Poll about manufacturer support...
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Hello, All
It would be interesting to see how the MASS of Spectrum users, programmers and
apparatchiks perceive this platform. We all here love the Spectrum quite
for obvious reasons. Many people not only launch retro toys, but also create
something new. This is driven not only by interest and habit, experience and respect for ZX.
And those who know the reasons for their creativity are here, obviously for the same reasons and
They will also support others.
This is not only a pressing question about payment, but also about interest...
By the way, a survey can help find out what contributes to the development of spktrum --
material compensation, which, however, will scare off some users; or
Freeware environment that slows down the emergence of new products?
Hello TomCaT
Tom> It would be interesting to see how
So people voted, but the result is not clear...
What's the end result??? In general, it turns out if you analyze 40% for production
new software and games, and 60% are against.
I personally understand this, although in this form the survey could simply confuse people and they
They answered not as it actually is.
Hello, scl^mc
scl> that is, you need to freeze and do nothing but nostalgia? this
scl> was already somewhere, passed...
This is a difficult question, but what is clear is that in addition to a few new toys a year,
issued by enthusiasts, we won’t get anything new on the Spectrum. Then
as high-quality emulators, they can breathe 'second life' into retro toys,
for example, new graphics (color per dot) in old games, without rewriting them
games, with the same engine, etc. etc.
Hello Titus
Tit> This is a difficult question, but it is obvious that in addition to several new ones
Tit> toys per year, issued by enthusiasts, more new on the Spectrum we
Tit> we won't get anything. While high-quality emulators can breathe
Tit> 'second life' in retro toys, for example, new graphics (color on
Tit> dot) in old games, without rewriting the game itself, with the same
Tit> engine, etc. etc.
Why not do all this in parallel? why only on emulators?
get hung up?
Hello Lennon
len> Emulators and old games are its reality and the last straw.
that is, you need to freeze and do nothing but nostalgia? it's already
somewhere, they passed...
Hello, scl^mc
scl> why not do all this in parallel? why only on emulators
scl> need to loop?
Because real people will very quickly become a thing of the past, the majority of users
programs will use emulators. Yes, there is nothing wrong with that,
since a 100% high-quality emulator is NOTHING worse than a real computer, and even
better :v2_wink2:
Hello Titus
Tit> because a 100% high-quality emulator is NOTHING worse than a real computer, and
Tit> is even better :v2_wink2:
wow, real and virtual are two big differences, it’s not all that simple. a
It is still unclear what a “100% high-quality emulator” is and whether it is found in
nature :rolleyes:
Hello Titus
Tit> 100% is 100% emulation of the stated hardware: v2_wink2: A occurs
Tit> or not, it’s not for me to judge, but for statistics :v2_rolley
Well, well, emulation for example Sprinter at 100% or VG93 with access to real
floppy disks.
Hello Titus
Tit> Because real-life people will very quickly become a thing of the past, the bulk
Tit> program users will use emulators. Yes in this and
Tit> there is nothing wrong, since a 100% high-quality emulator is NOTHING
Tit> worse than a real computer, but even better :v2_wink2:
But emulators don’t work for me - it feels like a rubber woman.
And why, it’s better to play games designed for the platform on which
The emulator is running.
Hello, CHRV
Lenon passed the stage. and even more so I don’t understand why you should buy it knowingly
useless software (emulators) if there are much better free analogues: win32
- Unreal (there has never been anything better and there never will be), Linux - zemu.
Titus why is the emulsion better than the emulated platform? this platform only speeds up
its extinction.
New high-quality graphics? Yes Lana already, the era of 2D has irrevocably sunk into oblivion.
the same small group will play these games with “new high-quality graphics”
finals of old games (and there are even fewer of them than spektrumists eager for development).
and drawing “high-quality” graphics will take a lot of time and effort.
Don't know. It doesn't bother me. no way.
CHRV
> But emulators don’t work for me - some semblance of a rubber woman
> sensations.
> And why, it’s better to play games designed for the platform on
> which the emulator is running.
>
I support it 100%.
Hello Surfin' Bird
Surfin' Bird
I'm not talking about myself (for me the best from the best is Fallout 1 - 2, which
as is known 2D). I'm talking about average gamers.
