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Hello Eudgine!
Tue 04-Jan-2000 01:55, you (500:95/468@ZXNet) wrote a letter to Alexey Zinoviev:
EP> download... Now my phone is unloading and the dialer is loading. After
EP> completion - washed again. And so several times a night. I just wanted
EP> establish a connection to the Internet using regular soap.
You register the data to the left address:
───────────── Cut and save ────────────{Subst.Lst}───
;
128:128/128.128
[2]#timeCM
[2] #phone 123-4567
───────────── Cut and save ────────────{Subst.Lst}───
at the right time you generate a pool:
───────────── Cut and save ────────────{Events.Ctl}───
[M] Poll 128:128/128.128 P.2:00
───────────── Cut and save ────────────{Events.Ctl}───
and/or for manual dialing:
───────────── Cut and save ────────────{Keys.Ctl}───
Key Poll 128:128/128.128
───────────── Cut and save ────────────{Keys.Ctl}───
now the most important thing:
───────────── Cut and save ────────────{t-mail.ctl}───
;
[2] Extern_Mail [128:128/128.128] login X:FIDOT-MAILppp.Cmd *P
───────────── Cut and save ────────────{t-mail.ctl}───
After dialing and connecting, upon arrival of the 'login' line, you will start this
Shaiza and establishes a connection.
Don’t ask me what to write in it for mastday, I can only tell you aboutin half - I have this shayza on my rex (so I think that the whole thing is for you
uninteresting), it is immediately launched from it by a separate ppp process:
───────────── Cut and save ────────────{login.Cmd}───
@echo off
mode con1 co80.15
set hostname=localhost
rem what is below is one line:
ppp.exe com%1 57600 netmask 255.255.255.0 mru 1500 rtscts defaultroute idle 1
exit user your_login name your_login secret your_password
exit ───────────── Cut and save ────────────{login.Cmd}───
(although you can do the opposite - login in the mouse window, and run the rocking modifications
separate processes from the login, this is not important)
then my bobby waits until ppp logs in, then launches various nonsense,
which downloads mail, then sends break for ppp (go -ka ppp.exe), login
closes, the bobby also falls off and returns to the soap.
With best wishes, Vladimir.
Hello Eugene!
Sun 16-Jan-2000 01:23, you (500:95/468@ZXNet) wrote a letter to me:
VL>> mode con1 co80,15
EP> What does this do?
The console is 80x15, why do I need a standard 80x25 window for such a small thing? ;)
VL>> set hostname=localhost
EP> What is localhost? Explain with some example...
This is for ppp, without hostname he cursed and paused for 30 seconds. I registered
the first thing that came to mind, i.e. localhost. You can register SuperLarkov or
MegaPalenock, on the drum.
I myself have never installed tcpip in its entirety, I took it from Gruzdev terribly
a broken archive with the minimum necessary, I sorted it into catalogs, added a little
in config.sys. Doc isn't there. ;)
VL>> rem what is below is one line:
VL>> ppp.exe com%1 57600 netmask 255.255.255.0 mru 1500 rtscts defaultroute
VL>> idle 1 exit user your_login name your_login secret your_password
EP> What is ppp.exe and where can I download it for Win98/TMail2607NT?
I immediately warned that I will not give specific advice under the mastday, because
I don't have it. In this case, bisecting ppp establishes a tcpip connection
(if you already have a modem that you washed) and logs in. Who can do thisdo it in a mastday - idk, torture the mastday people, rummage through the software you have
he's using it now, maybe he understands the parameters, I just suggested
the direction in which to dig. ;-)
With best wishes, Vladimir.
Hello Eudgine!
Tue 18-Jan-2000 07:58, you (500:95/468@ZXNet) wrote a letter to me:
VL>> ppp.exe com%1 57600 netmask 255.255.255.0 mru 1500 rtscts defaultroute
VL>> idle 1 exit user your_login name your_login secret your_password
EP> I found a lot of this on the Internet, the package is called IAK. But this whole program
EP> connections in the OS are for some reason mentioned only in the context of OS/2 :(
Gruzdev, over there, says that stink'9x is a kind of boot for launching toys. If
This boot is used by games and secretaries, then why are there any parameters in
transmitting to command line is too difficult ;)))
EP> Or maybe Win98 has something for this initially?
