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Hello, Daniel
first you need to try it head-on: take the digitized video, feed it to nero
vision express and see what comes out of it on a home player. should
it will be very scary ;)
Hello, Daniel
which is typical if you copy from a video cassette to DVD (with hardware
on Panasonice VHS+DVD) then the quality of DVD is no different from film, but this is
absolutely stupid somehow.
Hello diver
div> on PC the quality is tolerable
there is no problem with this! the showman rules. You need PAL on a 50 Hz TV. For
household DVD.
Thanks for the link, I read it!
Hello diver
div> first you need to try it head-on: take a digitized video and feed it
div> nero vision express and see what this is on your home player
div> will come out. it should be very scary ;)
Yes, I already looked... It turns out simply disgusting!
Hello, Daniel
There will be problems with the screen frequency,
As far as I remember, PAL has a frequency of 25Hz, so it will be more or less
living with video “robbed” at a frequency of 50Hz, but with NTSC it’s worse there at 30Hz
refresh rate and therefore there will be obvious jerks when playing demos, etc.
(in scrolling, of course) or, even worse, blurriness.
Also, how are you going to render a 256x192 image to 712x500 (or
I don’t remember exactly how much there is) - the player itself will do it so that you want
watching this will be completely off-putting.
Hello,GriV
It seems to me that making a converter from 50Hz Avikha to DVD format is not so difficult,
you need to be able to work with video... for example, is it really difficult to stretch a picture?
as it should, make it 25 Hz, but as it should be, 2 fields (so that it will be smooth on DVD)?
if you think in individual pictures, it’s simple, but, for example, I don’t know how to
unpack from the avi and pack where necessary..
Hello, psb
so what about the specialists? oh? what to distill?
Hello,GriV
Gri> Also, how are you going to render a 256x192 image in
Gri> 712x500 (or how many there are, I don’t remember exactly) - the player will do it itself
Gri> this is so that the desire to watch it will be completely discouraged.
Where does 256 come from? What about the border and demos with it?
Resizing Spec's 512x384 to 720x576 is not a problem, even with the same Virtual Dub.
But here you also need to remember that the pixels in DVD are not square, but rectangular.
Hello, psb
psb> It seems to me that making a converter from 50Hz Avikha to DVD format is not possible
psb> it's so difficult, you need to know how to work with video... for example, isn't
psb> it’s difficult to stretch the image as it should, make it 25 Hz, but as it should be
psb> 2 fields (to make it smooth on DVD)? if you think in separate pictures
psb> - it’s simple, but, for example, I don’t know how to unpack them from AVI and
psb> pack where necessary..
It’s easy to unpack, the codec does this, you get your frame and
work with him as you wish. The reverse can probably be written either in the form bmp
or in the form of uncompressed AVI.
Hello, Maksagor
Max, why did you start a separate topic for your question?
Hello, Maksagor
> People! Can anyone tell me if there is a possibility by running from
> for UNREAL or another emulator, for example, a demo, distill it into
> runtime in AVI or other video format?
Well, we've been talking about this the whole thread! The Spectator distills well! Here's how it's on DVD
no one knows how to overtake without loss!
Hello, psb
psb> It seems to me that making a converter from 50Hz Avikha to DVD format is not possible
psb> it's so difficult, you need to know how to work with video... for example, isn't
psb> it’s difficult to stretch the image as it should, make it 25 Hz, but as it should be
psb> 2 fields (to make it smooth on DVD)?
"VirtualDub->Video->Frame rate->Frame rate conversion->Convert to fps" isn't it?
Only the audio track will need to be adjusted later to the new fps, I did it
for example through BeSweet. Then feed both files, for example, to TMPGEnc and assemble them into
mpeg, which will then be devoured for example by TMPGEnc DVD Author (the latest
two can be replaced immediately with TMPGEnc DVD Source Creator).
Hello, Daniel
Well, as the most perverted :) option, you can drive TV-Out video to
input of TV-Tuner or video capture card, if any! Or try
use a household DVD Recorder, connected, again, to the output of the video card.
What about programs like Fraps? Has anyone tried it?
Hello new art
new> Be patient, I'll try it one of these days, I need to pick up the software from work.
Well, how are you doing?
Hello, psb
Isn't it easier to run it through rendering? Let's say Vegas, Synergy or Premier.
The smoothness and accuracy of the conversion from 50 to 25 is guaranteed. After Oak jerks good
noticeable.
Hello EdHell
EdH> The picture does not spoil at all - after all, the editing codec.
JPEG and does not spoil?
This does not happen by definition.
Another thing is that it may not be noticeable on TV.
And the menu is made in 10 minutes in a screenwriter or DVD Lab.
So don’t be lazy, and then you can tell us what happened.
Hello, psb
yeah.. somehow the topic has died down;)) apparently no one cares..
so what! I took it and tried it! :)
what did I do:
1. I recorded a video using RealSpectrum - a demo of Action from E'96. screen resolution
I set it to PAL format (***x288). That means I received avi.
2. I bit too much in VirtualDub.
3. I also converted this video into pictures in bmp 720x288 format.. image
stretched horizontally (I did it without smoothing, whether in vain or not - I don’t know).
I got about 6000 pictures.
4. It also retained the sound.
5. in the make_interlaced program posted here earlier, I converted the pictures,
It turned out to be about 3000 pieces.
6. I adjusted the sound length in SoundForge: the video was recorded at a frequency of 48 Hz, and
will be shown at 50, so the sound had to be shortened by 4 seconds. again
I don’t know how to correct the time correctly.. maybe it’s easier too, using a program
write one that cuts out samples.. because in soundforge it’s somehow muddy, a bunch
modes (trying to keep the tonality the same).
7. Then in the dub I collected Avi from a new bunch of pictures and a new sound. sweep -
25 Hz.
8. I put this avi into Adobe EncoreDVD 1.0 (I already found it). made a menu there
button.. “transcoded” this avikha.. I ended up with a disk image.
That's it, then I put this image into virtual seed and checked it out in the player :)
so what? The first time the twitching was clearly visible! mixed up the fields... but it turns outin EncoreDVD in the settings there is a sequence of fields :) changed it - got a good one
result :)
then I went and recorded the image onto a disc, put it in a real DVD player and...
oh yeah!:))))) this is just super!!!:))))))) what you could only dream of!:)))
smoothness - like the original! :))) and synchronization with sound, and everything else! :)))
so I trudged along :))
here :) only one mystery remains: at the beginning of the demo the flying dots are white, but at
on TV they blinked in all colors;) as if there were random attributes... although, if
look at it on the computer, there are no smears, everything is clearly white... maybe the TV is like that
shows?
Well, it’s not clear in what form it’s better to write the sound... I wrote it as pcm, although it’s possible
like ac3, like with compression... and how to compress video more correctly is also unknown,
need to experiment..
Well, maybe someone will continue?
