Anketa
ZXNet echo conference «real.speccy»
Today the time has come when Spectrum needs our help more than ever. Today Spectrum has accumulated a huge number of problems, and we are obliged to solve them. It's already the year 2000, and the problem under the name of OS literally hung in the air in a strange way. I propose to solve it (bring it down to earth). Lately we have
had a lot of words about all sorts of new OS, but for some reason they are not
seen.
A few months ago, after I talked with one
Spectrumist and he suggested that I create an OS, I, of course, did not immediately
agree, but after he told me about his new project,
I agreed.
And so, if you care about the fate of the Spectrum, if you want to see
a new one heyday of the Spectrum, don’t delay with answers. The future of
the new Spectrum with the new OS is in your hands.
Please send your questionnaires to:
2:5007/15.11 TO Alexandr Machkasovskij
Best regards, Alexander.
AM>> Today the time has come when Spectrum, more than ever
AM>> needs our
AM>> help with you.
FK> The subject does not solve anything at the moment.
At the moment it decides whether spektrumists need the OS or not.
AM>> Today Spectrum has accumulated a huge
AM>> number of
AM>> problems,
FK> One is outflow realists. Inevitability.
Of course, many are attracted to other platforms, our task is to keep them,
if they are interested in the axis, programming, cool games, graphics...
...Because of these considerations alone, we must try to give it to them.
Where is your confidence, or you can only scream about demise.
AM>> and we are obliged to solve them. It's already the year 2000, and
AM>> the problem under
AM>> the name of the OS literally hung in a strange
AM>> air. I
AM>> propose to solve it (bring it down to earth). Lately
AM>> we
AM>> have had enough words about all sorts of new OSes, but
AM>> for some reason they are not
AM>> visible.
FK> Wake up. ;) For Speck (domestic) iS-DOS has become de facto.
This is an OS, but I think that this is a program that likes to work
with other floppy disk formats.
And in general, it’s really possible to create something cool using this (the language is not
I'm tempted to say that this is an OS)
AM>> A few months ago, after I talked to
AM>> one
AM>> spektrumist and he suggested that I create an OS, I of course did not
AM>> immediately
AM>> agreed, but after he told me about his
AM>> new project,
AM>> I agreed.
FK> Dead number. It is necessary to write software for the existing axis.
:-)
AM>> And so, if the fate of the Spectrum is dear to you, if you
AM>> want to see
AM>> a new blossoming of the Spectrum, do not delay in answering. The future
AM>> of the new Spectrum with a new OS is in your
AM>> hands.
FK> Now is not the time to write a new axis, it’s too late.
Better late than never
Best regards, Alex.
This is not entirely true, IMHO. There are realists and some are proud of the fact that they are realists (for example, I :)). In my opinion, the problem is the outflow of users and, paradoxically, lamers. And the advanced spektrumists (coders, hackers, just good at rummaging) are to blame for this, IMHO, if they didn’t shout at every opportunity
“lamers - mazday!”, “users - suck!” and didn’t wave (I apologize
for the rough definition), but chuckled quietly to themselves and condescendingly patted those who weren’t particularly enlightened on the head (with software :)), then there would be
two or three times more users (real-life people!) on Speck. Personally, I know several
people who have Speckies, but they are simply not interested in playing old games
(after all, now most of the new programs are system ones), and
they are afraid to connect to ZXNet - they say everyone there is so cool, they will spit on them. There are also
those who simply don’t want to learn anything, but just want to consume
(gambles). And such aspirations are now weakly supported among spektrumists, IMHO (not to say vice versa), so there is an outflow of existing users. But there are real people, it’s just their computers gathering dust idle.
AM> Of course, many are attracted to other platforms, our
AM> task is to keep them,
AM> if they are interested in the axis, programming, cool games,
AM> graphics...
Yes, manythey leave Speccy precisely for this reason, and some simply throw
Speccy on the shelf because of the lack of it.
AM> ...Because of these considerations alone, we must try
AM> to give them this.
We must. Personally, I can name two frozen projects, the implementation of which
might, IMHO, increase interest in Speccy - DOOM (DR), Mortal Kombat (with
large(!) figures, it’s a pity that the demo didn’t go further).
AM> Where is your confidence, or you can only scream
AM> about demise.
I’m not a particularly strong coder, but I can create schedule.
AM> This is not entirely true, IMHO. There are realists and some are proud that
AM> they are realists (for example, I :)). In my opinion, the problem is the outflow of
AM> users and, paradoxically, lamers.
Explain why lamers are on any platform? The benefit from them is zero.
AM> And it’s the fault of this, IMHO,
AM> advanced spektrumists (coders, hackers, just good at rummaging),
AM> if
AM> they didn’t shout at every opportunity “lamers - mazday!”, “users -
AM> suks!” and did not wave (I apologize for the rough definition), but
AM> quietly chuckled to themselves and condescendingly patted the not particularly
AM> not very enlightened on the head (with software :) ),
But you yourself try to communicate with them from the position of “big brother”. This is impossible to tolerate!
AM> then on Speck there would be
AM> two or three times more users (realists!).
Two to three times more lamers? To the garden.
Of course I agree, since the thought is mainly mine. Let's rather say this:
new/inexperienced Spectrum users should be treated with respect, and not
as we know happens.
And users are needed. It is a pity that, for example, accounting programs or text editors/processors have not become popular. Please note that the application software is installed on most PCs. That's right, smallsoft office 6, 98 or 2000 (bugs).
