Aww...

Is anyone alive?
What, no one at all?
Moderator, give me the rules! :)

[Team Kelly]
Hasta la vista.
Tim Kelly

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It was the case that the date _02 Oct 98_ at _15:54_, *Tim Kelly* wrote to *All*:

TK> Is anyone alive?
Ugh!
TK> What, no one at all?
And who knows... Maybe no one at all :-)

TK> Moderator, let me scaffolding! :)
If only I had a conscience, I would at least ask for a chest of drawers :-)

But still, why is there such calm? Or is there a cliff somewhere?

Eugene

*/E-Mail:/* _*/crazy_...@yahoo.com/*_.

... How much don’t push the lamers, there are more and more of them :((

02 Nov 98 15:54, Tim Kelly wrote to All:

TK> Is anyone alive?
More like half-dead... :)
TK> What, no one at all?
Heh... ;-))
TK> Moderator, give me the rules! :)
Be quiet with yourself... :))

Anti-offtopic: Reflections on the sound on the spec.

So I’m thinking here, what should the sound on the spec be like?
The reasoning is purely theoretical and rather of an advisory nature,
so don’t kick too hard, but join in the debate.

The subject :) has almost exhausted itself about the beeper-speaker speech for a long time no.
What to replace them with? There are two preliminary considerations here:
1. The concept, circuit design, design and software
interface of the new drive should be very carefully thought out with the aim
of maximizing the simplification of its implementation, maximum compatibility with
all modifications and clones of the spec and simplification of the adaptation of existing
software and the creation of new ones and, most importantly, with the aim of
creating a product that can become a _standard_, such like, say, TR-DOS
or AY. Considering that Spec, unfortunately, has not been in the stage of formation and primary development for a long time, we cannot afford a bunch of standards, they say, time will tell.
2. Approaches to the implementation of this project should proceed from the realities of the Spectrum, and not IBM. I mean resource requirements.
I think we love Spectrum for its attitudesimplicity/possibilities
and attempts to make an IBM out of it personally perplex me:
well, you want to screw up the memory, the clock, install a screw, CMOS,
extended video modes, multitask, graphical interface and play
WarCraft with all this - buy yourself a 286-12/1/40 and don’t fool yourself
and don’t make a monster out of the Speckie, especially since it the cost with these
bells and whistles today already exceeds the cost of three.
(please consider this not as an off-topic, but as an expression of love
for the “pure” Spectrum)
Here, however, there is one caveat - IMHO you can consider
the question of using ready-made boards, nodes and devices from IBM,
precisely _ready-made_, due to their low cost due to mature technologies
and the use of large chips, and not to build analogues on the 555 series.

It is for these reasons that it seems to me inappropriate
implementation of the approaches implemented in SoundDrive and DirectSound
Firstly, for hardware reasons - an attachment to the computer in
the form of a second computer... Secondly - resources, memory and performance.
Digital sound, a cool thing, there are no words, but these are huge
requirements for memory and speed, even at mediocre
quality. IMHO, the use of digital sound in _music_ is not
for specs.
It seems to me that the use of FM synthesis is much more suitable
Ideally, the use of ready-made chips (whereI don’t know how to get them yet
but I think you can find them if you want). In this case, the cost should be
low.
Issues of memory and speed disappear, the description of the instrument will take
6-12 bytes, the main volume is the description of the music itself, and this, of course,
is minuscule in comparison with digitization.
Quality is a moot point here. I personally find it more pleasant to listen to
a cymbal on FM than to one digitized at 8 kHz; I’m not talking about any electric pianos at all
- their quality is enough for specking.
But if someone desperately needs high-quality digital instruments
on spec, another approach is possible - implementing a standard MIDI interface
and there - if you want - connect a wave table (a megabyte costs $15-20 - 2 times cheaper than SoundDrive and the sound is incomparably better),
you want - synth (if you have one ;) And in general - MIDI is a standard for all
instruments and computer platforms, so there can be many applications.
Both of these approaches are good from the point of view of memory and speed,
give fairly high-quality sound, and should not be expensive.

Who thinks what? about this?

Vitalic

VS> Be quiet with yourself... :))

E-eh!

VS> I’m thinking here, what should the sound be like on a spec?
VS> The reasoning is purely theoretical and rather of an advisory nature,
VS> so don’t kick too hard, but join in the debate.

As far as I remember, the creators of the legendary are present here :)
General Sound - representatives of X-Trade. I think we should hear at least
a couple of words from them :)

VS> Both of these approaches are good in terms of memory and performance,
VS> they give fairly high-quality sound, and should not be expensive.

VS> Who thinks about this?

I heard something about GS for $20, out of the blue...