Hello, psb
psb> yeah.. somehow the topic has died down;)) apparently no one cares..
psb>
psb> so what! and I took it and tried it! :)
psb>
psb> what did I do:
psb>
psb> 1. Recorded a video via RealSpectrum - a demo of Action from E'96. resolution
psb> set the screen to PAL format (***x288). That means I received avi.
psb> 2. in VirtualDub I bit off too much.
psb> 3. I also converted this video into pictures in bmp 720x288 format..
psb> the image was stretched horizontally (I did it without anti-aliasing, in vain
psb> or not - I don’t know). We got about 6,000 pictures.
psb> 4. I saved the sound in it.
psb> 5. in the make_interlaced program posted here earlier, converted
psb> pictures, there were about 3000 pieces.
psb> 6. I adjusted the audio length in SoundForge: the video was recorded from
psb> with a frequency of 48 Hz, but will be displayed at 50, so reduce the sound
psb> took 4 seconds. again, how to correctly adjust the timepsb> I don’t know.. maybe it’s easier to write a program that samples
psb> cuts out.. because soundforge is somehow muddy, there are a lot of modes
psb> (trying to keep the key the same).
psb> 7. further in the dub I collected avi from a new bunch of pictures and a new sound.
psb> scan - 25 Hz.
psb> 8. I put this avi into Adobe EncoreDVD 1.0 (I already found it). did there
psb> menu, button.. “transcoded” this avikha.. ended up with an image
psb> disk.
psb>
psb> that's it, then I put this image into virtual seed and checked it out in the player :)
psb>
psb> so what? The first time the twitching was clearly visible! mixed up the fields.. but
psb> turns out in EncoreDVD in the settings there is a sequence of fields :) changed
psb> - got a good result :)
psb>
psb> then I went, recorded the image on a disc, and put it in the real one
psb> dvd-player and..
psb> oh yeah!:))))) this is just super!!!:))))))) what could be said
psb> dream!:))) smoothness - like the original!:))) and synchronization with sound, andpsb> everything else!:)))
psb> so I trudged along :))
psb>
psb> here :) only one mystery remains: at the beginning of the demo there are flying dots -
psb> white, and on TV they flashed all colors;) as if they were random
psb> attributes .. although, if you look at the computer, there are no smears, that's all
psb> clearly white... maybe the TV shows that?
psb>
psb> Well, it’s not clear in what form it’s better to write the sound... I wrote it as pcm, although
psb> can also be used as ac3, like with compression.. and how to compress video more correctly
psb> - also unknown, we need to experiment..
psb>
psb> well, maybe someone will continue the thread?
My God, from a cannon at sparrows. I've been here almost a while ago
described how and what - no one bothered to try? Truly programmers
They rushed to reinvent their wheel. About the points on TV - this is due to the translation into
interlace, regarding the sound - why the hell convert the unfortunate stereo to Dolby
digital (ac3)????? Someone record a demo in avi and post it here, I'll make it for you
DVD image.
Hello, psb
psb> yeah.. somehow the topic has died down;)) apparently no one cares..
make a disc already! I will buy it with pleasure!
Hello, psb
psb> what did you suggest? Convert from 50Hz to 25Hz virtual dub? I
psb> Did I understand you correctly? how does it convert? throws away footage? nothing
psb> 100% good will not come out of this!
Is there any fundamental difference in how he does this? Time
If there is an opportunity, it means he will do it. Give me the avi here, I'll give you the result, then
you will appreciate it.
psb> what should I write in? should I leave it in pcm? so it's bold.. although
psb> high quality :)
In mp2. Not every VOB transcoder will understand PCM. Or he will say that the PCM is not like that.
But in AC3, which in theory is 5.1 or 2.1, writing 2.0 is normal :)
psb> why is that?
Because it's interlaced. The point is displayed only in one half-frame, in the other it
no. There is no such thing on the Spectrum, because there are no half-frames there.
Hello icebear
ice> Some time ago I practically described how and what - no one
ice> didn't bother to try?
what did you suggest? Convert from 50Hz to 25Hz virtual dub? I'm right for you
understand? how does it convert? throws away footage? nothing good will come of this
100%!
As for the capture programs... I'm not very sure that everything will be recorded
as it should...
ice> why the hell convert the unfortunate stereo to Dolby digital (ac3)?????
what should I write it in? should I leave it in pcm? so it's fat... although it's high quality :)
ice> About the dots on TVs - this is due to the conversion to interlace
why is that so?
Hello, psb
psb> you know, if there was no difference, no one would have started the topic! all
psb> the catch is to repeat the 50Hz spectrum!!! and in order for you to do this
psb> you definitely won’t get it, you need to understand physics..
First of all, try it.
psb> well, on DemoOrDie discs the sound is recorded in PCM, no problems
psb> no :)
And no one said that PCM is not possible at all. There _may_ be problems. Depends
much from the software. The one I used didn't understand the PCMs shoved into it.
It is possible that your software understands - then go ahead. And I’ll ask about AC3 again -
What's the point of converting stereo to DD?
psb> means there are no half-frames... i.e. do you want to say right now that I have
psb> are 25 images drawn per second? or what? that one of the 2 is empty?
psb>
psb> dude, it seems one of us doesn’t fully understand the point..
The dude is in your next doorway. And I have nothing more to add. I advise you to start
Dig towards a description of the interlace, how it works. I can guess that
your software shifted the entire picture by a line in every second frame.
Hello icebear
ice> Is there any fundamental difference in how he will do this?
you know, if there was no difference, no one would start the topic! the whole point is
to repeat 50Hz Spectrum!!! but you definitely won’t get it in dub, physics
need to understand..
ice> In mp2. Not every VOB transcoder will understand PCM
well, on DemoOrDie discs the sound is recorded in PCM, no problems :)
ice> The point is displayed only in one half-frame, it is not visible in the other. Ha
ice> Spectrum does not have this, because there are no half-frames there.
that means there are no half-frames... i.e. you want to say right now that I’m drawing 25
images per second? or what? that one of the 2 is empty?
dude, it seems like one of us doesn't fully understand the point...
Hello icebear
ice> There is software that itself converts “wrong” PCM
in general, there is no problem converting, although it accepted 44 for me, I’m talking about
what is needed is to have as few conversions as possible... lost on them
a lot..
the sampling frequency for AY should generally be about 110 kHz (sort of), but
written in 44. Naturally, it is truncated, it doesn’t sound right. this is a fact. then these 44
_somehow_ they will also convert to 48... how - it is unknown, there are many ways. but
It will be correct here - when the sound is _immediately_ written in 48.
ice> if I haven’t seen the living Pentagon, then I don’t accordingly
ice> is given to convert correctly.
how is this? how will you convert from English? Convert with emulsion anyway..
it is important to do it theoretically correctly!
in general, each deme should have its own approach... we must take into account which
the layout the music was written for, what computer the demo was for, etc.
watch and re-watch.. otherwise you’ll put everything together, and then it will come up that something isn’t right
exactly as it should have been...
and it’s a bit hard to do all this.. you need sooooo much free space on the disk
there’s a lot, but it’s not always there.. and it takes a long time to convert..
Hello, psb
psb> but the question was about color distortion! because of what?
Firstly, the compression itself blurs the colors, add post-processing to this, for EVERYONE
player, it works in its own way, the more expensive the more sophisticated it is (but it’s not a fact that
better for us), read about the internal structure of players, for example on IXBT.
And it’s better to press the sound, in ac3 they ate something else, it doesn’t matter, WAV takes up quite
a lot of space.
Hello new art
new> 192 will be enough.
do you hear it or what? no, seriously?
Hello new art
Somehow the topic died down, but the issue remains unresolved!
here http://www.pctuner.ru/page-id-214.html
There is information close to the topic, but to be honest, I didn’t understand anything.
excerpt:
Probably many have already become accustomed to the “2x fps” mode in the Fly 2000 TV program and no longer
can imagine life without this regime. But that's when we capture the video
we can't get the same smoothness that "2x fps" gives us
mode. The thing is that we capture honestly 25 frames/s, software player
reproduces the same 25 fps, so there’s no catch here. If we
let's try to make a 25 fps -> 50 fps conversion, then this will not give us the desired effect
will bring, the video will either play twice as fast, or it will
the same 25 frames/s are played back, but at a frequency of 50 fps. What is it about
secret? Why do we see one thing on TV, even Fly 2000 TV can do this, but
I can't play the file at all. It's all a game of fields. Actually it is necessary
carry out the correct conversion, taking into account the fields. This will create 50 fps
video, which in general does not suit us due to the redundancy of information and
large final file size. But to evaluate the effect of 50 frames/s it
might fit. To create such a correct 50 fps video, inverse will help us
telecine (manipulation of frames and fields is the calling of this filter). NoneThere is no need to do any tricks, just set the frame rate in the filter to 50 fps
and also in the options "MPEG Settings/Video -> Frame Rate -> 50 fps" (the very first
TMPGEnc options tab). Then set "Deal after this frame according to
selected pattern -> 11" and export the video to some fast AVI codec
(PicVideo MJPEG for example) via "File -> Output to file -> Avi file", since
we only need this for evaluation and not for final compression. Try it
perform all these operations with a captured fragment of a football match or something else
some kind of live broadcast. Finally we got the same thing we see on
TV screen or Fly 2000 TV :).