And one more thing. I don’t know how it is in large Russian cities (primarily Moscow and St. Petersburg), but in Lvov I remember only one company that sold Specky well.
Yes, alone. “What,” you say, “is Uncle Sasha at the market or Uncle Petya in the basement?” And what healthy person, who does not know the intricacies of the matter, will go to a radio market to buy something serious from a stranger? It's a different matter at a company, where even its name will be on the body. It is a pity that despite the advertising, the company is unknown to the general population. Is she still alive? And the approach was
100% correct.
ZXNet should be approached with the same seriousness, although not with a commercial
approach.
AB> No, you need to write an OS. And in parallel and after the program and even a game for it.
AB> And distribute only with a minimum set of programs. And at the same time
AB> a development environment based on assembler and OS features (although perhaps this
AB> is superfluous). And it is very important to plan its extensibility with the subsequent
AB> maximum possible compatibility.
No need to do anything, drop everything! Absolutely everything dies, just like a person.
Look how many people were in the Spectrum echoes, 5 times less than
a year and a half ago, and therefore why the hell is it necessary?
... The world of virtuality, the world of lawlessness
The personality and body dies in it... (c) my
VK> Two years ago.
No, and now too.
AM>> For example
AM>> not everyone has this OS,
VK> For this there are friends, the radio market, BBS, Fido, ZXNet.
VK> Cross out what is unnecessary.
You yourself know very well that there are spektrumists located so to speak in
"apart" and they simply may not even know about the appearance of a new OS. I myself was once like this, and if not for a happy accident, I would still be like this.
VK> Why? Well, you don’t have an OS and you don’t want to have one, then
VK> the logical question is “Do you need Speck at all?”
Why? Such a statement is tantamount to “do you have a perfect, or do you not need Speck?” I repeat, there are people who simply cannot get a new OS, there are
and those who are satisfied with TR-DOS and they are not going to rack their brains in
searching for and mastering a new OS - for example, they don’t have time, connections, money, etc.
So, does this mean that they have given up on Spec??? If you think like this, then it
means that _you_ gave up on Spec, since you don’t care who, how, when and at all
can get the OS.
VK> So he took it and did it in five minutes?
OS, IMHO, is also not done in 5 minutes. Especially if they expect to make
a good OS.
VK> WBR, Vladimir.
See you, Anton.
...People make me nervous, so it’s not enough to think.(C)Скрябiн
Sun May 03 2000 12:27, Vladimir Klymus ---> Anton Matyuhin:
VK> Explain why lamers are on any platform? There is zero benefit from them.
Vov., not lamer, but users :).
We are all lamer at least in some way. :)
Geniuses are born only once in a century,
and they are given the name Sir Clive Sinclair :)) .
With the best -
Wlodek.
[ZX] [Golyanovo]
AB> Have you guys even heard of OpenSource and GNU? If you have a head and
AB> authority, then it’s a powerful thing.
What is this? If there is, put it in the echo!?!
Sincerely, Alex.
03 May 00 11:27, Vladimir Klymus wrote to Anton Matyuhin about "Anketa":
AM>>>>> Today the Spectrum has accumulated a huge
AM>>>>> number of
AM>>>>> problems,
FK>>>> One is the outflow of real estate agents. Inevitability.
AM>> This is not entirely true, IMHO. There are realists and some are proud of the fact that they are realists (for example, me :)). In my opinion, the problem is
AM>> the outflow of users and, paradoxically, lamers.
VK> Explain why lamers are needed on any platform? They have zero benefit.
"Lamers mustn't die as they make good background for others!" (C)IMP
_/With best wishes, Squizer!/_
>>> [xpro...@softhome.net] [ZX] [icq:17425411] [Ukraine RC5 Team]
... Trust no one, deny everything!
WB> Vov., not lamer, but users :).
WB> We are all lamer at least in some way. :)
WB> Geniuses are born only once in a century,
WB> and they are given the name Sir Clive Sinclair :)) .
And from the very birth!
;)))
[I ZX] [Team Sashki-rulez] [Team Guardian] [Team Kelly]
Hasta la vista.
Tim Kelly
... tim_...@mail.ru 500:622/1@zxnet http://timkelly.newmail.ru
Thursday May 4, 2000 Alexandr Machkasovskij wrote to Anton Matyuhin:
AM> Spectrum does not
AM> have hardware time counting tools aka timers and
Well, if you allow the OS to change, then you can allow the installation of CMOS - the conditions
distribution of OS and CMOS are approximately the same, even CMOS has more chances.
AM> task switching can
AM> be disabled with the DI instruction) multitasking axis, the main
AM> feature lies
AM> in its modularity (the same concepts are used in the Amiga).
DK>> patted the not particularly enlightened on the head (with software :) ),
AM> And informational printed and electronic support.
Well, the printed one will be a little expensive... :( Although there seems to be such a thing :)
AM> Yes, we have a lot of cool ones (Mazday coolness). =:-EE
Of course, coding cool is good, but why shake your pussy at every
convenient and inconvenient occasion? Such “cool” ones are annoying.
DK>> with big(!) figures, it’s a pity that the demo didn’t go further).
AM> What the hell, they’re cool, they gave a Prerelease and that’s enough. Look
AM> spoil the user.