So, if the PDA is not completely antique, then its 200mHz is enough for any 3D.
next, gameboy, if it’s normal, then it will also work in 3D
bloomer??? is he normal??? I've seen a lot (I was once a bloomer myself
riveted) - a complete awl.
telephone? well, if only, although as for me you need a phone to make calls,
and not to bother.
Hello Sinus
Sin> New high-quality graphics? Yes Lana already, the era of 2D is gone forever
Sin> in flight.
Hello: v2_clapp: You tell this to the manufacturers of games for mobile phones,
PDAs, gameboys, sharers, console players, machine gunners, as well as players on
all this goodness. Just don’t say it in person, but on the forum or by phone :v2_lol:
Tit> Because real-life people will very quickly become a thing of the past, the bulk
Tit> program users will use emulators. Yes in this and
Tit> there is nothing wrong, since a 100% high-quality emulator is NOTHING
Tit> worse than a real computer, but even better :v2_wink2:
Absolutely false. The emulator is EVERYTHING worse than a real computer. Absolutely accurate
comparison with a rubber woman was given here by CHRV.
There is a real difference in the feeling of using a real machine and
emulating program.
An emulator in general, by and large, is not for “using programs”. Because no
such programs, the use of which on an emulator gives a greater effect on
compared with native similar programs of the platform on which the emulsion
launched.
What is the emulator for then? To develop programs for REAL computers
(when more computing power is needed, for example, for compilation), for storage(more precisely, organizations) collections of old programs (although, taking into account new
capabilities of the Spectrum - doubtful), for nostalgia ("Fathers, R Tape Loading
Error!" :v2_smile: ) and for the game demo.
And system application programs (commanders, players, databases,
text, music, graphic editors, archivers, add to taste...)
there is no point in running it on an emulator, while on a real machine you can’t do it without them
make do.
No?
Hello Sinus
Sin> Surfin' Bird
Sin> I'm not talking about myself (for me the best from the best is Fallout 1 - 2,
Sin> which is known to be 2D).
Respect! :v2_thumb:
Sin> I'm talking about average gamers.
Sin> so, if the PDA is not exactly an antique, then its 200mHz for any 3D
Sin> that's enough.
Moreover, what does it mean - any 3D? I don’t think the average person can buy one
palm for 600 bucks.
Sin> next, gameboy, if it’s normal, then it will also work in 3D
Come on :v2_wink2: Not a single gayboy has 3D hardware yet :v2_cheer:
Maybe in DS, but it’s expensive. And, again, mostly 2D.
Damn, is it really a matter of whether it will work or not? Let's say a stripped-down Duke engine
GBA-ha is pulling. But how many such games are there? Ten! And in total - hundreds (thousands?). Why?
2D-ROLLS! :v2_finge:
Sin> bloomers??? is he normal??? I saw a lot (I myself once
Sin> trousers riveted) - a complete awl.
Oh yes! Zuma!!! Ahhh.... Crimson Land... Woohoo!!! Alien Shooter... eternal
orgasm... Feeding Fantasy... yum-yama... In short - getting some cool racket!
Sin> phone? well, if only, although as for me, the phone is needed for that
Sin> I wish I could call and not bother.Someone here talked about middle-class gamers? I read somewhere that mobile
There are already more gamers than normal ones :v2_wink2:
Hello Sinus
I don’t want to argue with anyone - everyone has the right to their own position.
For me, Spectrum fans are divided into Spectrum hardware fans,
and for lovers of software (read creativity created on the Spectrum). I relate to
lovers of creativity, in particular a huge number of interesting games, partly
for nostalgic reasons, almost simply because they are cute and interesting.
