[0/10] SED_1_01.$B
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First, let me introduce myself: [TEAM GUITAR] [TEAM DRINK] [TEAM Gaza Strip-BEST!] [TEAM ... Not drinking in Russia is better than not drinking!
Max Dudnikov aka Darth Vader (Black Lord :)
At Speck for 7 years, at the assembler - 4 years.
Until the summer of '99, I was the organizer of the Chelyabinsk association 'Triumph', but left
Tedov due to the team's NOT desire to work at the pace that I considered
optimal for maintaining Speckie's life in our city. Now I am
the organizer of my team 'Orion Group'.
I was the only one in the city on
I finally completed, I hope, the latest version of the sprite editor 2*2 (there is no
desire to waste time on it again its next bells and whistles). bytes, and people get hemorrhoids because of a glitch :)
Well, reviews, of course, are eagerly awaited :)))
If someone needs an interface included in the subject, but not for beauty, but
for realwork, then write!!!
P.S. Очень нужен в помощь профессиональный программист (а лучше несколько :),
который хорошо знает свое дело, и выполняет обещанное в нужные сроки.
А то я один все обещанные проекты буду поднимать ну ооооочень медленно :(
Разрабатывается СУПЕР игра "Battle Tech" - стратегия, адвентюра, менеджер,
action, поэтому нужны все, кто может хоть чем-то помочь!
С уважением, Darth Vader/ Orion'99 04 Dec '99
Friday 24 December 1999 at 20:42:38
Max Dudnikov wrote to ALL on the topic "[0/10] SED_1_01.$B":
MD> A huge request - immediately report all glitches either in echo,
MD> or
MD> soap - it is possible that you need to change a couple of bytes, but people because glitch
MD> hemorrhoids :)
Well, it’s a glitch or not a glitch, you decide for yourself, but the inclusion of 48 ROMs with open
pages had to be done! Otherwise, running every time through USR0 from
128 BASIC can get quite boring :)
Well, that's all, Max, for now.
Alexander Groholsky was with you
aka Spawn
Last Masters Group/X-Project Association
27 Dec 99 00:33, Alexander Groholsky wrote to Max Dudnikov:
AG> Well, it’s up to you to decide whether it’s a glitch or not, but turning on 48 ROMs with
AG> open pages had to be done! Otherwise, running
AG> every time through USR0 from 128 BASIC can get quite boring :)
Well, the cool coder screwed up anyway!
res (iy+),4 ; it seems so, I might mess everything up,
the point is in the interrupt handling program.
Well, put ERRSP on the stack correctly!
Kirill Frolov. [ZX]
MD>> people
MD>> because of a glitch
MD>> hemorrhoids :)
uh-huh, it doesn’t work for me, due to incorrect processing ...
kempston :(
Good luck, Max Dudnikov !
Anton Kriwoshea aka $k1v/M7H (orp.'99.
MD>>> people get hemorrhoids because of a glitch :)
AK> yeah, it doesn’t work for me, due to improper processing...
AK> Kempston :(
Larchenko and Rodionov should really be scanned
and posted in the echo...
Kirill Frolov. [ZX]
29 Dec 99 01:10, Max Dudnikov wrote to Alexander Groholsky:
MD> To ALL: Why is everyone silent??? I thought at least the real people would respond about
MD> the subject, but no, everyone is silent again :(((
Well, for me too - everything hangs, nothing works. Because of Kempston,
your program thinks that the joystick is moving. And instead of the joystick
I have a PC<->ZX LINK. Only not all the bits are used there, you can
understand that there is no joystick. And in general you can write a correct
procedure for processing the joystick and identifying it.
And so only the music plays. You wrote that it was written for real spec?
So nothing, it only works in the emulator.
MD> Really not? coders/artists/scriptwriters who would help
MD> implement the most sophisticated project in Speck's life???
29 Dec 99 04:41, Leonid Mishankov wrote to Kirill Frolov:
AG>>> ROMs with open pages had to be made! Otherwise, running
AG>>> every time through USR0 from 128 BASIC can get very boring
AG>>> :)
KF>> Well, the cool coder screwed up anyway!
LM> Who told you that he’s cool?
Well, it’s a mega-project of the 21st century, I don’t remember what game it’s on there hasn't been one like this in the Spectrum yet
... And there won't be, I'm sure there won't be, it won't be completed.
KF>> res (iy+),4 ; it seems like this, I might mess everything up,
LM> RES 4,(IY+1)
You see how the enemy computers are brainwashed, all the mnemonics
then get confused. Don't sit on a tree stump...