ES> If I had a conscience, I would at least ask for a chest of drawers :-)

The commoderator, unfortunately, is in long-term down :( The only node in his
city has fallen asleep :(((

ES> But still, why is there such a calm? Or is there a cliff somewhere?

There is no cliff. Definitely. At least in goes to Russia.

Here I am, here :) I saw how you or someone else threw a list of traders. A
I didn’t see or hear anyone else :(

To All: people who are alive, respond who sees me.

See you later. Yan Zagorskikh.

And I have my own point of view - to make it cooler and cheaper. (in reasonable
proportions ;)
I heard that someone is going to add MIDI, so I’m all hands and feet
FOR, or even AY or GS. IMHO GS is now beyond the means of many. If only someone could tell me what kind of midi this is and how it is better than AY. Well, I don’t know, really.

[fixed about the concept]

VS> 2. Approaches to the implementation of this project should proceed
VS> from
VS> the realities of the Spectrum, and not IBM. I mean the requirements for
VS> resources.
VS> It seems to me that we love the Spectrum for its relationship
VS> simplicity/possibility,
VS> and attempts to make it an IBM personally cause me
VS> bewilderment:
VS> well, you want to screw up the memory, clock, put a screw,
VS> CMOS,
VS> extended video modes, multitask, graphical interface
VS> and play
VS> with all this in WarCraft - buy yourself 286-12/1/40 and don’t fool
VS> yourself

No, why screw up Spec for just playing around, now it’s quite
difficult for example with storing information, there are no 5.25" disks anywhere, and 3.5" are too expensive, so screw needed, but for mail it’s generally cool, but I haven’t seen a soaper under
IS-Dos yet. But I agree about CMOS, I didn’t have a great need for it.

VS> and don’t make a monster out of the spec, especially since itthe cost with
VS> these
VS> bells and whistles today already exceeds the cost of the three.
VS> (please consider this not as an off-topic, but as an expression
VS> of love
VS> for the “pure” Spectrum)

Pure Spectrum is an elastic concept, pure Speck, one might say, was in the
time of Sir Clive Sinclair, may he rest in heaven, when there was tape and all sorts of
expensive bells and whistles.

VS> Here, however, there is one caveat - IMHO you can
VS> consider
VS> the question of using ready-made boards, components and devices from
VS> IBM,
VS> precisely _ready_, due to their low cost due to the mature
VS> technologies
VS> and the use of large chips, rather than making analogues on 555th
VS> series.

You say the truth, PC hardware has only gone up in price :(

VS> It is for these reasons that it seems to me
VS> inappropriate
VS> to introduce the approaches implemented in SoundDrive and
VS> DirectSound

And what is DirectSound? Not once about it I heard.

[fixed]

VS> But if someone desperately needs high-quality
VS> digital instruments
VS> on a spec - another approach is possible - implementing a standard
VS> MIDI interface
VS> and then - if you want - connect a wave table (megabytes
VS> costs dollars
VS> 15-20 - 2 times cheaper than SoundDrive and the sound is incomparably
VS> better),
VS>if you want - synth (if any ;) And in general - MIDI is the
VS> standard for all
VS> instruments and computer platforms, so there can be many applications of
VS>.

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Midi on ZX would be _better_ but FM is also *HE*bad* :-)

R.I.P.

P.S. ...

TK> I heard something about GS for $20, out of the blue...
It seems like we were talking about figures 1.5..2 times more?

Vitalic

03 Oct 98 05:47, Vitalic Svetashov -> Tim Kelly:

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VS> But if someone urgently needs high-quality digital
VS> instruments on spec - another approach is possible - implementation of
VS> standard MIDI interface and there already - if you want - connect a wave table
VS> (a megabyte costs 15-20 dollars - 2 times cheaper than SoundDrive
Where did you see SoundDrive for 15-20 $? It cost me a maximum of 5 rubles.
probably confused with GeneralSound ?

VS> and the sound
VS> is incomparably better), you want synth (if there is one ;) And in general - MIDI
VS> -
VS> is a standard for all instruments and computer platforms, so
VS> there can be many applications.
VS> Both of these approaches are good from a point of view vision of memory and performance,
VS> give fairly high-quality sound, do not have to be expensive.
VS> Who thinks about this?
There are no thoughts and there won’t be any.:( there are no standards for sound, except
AY, SD, GS, COVOX, BEEPER. And how many people (namely people) will they implement this Midi interface? I think that only a few will probably be fans. There are a lot of questions with software support, etc. And if you want sound, then get yourself a PC and
don’t suffer. Imho 2 computers are better than 1. respect SP/PoS.