But what's the problem, why can't we use this technique to save
video. Can. But as mentioned above, this video will suffer
redundancy of information, since among 50 frames only 25 carry information,
the remaining 25 are created from the previous 25 and are therefore redundant when encoding.
In addition, the bitrate is needed twice as much. Yes, and not everyone has 50 fps video.
the computer will be able to overcome (some can barely cope with 25 fps :). One more
trouble is the inapplicability of adaptive deinterlacing filters, so what
To apply deinterlacing you will need to select either double or none
filter And finally - he knows how to handle fields really wellonly MPEG-2 codec but it is not applicable in videos with frame rates greater than 30 fps.
DivX is not applicable due to its heavy requirements on computer resources. All these
facts indicate the applicability of using 50 fps video, which itself
itself is non-standard. But if TMPGEnc can perform such an operation
with fields, then can’t the player rearrange two fields in each frame when
playing on the fly? Maybe. But in fact, such players do not exist.
In addition, criticality to computer resources still remains, although it is not so
already demanding. But in this case, the video must be saved
interlaced, otherwise nothing will work with progressive video. And since the player
can apply a deinterlacing filter on the fly - again, this is not a big deal. Here
probably you should definitely use MPEG-2 since it is the only
knows how to handle fields correctly. Therefore, one can only expect that someone
implements this feature in its software player or writes such a player
again :) You can take the DVD2Avi project as a basis, the sources are available, video
he knows how to reproduce. My research with the source code showed that
that the Duron 1300 processor copes with the task assigned to it without any problems
task to play 25 fps MPEG-2 video, while converting it on the fly into
50 fps. However, this is the result of only video output without further processing.(deinterlacing, etc.), without audio output. Therefore, if the developers wish
already now you can achieve the same smoothness of the image as on a household
TV.
Hello, Daniel
I heard that windvd7 can deinterlace on the go.. I haven’t checked..
but the topic died out because there is no one willing to do it... and it feels like it’s especially
no one needs this..
Hello, Daniel
I tried to talk to professionals about this topic, and the question came up again.
dead end
if anyone is interested, read here
http://forum.videoediting.ru/index.php?showtopic=33634&st=0&gopid=291453&#entry
291453
Hello, psb
psb> that no one really needs it..
Apparently so. I'll speak for myself. I don't even have a DVD player.
So it’s easier to look at it in real life or in emulation.
Hello, Vyacheslav!
October 05, 2006 (it was 20:52 then)
Vyacheslav Kalinin in his letter to All wrote:
psb>> that no one really needs this..
VK> Apparently so. I'll speak for myself. I don't even have a DVD player.
VK> So, it’s easier to look at it in real life or in emulation.
The problem of deinterlacing needs to be solved in any way.
Hello, Vyacheslav!
October 6, 2006 (it was 10:50 then)
Vlad Sotnikov in his letter to Vyacheslav Kalinin wrote:
psb>>> that no one really needs this..
VK>> Apparently so. I'll speak for myself. I don't even have a DVD player.
VK>> So, it’s easier to look at it in real life or in emulation.
VS> The deinterlacing problem must be solved in any way.
By the way, here is one solution:
http://mediatory.ru/article10_article_2_1.phtml
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Hello new art
I still need to try rendering in Adobe Primere...
Hello, psb
psb> so far DVD is the most native spec format.
I think it will soon be easier to watch in avi format with a native frequency of 50 hertz,
Such players are already appearing.
Hello new art
If we are talking about progressive scan, then players have appeared, but what kind of
has to do with the DVD format. And why is DVD the spec's native format? :) DVD
disks are a medium ;) Spec produces 50 Hz frame scan, their TV
displays in two fields of its scan, as for the quality of the picture, then
The DV format is enough for such a video with a double margin, why invent it?
bike then.
Hello Digitizer
Dig> Daniel, what are the problems with deinterlacing? If you look at the PC, then
Dig> the player will do the deinterlacing itself, and if on a TV, then just one
Dig> alone, interlace is the native element of TV. And if you need help in
Dig> video transcoding, call 190-052-983, I’ll help. I work on TV myself
Dig> I do video editing.
It’s probably easier to post a piece of the video somewhere, and then you’ll post the iso
image
There are no problems with deinterlacing - the emulsion without interlacing captures. Need from 50p to
25i overtake.
Hello new art
new> I think it will soon be easier to watch in avi format with a native frequency of 50
new> hertz,
new> players like this are already appearing.
Not a single LCD emulates a handset.
Hello, psb
psb> well, not yet, and then it’s unknown.. real life too for the time being..
psb> do you get smoothness in the emulator?
psb>
psb> so far DVD is the most native spec format. so far originality
psb> only he can give. I think it will still exist for another 10 years... although
psb> maybe less..
psb> but you can watch demos without a computer :)
100% right. Soon we will not be able to show the average person what a demo on the ZX is.
Emuli doesn't count.
Hello F0lken
We are waiting for the result
Hello F0lken
F0l> In short, to get interlaced - a picture without a real Spectrum
F0l> - AVS script + emulator that can capture 50fps, 352x288 - that's it.
F0l> The main thing is that you can get by with just 1 Avishnik without unraveling
F0l> set of pictures.
F0l> If you want to encode DVDs, choosing an encoder is a creative question. TMPG Bonus -
F0l> it can guess the order of fields.
What I was talking about ten months ago :) But comrade psb didn’t believe it.
Hello F0lken
Yes, I almost forgot.
If you rip it through RealSpec, an icon appears in the lower right corner
"movie cameras", very rarely, but still annoying.
In this case, use the VDub filter - logo remover - there are many of them. Maybe
There is also avisynth, but then you need to apply this filter before resizing.
If I find the right filter for avisynth, I'll post the updated script.
Hello, Daniel
Anyway, I tried it.
RealSpec gives the best results, as expected, and its
windows-unstable version (drain the archive at the very end of the home page).
Multicolor is visible, the pixels are the color you need.
I can’t evaluate the sound because a bear stepped on my ear as a child (authentic AY
or not =))
The only thing that bothers me is the display of “multi-color” graphics when the screen
switches quickly and quickly =). I don’t know what they call it scientifically, but
what I saw today in the preliminary results (without DVD mastering in
media player) is monstrous.
Although, I assume that it will be fine on TV.
In short, to get an interlaced picture without a real Spectrum - script
AVS + emulator that can capture 50fps, 352x288 - that's it. The main thing is that you can
You can get by with just 1 Avishnik without adding them to a set of pictures.
If you want to encode DVDs, choosing an encoder is a creative question. TMPG bonus - he can
guess the order of the fields.
I strongly suspect that not a single budget tuner will give such a result -
inevitable interference and blurring.
Overall, Shit4Brains looks SUPER AWESOME!!
Good luck with your research.
Hello F0lken
F0l> Anyway, I tried it.
F0l> The only thing that worries me is the display of “multi-color” graphics when
F0l> the screen switches quickly and quickly =). I don’t know how it is according to science
F0l> is called, but what I saw today in the preliminary results
F0l> (without DVD mastering in media player) - this is monstrous.
Hello!
It seems to me that for effects operating two (or three) screens in color
it makes sense to use a filter in the emulator that adds color - at least
At least it’s definitely there in Unreal Speccy, and I think it should be in Real too. It seems to me
using such a filter is fair - since there are other ways to see the image
I don’t see it the same as it was on TV. At least when I
The last time I watched S4B under Unreal with this filter I liked it in terms of
historical accuracy of the picture.
BTW, can you post the resulting S4B video? DiVX or mastered DVD in iso?
Hello, Daniel
dan> I tried to talk with professionals about this topic, and the question came again
dan> reached a dead end
Yes, we have a dime a dozen of our own professionals! We need to lure KAN0 here - for me
it seems he can give the most expert opinion on this issue.