Kirill Frolov. [ZX]
27 Dec 99 (and it was then 00:33)
Alexander Groholsky in his letter to Max Dudnikov wrote:
MD>> A huge request - immediately report all glitches either to
MD>> echo, or with soap - it is possible that a couple of bytes need to be changed, and people
MD>> will suffer from hemorrhoids because of a glitch :)
A> Well, it’s a glitch or not a glitch, you can decide for yourself, but the inclusion of 48 ROMs with
A> open pages had to be done! Otherwise, launching every time through
A> USR0 from 128 BASIC can get quite boring :)
You are the second person to complain to me about this, but in our city NOTHING like this has been noticed
! The subject was tested on Profi 256-1024, Scorpion 256 and Pentagon
128, everything started and worked both in 128 mode and in extended mode, of course on
those machines that have it. Try to grunt it, and please write in which specific place this happens!
To ALL: Why is everyone silent??? I thought at least real people would respond about the subject
One day on Monday December 27, 1999 at 00:22:46, while wiping a hot modem
with a wet rag, I
noticed how Kirill Frolov and Max Dudnikov were arguing on the topic [0/10] SED_1_01.$B:
AG>> Well, is it a glitch, or not a glitch for you decide for yourself, but the inclusion of 48 ROMs with
AG>> open pages had to be done! Otherwise, running
AG>> through USR0 from 128 BASIC every time can get quite boring :)
28 Dec 99 (and it was 02:47 then)
Kirill Frolov in his letter to Max Dudnikov wrote:
MD>> To ALL: Why is everyone silent??? I thought at least the real people would respond about
MD>> the subject, but no, everyone is silent again :(((
K> Well, for me too - everything hangs, nothing works. Because of Kempston,
K> your program thinks that the joystick is moving. And instead of the joystick
K> I have a PC<->ZX LINK. But not all the bits are there are used, you can understand that there is no joystick. And in general, you can write a correct procedure for processing the joystick and identifying it.
What are you all??? the key combination is like 'Symbol Shift+K', so
it turns on/off this notorious Kempston! And the XT-keyboard is also turned off by default, so that no one swears... You sent me confirmation that such glitches happen because of Kempston, then I'll believe it!
I'll check, of course, I'll put this RES (IY+1), 4, but I I’m sure that there can’t be a problem because of
Campston. What else were you saying about ERRSP?
To ALL: let’s immediately make all the comments on the subject - correct something there, etc.
while I got into it!
K> And so only musicplays. Did you write that for real-spec it is written
K>? So no big deal, it only works in the emulator.
Have all the Speckies of Chelyabinsk already become emulators??? Current emulators told me that turbo-loader/saver doesn’t work, and no one else complained that something was wrong there! I say again, in our city there were NO problems either with the launch of the subject or with Kempston!
MD>> Are there really no coders/artists/screenwriters who could help
MD>> implement the most sophisticated project in Speck’s life??? I DO NOT BELIEVE!!!
K> No one needs games, this is kindergarten.
This is yours youmho!
K> + Origin: I am the Absolute Monarch and the stars obey me... (2:5030/827.2)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ megalomania not strong enough?
LM>> And who told you that he’s cool?
K> Well, it’s a mega-project of the 21st century, I don’t remember what game, there hasn’t been one like this on the Spectrum yet
K>... And it won’t, I’m sure it won’t, it won’t finish.
Listen, are you taking me for a sucker? I told you that there will be a game, so it will happen and I won’t repeat it again! Nobody wants to help, so I will do it with my
team, it will take longer obviously, but it WILL WORK!
Already practically WITHOUT respect, Darth Vader/ Orion'99 29 Dec 99
Wednesday 29 December 1999 at 01:10:16
Max Dudnikov wrote to Alexander Groholsky on the topic "[0/10] SED_1_01.$B":
MD> You are the second person to tell me about this, but in our city NOTHING
MD> anything like this has been noticed! The subject was tested on Profi 256-1024,
MD> Scorpion 256 and Pentagon 128, everything started and worked both in 128
MD> mode and in extended mode, of course on those machines where it is.
And they launched from what? From the boot? Try to launch it manually from TR-DOS!
MD> Try to crack it, and please write in which
MD> specific place this happens!