TK>> Moderator, give me the wheels! :)
YZ> Here I am, here :) I saw you or someone else throwing a list of
YZ> traders. And I didn’t see or hear anyone else :(
:-( :-(

YZ> To All: people who are alive, respond who sees me.
It’s strange - people slowly respond, but empty, like in a tank after an explosion :-(

Eugene

*/E-Mail:/* _*/crazy_...@yahoo.com/*_.

... How much Don’t push people like Max Voinitsky, there are more and more of them :((

He said everything well, but all this is not serious. Why? Because there is already
hardware called General Sound.

VS> instruments on the spec - another approach is possible - implementation
VS> of a standard MIDI interface and there you want - connect a wave table
VS> (a megabyte costs $15-20 - 2 times cheaper than SoundDrive and the sound
VS> is incomparably better), if you want - synth (if you have it ;) And in general - MIDI -
VS> is a standard for all instruments and computer platforms, so
VS> there can be many applications.
VS> Both of these approaches are good in terms of memory and performance,

[Team Kelly]
Hasta la vista.
Tim Kelly

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04 Nov 98 Yan Zagorskih write to Tim Kelly about "Awww...":

YZ> Here I am, here :) I saw how you or someone else threw a list of
YZ> traders. And I didn’t see or hear anyone else :(

YZ> To All: people who are alive, respond who sees me.

We see, though only through binoculars - you’re too far away ;))

_/With best wishes! Squizer./_

>>> [xpro...@chat.ru] [icq:17425411]
... Hakuna Matata! What a wonderfull phrase!

YZ> And I have my own point of view - to make it cooler and cheaper. (in reasonable
YZ> proportions ;)
Well, of course, it’s better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick... ;)
The question is which device or which approach in general has the best
possibilities/price ratio
YZ> I heard that someone is going to attach MIDI, so
YZ> I’m all in favor, or even AY or GS. IMHO GS is now beyond the means of many
YZ>. If only someone could tell the dark me what kind of midi this is and why
YZ> it is better than AY. Well, I don’t know, really.
From a hardware point of view - a regular serial port.
From a software point of view - a certain standard exchange protocol between musical
instruments, containing information about the selected instrument, note,
controlling controllers. Those. To put it simply, a MIDI file is
music recorded in the form of standard commands (which instrument to play which
note, etc.), which are transmitted via this serial
interface to the device, which plays it all.
Such a device could be, for example, a WaveTable-daughter from an offtopic,
which contains a bank of digitized instruments.
The main thing is that it is a standard to which you can connect various
devices, based on their capabilities and requirements.

[Team Kelly]
Hasta la vista.
Tim Kelly

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VS> From a hardware point of view - a regular serial
VS> port.

Is this RS232?

VS> From a software point of view - a certain standard exchange protocol between
VS> musical
VS> instruments, containing information about the selected

Do you not have a dock?

[ MIDI description skipped ]

Thank you. Now I will know.

Greetings, Eugene!

YZ>> To All: people who are alive, respond who sees me.
ES> It’s strange - people slowly respond, but empty-handed in
ES> tank after the explosion :-(

So far, no one has responded to my, so to speak, call except you, or I
didn’t see anyone :( I recently wrote to Roman Milyukov with soap, until I
received an answer
:(

See you later. Yan Zagorskikh.

And if you consider that I bought these bells and whistles when the three did not cost more than
bells and whistles.

VS> in the form of a second computer... Secondly - resources, memory and
VS> performance. Digital sound is a tricky thing, there are no words
VS>, but these are huge demands on memory and
VS> performance, even on

A, for example the same Generl Sound, there are no brakes, because everything sits in its own memory and standard mods are played by its own processor. And computer resources
are required only when loading Mouzon, and then sit and write letters, work with
the modem, well, in general, everything that you did before without GS, but now with music ;-)))

With best wishes, Dmitry.

ES> It’s strange - people are slowly responding, but it’s empty, like in a tank after
ES> an explosion :-(

And to me this is all the more strange... I (for my part) see a bunch of bazaars and
people busy with these very bazaars... But yours is empty... Maybe you, sir, won’t see my
letter? :)

Happy, Eugene. It was nice to chat.

People/people, which cacti did you fall into? Have you seen the ZX traders FAQ? So, there
there is information about X-Trade - you can buy from them for $10 (or quite a bit more, but LD won’t
kill me for this).

Happy, Vitalic. It was nice to chat.

YZ> traders. And I didn’t see or hear anyone else :(

YZ> To All: people who are alive, respond who sees me.

What was your name?

With best wishes, Vladimir.