Hello F0lken
upd. 172 mb after RAR packaging
Hello, unbeliever
unb> Yes, we have a dime a dozen of our own professionals! We need to lure KAN0 here -
unb> it seems to me that he can give the most expert opinion on this
unb> question.
If it doesn’t send in azimuth =)
Regarding the posting. I killed s4b - I did it on rw.
Ready-made ones include EyeAche. Where to upload (400MB)? (I can during the week).
I don’t offer RapidShare or anything else - I can only fill it in one piece.
Suggestions in PM or email.
I warn you, watch it on a PAL TV and a _hardware_ DVD player. All
the rest (software players) disrupts the purity of the experience.
Hello F0lken
Take the sample
http://www.rapidshare.ru/74083
Eye Ache
PAL DVD ISO
Interlaced
Please, whoever downloads it and looks at it, let me know.
Hello F0lken
I'm pouring! I'll try...
Hello, Daniel
I have 300 meters of hosting on masterhost - if I figure out FTP access
then it will be possible to fill it there quickly, for a long time and for everyone.
Hello, The Exploited
Sports.... By and large, the debate is pointless. Everyone has their own memories
about what the Spectrum screen should look like. Someone had a dead lamp
TV, and someone has a top-end Electronics monitor. Does anyone have any
black and white TV and this really reflected in the work of these people (chunks).
So it’s not surprising that now the emulator’s picture even with filters
seems unnatural to many. But there are no other options, and the most important thing is that
nothing can be returned
Hello F0lken
F0l> Take the sample
F0l> http://www.rapidshare.ru/74083
F0l> Eye Ache
F0l> PAL DVD ISO
F0l> Interlaced
F0l> Please, whoever downloads it, looks at it, let me know.
+1
Hello, Daniel
By the way, what is the difference between the captured Real Spec and the Spectaculator?
Hello, unbeliever
Hurray! This is it! poured isoshnik onto the disc and on the hardware DVD connected to
TV and saw the demo in its original form. There is a slight joint on AGA plasma
Sometimes you can see the loss of a frame or something like that, but that’s GOOD!
I'll try to distill it myself...
Hello, Daniel
Don’t you think that digitizing from an emulator is kind of hmm... not sporty?
Hello, The Exploited
The> don't you think that digitizing from an emulator is kind of, hmm... not sporty?
x.z. in my garage there is a scorpion with a monitor packed in cellophane, I don’t even
I know if it will work if you turn it on, but at this stage it doesn’t matter.
Every morning and evening I worship the gods of spektrumism while looking at him.
Therefore, DVD is the only chance to visit the past, at least for me.
Dema on the monitor does not insert by and large; on TV it’s a different matter.
As for sports, I think Max (Unbeliever) and I left big sports
:)
Back 2 ze future on DVD!
Hello, unbeliever
unb> But there are no other options
Well, actually, at the CC all the works were digitalized from real life. another question is how...
Hello, unbeliever
oh damn =)) somehow I didn’t notice anyone on the presidium today =\ neither Artie nor MMA,
The sales of the Moscow brethren are no longer pleasing.
but as for sportiness, it seems to me that you don’t care much - it’s not an emulator for the sake of
echotag, but quite the opposite
Hello F0lken
F0l> Take the sample
F0l> http://www.rapidshare.ru/74083
F0l> Eye Ache
F0l> PAL DVD ISO
F0l> Interlaced
F0l> Please, whoever downloads it, looks at it, let me know.
Downloaded it. For those who find it difficult to download from free resources, I posted it here
http://www.muchkaev.ru/dvd/sample_pal_EA.rar
[http://www.muchkaev.ru/dvd/sample_pal_EA.rar] - will last two or three weeks without
restrictions.
Honestly, I’m very, very pleasantly surprised! Watched it on TV via a cheap DVD
player - I don’t know how the sound is, but the picture quality is fully adequate IMHO
originals (in my memories). I would really like a step-by-step FAQ on conversion
if possible!
Hello, unbeliever
Hmm. I apologize for the harshness.
In general, this is about digitization from real life.
A flag in your hands and a tambourine around your neck! What the next BT8x8 clone will capture is you.
look, okay? But these chips are installed on 90% of budget cards (up to $200) - well
or their modification. Screaming about “unsporting”, “need to be done in real life”, etc. - well...
IT WILL NOT WORK WITH THIS QUALITY. Even if you hurt yourself. The picture is not the same. Not alive
image, and every frame is valuable. So I ask you to refrain from extremism and
holy wars - it just looks funny.
Regarding the step-by-step guide.
If necessary, I will take screenshots and try to describe the whole process, really everything
“Okay” I’m at work, so it won’t be quick. See approximate description after
avs script post.
About the difference between the pictures of the speculator and the real-spectrum.
The main and most disgusting drawback of the speculator is that he writes the sound into the message board
_mono_. Although maybe I missed something =(. And it seems to spoil the AVI header.
Real Spectrum shows the camera icon in the lower left at some intervals
corner. This is reduced by a filter like LogoAway. And experienced avi synth gurus can find
Google the filter and insert the processing directly into the script. Then VirtualDub will be stupid
frameserver without any useful actions.
For now, I’ll outline the key technology again.
1. We rob 320x240@50fps avi from RealSpectrum. We use the unstable version forWin32, which runs in Window mode, not full screen. At the same time, we are not
I'm worried about the brakes and synchronization - everything will get into the AVI correctly. Who has a car
more powerful - set the maximum compression. The picture will not be spoiled, but the places
We'll save a lot.
2. Launch Virtual Dub. Load the Logo Away filter and configure it for
cutting out the camera. There is more than one filter like this, look for the one that appeals to you the most.
3. In the File menu, select Start Frame Server, save “pseudo”-avi on disk.
Let's start the frame server.
4. Open a text editor like notepad and enter in our avi synth script
path to the file created in step 3. This is a simple task, even those who
who suggests digitizing from real life =). Don't forget to save the file.
5. Launch ANOTHER Virtual Dub (let me remind you that we have the previous copy
frameserver verifies our demo and removes the camera through the filter)
6. Open the avs file as if it were a regular avi.
7. We see a picture of 720x576. Let's try.
8. Similarly to step 3, we launch another frame server. Save fake-avi to a new one
file.
9. Launch TMPG encoder. A trial version with full information is available on the website.
functionality. I note that in _well-known_ places you can look for a remedy for
depriving the developer of his hard-earned money. But I think that all the demos who
interesting ones can be digitized in a week.
10. If a picture with a Wizard appears, everything is ok. If not, in the file menu we call
it is forced.11. Open the avi saved in step 8. and in the wizard select PAL-DVD.
12. We encode EXCLUSIVELY in mpv+mp2 (something like that), and not in mpg. TMPG is not
inserts navigation information into the multiplexed stream. So many
DVD mastering tools may not eat mpg
13. We are waiting.
14. We feed the resulting pair of files to any DVD mastering utility.
15. We watch the demo and shed a few tears for the fucked-up 90s.
Programs used.
notepad.exe
AviSynth 2.5
Virtual Dub
TMPG Encoder
3 latest software - links to them are on www.doom9.org
Anyway, good luck and thanks for your attention. It's lazy to take screenshots. But can I
kick about the details via email or privately.
I'll explain if anything is unclear.
Hello, The Exploited
I downloaded it and looked it up on my computer. The sound is excellent, loud and loud.
The video is also good.
And this iso can be burned onto a simple CD so that you can watch it on DVD or
Do you only need a disc for DVD?
Maybe someone has already tried to record the thread, otherwise you don’t want to spoil the blanks, in case you don’t
it will work out...
Hello F0lken
You have problems with the perception of irony, dear.
Hello, alexeenko
ale> Maybe someone has already tried to record the thread, otherwise you don’t want to spoil the blanks
ale> suddenly it doesn't work...
what about RW? :v2_laugh:
Hello Costa
Actually, yes.