In short, I did a little digging and discovered that the main unit is not
unpacked correctly. I haven’t really checked what’s being unpacked into pages, maybe
it’s unpacked correctly, or maybe not, the program doesn’t get there, as I already
said, the main unit starts, and there’s nonsense, and that’s it.... Why this happens
I can’t understand yet, when I figure it out, I’ll definitely let you know. Or maybe we'll announce a competition to see who will be the first to figure out why all this is happening :)
K>> the Spectrum has never had anything like this... And it won’t, I’m sure it won’t,
K>> it won’t finish.
MD> Listen, are you taking me for a sucker? I told you that there will be a
MD> game, so it will be and I won’t repeat it again! Nobody wants to help,
MD> so I’ll do it with my team, it will take longer obviously, but it WILL WORK!
Listen, do you know how many times this has been written before you, about super-duper-mega
and for the Spectrum? And then they gave up on everything. Even ChV-2 has been delayed for a year
but VM is probably 90% ready, what about you? I will [x you do this super-duper
for 2 years? I don’t believe it!
Kirill Frolov. [ZX]
29 Dec 99 19:15, Max Dudnikov wrote to Kirill Frolov:
MD> Why are you all??? Initially, the Kempston poll is OFF!!! At first it was
MD> automatic, but then I changed it to manual! At least move
MD> them, they WILL NOT react! There is such a key combination as 'Symbol
Why does it hang? Should I pick up the STS again? I'll take it...
I took it, looked at it, now I don't understand anything - yesterday it was hanging,
today it's working. I restarted it several times, and from MMD too. :-/
I should have looked right then, but there is a glitch somewhere.
MD> Kempston can’t be a problem. What else were you talking about ERRSP?
128 BASIC pushes something wrong onto the stack, not like 48 BASIC.
Usually you take the top of the stack, put the address of the error handling program
of BASIC there, lower the stack and put it in ERRSP. This is how stalker
did it in STS.
MD> To ALL: let’s give all the comments on the subject at once - correct something there
MD>, etc., while I’m getting into it!
Make a normal screen saver, with stars...
Why is it that when you drag the vertical scroll bar, it is painted over,
and The horizontal one is not painted over and is also poorly dragged. Well, the text
does not change while the scroll bar is moving. And windows cannot be pushed beyond the screen
and it’s generally not bad to have a larger virtual screen.
And also the [BACK] and [BACK TO START] buttonspictures...
And most importantly, does it work through 3D13? Well, just imagine, you
would have a scorpio with SMUC-Device.
The interface is creepy. Now there is a systems-tools-menu on the screen and I DO NOT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING.
Some pictures. At least I made some captions, the tooltips are all
obstructed,
the colors are kind of acidic. The offtopic Windows/Amiga interface is just right IMHO.
Well, some kind of uniformity is needed, so that there is the same arrow and the same
buttons everywhere, otherwise, again, nothing is clear. Contextual help... And the mouse
is necessary, it is extremely inconvenient to move the arrow buttons.
I still haven’t figured out how to write sprites :-( And it loads all the crap in a row.
MD> current grills that the turbo-loader/saver does not work,
I have downloaded something.
MD> I swore that something was wrong there! I say again, in our city
MD> there were NO problems either with the launch of the subject or with Kempston!
It turns out that I didn’t have any problems with the launch either. Now
it’s working, maybe there’s a small glitch hidden somewhere. be.
What are you talking about?
Well, that's all, Max! Don't lose sight...
Sincerely, Midi
e-mail: [mid...@usa.com]^[mid...@mail.ru]
[REAL.ZX Team][Energy Minds team][Freedom team][X-Project team]
December 30, 99 (and it was 11:52 pm then)
Oleg Golenkoff in his letter to Max Dudnikov wrote:
MD>> To ALL: Why is everyone silent??? I thought at least the real people would respond about
MD>> the subject, but no, everyone is silent again :(((
O> On KAY1024 it hangs rooted to the spot :( not a single key responds...
O> only when you turn on the screensaver does the space bar work...
O> How do you even interrogate the keyboard?
I interrogate the keyboard in an elementary way - tables, through the #FE port. This method was described in 'ZX-Element #1'. And in the screensaver, the polling goes through: Are there really no coders/artists/scriptwriters who could help
MD>> implement the most sophisticated project in Speck’s life??? I CAN’T BELIEVE!!!
O> And you’re doing the right thing! :)
I know! Happy New Year!!!
O> C ya in nE> [TEAM GUITAR] [TEAM Babylon #5] [TEAM Gaza Strip-BEST!] [TEAM
[TEAM Hard Rock & Metall - RULEZ!!]