On Monday November 02 1998 Tim Kelly wrote to All:

TK> Is anyone alive?
Uh-huh. We live small.
TK> What, no one at all?
- Or maybe throw a grenade?
- Well, there’s no one ;-)

On Tuesday November 03 1998 Vitalic Svetashov wrote to Tim Kelly:

VS> It seems to me that it is much more suitable to use FM synthesis
VS> Ideally, use ready-made chips (I don’t know where to get them yet,
VS> but I think you can find them if you want). In this case, the cost should be
VS> low.
Well, I’m not the only one interested in FM synthesis ;-) I’ve wanted FM on Specky for a long time.
Yes, by the way, no one refuses AY - you can combine them. On FM, for example, the drums don't come out very well. They can be hung on AY, and let the FM play the rest
VS> Memory and speed issues disappear, the description of the instrument
VS> will take up 6-12 bytes, the main volume is the description of the music itself, and this,
VS> is understandably minuscule compared to digitization.
6-12 bytes for instruments is only immediate programming
FM registers, but you can change the values just like on AY. Then it will be possible to squeeze out more interesting sounds. But it’s true that the execution time of the player
will increase, and if the registers are programmed just once, it will
fly.

YZ> Is this RS232?

The protocol is the same, but not with +-12 volt levels, but with a “current
loop”. Fixed speed, 31250 baud.

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One day on 04 Nov 98 exactly at 19:19:40 Yan Zagorskih
wrote to Vitalic Svetashov on the topic 'Aww...':

YZ> IS-Dos did not see the soaper. But I agree about CMOS, I didn’t have a big
YZ> need for it.

Aren’t you sick of dialing the time in Lara every time, you have to look at the clock all the time?
I’m sick of it, now I don’t enter it manually ;-)))

With best wishes, Dmitry.

TK> I heard something about GS for $20, out of the corner of my ear...

And I heard GS with my whole ear, and not just one, but two ;-)))

With best wishes, Dmitry.

YZ> To All: people who are alive, respond who sees me.

I see you, it’s not even bad (good vision)

DS> And if you consider that I bought these bells and whistles when the three did not cost
more than
DS> bells and whistles.

So it is so... But if you count everything together - nothing
good. Three rubbish is cheaper. After all, 99% of the cost of a computer
is already peripheral. Yes, and the green scorpion is converted into three
by replacing the board and taking out the smoke.

DS> are required only when loading Mouzon, and then sit and write letters, work with
the modem,
DS> well, in general, everything that you did before without GS, but now with music ;-)))

You want to say that you can listen to 8-bit music in fashion on
128kb or 512kb GS-ke??? YES THIS IS NOT MUSIC. THIS IS CRAP. A regular
cassette recorder sounds MUCH BETTER!!! If you don't believe me -
look for metal Mouzons under GS-ku.

W!7h Be$7 W!$he$, FK0.

├┤i Kirill & Vitalic !

[...]

KC> He said everything well, but all this is not serious. Why? Because there is already
hardware
KC> called General Sound.

128kb is not serious. It definitely needs an expander up to 512kb.

And in general, everything is not serious. For a long time there have been other computers
than the Spectrum.

[...]

KC> Here. And this gadget (GS) costs $10 (from the manufacturer).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You are violating here - you are putting deliberately distorted information!

this is an XTR momed $10, and GS costs 450 rubles ~30$

KC> I think - again, a bunch of different devices of all kinds. No need. (IMHO).

It is logical if in the origin something is written about a naked grandfather.

W!7h Be$7 W!$he$, FK0.

hehe, for ten dollars we'll buy them ourselves :)
you've got something mixed up. our price is $30.

All the best.

Dmitry.

...LD...X-TRADE...

06 Nov 98 you wrote here hoping that Eugene Safronov would read:

YZ> So far, no one has responded to my, so to speak, call except you, or I
YZ> haven’t seen anyone :( I recently wrote to Roman Milyukov with soap, until I received an answer
YZ> :(

Today I barely raked out all REAL.SPECCY! ~:-O
A lot has accumulated...

All the best.
Roman.

RP> Wow, I’m not the only one interested in FM synthesis ;-) I’ve long wanted FM
RP> on Speccy. Yes, by the way, no one refuses AY - you can
RP> combine them.

A little subtlety: AY is FM :) More precisely, a special case.

TK> I see.

Somehow they don’t see me enough, or I don’t see everyone :(

P.S. The question keeps tormenting me. What happened to the echo? It just suddenly
“turned off” and then suddenly “turned on”.

See you later. Jan Zagorskikh.

One day on 07 Nov 98 exactly at 01:37:00 Kirill Frolov
wrote to Dmitry Sharikov on the topic 'Aww...':

KF> How much does Zonov's greenest scorpion cost now?
KF> With all the bells and whistles?

I'm not saying anything about "now", I bought it then, when he was still yellow.

