the bootloader - there are no backup tracks for it, and you have to place the bootloader in the CP/M file. I think the ATM format is the best - it is placed on top of the TR-DOS disk (like MOA), but does not confuse the sector numbers. You can use a CP/M disk on a screw via SMUC or on a ramdisk in
KAY or Pentagon (you just need to do reading/writing via 3d13). Everything is loaded not through a TR-DOS bug, but in the standard way - through "boot.B".
If you have your own version of the system (BIOS), make sure that the same
physical drive with different letters is perceived in different formats.
For example, ABCD - ATM, EFGH - Pro, IJKL - MOA, MNOP - the rest (maximum
16 discs).
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07 Dec 02 07:27, Kirill Frolov -> Valerij Kozhevnikoff:
KF> The software does not work with the disk format in any way, it works through BDOS, in
KF> in the worst case through BIOS. The pro-Finnish format is inconvenient due to the 1Kb size of the
KF> sector and the difficulty of placing the bootloader
I don’t know how it is on the physical level, but to work with the disk I will allow 128 bytes.
KF> - there are no
KF> backup tracks for it, and you have to place the bootloader in the CP/M
KF> file.
as far as I know, this was done specifically, to facilitate the creation of floppy disks with
different versions of SPM. What’s difficult is that to create a boot
floppy disk, after formatting, we simply write the first file bootk.com. Which
can contain any version of the system?
KF> I think the ATM format is the best - it is placed on top of the TR-DOS
KF> disk (like the MOA), but does not confuse the sector numbers. You can use
KF> CP/M disk on a screw via SMUC or on a ramdisk in KAY or Pentagon
KF> (you just need to do reading/writing via 3d13). Everything is loaded not
KF> through a TR-DOS bug, but in the regular way - through "boot.B".
Ais usser supported and the ability to write a file non-sequentially?
KF> If you
KF> have your own version of the system (BIOS), make sure that the same
KF> physical
KF> drive with different letters is perceived in different formats. For example
KF> ABCD -- ATM, EFGH -- Pro, IJKL -- MOA, MNOP -- the rest (maximum
KF> 16 disks).
Can you select any disk from the menu in file managers?
Sincerely, Alexey.
I'm very sorry, but can I be seen here?
pokedova All
jtn\\4d
08 Dec 02 21:24, Vassili Klimov wrote to All:
VK> I'm very sorry, but can I be seen here?
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08 Dec at 21:24, Vassili Klimov wrote(a) to All:
VK> I am very sorry, but me in sight here? Kelly] [ZX]
... np: silence
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[*] for ostpòymie and//fik>
Here once, on December 6, 2002, Valerij Kozhevnikoff and Ilya Kudryavcev VK> And you are the copiers for me CP/M <-> TR-DOS. It is necessary that any of these systems So there are three hundred different CP/M... Good luck! VS> So there are three hundred different CP/M... There are many physical disk formats, but not 300. WBR, Jason. VS>> So there are three hundred different CP/Ms... VK> There are many physical disk formats, but not 300. Once I needed to read a CP/M disk from one specific device, Sorry for being off-topic, I’m quitting. Good luck! 18 Dec 02 22:18, Vitalic Svetashov -> Valerij Kozhevnikoff: VS> Once I needed to read a CP/M disk from one specific You need to read the manuals. There are very few such utilities and one of them - 22Disk - WBR, Jason. VS>> a specific device, I found utilities, one knew 200+ formats, VK> You need to read the manuals. There are very few such utilities and one of them - All the best. K6-2-266. VG> On PC 286 it worked great for me too... But on 533 it doesn’t work It's not a matter of speed, but of buggy hardware and crooked software. Some of my discs were read only from a bare disk or were not read at all. I found WBR, Jason. VK>> successfully read. VK> You need to read the manuals. Good advice, but too general. smile 300"? ... Cabbage is always a snack: it’s not a shame to serve it, and it’s not a pity to eat it /*e-mail: jason2000(subject)yandex.ru ICQ: . 62235830*/ VS>> there are many formats, but not 300"? VK> No way. Sector size is 128, 256, 512, 1024, tracks on the disk or 40 Is that all? And, for example, placement of service information, in particular a directory? VK> Will there be many formats? No a lot, but a lot. ... *That's it!* Inscription on the cemetery.
were whispering, but I still heard everything! They said,
VK> can read/write to the disks of another system.
Vitalic.
And there is only one logical format. And setting up for a specific media is done by replacing
a small plate that describes the physical format. There is a program under the MOA CPM that does this. The computer begins to understand discs from
Robotrons, Oceans, Pros, etc., without any drivers, many different formats, including MS-DOS below
version 5.
I found utilities, one knew 200+ formats, the other 300+. They didn't know mine. ;)
Vitalic.
VS> device, I found utilities, one knew 200+ formats, the other 300+. They didn't know mine. ;)
can be configured for any format. I successfully read CDs from Profi to her.
VS>> the other 300+. They didn't know mine. ;)
VK> 22Disk - can be configured for any format. I successfully read discs from Profi to her
VK>.
And on what machine? On PC 286 it worked great for me... But on 533 it doesn’t work at all! Are there any ways to make it work on fast pussies?
Vladimir.
VG> at all! Are there any ways to make it work on fast
VG> computers?
an old multicard with a flop controller, connected it instead of the onboard one -
reads everything.
The newer the computer, the worse it fits with other people's disk formats. He's not very friendly with his own people either. "Device A hardware failure", damn...
VG> And on what machine? On PC 286 it worked great for me... And
VG> on 533 - it doesn’t want to at all! Are there any ways to make it
VG> work on fast pussies?
If the glitch is due to the pussiness speed, then there are programs for the processor's brakes. Sometimes
helps.
Best regards, Oleg. [ZX]
Good luck!
Vitalic.
VK> or 80.
Good luck!
Vitalic.