02 Jan 00 01:38, Max Dudnikov wrote to Oleg Golenkoff:
MD> I interrogate the keyboard simply - with tables, through the #FE port. This
MD> method was described in 'ZX-Element #1'. And in the screensaver the polling goes
MD> through:
And bits 6,7,8 are masked?
MD> XOR A
MD> IN A,(#FE)
MD> AND #1F
Don’t do that anymore... :-(
Because of AT-XT-PC Mazda keyboards and their buggy controllers.
Kirill Frolov. [ZX]
A> What kind of project? Something slipped my mind, remind me :(
=== Cut ===
The project is very large-scale, voluminous and complex... Here is an excerpt:
One thing is for sure - according to the plan, this has never happened on Speck and will not happen if
no one wants to help make it, because I alone in such a sophisticated
toy will simply drown at the very beginning of its creation. The game will (???) be written based on the series of books about Grayson Carlisle "Combat Robots. Battle; Mercenary Star;
The Price of Glory". First there will be an adventure in the style of "ZH", when you need to survive after the attack on his father's headquarters. Then you need to put together a squad and effectively manage it - this is the type of manager AND THE MOST important thing is STRATEGY. When you plan various operations, engage in trade, breeding
livestock, etc. This will already be in the style of a crazy-sophisticated "Last Battle".
(this is where the idea of the game began).There will be endless space for
strategic plans, but it should be interesting
for both those who have read them and those who have not read them. after I finish the first two games, no one will volunteer to help me, it will be (???)
just a strategic part.
=== Cut ===
Once again I express my gratitude to those who volunteered to help, and I also say,that
anyone can participate in the creation of a project (code, gfx, music, etc...),
the main thing is that the person is responsible!
A> Alexander Groholsky was with you
A> aka Spawn
A> Last Masters Group/X-Project Association
K> Are bits 6,7,8 masked?
No, because one of them contains the XT keyboard press bit. Do you know this method? Here is the listing:
KEMP_SCAN LD HL,TABL_UPR ;table with control buttons. Entry point for
XOR A ;scanning cursor/arrow control
IN A,(#1F) ;take the kempston state
KEMP_Y_N
AND #00 ;if disabled, then 0, otherwise - #1F
LD E,A ;save in the resulting register
JR $+2+2 ;bypass its initialization
KEY_SCAN
LD E,0 ;entry point for scanning buttons. in the HL table
KEYB1
LD A,(HL) ;take the keyboard port
CP #FF ;if #FF, then the end of the table is the output
JR Z,EXIT_SCAN
INC HL
IN A,(#FE) ;look at the state of the port
CPL ;invert for convenience
AND (HL) ;check with the required bit. if the
INC HL ;key is not pressed, then we bypass
JR Z,KEYB2
LD A,(HL) ;otherwise we turn on the required bit in the resulting
OR E ;register
LD E,A
KEYB2
INC HL ;and we continue...
JR KEYB1
EXIT_SCAN
LD A,E ;if nothing is pressed, then the output will be
AND A ;moisture 'Z' is turned on
RET
Here's the program... In the table, 3 bytes are spent on 1 button - the port, the bit
that interests you, and which bit to include in the resulting register. #FF-end
because when polling the XT keyboard, port is 0. And so you can do 0, and check by
AND A.
MD>> What’s wrong with me not understanding??? After all, this is exactly what works ;)))
K> This polls a normal keyboard or gives the button code from the controller
If you do CPL : AND #1F, then if it is not 0, then some key
is pressed, including both Shifts!
K> If you use it to poll a normal keyboard, then the controller
K> will give out the wrong bits and there will be glitches.
I don’t understand anything - are the cars special in our city? And those bits are
produced on all keyboards, and non-working Kempstons are normally ignored...
MD>> I’m not complaining about my Profi XT controller! There are no problems, except
MD>> how to unhook the lamers, which are not set before HALT polling (the
MD>> starts to slow down, because when accessing this keyboard, interrupts are prohibited, and
MD>> polling takes about 4000 clock cycles)
K> ~~~~~
K> Good controller. Reading from 00FE is buggy, it needs HALT,
Firstly, in 3 years of using this controller, I personally have not encountered any glitches from the #FE port. Secondly, you should always put HALT before the _NEXT_
keyboard survey - IMHO, this is an unwritten law that must
be observed! You’re not going to display an image when the beam doesn’t know where!?
So why is it not necessary to set HALT before the survey? This is elementary ethics,
the same asswitch pages by full addressing, and not by OUT (#FD)!