For lovers of creativity, a normal, high-quality emulator is much more convenient;
in addition, storing disk images and games on a hard drive is much more convenient and
more reliable :rolleyes:
As for the era of 2D games that has irrevocably sunk into oblivion, that’s also a matter of taste. me,
for example, they don’t touch modern 3D toys at all, they’ve already had enough in their
time, beee :v2_crazy:
I was once very happy with everything 3D, when it wasn’t enough, but now I’m not at all
touches. Just like anime:v2_wink2: When it was rare, in the beginning
The 90s were touching, but how did they start churning out a bunch of crazy cartoons on the same
sprites' - DOESN'T INSERT AT ALL :v2_wink:
In general, to each his own. For software lovers - emulators, for hardware lovers - hardware
:v2_tong2:
Hello Titus
Tit> For lovers of creativity, a normal, high-quality emulator is much better
Tit> is more convenient; in addition, storing disk images and games on the hard drive
Tit> is much more convenient and reliable :rolleyes:
Who would argue! HDD on spec is a must have. On the real :v2_wink2:
Tit> As for the era of 2D games that has irrevocably sunk into oblivion, that’s also a matter of taste.
Tit> For example, I am not at all touched by modern 3D toys, already
Tit> ate enough in due time, beee :v2_crazy:
Well, it’s the same as saying “I hate food, food is bad.” 3D toys
there are different ones, and, damn it, 2D3D is not at all the point when evaluating a game!
An example of a great 3D game? Psychonauts!
Tit> Once upon a time I was very happy with everything 3D, when it was not enough, but now
Tit> doesn't touch me at all. Just like the anime: v2_wink2: When was this
Tit> was a rarity, in the early 90s it was touching, but then they started churning out a bunch
Tit> crazy cartoons on the 'same sprites' - DOES NOT INSERT AT ALL
Tit> :v2_wink:
I agree. Stamping never inserts. So you need to look for “non-format”!
Tit> In general, to each his own. For software lovers - emulators, for hardware lovers -Tit> iron :v2_tong2:
Nope. Not so: v2_wink2: Real money for software lovers. For those who only like to play and
nostalgic - emulators: v2_tong2:
Hello Titus
It’s too early to write off 2D.
For me, a clear example of this is Heroes of M&M 2 - the game is entirely drawn in 2D.
Yes, it's difficult. But what kind of graphics does it come out with? And with realistic
movements...
And now HMM4: the graphics are mostly (or maybe all, I don’t know) 3D. Yes, there's a lot of it
because in 3D it’s easier to get different phases of movements. Yes, she's smoother. But where
realism of movements? Where is the clarity? People, animals and all sorts of different things cannot wave like that
limbs, make such movements physically... Excessive realism fantasy
It also harms games, but can we leave physiology and anatomy as they are?
Can you give examples of 3D, where the hunt for pixels is not replaced by “blur”?
"smoothing" and other bells and whistles?
Telephone: yes, it’s for making calls. But I think his unity with the CPC is inevitable. All
anyway, you won’t be calling forever, and because there is nothing else to do, many people climb through his add-on.
functions. And games. ZX on a phone - why is the emulator on a PC worse? (the worse the real -
this is understandable)
Hello Titus
Tit> In general, to each his own. For software lovers - emulators, for hardware lovers -
Tit> iron :v2_tong2:
It’s like hardware people don’t like software :).
I must say that as a lover of emulators - emulators :)
Hello Lennon
len> Why do all this when you can use this Spectrum hardware using software
len> settle???? After all, the essence of a computer is not the hardware - but the
len> intellectual, information product that this computer
len> plays. This problem is solved by the emulator, and the real hardware is
len> for the museum...
rubber woman is also quite a product, all working parts are included,
and in use, needless to say, it is much easier than real meat
:rolleyes:
but about the soul and feelings, it’s not serious, who has seen them, maybe in living women
and there is no soul at all. Now, if information appears in the datasheet, we’ll emulate it, no
the limit to the triumph of technology ;)
Well, it’s kind of like how two people can sing the same song - lyrics
alone, essentially different.
Hello, CHRV
CHR> But emulators don’t work for me - some semblance of a rubber woman
CHR> sensations.
CHR> And why, it’s better to play games designed for the platform on
CHR> which the emulator is running.
CHR> __________________
Nothing like that...
I want to play an old game, and I want to use a computer that
once was, but at the same time I don’t want to clutter the apartment with rusty boxes and
monitors that scare people away.
Perhaps there is something cool in the real Spectrum, but the whole joke
lies more in its museum appearance, so there is no point in keeping it, much less
no need to restart! When I moved out of the dorm, I threw everything away, several boards,
BP, I gave you an electronics monitor. You won’t miss this for the rest of your life :)
The emulator completely compensates for everything, and is no different from the Spectrum than yours
Spectrum is better than a rubber woman when you attach a keyboard, monitor,
from a PC... They use an AT case, etc.???????