DVD-RW has not been canceled yet.
By the way, hint. If anyone writes for use with household players
"middle-aged", use -RW rather than +RW. It is more compatible with everyday life. technology,
than +, although this applies _ONLY_ to old brand devices.
I tried to record it on CDRW. The computer gobbled it up, but the omnivorous BBK didn’t gobble it up. XBOX devoured.
Hint N2.
If anyone is going to encode the video, try cutting down the bitrate. Need to find
the limit value after which quality begins to fade. Those. like pirates
they make 16in1 wheels =). Can be selected experimentally. This will allow you to stuff
for one 4GB boob more material. DL, unfortunately I don’t know how yet
"Master" so that they are normally eaten by a household player (freezes,
stops, skips).
There are a lot of different compilations on scene.org. How can I clear up the current downloads on
home server, I’ll immediately download the C64 demo - I need to see how “they” do it.
In general, in my opinion, it’s time to make a list of top demos of all times, which
You can put it on DVD.
Each demo is 7..10 minutes. Well, maybe 5. That is. maximum - 10% of the place. Total - 10
dem.
In general, offer options. I think I’ll do more preparation, maybe a script
face for avisynth with auto-removal of the logo from realspectrum, so as not
hemorrhoids.
There was an idea to roll up 3 demos from each party, starting with enlight 9x, so here it isbad luck - there were so many parties that it was unclear where to start
=))) and which ones to throw away.
More ideas - the menu for DVD can be made in the style of zx-format and similar ones. I really am
I’m not good at this - I was only good at dull backlighting of chapters when Macron
sculpted for himself and Full Metal Panic. In general, a lot of things can be thought of.
Hello Costa
Cos> and what about RW?
I wanted to watch it on a big TV. Vidak reads both. And here's what
I don't know the ISO format. Will his DVD recorder read it???
Hello, Daniel
dan> means this - I write the path to Avishnik in the AviSynth script, open it
dan> this script is in VirtualDube and it swears. Avishnik Spectacular!
dan> What's wrong?
Did you install AviSynth yourself?
If yes, then this is what I was talking about. The speculator corrupts the avi file.
Open avi in the dub, create a frameserver, and then put the frameserver avi in AVS.
To unbelieve;
How; is the disk from C64 called? Is he not on scene.org for an hour?
Hello F0lken
F0l> Hint N2.
F0l> If anyone encodes the video, try cutting down the bitrate. Need
F0l> find the boundary value after which the quality begins to fade.
F0l> That is. how pirates make 16in1 wheels =). Can be selected
F0l> experimentally. This will allow you to cram a larger piece of junk into one 4GB
F0l> material. DL, unfortunately I don’t yet know how to “make” them so that they
F0l> ate normally with a household player (freezes, stops, skips).
F0l> There are a lot of different compilations on scene.org. How to clear up the current ones
F0l> downloads on a home server, I’ll download the C64 demos right away - I’ll have to see how
F0l> "they" have done it.
F0l>
I just found an image of one of the C64 DVDs with demos in a torrent. Now I'm pumping out
(will be one of these days). Considering that they sell it for money, you can hope for
a certain quality - let's see/check. Old quality in which it is usual
distributed video versions of Amiga/C64 releases (which, by the way, were usually robbed
from live equipment) was quite low...
Hello, alexeenko
ale> I wanted to watch it on a big TV. Vidak reads both. A
ale> I don’t know what ISO format it is. Will his DVD recorder read it
ale> ???
Buddy! ISO is a disk image. In Nero you need to burn it not as a file, but as
image - "Burn image" there is such an item in the menu... In this case, the program sets
a minimum of questions and, accordingly, it is very difficult to make a mistake when burning a disc. Himself
I wrote on DVD-RW (its price is now 15-30 rubles), looked at it on XORO 311 Pro.
Hello, Daniel
I didn’t know about scene.org.... (they didn’t even notice the elephant).
What I download is described here:
http://www.stefan-uhlmann.de/cbm/DVD/DVD.html
[http://www.stefan-uhlmann.de/cbm/DVD/DVD.html]
It looks like it’s the same thing - I’ll download it and figure it out....
Hello F0lken
F0l> Did you install AviSynth yourself?
F0l> If yes, then this is what I was talking about. The speculator corrupts the avi file.
F0l> Open avi in the dub, create a frameserver, and then create a frameserver avi
F0l> slip it into AVS.
F0l> To unbeliver;
F0l>; What is the name of the C64 disk? Is he not on scene.org for an hour?
Of course I installed AviSynth! I need to try it... as you wrote!
By the way, on Scene.org I think there are two isoshniks with C64 demos!
Hello, alexeenko
ale> I wanted to watch it on a big TV. Vidak reads both. A
ale> I don’t know what ISO format it is. Will his DVD recorder read it
ale> ???
ISO is a disk image (CD or DVD) in our case DVD, like TRD :)
slip DVD-RW
Take Nero, file, open, *.iso, burn.
Good luck!
Hello, Daniel
Here they are:
each 2 Gb :)
There are also cut ones of 50 megs.
http://scene.org/file.php?file=/demos/compilations/c64_demo_sampler/c64_demo_dv
d_1.iso&fileinfo
http://scene.org/file.php?file=/demos/compilations/c64_demo_sampler/c64_demo_dv
d_2.iso&fileinfo
Hello, unbeliever
unb> I didn’t know about scene.org.... (they didn’t even notice the elephant).
unb> What I download is described here:
unb> http://www.stefan-uhlmann.de/cbm/DVD/DVD.html
unb> [http://www.stefan-uhlmann.de/cbm/DVD/DVD.html]
unb>
unb> It looks like it’s the same thing - I’ll download it and figure it out....
the truth is out there somewhere! :)
Hello, unbeliever
unb> What I download is described here:
unb> http://www.stefan-uhlmann.de/cbm/DVD/DVD.html
unb>
unb> It looks like it’s the same thing - I’ll download it and figure it out....
I don’t understand, is it possible to download it???? Can you put links here?
What I’m already pumping out on stage. How did I not notice this before????
Hello, Daniel
dan> Here they are:
dan> each 2 Gb
dan> there are also cut ones of 50 megs.
dan>
dan> http://scene.org/file.php?file=/dem..._1.iso&fileinfo
dan>
I downloaded this crap. I burned it to CD as required with the ISO image. Readable only
menu in which you select a square with a demo and Mouzon plays, but does not play demos
enters. Where is it wrong?
Hello elf
elf> I just remember the feeling that something was wrong with the emulated AY,
elf> even on not very good acoustics, the sound of the envelopes was different.
Different.
But more AY, YM it is more difficult to catch the difference.
Although, of course, the difference is more in the head.
For the sake of testing, I can post a few examples here, and let those who wish to try it
Guess where is real and where is emulsion.
Hello, alexeenko
ale> Downloaded this crap. Burned it to CD as required by the ISO image.
ale> Only the menu in which the square with the demo and Mouzon is selected is read
ale> plays, but is not included in the demos. Where is it wrong?
The ISO image doesn't require anything! It probably should be on DVD anyway :)
I didn’t download it, I can’t say anything! what size is the file?
Hello elf
elf> Hello!
elf>
elf> It's great that F0lken figured out how to receive a video signal. I'm not sure
elf> only that the same is true with sound. Those. it should be anyway
elf> compare what is obtained from the emulator with digitization for more or
elf> less than normal sound card.
Thanks for the compliment. Only it was not I who understood, but the previous speakers. I just mixed
it all comes together and simplifies the process as much as possible.
About the sound - unfortunately, not for me. I had problems with my hearing as a child. Yes
that I only sing when I'm drunk.
The only thing I can say is that if the sound is written from real life - the word
"you're getting bored" when describing the process of mixing music and video does not reflect the whole
completeness of the picture.
Hello, Daniel
dan> ISO image does not require anything! Probably should be on DVD anyway
dan> I didn’t download it, I can’t say anything! what size is the file?