EP> There are many files in C:WINDOWS
_I_ don't know. I don't have C:WINDOWS. Run with '/?
Hello Roman!
Tue 18-Jan-2000 23:39, you (500:812/5@ZXNet) wrote a letter to me:
VL>> I washed it myself. Like any soaper. Literally. Calls and installs
VL>> connection. _Modem_. What to do next is the second question ;)
RA> I hope you don’t need to explain the difference between a “modem connection” and
RA> "internet connection"?
It is necessary. I'm dark, I need it. I don’t understand why if a person wants
dial with soap and launch Internet gadgets after the connection,
established by law, it is imperative to understand everything literally, and not in essence.
With best wishes, Vladimir.
Hello, Eugene!
19 Jan 00 07:03, Eugene Palenock -> Roman Alexandrov:
RA>> I hope you don’t need to explain the difference between
RA>> "modem connection" and "internet connection"?
EP> Internet connection is also a modem connection, the main thing is to find the software
EP> which will make him internet...
Well, insanity... Explain in Russian what you want?
The connection to the Internet can be via LAN, via a modem using
terminal and via modem using winsock. You are using the last one
A option that you can control only by calling remote access.
Use a timer dialer to enable/disable t-mail, connect to the Internet and launch
mail exchange batch files. T-Mail IP is useless for you in any case.
Best regards, Alexey
Hello, Alexey!
Thu 20-Jan-2000 09:40, you (500:95/100@ZXNet) wrote a letter to me:
VL>> Tmyl (modem) does not work with the Internet in St. Petersburg either. He only
VL>> dials up to the provider and connects to its modem.
VL>> Or do you think that the Internet dialer dials somehow differently
VL>> number? ;)
AI> He dialed the number, what next? Beeped the line and disconnected?
Ufff... Why? I waited for the CONNECT line and launched the one who can
establish an “Internet” connection with interesting Moscow providers.
Imagine that the dialer itself was ripped out of your Internet dialer and
We entrusted dialing the number to another program, in our case to the soaper. If the dialer
does not know how to establish an “Internet” connection without dialing a number, using a ready-made one
modem channel, then this just means that it is stupid and you need to look for
another.
Why is this more convenient and why all this chacha: all the Internet crap starts only
when there is already a connection with the provider. If the provider is bad, then no problem
fatten the memory of some fucking special dialer. If after raising
pipes (for dialing a number) in the NO DIAL TONE line, this means that it is broken
point/link and you should not throw the pipe, but verify it with a soaper.
With best wishes, Vladimir.
Hello, Alex!
20 Jan 00 08:02, Alex Letaev -> Eugene Palenock:
AL> Isn’t it easier to call the PPP connector, and it will call you by itself
AL> to your specific scripts, otherwise directly from
AL> there will be no modem control?
So I’m already tired of talking about it. You must use winsock.
T-mail, by calling any Moscow provider - nothing more than just
telephone with the dialed number. We all have windows. And the providers are all just
TCP/IP. Without using winsock only through the left Unix grid
you can connect, but almost everywhere they have brake ducts (since already from
minimum from a third-level provider).
I’m not talking about the Amiga - they use a similar system in this case, but
non-terminal connection to the Internet via UUCP.
Best regards, Alexey
Hello, Alex!
Thu 20-Jan-2000 08:02, you (2:5020/689.53) wrote a letter to Eugene Palenock:
EP>> I don’t need my brain to work with the Internet. I only need the number in it
EP>> dial, and that’s it.
AL> Isn’t it easier to call a PPP connector, and he will call his own
AL> specific scripts, otherwise there will be no control directly from it
AL> modem?
Read my answer - it’s inconvenient, you need to receive incoming calls with a soaper. During the hours
incoming peak like from a machine gun, the soaper will simply respond with NO DIAL TONE, specific
the dialer will throw a pipe, and this is a saxophone.
With best wishes, Vladimir.