Here, here :( Although not too long ago in ZXNET.GAMES there was a proposal to
transfer the source code if someone decided to finish it (allegedly everything was almost ready), no one took it... :(
DK>> I’m not a particularly strong coder, but I can create graphics.
AM> Create;-)
Give me a theme and I’ll create it! ;)
DK>> users will be satisfied
DK>> some decent boot thread.
AM> But it will not suit programmers. And the OS is needed at least
AM> because
AM> makes all the same programming easier. Yes, new computers
AM> without it 0.
Well, here they are... Again, grist for the encoder's mill, and the user is again overboard. That's how it's always been. I agree, the best programming conditions are better software, but until the OS
reaches everyone (or at least the majority), until the programmers master it, and until
they write something!... The user will have left completely by then, the user is not able
to wait, especially if he knows that somewhere there is a new OS, but he doesn’t have it,
somewhere they write for the OS, but it’s not available to him, and besides They stopped making software focused on the good old OS. A person will simply send everything to ... and go
to a more “beautiful” PC, or will forget about the computer altogether.
AM> As for toys, I love that, but I’ve already gotten enough of the demos.
And I love both.
AM> Hmm, we have a lot of good programs, huh? And I agree about
AM> the prevalence of
AM>.
There are good programs, and you don’t need too many of them (although it wouldn’t hurt :)) and
such programs (gams) play a good role. I personally know a person who BOUGHT a
ZX128 (previously he had a 48 and he had already scored) because he saw my “Crow”!
Enthusiasmit lasted for about half a year - a year, now, having played enough of "Crow" and not getting any new steering games, he begins to score. This is why, first of all
it is necessary to support gaming, high-quality software, and when it accumulates, you can
pursue the OS.
Oh, well, the GURU is right in all your beautiful feathers. And where do people like this come from? Tell me, how can you humiliate a person who has no knowledge in some area? Why not calmly point out his mistakes instead and explain the whole point? And as you say, on the Spectrum
there will only be cool coders who will begin to crush each other with their authority. What's good about this?
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Before you buy.
>>> I think that you shouldn’t waste your energy on a matter with a dubious result
>>> (I outlined my
>>> considerations above), it’s better to make a good game and preferably 3D
>>> - this is
>>> impressive :) . And the noise is always relevant and will suit everyone.
AB>> No, you need to write an OS. And in parallel and after the program and even the game under
r> Oh, well, the GURU is right in all your beautiful feathers. And where do people like this
r> come from?
Gurus in their “childhood” are not lame. They sit quietly and study. It’s hard for me to
imagine the same Vlodek yelling “RK-86 - Mazda, Spectrum - rulez!”
r> Tell me, how can you humiliate a person in some area
r> who doesn’t know anything?
If he realizes his ignorance, then only a lamer will humiliate him.
r> Why not instead calmly show
r> his mistakes and explain the whole point?
You look like you don't understand. Have you tried to point out the lamer's mistakes? Try. He
will start shouting that everything is right with him, he is always right, he will go so far as to insult
and as a result you simply will not want to communicate with him. Why? If a person does not
accept criticism.
r> And since you are arguing on the Spectrum
r> there will only be cool coders who will begin to put pressure on each other
r> with their authority. What's good about this?
Do you want teapots to run around? The Spectrum has always been a machine for the chosen few - those who are able to assemble such a “beast” for themselves and are able to tame it.
Those who used it as a toy have long gone to all sorts of shogi and
megadrives.
And why are only the coders “cool”? Has everyone already forgotten about the iron workers?
WBR, Vladimir.
AM> There are good programs, and you don’t need too many of them (although it wouldn’t hurt
AM> :)) and such programs (gams) play a good role. I personally know
AM> a person who BOUGHT a ZX128 (previously he had 48 and he had already scored)
AM> because he saw my “Crow”! The enthusiasm was enough for about half a year - a year, now, having played enough of "Crow" and not receiving new steering games, he begins to score. This is why, first of all, it is necessary
AM> to support gaming, high-quality software, and when it accumulates
AM> you can take up the OS.
Eat well. :)
Well, if Slava had made ChV-2, then everything would have died out for a couple of months, everyone would have played until they were blue in the face. I don't see anything good in this. Do you think coders should sit and churn out games? In Gense? You also want to untie your hands. And for some people
they are not suitable for making toys at all.
WBR, Vladimir.
AM> Why? Such a statement is tantamount to “do you have a perfect, or
AM> do you not need Spec?”.
No. Perfect - using basic capabilities. A new OS or, let's say, a hardware bells and whistle is an expansion of the machine's capabilities.
AM> I repeat, there are people who simply will not be able
AM> to get a new OS,
But they will not be able to get software for it. I repeat: nothing will change for them.
AM> there are those who are satisfied with TR-DOS and they are not
AM> going to rack their brains in search of and mastering a new OS
But in any case, they remain in the last century if what
they already have is enough for them.
AM> - they
AM> for example, do not have time, connections, money, etc. So, this means that
AM> they gave up on Spec???
It means they don’t care whether the platform develops or not. They don't want to
put in the effort to improve their system. We need to support them too,
but this will slow down the pace of development. And it’s not a fact that the work of our valiant coders will reach such people, because they don’t have time, connections, money.
AM> If you talk like that, it means that it’s _you_
AM> who gave up on Spec, since you don’t care who, how, when and even whether
AM> can get the OS.
Your reasoning is devoid of any logic. Because when you put it all together,then
it turns out that the one who stands up for development has scored.
WBR, Vladimir.