KF> So that’s how it is... But if you count everything together - nothing
KF> good. Three rubbish is cheaper. After all, 99% of the cost of a
KF> computer

Well, naturally, if I were buying a computer now, I wouldn’t buy a scorpion from Zonov for
a lot of money.

KF> is already a periphery. Yes, and the green scorpion is converted into a three
KF> by replacing the board and removing the smook.

And by replacing the monitor, or do you want to say that you can also install a CGA card
? ;-))))

KF> Are you saying that you can listen to 8-bit music in
KF> mode on 128kb or 512kb GS-ke??? YES THIS IS NOT MUSIC. THIS
KF> IS CRAP. A regular cassette recorder sounds MUCH
KF> BETTER!!! If you don’t believe me, look for metal
KF> music for GS.

Why, often the quality of playback depends on samples

With best wishes, Dmitry.

One day on 07 Nov 98 at exactly 01:29:00 Kirill Frolov
wrote to Kirill Chubenko on the topic 'sound...':

KF> And in general, everything is not serious. For a long time there have been more other
KF> computers than the Spectrum.

You yourself said that you are an opponent of all other computers, especially PCs...

KC>> there is already a piece of hardware called General Sound.

KF> 128kb is not serious. It definitely needs an expander up to 512kb.

And a stump without 3Dfx is a coffee stand....

KF> And in general, everything is not serious. For a long time there have been more other computers
KF> than Spectrum.

Correctly, losing means everyone urgently needs to run to sell Spectrums for the given
amount of money, buy beer and hemp with them and go crazy at home... So?

KF> [...]

Greetings, Dmitry!

Once, Sat Nov 07 1998 02:10, Dmitry Lomov wrote to Kirill Chubenko about
[sound...]:

[evilly deleted]

KC>> Here. And this gadget (GS) costs $10 (from the manufacturer).

DL> hehe, for ten dollars we will buy them ourselves :)
DL> you've got something wrong. our price is $30.

I got confused, sorry.

Happy, Dmitry. It was nice to chat.

KC> And a stump without 3Dfx is a coffee stand....

That's what the authors themselves say. And in the future they plan to support
mainly 512k (for example, in ChV2)

Warm greetings, Slava!

DS> And by replacing the monitor, or do you want to say that you can also install a CGA
DS> card? ;-))))

You can install a regular VGA, and with the help of two mikrukh and special drivers
connect it to a regular Speck monitor. 640*480*256 interlased.

VM> That's what the authors themselves say. And in the future they plan to support
VM> mainly 512k (for example, in ChV2)

Well, that’s right, the same with writing games, soon Tetris will be made under
3dfx... But it’s not necessary to install it? And you can use the computer not
as a coffee stand without 3dfh.

Happy, Vyacheslav. It was nice to chat.

...November 07, 98 Kirill Frolov and Dmitry Sharikov were having a conversation on the topic
"Aww...":
KF> Are you saying that you can listen to 8-bit music in fashion on
KF> 128kb or 512kb GS-ke??? YES THIS IS NOT MUSIC. THIS IS SHIT.

Don’t be so categorical. It’s just that the samples in the vast majority of mods are digitized at a sampling frequency of 4-8 kHz, and this is suks. Samples
8 bit / 22 kHz sound no worse than on a good tape recorder.

KF> Regular
KF> cassette recorder sounds MUCH BETTER!!! If you don’t believe me -
KF> find metal music for GS-ku.

I bet you won’t find metal music for pussy either - 16 bit,
44 kHz. I am convinced that it is _impossible_ to write real _metal_ on a computer.
What exists is feces, because... It’s impossible to transfer a live guitar to samples
(well, unless you digitize the entire guitar part). And if you digitize the whole batch, then it will take up _immeasurably_, and will not fit into GS. They don't do this on the pussy either. You can go the other way and reduce the batch size at the expense of quality. And this is also suks. The computer and live music are incompatible. I say this as a
pisish/spectrum composer.

I wish you good luck!
Andrew.

08 Oct 98 00:52, Roman Milukov -> Yan Zagorskih:

YZ>> So far, no one has responded to my, so to speak, call except
YZ>> you, or I haven’t seen anyone :( I recently wrote to Romany Milukov
YZ>> with soap, until I received an answer :(
RM> Today I barely cleared out all the REAL.SPECCY! ~:-O
RM> A lot has accumulated...
Freedom of action after all :))))
With respect SP/PoS.

KC> People/people, which cacti did you fall into? Have you seen the ZX traders FAQ? So,
tama
KC> there is information about X-Trade - they can buy it for $10 (or quite a bit more expensive,
no
KC> LD will kill me for this).