Hello Alexey Ivanov! In a message of 20 Jan 00 Alexey Ivanov wrote to Igor
Gruzdev:
AI> In Moscow, uucp is not supported via dialup.
So what's the point of such a connection in the absence of a local connection?
write Fido through the newsserver with a normal To: field, although this is also feasible
using Bink and an Internet node. Although, if desired, it is possible with PPP
connection, use something like our FakeUUCP for this. And email
a server on a home machine is an activity for maniacs. :-) Conclusion - why not
necessary. And, imho, what could be simpler than launching a PPP connector.
Best regards, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.
>E-MAIL: asder_ffc@softhome.net ICQ: #13064553
Hello Vladimir Larkov! In a message of 21 Jan 00 Vladimir Larkov wrote to me:
VL> Read my answer - it’s inconvenient, you need to receive incoming calls
VL> soaper. During rush hours, people entering like a machine gun, the soaper will simply answer by
VL> NO DIAL TONE, a specific dialer will throw a pipe, and this is a saxophone.
I don't understand again. :-( The specific dialer does not work or something
dial tone when, when trying to dial, you picked up the handset at the moment of an incoming call?
Can you configure the script in it to work with no dial tone? or is there another problem?
Best regards, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.
>E-MAIL: asder_ffc@softhome.net ICQ: #13064553
Hello, Igor!
20 Jan 00 17:43, Igor Gruzdev -> Alexey Ivanov:
AI>> How will the connection with the provider be established?
AI>> It's like farting in a puddle (in the case of
AI>> Moscow providers)...
IG> So it is. So as not to be unfounded, the task: take
IG> terminal that allows you to record the entire log of your work in
IG> file. Call any Internet provider in Moscow
IG> _don't press anything_. You'll fall off due to timeout. Log starting from
IG> lines atdxxxxx and connectZZZZ to atz/ok to the studio.
Here's the log. If you tell me how to launch remote access under Windows
after connecting with the terminal without breaking the connection...
OK
atdp7284001
CONNECT 19200/ARQ/V34/LAPM/V42BIS/REM"USR"
User Access Verification
rtr!login: XXXXXXXX
Password: XXXXXXXX
Entering PPP mode.
Async interface address is unnumbered (Ethernet0)
Your IP address is 195.14.32.27. MTU is 1500 bytes
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Remote access does not start - the modem is busy with another program.
After this, would you say that t-mail can do something else?
Well, it will launch an external program... It will hang until the t-mail
will fall off the line.
Best regards, Alexey
Hello Alexey!
January 21, 2000 (it was 11:14 then)
Alexey Ivanov in his letter to Igor Gruzdev wrote:
AI>>> How will the connection with the provider be established?
IG>> So it is. So as not to be unfounded, the task: take
IG>> terminal that allows you to record the entire log of your work in
IG>> file. Call any Internet provider in Moscow
AI> Here's the log. If you tell me how to launch remote access under
AI> Windows after connecting to the terminal without breaking the connection...
with the help of perversions, it won’t work any other way
AI> OK
AI> atdp7284001
AI> CONNECT 19200/ARQ/V34/LAPM/V42BIS/REM"USR"
AI> User Access Verification
AI> rtr!login: XXXXXXXX
here! ^^^^^ is the key word, using it we fall out of the t-soap without throwing the pipe.
t-mail.ctl ---
Extern_mail login Exit 98
Modem_Answer AT&D1A|
---
and here’s how I can tell him to pick up PPP over a ready connection -
I have a hard time imagining it.
P.S. about the functionality of this scheme: under HT it is configured so that it rings
fidoshnik - t-myl gives soap, they call using Windows remote access - t-mylraises the remote access server and connects the user via TCP/IP
Best regards, Artem
Hello, Alexey!
Fri 21-Jan-2000 11:14, you (500:95/100@ZXNet) wrote a letter to Igor Gruzdev:
IG>> Call any Internet provider in Moscow
IG>> _don't press anything_. You'll fall off due to timeout. Log starting from
IG>> lines atdxxxxx and connectZZZZ to atz/ok to the studio.
AI> Here's the log. If you tell me how to launch remote access under
AI> Windows after connecting to the terminal without breaking the connection...