AB>> saw in
AB>> for the first time.
ZX is not a PC, you need to understand the situation. There is no time to accelerate. And there’s no point
comparing the starting positions of the vents and the new OS on the ZX - the vents were the first
(of their kind), but here, you know, everything has already faded away... By the way, you didn’t
answer the question you got into - what then?
VB> 5 less than
VB> a year and a half ago, and therefore, why the hell is it necessary?
It is necessary, if only because there are still spektrumists, there is ZXNet and there are
potential users. The OS is another matter, yes I agree - the OS does not meet the demand a little (IMHO), but it is NECESSARY to do it and make a fuss. It's enough to finish
DOOM and I'm sure it will give new blood. And if after some time
you add a normal, big Mortal Kombat (the one that stopped in the demo) -
it will be absolutely cool. And just in case the second “Raven” will be finished, add to this the work of other masters and you get a pretty decent prospect. And
if the question arises about who will write for this, then there is a simple answer - you can
still make money on software, just the software must be of high quality (personally, without
hesitation, I paid $2 for “ChV”).
r>> they will start putting pressure on each other.
Here, here.
r>> What’s good about this?
Nothing, only VK doesn’t want to understand this.
VK> Do you want teapots to run around? Spectrum always
Do you want only the cool ones?
VK> to be a car for the elite - those who are able to assemble such a
VK> “beast” and are able to tame it. Those who used it
VK> as a toy have long gone to all sorts of Shogi and megadrives.
VK> And why are only the coders “cool”? Has everyone already forgotten
VK> about the hardware people?
You contradict yourself - if Spec is only for those who can assemble it themselves
and in addition also cheat for themselves, then who will need your services as a hardware guy
or programmer? But if you do something and show it to someone, then spit will immediately fly from all sides - because everyone is cool and everyone wants to show
their coolness, like you, for example. This philosophy is precisely what is deadly for Specky, and it is precisely because of such reasoning that Specky is now experiencing an outflow of users. And also - if you follow your words, then I _in principle_
cannot write this letter - I’m not a cool coder (I personally can’t say about
myself that I’m a coder at all), I’m not a hardware guy, what then am I doing on Specky??? Yes
even on ZXNet??? Yes, following from your words, there is simply no place for me here! SoWhat,
should I switch to “dandy”?
This is a way of writing programs (philosophy?). The main idea is that the code is distributed freely and freely. It is also freely allowed to make changes.
In this case, this is valuable, because GNU systems have a lot of experience in How to
write free and open source programs. Using the network,
of course. The greatest value is the workflow of centralized
program writing.
Apache, Netscape/Mozilla, Linux and a good
part of programs for Linux and not only are written this way or almost this way. About a year ago, an internal melkosoft document (memo) was leaked, which concluded that it was GNU that posed the greatest threat to the company.
Other materials can be found at www.gnu.org
I have a hard time imagining how to blur THIS into the echo.
Alex Bairov.
>Yes, I was a teapot, but I don’t
>remember my fiddling and unwillingness to listen to my elders. Explain to me what is the benefit of the platform from people who don't
want to learn
and at the same time behave like the coolest and smartest. Although at the same time
possess
>a very small amount of knowledge. What will you do with them?
You think absolutely correctly. But from what you said, I understood that all people
who don’t tinker with software or hardware are lamer. Those. these are simple users (although I myself don’t understand how you can sit on the Spectrum and not understand it, I tinkered with it myself once, I burned two cars in my time :)). But if you meant
only the loud ones, then here you are right.
> r> Oh, well, the GURU is right in all your beautiful feathers. And where do these
> r> come from?
>Gurus in “childhood” are not lame. They sit quietly and study. It’s hard for me to imagine the same Vlodek yelling “RK-86 - Mazda, Spectrum - rulez!”
It’s generally hard for me to imagine that he would ever be able to even raise his voice to “Lamera”. Although maybe I'm wrong.
^^^
VK> Yeah, of course. :) So I believed it. :). :)
=-) Be healthy, don't cough. (-=
Andrew Demyanenko
boni...@e-mail.ru
After his conversations, only curves will remain :-)))
VK> Do you want teapots to run around? The Spectrum has always been a machine
And why not?
VK> for
VK> the chosen ones - those who are able to assemble such a “beast” and are able to tame it
VK> Those who used it as a toy have long gone to all sorts of shogi and
VK> megadrives.
VK> And why are only the coders “cool”? Has everyone already forgotten about the iron workers?
And the iron workers have a special layer, don’t touch them!!!
With respect, Alex.
AD> ^^^
VK>> Yeah, of course. :) So I believed it. :)
AD> Well, well, if it’s any consolation, this “ALL” doesn’t apply to you F-)
And to Vlodek! :)
But seriously, it’s difficult
to imagine many people involved in the Spectrum as screaming pioneers. At least a little bit.
WBR, Vladimir.
6.05.2000 at 14:26 Andreas Kaiser wrote to All:
AK> You think absolutely correctly. But from what you said, I understood that all
AK> people who don’t tinker with software or hardware are lamer.
You misunderstood :)
They have too little and mostly fragmentary knowledge. Such people
cannot teach good things. It’s quite possible to do anti-advertising on the platform. The only thing is to drive them into “reservations”, attach a money-producing machine on one side, and a direct channel to the software authors on the other. :)
And don’t let it go! :)
AK> That is. these are simple
AK> users (although I myself don’t understand how you can sit on the Spectrum and not
AK> understand it, I tinkered with it myself once, at one time I burned two cars
AK> :)). But if you meant only the loud ones, then you are right here.