This is the ISO that requires CD RW, it doesn’t write to DVD
The size of 1 file with iso is only 320 MB....
Hello, alexeenko
ale> In general, now we need to find free time to lie on the bed and have fun
ale> looking at the liquid crystal panel. True, the wide screen distorts
ale> effects, so you have to watch them on a regular TV screen.
ale>
ale> PS; If; Is there anything else like this please post!!!! I heard that
ale> there is the same video, but Amiga.
Free time, yes.
Regarding the diagonal. I also have a 16:9 panel, but everything is solved by switching to 4:3
Regarding other dems.
Go to ftp.scene.org under demos/compilations or something similar.
You'll be pleasantly surprised.
Hello F0lken
F0l> Free time, yes.
F0l> Regarding the diagonal. I also have a 16:9 panel, but everything is solved
F0l> translation to 4:3
F0l> Regarding other demos.
F0l> Go to ftp.scene.org in the section demos/compilations or something
F0l> similar.
F0l> You will be pleasantly surprised.
Yes, I did that on the 4:3 panel.
I went to the demo compilations section and saw a lot of files, including
DVD words. Tomorrow at work I’ll lightly download all these compilations, then
I'll figure out what it's about.
Hello, Daniel
No, there may be nothing in DVD form, but many are uploaded to DivX and MPEG2
demos, especially key ones from 2002. True, once again I respect Folken - all that
It was previously very cloudy compared to the presented sample. And so, I
almost all Amiga releases of recent years (Little Nell, Silkcut, Ocean Machine,
Lapsuus, Startruck) I downloaded in the video (although of course there is something, tnx to Vinny, for me
managed to run on my A4000/040D and Electronics 320). However, all these
Amiga releases were robbed from a live car and the quality was not very good....
In short, I am for voting on the best demos from which the first DVD should be made.
I suggest opening a topic on this topic. In reality, no more than 10 works will fit on the disk.
On my own behalf I would like to offer not only the most powerful, but also the most difficult
demo emulation. My shortlist;
Refresh;
Forever (FT98 party version)
S4B
Eye Ache 1 & 2
Napalm
Devotion
RiZC
Condommed
Dogma
Stellar Contour
TraumWerk
Kkolor
latest party 1st -2nd place titles
this is really what I would like to see on the first disc. With this S4B I'm ready
see at the beginning and at the end and in the middle, since no matter what is released after
August 1997, but everyone who saw it live on E97 will never forget the feeling
a real culture shock!
Hello, psb
psb> what were you talking about? that TMPG will do everything itself? or what? interlace
psb> VD does it here, if I knew about these scripts, I wouldn’t bother with
psb> prog.. but what to encode, TMPG or something else - it doesn’t matter. it will be necessary
psb> I should try again :)
http://zx.pk.ru/showpost.php?p=44449&postcount=29
and further on the topic, including a screenshot from Tmpeg
Hello icebear
ice> What I said already twelve months ago But the comrade psb didn’t believe it
what were you talking about? that TMPG will do everything itself? or what? interlaced here
does VD, if I knew about these scripts, I wouldn’t bother with the program.. but what
encode, TMPG or something else - it doesn’t matter. I'll have to try it again :)
Hello icebear
ice> VirtualDub->Video->Frame rate->Frame rate conversion->Convert to fps
This is not right, because of this there was so much talk.
Hello F0lken
F0l> Go to ftp.scene.org in the section demos/compilations or something
F0l> similar.
F0l> You will be pleasantly surprised.
Well, I got my hands on the fast Internet and..... went there properly. First
I decided to rewrite everything. Naive...... There you need to buy a new screw, so that
pump out. In general, I have already pumped out almost a third. A lot of things are not cleared up, he writes
broken archive. But the fact that it worked really pleased me. Now I'll have a good look
all parties and Amiga demos. I'm already recording on blanks. In general, for the whole night,
work. I don’t know when to watch it yet, probably in retirement...
Hello F0lken
F0l> Here is the script for AviSynth.
F0l> ----------------------------------
F0l> AVISource("d:Untitled3.avi") # or whatever the actual pathname is
F0l> AssumeFieldBased( )
F0l> BicubicResize(720,288,0,0.75)
F0l> Weave()
F0l> ----------------------------------
F0l> Next, we load this avs into VirtualDubMod, like a regular avi.
F0l> We see a 720x576 image.
F0l> If you encode in microsoft rle, avs may swear that it can’t
F0l> open avi file.
F0l> Then a trick with our ears - in VirtualDub we create a frame server from the original
F0l> avi, and in avs we enter the name of the frame server. Let's launch another one
F0l> VirtualDub, trying to open avs again.
F0lken, or someone else - tell us in more detail what should be written in the avs file,
so that there is no error 'the video decompressor couldn't produce YUY2 or RGB
output'? If I write the name of a vdr file in it, I get the error 'couldn't' in response
open file'. Better with examples.
And also, so that the camera icon does not appear in the video when using Real Spectrum,
you need to put O.S.D. before recording: 0 text lines and Record O.S.D; NO;
Hello elf
elf> F0lken, or someone else - tell us in more detail what should be written in
elf> avs file so that there is no error 'the video decompressor couldn't
elf> produce YUY2 or RGB output'? If I write the name of the vdr file in it, then
elf> I get the error 'couldn't open file' in response. Better with examples.
elf>
elf> And also, so that the camera icon does not appear in the video when using Real
elf> Spectrum, you need to set O.S.D.: 0 text lines and Record before recording
elf> O.S.D; NO;
I agree, I also have swearing...
Hello elf
elf> F0lken responded to me by e-mail;
elf>;
elf> ---------------
elf> firstly, save not as VDR, but as AVI (that is, also frameserver
elf> but
elf> in the filter select *.avi)
elf> secondly - do not forget that your FRAMESERVER must WORK in
elf> this
elf> moment (small window hanging with the number of sent frames)
elf> thirdly, update VirtualDub.
elf> And don’t forget to run AUXSetup in it so that it registers these types
elf> (AVI (vdr) to the system)
elf> -----
elf>
elf> I tried it - it works great!
save as avi what? script?
AUXSetup - where is it?
Hello, Daniel
dan> save as avi what? script?
dan> AUXSetup - where is this?
how to save the avi file when you do start frame server.
AuxSetup - in Program files/Virtual Dub
Hello new art
new> Whoever needs it, let him buy the adapter.
That's it! Targeting the lazy or wretched has never led to
good quality of work done.
new> Better reduce the bitrate a little, but leave it in stereo, by the way, are you pressing the sound?
even if you press it into a good VBR mp3, which will suit 95% of people, then for 5 minutes
will be 10 megs. mono - 5 megs. Compared to the total video size - the difference
nonsense, so saving on sound is stupid.
Hello, Daniel
dan> 1. What to do with Border (full or small)
What kind of resolution comes out here and there?
Do you know that DVD pixels are not square?
In general, in theory, you can store a 352x288 image, and let the player resize it, I
I think that resizing the player exactly 2 times will allow you to get exactly the same as
from a real spec. The only thing is to avoid losing all the details when compressing,
The video bitrate needs to be increased one and a half to two times.
Hello, Daniel
dan> 2. If the sound is mono, is it critical? (It’s just that many players have
dan> are connected to a regular TV and it happens that the sound from one channel is for
dan> AY this is a complete collapse.!
What are you doing!! The demos were recorded in Stereo!!
Many players have a mono mode.
Whoever needs it, let him buy an adapter.
It’s better to reduce the bitrate a little, but leave it in stereo, by the way, are you pressing the sound?
Hello, Daniel
dan> Yes, I just haven’t decided on the style yet, if ZYX then probably already
dan> no need!
Why 1024x768 when the final resolution is 704x576?
And so the idea with ZYX is completely fine, just don’t make a naked picture, and also
a bunch of video, with a short looped music, for a minute.
True, it will be necessary to somehow come up with highlighting options in the topic.
By the way, if you already care about people with mono TV, make two audio tracks.