Why do all this when you can use this Spectrum hardware using software?
settle???? After all, the essence of a computer is not hardware, but intelligence,
information product that this computer reproduces. This problem is solved
an emulator, but real hardware is for the museum...
Hello, boo_boo
boo> rubber woman is also quite a product
IMHA! converted Spectrum is a chick with silicone tits :)
Clave Sinclair's silicone dream...
If we are talking about a real specie (analogous to a real woman, not a doll), then you need
then use 48k with a rubber keyboard, TV and tape recorder and get
real fun :).
Hello Lennon
incorrect comparison.
you come from the fact that the majority get a buzz from nostalgia (that’s why you
you offer the original specs as an object of desire).
I don't speak for everyone (although I think many here agree with me)...
For example, the 48th Spectrum with a rubber keyboard does not fit me. Well, no way.
For me, my passion for Spectrum began with the purchase of a disk drive.
and before that, I thought that I was a dandy - one fig.
and what difference does it make if you're just talking?
the dandy gams will be better ;)
but if a person is engaged in CREATIVITY, then a certain strong
attraction.
But creativity is different for everyone.
for you, I think creativity is remembering and going through old turmoil,
For me creativity is to try to cram something into 128kb and 3 mHz
extraordinary
and for CHRV, probably sit with a soldering iron over a torn board of some kind
Atm-Turbo-8 with 32768 colors ;)
that's all the difference.
and of course, nostalgia is different for everyone.
For some, Spectrum is associated with dizzy,
but for me Spectrum is, first of all, coils of wires, dangling boards
and a continuous creative state of mind - like I soldered it all myself, it
works! You can already enjoy the programs.
in fact, active debate about which is better, speck or iron, has been going on for years
something like '98. And they still can’t come to a consensus.For me, emulators are a priceless waste of time (it’s even somehow strange ;) ;) - who
knows, he will understand).
Why drive yourself into artificial boundaries and limitations with a powerful machine? this is
some kind of masachism? it’s like “I have a cool petse, but I’ll use a specialist
emulsion and I’ll drag along”... well, to each his own.
Hello Sinus
And if there is no real? I don’t see them at the radio market in Odessa... Advertisements
hang it somewhere? How many chances are there that some Odessa monitor will come to me?
will sell... Although I’ll go and try; Well, for now the emulsion is a lifesaver...
Hello TomCaT
I probably wouldn’t mind helping to set up General Sound’s production.
Why GS? - you ask :) But because IDE controllers already exist;
buy turbo sounds, pal coders, PC mouse and keyboard controllers too
maybe even lazy now. But GS is some kind of rarity, and
completely undeservedly by many as iron to speck unrecognized :(, but this
only from ignorance of the subject.
I even thought about just talking to the current copyright holder for GS, and
sponsor the production of several printed circuit boards under the original
element base.
I went shopping, now you can buy almost all the microcircuits that are available
in GS (I didn’t find TM8 and I don’t know for sure about memory).
Perhaps I am a little conservative, but look, for example, at the current
Nemo IDE controller, all the elements are there, but the most important thing is that
it exists in nature!! (for which obscenely huge respect to Roman Chunin!
:)), and in the flea market section there are no topics like “I’ll buy Nemo IDE”;... but about GS
there are plenty of messages there.
Of course, you can remake everything using a modern element base, rethink it according to
new... but who will do it? When? and how long will everyone have to wait?
and most importantly - will such an idea be brought to completion?!
Give General Sound to the masses!!
PS; AND; I also wish success to the developers of the new SMUC!PPS; Sori,; that he spoke not in accordance with the section. :) it hurts...
Hello TomCaT
By the way, no one gave the monitor as a gift - they didn’t even sell it. Self-pickup everywhere, and in
They probably don’t exist in Odessa anymore... :(
Hello, boo_boo
boo> rubber woman is also quite a product
:D :D :D :v2_clapp; :v2_clapp:; :v2_clapp; :v2_lol:; :v2_lol;
:v2_lol:;