Once again GENERAL SOUND costs 450 rubles!

W!7h Be$7 W!$he$, FK0.

DS>> insert a card? ;-))))
KC> You can install a regular VGA, and with the help of two mikrukh and special
KC> drivers, connect it to a regular Speck monitor.
KC> 640*480*256 interlased.

Well, this is not a cool video ;-)
Imho, if you install a card, then install some serious card.

With best wishes, Dmitry.

DS> A little subtlety: AY is FM :) More precisely, a special case.
Hmm... But it seemed to me that no. FM, it seems, is Frequency modulation.
In AY, frequencies seem to be not modulated. Although, if the envelope is called a modulator, then in principle it can be called AY FM, but it seems not. If I'm wrong -
correct.

Bye, Denis! With the best wishes, Megus of Brainwave.

You could say it’s a special case of RS232 (from the point of view of the exchange protocol)
YZ> Don’t you have a document?
It’s definitely in English somewhere.
VS>> I meant DMA-Sound (Direct Memory Access Sound)
YZ> Ahhhh, I remember flying somewhere, but it didn’t unpack for me. Please
YZ> I'll take a look if possible.
We need to rummage through the bins. Isn’t Tim on the server?

There are still thoughts on MIDI.
Yesterday, remembering that it was mentioned somewhere that the 128th spec
implemented an RS232/MIDI interface, I started digging for the 128th ROM.
There really is such a letter. There are input/output
procedures via RS232 and channel P (printer) is configured for them.
But, the main thing is there is a procedure that software implements the output
byte in the battery through bit 2 of port A AY in accordance with the
MIDI protocol. The procedure is used, in particular, when executing the command
128th BASIC PLAY "Z??" - MIDI command output. But this is far from all. This subru is used by two more, strikingly reminiscent
of the implementation of MIDI commands “turn on note” and “turn off note”.
That’s not all either, but I haven’t dug further yet, because
I’m a small coder, but I’m a big lazy person! :-))
In general, the MIDI protocol is implemented in the 128th, even now connect
the scoreboard (three wires - MIDI Out (port A AY), ground and +5V and the audio output - to the amplifier (this is a solid IMHO, haven’t checkedyet!)) and the
PLAY commands you can already play, and by writing a MIDI file player using
ready-made procedures in ROM, you can play midi with awesome quality!
But! :( The protocol, as I already said, is implemented in software
(i.e., the entire timing diagram is on delays), so the processor is almost
fully loaded and use in games is difficult, although
the devil knows, we need to fully understand and count the clock cycles...
You can unload the processor by implementing the interface in hardware.
It will still be much simpler than gadgets that implement
sampler approach.
These are the preliminary considerations. It would be better, of course,
to first figure it out and try to do it, and then write,
but I’m afraid that because of laziness I will abandon this matter and the idea will disappear.
So, whoever is interested, join the discussion.

Vitalic

DS> Well, this is not a cool video ;-)
DS> IMHO, if you install a card, then install some serious
DS> card.

Then install a serious computer and everything serious and play d00m on it, and
if you need to read/reply mail with convenience, a Speck monitor will do
(if not I'll come across a normal monitor for ridiculous money, like me)

Happy, Dmitry. It was nice to chat.

KC> Then install a serious computer and everything serious and play
KC> on this in d00m, and if you need to read/reply mail with
KC> convenience, a Speck monitor will do (if you don’t get caught

You’re right, but you can read mail on Speck, for example, I like it in Lara...

With best wishes, Dmitry.

RP> Hmm... But it seemed to me that no. FM, it seems, Frequency
RP> modulation.

That's right.

RP> In AY, it seems like the frequencies are not modulated.

They are modulated. By processor.

There are two methods of extracting sound on a computer - FM and samples.
AY is the first. However, this is obvious, since it’s definitely not the second one :-)

DS> You're right, but you can read mail on Speck, for example, I like Lara
DS>...

I agree, but when the PC is given for free, why not use it? :)
At the same time, I don’t particularly try to screw up the PC to the point of impossibility - I have
no desire. If I get something for free, I won’t refuse, and I won’t buy it on purpose, I won’t do anything bad... Oh well, the ridiculous market has already started - let’s call it a day.

YZ> except you, or I
YZ> haven’t seen anyone :( I recently wrote to Roman Milyukov,
YZ> until I received an answer
YZ>
YZ> :(

Who are we looking for? Maybe I missed something...?

├─┤asta la vista !!!

[SG] [Clawfinger] [Megadeth] [SSAU] [ZX] [Beer]
√ E-mail: w...@chat.ru

VM> support in
VM> mainly 512k (for example, in ChV2)

So in ChV2 there will really be support for GS, won't it happen that you
will have to remove the General Sound item from the settings menu again? How realistic are things with this?