The loud ones, giving incorrect information, unwilling to learn.
And the one who wants to learn - let him learn. Let him ask. It just often happens
that a person asks for help, and in response, spit flies.
VK>> lamer.
AM> Aw!!! Lamers aka users are needed and .
Read my conversation with Andreas.
AM> This is about to get to the point of insults.
Show an example :)
AM> In general, the subject was not written about
AM> this.
But we still need to increase the traffic :)
AM> Post the questionnaire again, eh?
You can write another questionnaire. And you can enter the answers to the questionnaire yourself - from the discussion of the subject they are more than obvious. People need "gams" for old OS and
hardware. This is seen as an extension of the life of the platform.
VK>> shogi and megadrives. And why are only coders “cool”? Has everyone already forgotten about the iron workers?
AM> And the iron workers have a special layer, don’t touch them!!!
So, sometimes I move iron myself. :)
WBR, Vladimir.
AM>> pipiska at
VK> Why are you pestering writers? Are hardware workers not people anymore?
We are talking about “cool” people in general, it doesn’t matter whether they are a coder or a hardware person.
VK> You eat well. :)
Well then! :)
VK> Well, if Slava had made ChV-2, then everything would have died out for a couple
VK> of months, everyone would have played until
VK> they were blue in the face. I don't see anything good in this. Coders
And I see that this will give an impetus, new blood. Do you remember how life became livelier after
"ChV1"?
VK> do you think they should sit around and churn out games? In Gense? Unleash
Why in gens? Why take extremes? And there is no need to stamp - you need quality, not quantity.
VK> you also want your hands. And for some, they are not at all suitable for making toys.
But for those who are not suitable, let them make system software, but why agitate everyone
for this business? There are people who can write good romps and they have proven this more than once, there are also those who want to write romps so why not
help them with this? And there are also those who can write at all, so they need to be
united to create a good din.
VK> And then someone tried to teach them...
Yes, so you tried.
VK> If everyone consumes, then who will produce?
An extreme again. Don't you understand that demand creates supply? If there are
a lot of consumers, then there will be producers, and there will be more of them than now,
because it will become profitable.
VK> It’s easier to recruit 100 lamers than to recruit 20 programmers.
But if 100 lamers pay at least one programmer/hardware worker, this
will dramatically change the situation for the better.
VK> But to copy files, etc. operations with them
VK> to do. But this is no longer a boot.
I put it on disks as a boot.
VK> The development of the platform is the development of both software and hard. The
VK> 128K/3.5Mhz configuration has already been squeezed out of everything.
But _EVERYONE_ has it, but how many people do you know who want
to radically change the platform (there is a different percentage or a completely different OS in the ROM)?
For example, I don’t want to.
VK> Yes, they have been living in the last century for a long time. He will not know about the new
VK> OS, nor will he know about the software for it. For him, nothing
VK> will change.
Exactly - _nothing_, and he will throw away Spec.
VK> or, say, a hardware bloat - expanding the capabilities of the
VK> machine.
The OS does not expand the capabilities - the assembler is the same, but the hard drive is a different matter. But
who will decide to radically change their computer? Small things are another mattercompletions - SD,
mouse, modem, printer, etc.
VK> But they will not be able to get software for it. I repeat: for them
VK> nothing will change.
See. above.
VK> But in any case, they remain in the last century, if
VK> what they already have is enough for them.
Not at all. Here is "ChV" for example - I think that this is the coolest hubbub today, but it nevertheless supports the most normal, average Spec.
VK> it is not a fact that the works of our
VK> valiant coders will reach such people, because they do not have time, connections, money.
They will - if you support the lamers, then establishments like "Miko" will appear, and they will find out about such people
"hermits".
VK> Your reasoning is devoid of any logic. Because if
VK> we put everything together, it turns out that the one who stands up for
VK> development has given up.
No, it’s yours who are devoid of logic - you seem to be advocating for Speck, but if you think about the
possible results of such “reforms”, then it becomes clear that it’s because of such
approaches that the Spec.
5.05.2000 at 23:40 Anton Matyuhin wrote to Vladimir Klymus:
Due to the fact that the discussion is approaching off-topic, the full answer was lost
soap.
Hmm. Even if I’m so bad, I extinguish all the lamers, put users under benches,
and just kill everyone else with a finger (even my team has one :))), then
it doesn’t change anything - there are lamers and they’re not really needed. Because:
a) they don’t do anything;
b) they don’t want to learn.
And a replacement OS (but not an add-on) TR-DOS is still needed. Multitasking is funny. Why?
I would leave compatibility with TR-DOS (more precisely, with #3d13), but this is an extra headache
for the authors of the axis.
In any case, hardware changes will have to be made. How else can Speck's life be extended? New "din"? This will be a prolongation of agony, not life.
If someone thinks that the current state of affairs is enough, that is his right.
But we should not be equal to such people. If Intel, for example, followed
those who only need an 8086, then within a year some
i8086-300 would go into production.
Everyone would be happy and everything would be compatible.
WBR, Vladimir.