Hello, Daniel
dan> Please, at least first, backgrounds on the topic of zx demoscene... (1024*768
dan> probably enough)
What is this for, for a menu?
Hello, Daniel
dan> where is this from?
dan> 1024*768 will be fine - believe me! as much as possible...
This resolution is not supported by the DVD specifications.
dan> and here and there the standard DVD Palovsky 720 for some...
dan> it’s just that in one case the border is entire and in another it’s twice as big
I mistyped 704.
So about the curb.
Spectrum resolution: 384x312 (320) If we want to get minimal
distortions then need to be resized 2 times, without any filters.
And we get 768x624 (640)
Since it’s still a rare TV that will produce such a resolution and the standard is not
supports, then we crop the image using the border to 720x576.
The result is 2x redundancy. Therefore, first I advise you to try
encode the image 1 in 1, without resizing, but again with a slight crop
border, that is, 352x288. At this resolution, a bitrate of 4 Mbit is quite enough.
I think the quality will be the same, and there will be 2 times more demos.
Hello, Daniel
so there will be stereo sound.
Hello, Daniel
By the way, a few more points:
1.What to do with Border (full or small)
2. If the sound is mono, is it critical? (It’s just that many players are connected to
to a regular TV and it happens that the sound is from one channel - for AY this is a complete disaster.!
If the epilogue is looped at the end, what to do with the music? Fade out? or just
chop?
3. What is the bitrate? did 6912 kbps s4b it turned out 350 meters (mono), it turns out
12 demos +/-...
4. What style is the menu? There was a proposal to use ZYX, does everyone agree?
Hello elf
all scripts and programs are in the garden! What haven't I tried...?
We take CanOpus Pro coder 2 and stupidly transfer avi spectaculatora to DVD (directly to
VOB) and tried to play with the fields - it doesn’t matter - it’s still smooth and high-quality...
Therefore, the question has arisen - what will we convert to the first DVD? And what else will we do?
you need to tinker - make a menu. Please at least start with backgrounds on the topic zx
demoscene... (1024*768 is probably enough)
Hello new art
Layer II 224 kbps stereo will be.
Hello new art
new> 704x576?
where is this from?
1024*768 will be fine - believe me! as much as possible...
Hello new art
new> What is the resolution here and there?
new> Do you know that DVD pixels are not square?
new> In general, in theory, you can store a 352x288 image, and let the player do it
new> resize, I think that resizing the player exactly 2 times will allow you to get it
new> is exactly the same as with the real spec. The only thing is to
new> compression does not lose any details, the video bitrate is needed once in
new> raise one and a half to two.
and here and there the standard DVD Palovsky 720 for some...
it’s just that in one case the border is entire and in another it’s twice as big
We won't rely on chance :) we don't do VCDs :v2_wink2;
bitrate; Is 9000 ok?
Hello new art
new> What is this for, for a menu?
Yes, I just haven’t decided on the style yet, if it’s ZYX then I probably don’t need it anymore!
Hello, Daniel
dan> Layer II 224 kbit/s stereo will be.
why him? Are they already abandoning it?
Hello, moroz1999
And, and still - ABC/ACB?
Hello new art
new> Do you know that DVD pixels are not square?
they are there in diamond shapes, yeah :)))
daniel, how is the issue of converting the Pentagon’s 48-something hertz to 25 resolved?
those. What's going on with the sound? who resamples it?
and this.. IMHO, but there’s no need for mono.. but it would be nice to have subtitles,
title, authors, year/party, etc.
Hello, moroz1999
mor> and also - ABC/ACB?
Now I listened to how Spectraculator emulates AY, HORROR!! :v2_sick;
Noises; envelope... as if I went back 5 years into the past... that's just crazy
mono, abc, acb... :v2_conf2;
So; As a way out, I see attaching video recording to Unreal.
Hello new art
Somehow this SpectaХУlator thing doesn’t want to record video more than
352x288, and the sound, the asshole writes in mono anyway. :confused;
Maybe; Should he be grunted? :v2_conf2:
Hello, psb
psb> they are there in diamond shapes, yeah))
I meant the relation to the pixels of PC monitors, for example I take a picture of 500
pixels wide, I measure it with a ruler, rotate it 90 degrees, and measure it,
it became longer by half a centimeter. So that the circle would be a circle on the monitor
and on the TV, when authoring in Photoshop, we specified the aspect ratio of the pixels.
Hello new art
Daniel, why didn’t you like the option that F0lken suggested? RS32 issues
The sound is normal, and the video after all the manipulations is of excellent quality.
I converted all INWARD demos to mpeg2. One DVD fits about an hour and a half with
maximum quality in TMPGenc. I didn’t worry about converting 48 Hz to 25 -
I was more than satisfied with what I got.
Hello elf
elf> I didn’t worry about converting 48 Hz to 25 - that’s what I get
elf> more than satisfied.
Are frame effects normal? Objects moving smoothly have not acquired a shadow
(trail)?
Is the chessboard distinguishable or does it merge into a uniform tone?
Have you checked the TV+DVD player?
Hello, Daniel
dan> in general, we’ve been fighting this throughout the entire topic... we seem to have overcome it... :)
Well then cool :D
Hello new art
There will also be a slightly uneven movement in the scrolls - due to beats between
pixel rendering frequency and screen drawing frequency - looks like
"bounce" one pixel back (forward) with the frequency of these beats. Although on TV
it might smooth out...
Hello, Daniel
dan> add, for example, two audio tracks (ABC/ACB), you need to think...
By the way, not the worst solution to the problem!!
dan> GIGSCREEN in the emulator on/off?
I am for maximum proximity to reality, so everything that is completed
emulator - you need to cut it off. leave only hardware gigascreen emulation,
the way it was in hardware, and enabled by software.
Don't skimp on the bitrate, blanks are cheap :D
Hello, Daniel
The sound will be ABC (we seem to have all written under ABC?), not counting those where it is possible
choose... And maybe someone else has a Windows font based on the ZYX boot?
GIGSCREEN in the emulator on/off?
Elfh! What bitrate did you use for the video? and how many demos are included?
Hello elf
elf> Daniel, why didn’t you like the option that F0lken suggested?
elf> RS32 produces normal sound, and video after all manipulations
elf> turns out to be of excellent quality. I converted all INWARD demos to mpeg2. Ha
elf> 1 DVD fits in for about an hour and a half with maximum quality
elf> TMPGenc. I didn’t worry about converting 48 Hz to 25 - so what
elf> it turns out I was more than satisfied.
Yesterday I switched to RS32 myself, due to the fact that the stereo in the spectaculatore could not
do it! I noticed one feature in the video spectacle that is captured 50.00
fps and in realspec 48.62 - which, according to Pentagon standards, is correct! The sound is there
really better! Canopus understands and doesn't seem to screw up...
Hello, m.d.
md> There will also be a slightly uneven movement in the scrolls - due to beats
md> between pixel rendering frequency and screen drawing frequency -
md> looks like a “bounce” one pixel back (forward) with the frequency of these
md> beats. Although it might be smoother on TV...
In general, we’ve been struggling with this throughout the entire topic... we seem to have overcome it... :)
Hello new art
new> Are frame effects normal? Objects moving smoothly, not acquired
new> shadow (trail)?
new> Is the chess field distinguishable or does it merge into a uniform tone?
new> Have you checked the TV+DVD player?
You won’t believe it - everything is smooth! I don’t understand how this happens! Maybe it's not there after all
25 Hz turns out to be 24.31?
I noticed a slight blurring of blue on black, the rest do not wash.
Hello, psb
psb> they are there in diamond shapes, yeah :)))
psb>
psb> daniel, how is the issue of transferring Pentagon 48-somethings being resolved
psb> Hertz at 25? those. What's going on with the sound? who resamples it?
psb>
psb> and this.. IMHO, but mono is not necessary.. but subtitles would be nice
psb> do, title, authors, year/party, etc.