One day on March 08, 98 exactly at 00:23:00 Kirill Frolov
wrote to Dmitry Sharikov on the topic 'sound...':

DS>> The price is growing before our eyes, first 10, then 20, and now
DS>> 30. Although I myself once bought one of the first
KF> Here Lomov threw the price at $30.

It’s just that the very first boards also had a buffer for the AP6.

With best wishes, Dmitry.

How empty is this??? Every day there are 50-70 letters here!!!
There are a lot of people here!
And against the background of this, the subject letters somehow even look ridiculous.
Something is wrong here, something is rotten in the Danish kingdom...

VS> We need to rummage through the bins. Isn’t Tim on the server?

I haven’t seen it.

VS> There are still thoughts on MIDI.
VS> Yesterday, remembering that it was mentioned somewhere that the 128th
VS> spec
VS> implements the RS232/MIDI interface, I started digging for the 128th ROM.
VS> There really is such a letter. There are procedures
VS> input/output
VS> via RS232 and channel P (printer) is configured for them.
VS> But, the main thing is there is a procedure that programmatically implements
VS> output
VS> byte in the battery through bit 2 of port A AY in accordance
VS> with the
VS> MIDI protocol. The procedure is used, in particular, when executing
VS> command
VS> 128th BASIC PLAY "Z??" - MIDI command output. But this
VS> is far
VS> not all. This subrule is used by two more, strikingly reminiscent of
VS> the implementation of the MIDI commands “turn on note” and “turn off note”.
VS> This is also not all, but I haven’t dug further yet, because
VS> I’m a small coder, but I’m a big lazy person! :-))

And at what addresses? I’m also interested in delving into it.

VS> In general, the MIDI protocol is implemented in the 128th, even now
VS> connect
VS> to the scoreboard (three wires - MIDI Out (port A AY), ground and +5V and
VS> sound output
VS> - to the amplifier (this is solid IMHO, haven’t checked it yet!)) and
VS> commands
VS> PLAY is already possibleplay, and having written a MIDI file player with
VS> using
VS> ready-made procedures in ROM - drive midi with awesome
VS> quality!

Soooo, this is already interesting... And how does this midi card itself connect to the pussy
? What signals, makeshifts?

VS> But! :( The protocol, as I already said, is implemented
VS> in software
VS> (i.e., the entire timing diagram is on delays), so the processor
VS> is almost
VS> fully loaded and use in games is difficult,
VS> although
VS> the devil knows, we need to fully understand and count
VS> cycles...

For now, software will do, too, but still a pain in the ass.

VS> You can unload the processor by implementing the interface in hardware.
VS> It will still be much simpler than gadgets that implement the
VS> sampler approach.

IMHO it is possible to do it in hardware, but preferably on bourgeois mikrukhs IMHO the bourgeois have special transceivers, and on our element base, for example
ВВ51, IMHO it’s crap.

VS> These are the preliminary considerations. It would be better,
VS> of course,
VS> to figure it out and try to do it first, and then
VS> to write,
VS> but I’m afraid that because of laziness I will abandon this matter, and the idea
VS> will be lost.
VS> So, if anyone is interested, join us. discussion.

I don’t have a midi card and there’s no way to purchase one :( But it’s for mevery
interesting.

See you. Jan Zagorskikh.

VM>> support mainly 512k (for example, in CV2)

OP> So in CV2 there will really be support for GS, won’t it happen that you
OP> will have to remove the General Sound item from the settings menu again? How realistic is the situation with this?

No idea... Looks like they've screwed up the effects... And making a player takes one
day of work...

Warm greetings, Slava!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
YZ> Soooo, this is already interesting... And how does this midi card itself connect to pussies
YZ>? What signals, makeshifts?
It is most often connected as a daughter board to the sound board via a special
WaveTable Connector (two rows of pins, I don’t remember how many in total),
but for what we are talking about, only ^ is needed, and
sound output. Temporaries - as I wrote, a special case of RS-232 -
8 bits, 1 start, 1 stop, 31.25kbaud (or something like that).
Hardware - TTL levels (not bipolar, as in RS-232, and not
current loop, as in standard MIDI)

VS> I’ll give it up in a couple of days. The delay is due to the fact that I'm digging
VS> at home, and FIDO is at work, so there's always nothing at hand
VS>. :(

Let's wait....