AM> It is necessary, if only because there are still spektrumists, there is ZXNet and there are
AM> potential users. Another thing is the OS, yes I agree - the OS does not correspond to the demand a little (IMHO), but it is NECESSARY to do it and make a fuss. It's enough
AM> to finish DOOM and I'm sure it will give new blood. And if after
AM> some time we add a normal, big Mortal Kombat (the one that
AM> stopped at the demo) - it will be absolutely cool. And then just about the second
AM> "Crow" will be completed, add to this the work of other masters and it turns out
AM> a pretty decent prospect. And if the question arises about who will
AM> write for this, then there is a simple answer - you can still make money on the software,
AM> it’s just that the software must be of high quality (personally, I didn’t hesitate to pay $2 for
AM> “ChV”).
Nothing can go further than words from everything you mentioned, so you can wash it down with
cold water.
PS: And also, when I finish my two projects, I’m leaving the spec, I’m tired of it.
One of the products is already on the way. And with the second there is a problem... this of course
will sound wild ;) but I'm confused in the code, there are too many perversions...;)
Vladimir AKA Envoy/PHT
... The world of virtuality, the world of lawlessness
The personality and body dies in it... (c) mine
Hello, Anton!
Just now on 05-May-00 at 23:09:13, Anton Matyuhin was throwing rotten tomatoes
at Alex Bairov, while harping on something about Anketa.
Well, I butted in
AB>>> Have you guys even heard about OpenSource and GNU? If with
AB>>> head and authority, then it’s a powerful thing.
AM>> What is this? If there is, put it in the echo!?!
AM> Yes, what is it? As I understand it, this is some kind of PC bullshit, since it
AM> can be attached to a real Spec
This bullshit is much more extensive than the coverage of one platform, even
PC. And this bad thing means distribution of software in source form.
AM> But those who are not equipped may make system software, but
AM> why agitate everyone for this cause?
Who did the agitation? You started shouting about the need to make games. But look at the current programmers on Spec and name at least two authors who are preparing games. And where do they come from?
AM> There are people who can write
AM> good romps
Unfortunately, they exist, but not on Spec.
AM> and they have proven this more than once, there are those who want
AM> to write romps, so why not help them in this?
Who wants?
AM> And there are those who
AM> can write at all, so they need to be united to create a good one
AM> din.
You know the saying “where there are two Ukrainians, there are three hetmans”? This may well be addressed to all Slavs. Is the hint clear?
WBR, Vladimir.
In your opinion, all users are lamer?
> I don’t understand how you can sit on the Spectrum and not understand it, I myself
> tinkered with it once, at one time I burned two cars :)). But if you had
> Yes, what is this? As I understand it, this is some kind of PC thread, so how can it be attached to
> a real Spec?
OpenSource - actually, open sources, and GNU - a sort of General Public
License.
AM> The benefits for the manufacturer from them are greater than from the “cool” ones.
On PC you have to be very, very cool (that’s right, without quotes) so as not to depend on the manufacturer of software and hard. Or are you proposing to manufacture multilayer boards and chips using 0.18 micron technology on the knees?
AM> But there is not much real
AM> harm, no more than on the PC, and the PC does not suffer from the
AM> influx of lamers, on the contrary.
The PC “suffers” from something else - high technology is put on the conveyor belt,
its cost is relatively low, and there are no potential buyers among
the “horseless” is the sea.
By the way, about horse teapots. Have you forgotten how a couple of years ago everyone was making fun of them and their Windows? Even a certain stereotype emerged. They were having fun and went to... Amiga. :)
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Wednesday May 10, 2000 Andrew Demyanenko wrote to Anton Matyuhin:
AD> This bullshit is much more extensive than the coverage of one platform,
AD> even
AD> PC. And this bullshit implies the distribution of software in the form
AD> of source codes.
Thanks, I already figured it out, and I myself remembered something from what I heard :) Thanks again.
See you later, Anton.
... drink some beer and drink for us. (C) Scriabin
Strange things are happening here, today a bunch of April letters came out! Where
got stuck?..
Hello, Felix!
April 30, 2000 Alexandr Machkasovskij wrote here:
AM>>> there were enough words about all sorts of new OS, but
AM>>> for some reason they are not
AM>>> visible.
FK>> Wake up. ;) For Speck (domestic), iS-DOS has become de facto.
AM> This is an OS, and I think that this is a program that likes to work
AM> with other floppy disk formats.
Very apt definition! ;)
AM> And in general, it’s really possible to create something cool under this (the language doesn’t
AM> dare to say that this is an OS)
Personally, I’m delighted with the Wild.
And most importantly, you can use the screw.
FK>> Now is not the time to write a new axis, it’s too late.
You’re in vain. It will be too late when there are no real people left at all.
And now we need a new axis, and in the meantime we need software for is-dos.
All the best.
Roman.
[ZX]
RM> You are in vain. It will be too late when there are no real people left at all.
RM> And now we need a new axis, but in the meantime we need software for is-dos.
and which, unfortunately, no one writes:-[[[.
For this Au Revoire, CompoWellcome. [Team GS]
ND> and which, unfortunately, no one writes:-[[[.
Well, for example, I don’t like it...
p.s. Nicolas, nothing got on the soap, but I said above about no soap...
Well, bye! Tigrr from -■Brainwave^X-Project■-
IT> By the way, about the wild ones, can anyone tell me how to deploy .img to disk?
IT> At least
naturally the prog image.com is in dossiness...
