about ZED...
ZXNet echo conference «real.speccy»
Having sat down at the keyboard, I decided to draw a letter for you All.
Here the situation arose, I finally asked KLIM to send me the sources for
fido, and so that he wouldn’t have to suffer with UUE, he told him to just attach the file.
But the problem is that you can’t change the attributes of the letter along the way in ZED!
Accordingly, attach is screwed up :(. Or Did we not understand something?!
Wiz zE BeSt WisHeZ 2 U!
-=JoCkeR/OmEga HaCkErS Grp/1998year=-
Hi Andy!
Thu May 21, 1998 18:54, Andy Harchenko wrote to All:
AH> Here the situation arose, I finally asked KLIM to send me the sources for fido, and so that he would not suffer with UUE, he said
AH> to just attach the file. But the problem is that in the process
AH> in ZED you cannot change the attributes of the letter! Accordingly, attach
AH> is screwed up :(. Or did we not understand something?!
IMHO according to FIDO, attaches only run within one node. Most likely it was
nailed somewhere ;)
Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov
AH> send me the sources for
AH> fido, well, so that he doesn’t have to suffer with UUE, he said to just
AH> attach the file.
And you are a dreamer ;) so that you can attach it...
AH> But the problem is that in ZED you can’t change
AH> the attributes of the letter! Accordingly, attach is covered :(. Or
AH> we didn’t understand something?!
You understood everything correctly! You could have thrown the terminal if you live in the same city.
Sincerely, Andrey.
... The hedgehog is a proud bird: if you kick it, it won’t fly!
Having sat down at the keyboard, I decided to draw a letter for you Andrey.
Once I was in a museum and there on an old, old stone an ancient man carved that
Saturday May 23, 1998 right at 11:38, Andrey Isaev wrote to Andy Harchenko:
AI> You understood everything correctly! You could also throw a terminal if you live in the same
AI> city.
Uh-huh, no matter how hard we tried, with our lines and ATs it doesn’t work, and the
attachment doesn’t seem to be working :(
AI> Sincerely, Andrey.
AI> IMHO according to FIDO, attachments only go within one node.
AI> Most likely it was nailed somewhere ;)
IMHO ZED can’t do that at all!
All the best.
With respect Roman Milukov.
RM> IMHO ZED can’t do this at all!
Our attachments are driven via the Internet, since there is no need to manually link and split.
Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov
AI> You got it all right! You could also throw a terminal if
AI> you live in the same
AI> city.
AH> Yeah, no matter how hard we tried with our lines and ATKs
AH> it doesn’t work, and the attachment doesn’t work :(
Option number two: walk with your feet and take it (take it) :)
AH> just attach the file. But the problem is that according to the
AH> move
AH> in ZED you cannot change the attributes of the letter! Accordingly
AH> attach
AH> is covered :(. Or did we not understand something?!
AI> Option number two: walk with your feet and pick it up (carry it) :)
Heh, if you walk from one end of the city to the other every time, then your feet
will quickly wear out :))
I wish I could have looked at his complexion, if only he was flailing about over every little thing =)
AI> --- Evil dED1.02b---
And the grandfather is really evil =(
AI> * Origin: For the world - Peace, For the student - Beer! (2:5026/18.42)
And for us ?
Sorry, we brought fresh beer...
/ musicmaker \
__KLIM/Omega Hackers Group/MFA'98__
KC> You obviously forgot to add - “can’t do it yet.” :)
KC> Someone will do it....
You need to do not just zed, but also soap, and why is that? You can also use the terminal
throw.
That's right. Why write the entire package from scratch (but it would be necessary ;) if you can
rewrite one editor file in ZED...
With the best, Denis.
AI> You need to do not just a zed, but also a soaper, and why would that be?
AI> You can also throw a terminal
AI>.
Along the intercity?
In any case, setting a flag for the letter is necessary. Not always, but it may come in handy.
With that, Andrey, let me say goodbye.
KIR.
Hello, Kirill!
30 May 98 Kirill Chubenko, hoping that Andrey Isaev would read, wrote:
AI> you can throw it with the terminal.
KC> Intercity?
Otzh! And besides, you have to sit at the computer at the same time!
KC> In any case, setting a flag for the letter is necessary. Not
KC> always, but it might come in handy.
Definitely!
AI>> IMHO, according to FIDO, attachments only go within one node.