[eaten]

VS> It is more often connected as a daughterboard to the sound board via
VS> a special
VS> WaveTable Connector (two rows of pins, I don’t remember how many
VS> in total),
VS> but for what we are talking about, only ^ is needed, well, and
VS> sound output. Temporary huts - as I wrote a special case RS-232 -
VS> 8 bits, 1 start, 1 stop, 31.25 kbaud (or something like that).
VS> Hardware - TTL levels (not bipolar, as in RS-232, and not
VS> current loop, as in standard MIDI)

Thanks, mustache got it.

18 Nov 98 11:14, Yan Zagorskih wrote to Vitalic Svetashov:

YZ> Now where can I find a description about the midicart, i.e. how to extract sound from it
YZ>, what commands, modes are there....
If by midicart you mean a wavetable, then you just
need to send a stream of standard midi messages to it, for example (simplified)
“play instrument #45 note C” and, since sounds are hardwired into it,
for example, standard 128 General MIDI instruments and 47 drums,
then she is obliged to fulfill this order :-))
Found as an example on www.cirrus.com description of their chip
CS9236 in which inside :) MIDI interface, synthesizer, ROM of instruments
(see above), effects processor (digital reverb and chorus), RAM of parameters
effects, and a stereo output. They don’t give a price, there is a detailed description
in *.pdf :((Interestingly, they practice sending developers free
samples of chips, but this ball is not included in the list :((( Damn, how can
get a couple of pieces? I think the price should not exceed $10-15, and maybe
even less.

Vitalic

YZ> We'll wait....
The MIDI doc and the description of DMA-Sound have gone awry - write
how you got it.
By the way, yesterday I dug up a bunch of MIDI
and sound programming docs on the internet, a bunch of source codes.
I haven't even figured it out yet.

Now for MIDI in the 128th ROM.

Here are the procedures associated with MIDI, which I dug up
in the 128th ROM:

- --- #11A3 ----------------------------------------------

The byte transferred to A transmits starting from ml. bit
to port A AY (bit 2), in accordance with the MIDI protocol
with the formation of start and stop bits. The entire
time diagram is made by delays.

- --- #116E ----------------------------------------------

Transmits a MIDI message “turn on note”:
- takes the MIDI channel number from (IX+1), checks the 7th bit
(in some cases there is #FF instead of the channel number -
then RET), makes OR #90 (this is the NoteOn command)
and issues a call #11A3
- takes the note number from (IX+0) and - there :)
- the next byte that should be transmitted according to the
MIDI standard - keystroke speed. Takes some value
from (IX+4), slightly transforms it and - #11A3

- --- #118D ---------------------------------------------------

Transmits a MIDI "off note" message:
- takes the MIDI channel number from (IX+1), checks the 7th bit,
makes OR #80 ( commandNoteOff)
and issues a call #11A3
- takes the note number from (IX+0) and - there :)
- here the speed of releasing the key is fixed - #40

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

When executing the 128th BASIC PLAY command with the parameter
Z (transmit the number to the MIDI port), the number after Z
is read and transmitted (#0B84 - #0CEE - #11A3)

When executing the 128th BASIC PLAY command with parameter
Y (set the MIDI channel number), the number after Y
is read and written to (IX+1) (#0B84 - #0CDD - #0B1D)

---------------------------------------------------------------

That's all I've found so far (I must admit, I haven't
dug any further )

Good luck!
Vitalic

VS> If by midicard you mean a wavetable, then
VS> you just need to send a stream of standard midi messages to it, for example
VS> (simplified)
VS> “play instrument #45 note C” and, since it
VS> contains sounds,
VS> for example, standard 128 General MIDI instruments and 47
VS> drums,
VS> then she is obliged to fulfill this order :-))

As I understand in a simplified way, I wanted to know how NOT in a simplified way, i.e. What kind of midi messages are these and what kind of messages are there in general, if any. Let's say I want to play
"TO" with instrument #45, what should I send? And what can be sent there in general.

See you. Jan Zagorskikh.

■ 13 Nov 98 at 18:04:00 Valerij Kozhevnikoff addressed the following words to
Yan Zagorskih:

[...]
VK> How empty is this??? Every day there are 50-70 letters here!!!
VK> There are a lot of people here!
VK> And against the background of this, the subject letters somehow even look ridiculous
VK>.
VK> Something is wrong here, something is rotten in the Danish
VK> kingdom...
And it’s really rotten... I’ve received 50 letters in just four days
;(

Goodbye, Valerij.

20 Nov 98 22:15, Yan Zagorskih wrote to Vitalic Svetashov:

YZ> As simplified as I understand, I wanted to know how NOT simplified, i.e.
YZ> what kind of midi messages are these and what kind of messages are there in general, if any.
YZ> Let’s say I want to play “C” with instrument #45, what should I send?
YZ> And what can be sent there in general.
Read the document that I wrote for you. By the way, has it arrived?

Vitalic