Speaking of the wild one: even though it started to disappoint me... :-(, at speeds above 16800
it clearly loses to Melon :(((
Or maybe it’s my hands that are crooked - set it up correctly I can’t? :-\
IT> on PC, even on Specky, just please don’t throw anything with soap - we have glitches with
IT> on it :(
do bosses don’t like Yuyuks? :-)
ND> At least
ND> naturally in despair the image.com program...
ND> Speaking of the wild: even though it began to disappoint me... :-(, at speeds above
ND> 16800 it clearly loses to Melon :(((
People, I’m probably behind advanced technologies, so can you tell me,
what kind of wild one is this? As I understand it, it’s a soaper? Then can I blur it into
origin, please.
Let’s write again, Nicolas!
But it seems wild with nmi, and melon without them? Sterminal is melancholy, as the terminal loses in speed, since nmi does not use... cps ~800 on momed at 14400, and the
terminal has ~1300-1600...
IT> But it seems wild with nmi, and melon without them? Sterminal's melon is like a terminal by
so what?
IT> loses speed, since nmi does not use... cps ~800 on momed at 14400,
IT> and
IT> at the terminal ~1300-1600...
in the terminal, the cps detector is terribly buggy... don't trust it :-)
y me in Melon at a speed of 26400 DSP ~2700... (calculated, naturally, manually)
IT>> and at the terminal ~1300-1600...
ND> in the terminal the CPU detector is terribly buggy... don’t trust it :-)
This is not based on it, but on the pre-navigator terminal... And the terminal showed me less than
once when there was a glitch in the line and a subsequent failure in the transmission cps=65535 :)
ND> in my Melon at a speed of 26400 the DSP is ~2700... (calculated, of course,
ND> manually)
In my Melon the modem on the shelf works poorly at speeds higher than 14400 - the characters
disappear.
Once upon a time, Mon May 29, 2000, Igor Turashev and Nicolas Davidov thought on the topic:
Anketa
IT>>> And if not? You can go to bw_...@mail.ru?
ND>> Will it get there?
IT> Where the hell will it go? True, I've had it for about a week and a half or two and haven't checked it :)
I'll send it somehow...
ND> :-) in my Melon at a speed of 26400 the DSP is ~2700... (calculated,
ND> naturally, manually)
...You surprised me! I didn't know this was possible. Didn't you miscalculate? ;)
The developer said that in Melon it is not worth locking the port to more than 19200, because
the percentage will not have time to rake out the data...
All the best.
Roman.
[ZX]
So Melon the Myler does nothing else except scrape data from the modem...
All the best.
Roman.
[ZX]
ND> if only there was a mailer in the terminal... but only from it? even 512x192 does not
ND> support :-(
In addition, there is no zmodem auto, no yatsuken/yaverta and some other useful
things... Just write your terminal... :)
IT>> characters disappear.
ND> but it works great for me on the 57600 :-) no disappearances :)
It’s probably in the mailer. It’s invisible there, Z-modem corrects, and have you tried to climb the BBS yourself using a terminal
?
All the best.
Roman.
[ZX]
May 2, 2000 you wrote here:
KF>> Dead number. It is necessary to write software for the existing axis.
AM>> :-)
AM> I agree with FK - switching to another OS is a very painful thing
AM>. For example, not everyone
AM> has this OS, but there is software for it, then what? Some
AM> users will simply be left behind, and this is precisely what
AM> leads to loss of interest. And from the idea of saving Specky, maybe
AM> you will get just the opposite result.
In short, you and KF are driving a snowstorm here, saying there will be software, but there won’t be OSes. Are you completely driving away?
Our programmers will not do anything for the uncommon
OS. Why are they completely fools?
So our programmers will have to wait first distribution
OS, and then they will do something for the new OS, I’m telling you that
for sure.
All the best.
Sincerely, Vitaliy.
//The dollar exchange rate in Lisichansk is $5.47 for 1 hryvnia.
AB>> Distribute the OS and software for the OS. The windows were also once
AB>> seen for the first
AB>> time.
AB>> You need to take the existing OS as a basis.
VB> You don’t need to take anything, you don’t need to do anything! Why ?
VB> Tell me what is the meaning? Point your finger at who needs it, show
VB> me those people who
VB> will redo something for it.
Well, I need it, what next?
It’s really necessary. And the sooner the better.
IT>> Well, at least there should be a Dismaster... Aw!!! You promised a soaper!!!
DD> Do you remember what you promised? The piece of "PKUN1" still hasn't arrived :(
I remember, it's going to fly again today... We had a terrible thing going on with soap, so
here...
DD> And without it, NAM won't live to become independent. It doesn't make sense to throw
DD> at the people a new mailer, which has almost no capabilities after Melon
DD>.
Well, at least attach the fryaks - not difficult, and a lot of bloat :) By the way, what parts did you get? Now you can get away with it - it seems to be going well for now.
DD> Moreover, beta testers constantly give me shit about glitches...
Well, it’s always like that, nothing gets done without glitches...
IT> So in the wild there is no optimization for speed - they relied on us...
By the way, the wild itself does not work with the modem. Climbs to the modem dosx.com, dos xtender
this. Kondratyev threw the source codes into the echoes, I had them somewhere. Ruiner even optimized something there, it became better.
Who is stopping you from optimizing dosx?
WBR, Jason.
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IT> Well, at least attach the fryers - it’s not difficult, and it’s a lot of bloat :) By the way, what are you up to
Duc, they’ve been around for a long time :) True, without a tosser they’re still of little use, you have to
write the request by hand, but it works.