Canopus adjusts everything itself...to 25 Hz Pal
Regarding subtitles, you can develop this topic and add, for example, two tracks
sound (ABC/ACB), you need to think...
Hello new art
new> This meant the relation to the pixels of PC monitors
For some reason it seems to me that if you make a picture in pal size (4:3),
If you draw a circle there and watch it on TV, it will be a circle.
for us, most likely, it will not matter; resizing is best
exactly 2 times.
md> There will also be a little uneven movement in the scrolls
no unevenness! if you do everything correctly, as you learned;)
dan> and add, for example, two audio tracks (ABC/ACB), you need to think...
It’s probably better to understand in what layout the author wrote, if possible, and
make just one.
By the way, listen to the sound carefully! I noticed on some rs32
obvious distortion on high quiet sounds (most likely due to the fact that the sound is 8
bitny.. or again the sound player is behaving like this).
mor> leave only hardware gigascreen emulation,
is this standard? I would prefer a naked Pentagon, with all these gigascreens blinking
the way they blink. I think not everyone had it, hardware...
Hello new art
please show me a piece of 2 mpega for example from part 2 of the stroke ..
Hello, psb
psb> For some reason it seems to me that if you make a picture the size is pal
psb> (4:3), if you draw a circle there and look at it on TV, there will be a circle.
It’s not at all a fact, for example NTSC 720x480 when played is stretched to 540...
But on the other hand, considering that even the authors could have Soviet monitors
configured as you like, I'm not even talking about ABC/ACB, these are all trifles.
Hello, Daniel
dan> Elfh! What bitrate did you use for the video? and how many demos are included?
I installed in TMPGenc; 2; pass variable bitrate (max 9000) and motion search
precision with highest quality - with these settings the press takes the longest, but
The quality/volume ratio is also very good. Dem 9 and another 500 MB free
left, considering that our Microcosm takes 40 minutes. Here are the data for 6
minute Inmost Sun; video; 250MB, sound in wav 96MB. Menu creation and final
I haven't done any mastering yet. Yes, I didn't turn on gigascreen.
Hello Orionsoft
Ori> please show me a piece of 2 mpg for example from part 2 of the stroke ..
Somewhere along the topic Eye Ache ran, swing, look... :D
Hello, Daniel
dan> Take CanOpus Pro coder 2
I have version 1.01.35.0
is the second one better?
can you send me some soap?
Hello, Daniel
it was removed from there =(
Hello Orionsoft
Ori> I have version 1.01.35.0
Ori> is the second one better?
Ori> can you send it for soap?
nope! it is several tens of meters...
try here:
http://binural.ru/2006/09/03/canopus_pro_coder.html
I don’t know the differences, because I immediately installed the second one...
Hello Orionsoft
daniel
And after everything is ready, will it be possible to buy/download the disc?
Hello, Daniel
yes, at least 30, no problem :)
Hello, moroz1999
mor> yes, at least 30, no problem :)
Well then, I can put it on rapid speed, but it’s an ambush... :v2_confu:
Hello, Daniel
If you find someone, then I can give it to the donkey. in principle, and in torrent - not
problem, I just don’t use it, but it’s possible.
Hello, moroz1999
Let's do it anywhere so you can download it from Ukraine.
I promise on my own that I can post it on ftp for a week.
Hello point777
poi> Let's do it anywhere so you can download from Ukraine.
poi> I promise on my own behalf that I can post it on ftp for a week.
beta vers ready
on Vol. #1 will be:
eye Ache
eye Ache 2
s4b
trash
rage
napalm
devotion
rizc
r
cpu ducks you
t_dream
contour stellar
some other two - only 14 memory was cut off in the morning: v2_rolley
The menu will be without anime, so give me a picture for the background...
I’ll catch a few more glitches and that’s it!
Hello Vinny
Vin> can actually make the quality a little worse
real, but who needs it worse? it needs to look perfect and
listened :)
Hello, Daniel
dan> beta vers ready
dan> on Vol. #1 will be:
and it weighs 5gig? can really make the quality/resolution a little worse so that
Can you fit more demos?
Hello Vinny
I don’t believe in the quality of mpeg2 at 25 fps (scrollers twitch)
I’m here with a stroke 1 sub... in different modes and the result did not suit me....
Hello Orionsoft
Ori> I don’t believe in the quality of mpeg2 at 25 fps (scrollers twitch)
Ori> I'm here with a stroke 1 sub... in different modes and the result doesn't work for me
Ori> arranged ....
you shouldn't believe it! The whole feature is in the fields (half-frames), and therefore the loss of information is 0,
not counting the loss of mpeg2 :)
Hello Vinny
Vin> and it weighs 5gig? can actually make it a little worse
Vin> quality/resolution to fit more demos?
Well, not 5, I bent that, but 4.3 Gig can fill up to 3 gigs.
6000 visually there were no special differences...
Hello, Daniel
dan> scrollers twitch
on a real, iron DVD player there will be no twitching at all! but on PC in
software ones easily :) although.. someone told me that WinDVD 7 seems to be able to
play DVD correctly - 50 Hz. if they watch it on TV, maybe not either
will twitch :)
Hello, psb
psb> nothing will twitch on a real, iron DVD player! but on
psb> PC in software easily :) although.. someone told me that WinDVD 7,
psb> seems to be able to play DVDs correctly - 50 Hz. if they look at
psb> TV, then maybe it won’t twitch either :)
BY THE WAY_YES! This all applies to hardware DVD connected to a 50Hz TV. On
The computer finally keeps twitching.
Hello, Daniel
dan> Will you download five gigs?
I will. I use the filepost.ru service regularly.
When will the full version be ready?
Hello, Daniel
dan> if I can’t reach an agreement with the admins, it will probably be easier by mail
dan> send it to someone so they can post it on the internet.
dan>
oooh brother!
What words do I hear... Send... By mail....
Isn’t it just like the good old days?????
Would it be easy for me to send a blank to my good old verified address?
And I’ll stress myself out - I’ll post the ISO on hosting for all the fans :-)
Come on! Let's remember our youth :-)
Hello, unbeliever
Colleagues!
I read diagonally.... I correctly understood that the instructions with pictures for
There are still no downs. Just like there is no all software and codecs collected in one archive
to download and not worry.....
Well... Then the question is... Who is from Moscow and who already has completed demos?
Share... DC++ Corbina or something else.....
Hello, unbeliever
unb> DC++ Corbina
How's that? What kind of Corbina is this? For example, in the general grid I have ODC 2.06 How
connect this garbage here?
Hello, Daniel
dan> AAA! Please post pictures of the menus, I’d like to see how it is with the bourgeoisie
dan> done...
I can’t “rob” them from the computer screen. The image is not captured.
I tried it with the Grab region program. Multi-colored menus drawn in Photoshop,
then mini pictures of the demos are inserted into them and navigation is done. In general, everyone has
differently. As far as I know, you can do this in Nero 7 automatically.
There I even made a 3D menu, but I lost several DVD discs in the process.
Hello, alexeenko
ale> It turned out 9 DVD discs of demos from the Amiga and Commodore and 2 CDs with Amiga
ale> demi.
AAA! Please post pictures of the menus, I’d like to see how it is with the bourgeoisie
done...
Hello, unbeliever
unb> oooh brother!
unb> What words do I hear... Send... By mail....
unb> It's not like the good old days?????
unb> Is it hard for me to send a blank to my good old verified address?
unb> And I’ll stress myself - I’ll post the ISO on hosting for all the fans :-)
unb>
unb> Come on! Let's remember our youth :-)
yes no problem! I just need to finish finishing it, I went through a bunch of software,
I had to study the DVD Lab manuals. Looks like I’ve done everything, mastered it, but
DVD hardware is even buggy (sometimes after viewing the selected demo it doesn’t
returns to the menu). The funny thing is that the navigation on the computer works properly...
This is a glitch of mine, the player or DVD Lab I will find out. It's really unpleasant...
Max! And remind me of the address in a personal message :)