AI>> Most likely it was nailed down somewhere ;)
AI> Well, you’re in vain, we have them all over 5026.
RM> IMHO ZED doesn’t know how to do that at all!
KC> You obviously forgot to add - “doesn’t know how yet”. :)
KC> Someone will do it....
AI> You need to do not just a zed, but also a soaper, and why would that be?
AI> You can also throw a terminal
AI>.
With that, Roman, let me say goodbye.
KIR.
With this, Andrey, let me say goodbye.
KIR.
DD> Correct. Why write the entire package from scratch (and it would be necessary ;) if
DD> you can
DD> rewrite one editor file in ZED...
So what was the matter?
With that, Denis, let me say goodbye.
KIR.
KC> At least: PVT, KILL_SEND (or whatever it is...)
Yes, you basically need these: KillSend, Send, Hold, Lock, Pvt.
You can also FileRequest.
Wi7h be57 Wi5he5, FK0.
-+- SMM version 1.08
RM> Definitely!
KC> And here they are convincing me of the opposite...
KC> Will we vote? ;)
No need. Just let anyone who convinces otherwise not use this
opportunity if it is unnecessary for him.
I am completely confident that when some kind of alternative to ZED appears, it
will definitely be able to put up flags. :)
KC> always, but it might come in handy.
RM> Definitely!
KC> And here they are convincing me of the opposite...
KC> Shall we vote? ;)
KC> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
KC> And in general, look at what’s noted. ;)
Well, why make extra features if they are .... unnecessary, and the 'argument' you noted is not relevant.
Sorry, ppi brought fresh beer...
/ musicmaker \
__KLIM/Omega Hackers Group/MFA'98__
Freku, attach.
AI> Well, why make extra features if they are ... unnecessary,
AI> and the 'argument' you marked is not relevant.
I NEED the ability to frag a file!
KC> So what was the issue?
Exclusively due to time.
Good luck! Evgeny.
■ The night is shorter than the day... The day will kill me... The world of illusions burns down in it. (C) Aria.
I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Evgeny!
Mon Jun 08 1998, Evgeny Milun squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach Kirill Chubenko
:
EM> Exclusively for the time.
Wow! Has the echo crawled to you too?!
Hasta la vista.
Tim Kelly
RM> No need. Just let anyone who convinces otherwise not
RM> use this
RM> opportunity if it is unnecessary for him.
Exactly right. ;)
RM> I am completely sure that when some
RM> alternative to ZED appears, it
RM> will definitely be able to set flags. :)
I hope this “alternative to ZED” will be able to do a lot...
And it will be under Is-Dos...!!! ;))))))))))))
AI> Well, why make extra features if they are... unnecessary,
AI> and the 'argument' you noted is not relevant.
KC> always, but it might come in handy.
RM> Definitely!
KC> And here they are convincing me of the opposite...
KC> Shall we vote? ;)
AI> Well, why make extra features if they are... unnecessary,
AI> and the 'argument' you noted is not relevant.
Like "it will do anyway..."? Nooo... Not in order. Everything must be right, as it should be... ;)
But I was waiting for this!!! :). in turn
said
that he would do it. I don’t know for sure about attachments, but I think that the editor has nothing to do with it either.
2DD: soap doesn’t come to you, and therefore I’ll say here: make sure the soaper knows how to
send files whose names consist of numbers, otherwise it’s not like Bink will be able to freckle anything.
2EM: what’s wrong? FTS's?
DD> Correct. Why write the entire package from scratch (but it would be necessary ;) if
DD> you can
DD> rewrite one editor file in ZED...
KC>
KC> So what was the matter?
KC> Like “it will do anyway...”? Nooo... Not in order. It should be
Not “it will do”, but there is no need to make unnecessary features, you can’t
mention about freki...
KC> everything is correct, according to
KC> laid down... ;)
According to what rules? some guys many years ago developed some kind of standards, and we all have to comply with, apply, use them?
Hello, Kirill!
10 Jun 98 Kirill Chubenko was pinching in the hope that Andrey Isaev would read about
about ZED..., I read it and decided to answer:
Hello, Kirill!
10 Jun 98 Kirill Chubenko was pinching in the hope that Andrey Isaev would read about
about ZED..., I read it and decided to answer:
KC> Me too! :)
KC>
KC> With that, Andrey, let me say goodbye.