AI> OK
AI> atdp7284001
AI> CONNECT 19200/ARQ/V34/LAPM/V42BIS/REM"USR"
AI> User Access Verification
AI> rtr!login: XXXXXXXX
AI> Password: XXXXXXXX
AI> Entering PPP mode.
AI> Async interface address is unnumbered (Ethernet0)
AI> Your IP address is 195.14.32.27. MTU is 1500 bytes
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[...]
Are you saying that your provider is very different from mine? (except that
he is "Moscow" (c) ;) :
CONNECT 33600/ARQ/V34/LAPM/V42BIS
login: ********
Password: ********
PPP session from (195.201.8.66) to 195.201.8.102 beginning....~ }#└!}!}!} }4} [...the crap has been skipped to save space...]
NO CARRIER
ATZ
OK
AI> Remote access will not start - the modem is busy with another program.
AI> After this, would you say that t-mail can do something else?
I can do it. A specific example was in the very first letter at the very beginning
conversation.
AI> Well, it will launch an external program... It will hang until
AI> t-mail will not drop the line.
Have you ever thought about how a board starts from under a soaper? Soaper
just gives her the port. Here by analogy (only the call is not incoming, but outgoing,
but this is completely out of the blue) - got through, connected, freed the port and
launched an external program with the transfer of parameters of this port.
Last time: if there is some kind of too [g|x]fucking program of something under the hood
cannot do basic things, then this only means that this is a must-have program
It’s STUPID and we need to look for another one, not that it’s impossible in principle. (At the same time,
Of course, it confirms that md is md, but we’re not talking about that now).
I'm tired of explaining that what works for me every day is not the result of my
sick imagination and not a feature of the “non-Moscowness” of our backwards
providers; I gave ready-made pieces of configs, that’s all, I can’t help you with anything else.
I don’t want and won’t look for direct software for md. With best wishes, Vladimir.
Hello, Artem!
21 Jan 00 14:02, Artem Kozakov -> Alexey Ivanov:
AK> I picked up PPP for the connection - I can’t imagine. P.S. about
AK> operability of such a scheme: under HT it is configured so that
AK> fidoshnik calls - t-soap gives soap, they call Windows
AK> remote access - t-soap picks up the remote server
AK> access and allows the user via TCP/IP
If this is possible and y IG works, he could immediately describe the technology, and not
fall into transcendental trills.
In 98 there is a remote access server, but again when called it forces
release the modem.
Best regards, Alexey
Hello Eudgine!
Thursday 20 January 2000 04:28, Vladimir Larkov (500:812/1@zxnet) wrote to
Eudgine Palenock:
EP>> I found a lot of this on the Internet, the package is called IAK. But all this
EP>> connection transfer to the OS is for some reason mentioned only in the context of OS/2
EP>> :(
Because this package is for OS/2 :)
VL> Gryzdev, over there, says that stink'9x is such a launcher
VL> toys. If this bottle is used by games and secrets, then why
VL> passing some parameters in a command line is too difficult ;)))
Well, of course, but secret files are opened via File-Open ;)
EP>> Or maybe Win98 has something for this initially?
EP>> There are many files in C:WINDOWS
VL> _I_ don’t know. I don't have C:WINDOWS. Start with '/?
Hello, Alexey!
It’s quiet outside the window, and I’m sitting and writing a response to a letter from Alexey Ivanov to Igor Gruzdev
01/21/2000 at 11:14:09...
IG>> So it is. So as not to be unfounded, the task: take
IG>> terminal that allows you to record the entire log of your work in
IG>> file. Call any Internet provider in Moscow
IG>> _don't press anything_. You'll fall off due to timeout. Log starting from
IG>> lines atdxxxxx and connectZZZZ to atz/ok to the studio.
AI> Here's the log.
Senks. Now tell me, how is this entrance different from the other? And why on him
Can't you call with soap?
AI> If you tell me how to start remote access under
AI> Windows after connecting to the terminal without breaking the connection...
Under Windows - I don’t know, in my understanding and knowledge, this is not a system for
Internet. And especially not for serious work. So, secretaries in lines and
accounting in 1c and in a small soft office. He can’t boast of anything to others.