IT> did you get the parts? Now you can get into the soap - it seems to be walking for now.
Everything has arrived, thank you. I will put it into production ;)
VK> By the way, the wild one itself does not work with the modem. Climbs to the modem dosx.com, dos
VK> ixtender
I noticed this, only now something wild didn’t start for me :( It’s falling out in
48 BASIC...
VK> this. Kondratiev threw the source codes into echoes, I had them somewhere. Ruiner even
VK> optimized something there, it became better.
VK> Who’s stopping you from optimizing dosx?
Well, I don’t like the source code - one, I don’t have source codes - two, I don’t use wild ones -
three... And so, in principle, no one even bothers...
IT>> Well, at least attach the fryaks - it’s not difficult, and there’s a lot of bloat :) By the way, which ones are up to you
DD> So, they’ve been around for a long time :) True, without a tosser they’re still of little use, the request
DD> has to be written by hand, but it works.
Do you mean a complete req? God forbid! :)
YT> And on what port, or maybe you can create a circuit?
So Teslenko appeared. And as always in the tank :)
You were told about this a year and a half ago. We take two bits of port #7FFD and
three more bits #DFFD. We get four megabytes together or two standards separately. But why?
WBR, Vladimir.
VK> So Teslenko appeared. And as always in the tank :)
I will send you soon...
VK> You were told about this a year and a half ago. We take two categories
WHEN? Who? I have never heard this!!!
VK> port #7FFD and three more digits #DFFD. We get four megabytes together
Oh, ass, as always. Soon all standards will merge into a single one.
VK> or two standards separately. But why?
Whoa. You don't need anything. We are dying. We need to update the percentage.
Bye, Yuri.
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IT> And we will hope and believe... :) If only we could support nmi for the Kondratieff scheme
IT> - the DSP can be kept up to 3000 when receiving/transmitting... If everything
IT> is done correctly, obviously...
Maybe... I just won’t have anywhere to check nmi - we don’t have them in /461
at all.
IT>> support - the DSP can be kept up to 3000 when receiving/transmitting... If everything
IT>> is done correctly, of course...
DD> Maybe... I just won’t have anywhere to check nmi - we don’t have them in /461
DD> at all.
Well, I can check nmi too - I’m almost the only one (out of 3 :) in
5052 implemented flawlessly...
VK>> together
YT> Oh, ass, as always.
Either prove it or apologize.
YT> Soon all standards will merge into one.
What do you want? So that each Uncle Vasya has his own port for his super-duper
bells and whistles?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
VK> These will be problems of your psyche. Those who wanted to do something - already
Izvii, but you know how to get it.
VK> did it, and don’t yell in all the echoes.
If he had known, he would have scored anyway :(( Because no one in Lvov needs anything :((
Meter made it six months ago, if not more, - only ordered one SS for himself. And
that’s it!
why not - it is likely that both options have their own bug features
and each goes according to its own... IMHO, of course
VK> I don’t know who is dying there, but to do more than a meter on Speck in the configuration
^^^^^^^^ Well, gentlemen, you will agree to a common opinion
- well, what is it like for someone who, at the point of death (judging by your opinion), is between the earth
and the sky??? - you either bury or revive... don't talk
("don't try - do..." (c)Yoda - Star wars)
VK> 3.5(7)MHz/FDD/TR-DOS - not advisable.
Hmmm... I don't think that's the case - my junky pro has 4+ with 1meg of memory -
costs a CPU/M-80 and he still complains about the memory not enough... :( the main thing is that the memory
from such a volume does not stand idle and, moreover, that the piece of hardware has time to refresh all these
bags
...
and if it’s not a secret, what is the memory on? SIMMs or loose (not laughing)
however, due to the fact that I (alas to my deep regret) am not a spektrumist
you don’t even have to read
Sincerely, Alexander aka ramzes
PC - on work
BK-real - home, also as C64, CORVETTE
see you soon...
Snusmumriks are creatures that don’t want anything, burning in water, not drowning in fire
AR> Hmmm... I don’t think this is so - my trusted pro has 4+ with 1meg
AR> of memory - it costs a CPU/M-80 and he also complains that there is not enough memory... :(
So you can’t screw a CPU to every spec...
AR> the main thing is that the memory from such a volume does not stand idle and Moreover, so that
AR> the piece of iron has time to refresh all these bags... and if it’s not a secret to
Refresh - lyrics.
AR> than
AR> memory? unfortunately) not
AR> spektrumist
And this, by the way, can be fixed! Join the ranks of the reals.
AR> you don’t even have to read
Eh, that should have been said at the beginning :) Otherwise I’ve already read it :))
r> Hmmm... I don’t think that’s the case - my crazy pro has 4+ with 1meg of memory -
r> has a CPU/M-80 and he still complains that there’s not enough memory... :( the main thing is that
memory
Shows off! :) A meter is normally enough for me, many programs still
don’t understand it...
r> from such a volume it doesn’t idle and, moreover, so that the piece of iron had time to refresh all these
r> bags...
Yes, at our frequencies it’s normal at least 96 meters :)
r> and if it’s not a secret, what is the memory on? SIMMs or loose stuff (not a laugh)
Well, you'll get sick of loose stuff... So that no one
wants to solder 4 meters of RU7mi - 128 cases? ;) And there are no problems with simamai, I have a meter, if I suddenly decide I need to put 4, but for now it’s too hard to even think about it :)