KC> KIR.
KC>
KC> --- About the EDITOR...
KC> * Origin: Write letters, send beer... (500:812/18)
DD> So there’s no one to push him. so this matter lies unattended
DD>...
So who is there to kick? ;)
AI> But I was waiting for this!!! :))) From the postal editor not
What?! When will _personally_ need this opportunity?? :))
If I found out something, I should have said it right away so that there were no extra markets!
AI> 2DD: soap doesn’t come to you, and therefore I’ll say here: do it
By the way! Indeed, soap doesn’t reach 461, or what? Maybe we should worry and
look for where the problem is?!
AI> WHO? WHERE? WHAT?
1. Dima Lomov + Oleg Grigoriev.
2. In St. Petersburg (and in Storm)
3. To begin with - in Typ-Dos, then, perhaps, they will convert it to their own
system.
RM> I NEED the ability to frag a file!
KC> Me too! :)
AI> I already wrote about this, the mail editor has nothing to do with it.
That’s great.
KC> everything is correct, according to
KC> as prescribed... ;)
AI> According to what regulations? some guys many years ago
AI> developed some
AI> standards, and we are all obliged to comply with, apply,
AI> use them?
Okay, okay. Hushed up. :)
KC> 1. Dima Lomov + Oleg Grigoriev.
KC> 2. In St. Petersburg (and in Storm)
KC> 3. To begin with - in Typ-Dos, then, perhaps, they will convert it to their own
KC> system.
I once wanted to do the same thing “from scratch”. But, IMHO, all this is empty...
It’s much easier to just change one overlay after another in ZED. The only problem
on this path is that ZED is not designed to work with long files.
Hello, Kirill!
18 Jun 98 Kirill Chubenko was chomping at the bit in the hope that Andrey Isaev would read about
Freki..., I read it and decided to answer:
KC> Threat, what about the previous letter? A test of the pen? ;)
KC> (completely corrected mine and the line “ytsuk”... 8)
No, these are glitches of the cached zed, he deletes the files incorrectly!
AI> Why? Is someone ever going to write a replacement for Zed?
KC> Not only are they going to, but they’re already writing.
AI> WHO? WHERE? In what?
KC> 1. Dima Lomov + Oleg Grigoriev.
KC> 2. In St. Petersburg (and in Storm)
KC> 3. To begin with - in Typ-Dos, then, perhaps, they will redo it
EM> I once wanted to do the same thing “from scratch”. But, IMHO,
EM> all this is empty...
Who knows...
EM> It is much easier to just change one overlay in ZED for
Whoever knows.
EM> to others. The only problem on this path is that ZED is not designed to work with long files. There are a lot of problems in ZED, but I don’t want to argue. They’ll do it, we’ll see, they won’t do it...
Well... So it will be ZED...
With that, Evgeny, let me say goodbye.
KIR.
KC> Threat, what about the previous letter? A test of the pen? ;)
KC> (completely mixed with mine and the line “ytsuk”... 8)
AI> Why? Is someone ever going to write a replacement for Zed?
KC> Not only are they going to, but they’re already writing.
AI> WHO? WHERE? In what?
KC> 1. Dima Lomov + Oleg Grigoriev.
KC> 2. In St. Petersburg (and in Storm)
KC> 3. To begin with - in Tyr-Dos, then, perhaps, they will remake
KC> under their own
KC> system.
KC> There are a lot of problems in ZED, but I don’t want to argue.
IMHO, of the fundamental ones - only this one (and even then, there is an idea how to
get around it). Everything else is the result of the fact that it is written in C... Well, except
that you can’t change the flags of letters...
KC> They will do it, we’ll see, they won’t do it... Well... So it will be ZED...
But what will it be like by that time... :)
EM> IMHO, of the fundamental ones - only this one (and even then, there is
EM> an idea of how this can be
EM> circumvented). Everything else is the result of the fact that it is written in
EM> C... Well, is it also
EM> that you can’t change the flags of letters...
Hmm... I also, for example, don’t like 64 characters, left-hand switching of
keyboard modes... And so far I can’t think of anything else... :)
KC> Threat, what about the previous letter? A test of the pen? ;)
KC> (completely quoted by me and the line “ytsuk”... 8)
AI> No, these are glitches of the cached zed, he deletes files incorrectly!