K> you can’t enable cheats in dizzis... Mazda definitely.
And thirdly, cheats should be done wisely, and not force the user to learn
the art of splits on the fingers!
MD>> I will never exchange this keyboard for a 58-button keyboard.
K> There are no problems with it much smaller and everything works and all the buttons match.
K> And XT keyboards are more suitable for ibmpc.
Of all the problems I have encountered, the lack of one button with such a -> "
quote! Enlighten the ignoramus, which buttons I have do not match. And that instead of
the inscriptions Caps Lock, Alt, etc, these buttons have different functions, it’s the other way around,
rules! Ask any programmer - I wanted I wish he had one button to
insert/delete a line in ASMA, call up the list of sources in memory in ALASM, etc.
Darth Vader/ Orion'2000 04 Jan 00
MD> how to catch lamers that are not set to HALT before polling (the
MD> starts to slow down, because when accessing this keyboard interruptions are prohibited, and
MD> polling takes about 4000 bars)
K>> This polls a normal keyboard or gives the code of a button with
K>> controller
MD> If you do CPL : AND #1F, then if it is not 0, then some
MD> key is pressed, including both Shifts!
So I'm buggy!
K>> Good controller. Reading from 00FE is buggy, it needs HALT,
MD> Firstly, in 3 years of using this controller I personally have not encountered any
MD> glitches from the #FE port. Secondly, you should always put HALT before
MD> the _NEXT_ keyboard poll - IMHO, this is an unwritten law
MD> that must be respected! You're not going to display an image,
MD> when the beam doesn't know where!?
I won't. And I will question the keyboard. I may only need to press 1 button,
why do I need halts?
MD> So why is it not necessary to put
MD> before the HALT survey? This is elementary ethics, the same as switching pages
MD> using full addressing, and not via OUT (#FD)!
And I’ll also switch pages via OUT (FDH), so what?
It works for me on normal computers, but I just have to take into account that
on the Pentagon-512 the bank is selected another.
K>> you can’t include cheats in dizzis... Mazda definitely.
MD> And thirdly, cheats should be done wisely, and not force the user
MD> to learn the art of finger splits!
What a joke. OnSpectrum works. Pros with this controller - not
spectrum
MD> instead of the inscriptions Caps Lock, Alt, etc, these buttons have different functions, this
MD> on the contrary, rules! Ask any programmer - would he like to have one
I somehow used this XT controller. 20 minutes was enough for me for the rest of my life, there
nothing matches what is written on the buttons. Of course
you can get used to it with time, for example, on my keyboard now it’s written YTSUKENG, and
it’s actually YAVERTY.
Kirill Frolov. [ZX]
MD>> it’s the other way around, rulez! Ask any programmer - would he like
MD>> one
K> I somehow used this XT controller. 20 minutes was enough for me for the rest of my life,
K> nothing there matches what is written on the buttons. Of course, you can get used to
K> with time, for example, on my keyboard now it’s written YTSUKENG, and
K> are actually YAVERTY.
“The company is not responsible for the poor quality of counterfeit work”!!!
Darth Vader/ Orion'2000 06 Jan 00 year
MD>> helped to implement
MD>> the most sophisticated project in Speck’s life??? I CAN'T BELIEVE!!!
R> What are you talking about?
Yes, I'm talking about the same thing... About Battle Tech... ;)
R> Sincerely, Midi
Sincerely, Darth Vader/ Orion'2000 06 Jan 00
K>> that? It works for me on normal computers, I just need
K>> to take into account that on Pentagon-512 a different bank is selected.
MD> In this case, use your program alone, quietly
MD> with yourself! I can also switch via OUT (#FD), but I do
MD> for everyone!
There are already so many programs that switch via out (fd), 5x,
that you can insert it anywhere.
MD> What do you think Spectrum? ZX 48 + tape recorder?
Do you think this is not a Spectrum? Dave esli and without a tape recorder.
MD> “The company is not responsible for the poor quality work of
MD> fakes”!!!
Uh-huh.. It was on KAY.
Kirill Frolov. [ZX]
R>> switch and that's it. :)
MD> But you must agree that this is a PERVERT! We need to find the reason for this behavior,
MD> and not ignore it! I can't do this, because... everything works
MD> fine...
What are the problems? Processing of INT 128 BASIC and error handling
must be cut off!
MD> “A glitch is an effect of the program that the programmer, by God, didn’t
MD> program!” (C) I don’t know whose :)
No one bothers to look for glitches.
Kirill Frolov. [ZX]