Well, also a number of glitches and implementations through the ass.
AI> OK
AI> atdp7284001
AI> CONNECT 19200/ARQ/V34/LAPM/V42BIS/REM"USR"
AI> User Access Verification
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AI> Remote access will not start - the modem is busy with another program.
AI> After this, would you say that t-mail can do something else?
AI> Well, it will launch an external program... It will hang until
AI> t-mail will not drop the line.
I don't use t-soaps. I don't use take it out. I don't use 'remote access'
(some kind of name... like 'my computer' and 'my documents'). Yes and soaper
here you simply have to give the com-port to another program, which will actually do the work
what should be done in this case. If t-soap is not taught this -
I'm just sorry for the soap people.
In a normal environment I would do it like this:
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┌──────────────────────────
│ Was in: RU.FHMAIL (About the cool mailer FH-MAIL)
│ From: Gleb Mazursky 2:5004/29.104 from 01/13/2000 at 20:32:01
│ For whom: Sergey Kostenko
│ About: "Is it possible to configure FHMail for incoming ppp calls?.."
╘── vvv look there vvv ───
Reply-To: gleb@fido.omsk.edu
Hello, Sergey!
// January 09, 2000, 14:16, Sergey Kostenko posted for All:
SK> And if so, in more detail...StartProcess ModemString }# PPP
DefProcess PPP
ImmediateRun
NoInit
OS2Spawn %cfg%PPP.CMD
EndDef
ppp.cmd
ppp.exe com1 14400 mru 1500 rtscts silent modem 192.168.16.1:192.168.16.16
netmask 255.255.255.0 idle 15 exit
For this I say goodbye, Gleb. [20:26]
-!- The need for invention is cunning!
! Origin: *;) In and out... It comes out great! (;* (2:5004/29.104)
───────────────────bite b─here──────────────────
In this case, it would be more logical to replace the modemstring with one that actually starts
after the connection line. Enter the password/login using the rex script.
With all kinds of regards and wishes.
Igor.
Hello, Alexey!
It’s quiet outside the window, and I’m sitting and writing a response to a letter from Alexey Ivanov to Igor Gruzdev
21/01/2000 at 08:43:27...
IG>> And what does this have to do with the ah-pysh m-rear? we are talking about ordinary, fidosh.
AI> So you got into the topic without even understanding what we were talking about, and now you’re just getting confused
AI> all.
And the current scripts from Voffka Larkov also relate to the usual fidosh
t-soap and the usual dial-up provider. :)
With all kinds of regards and wishes.
Igor.
Hello Eudgine!
18 Jan 00 07:58, Eudgine Palenock -> Vladimir Larkov:
EP> Hello, Vladimir!
EP> 15 Jan 00 05:10, Vladimir Larkov -> Eudgine Palenock:
VL>> ppp.exe com%1 57600 netmask 255.255.255.0 mru 1500 rtscts
VL>> defaultroute idle 1 exit user your_login name your_login secret
VL>> your_password
EP> I found a lot of this on the Internet, the package is called IAK. But all this
EP> connection transfer to the OS is for some reason mentioned only in the context of OS/2
EP> :(
EP> Although, in Win98 this is possible - I saw an external fax with a GUI, for anyone
EP> soaper, the launch principle is like this ppp.exe, only there are a lot of glitches...
EP> Or maybe Win98 has something for this initially?
EP> In C:WINDOWS there are many files that IMHO are related to
EP> internet... Maybe one of them performs this function:
[...]
All kinds of rubbish =) Look in SYSTEM. wsock32.dll is called.
The call starts like this:
start c:windows
undll.exe wsock32.dll,. I'm this wsockI looked through F3, stuffed all sorts of garbage that looked like commands into a line - or
“committed an unacceptable action” or “is absent.”
And through epppd.exe you can establish a connection with the provider, and even receive
IP address, but only DOS browsers, such as
lynx and arachne. The last one came out by the way. Requires a 386DX CPU and 2 (better than 4) MB of RAM,
looks - _amazing_, all geevy, on Vesa compatible cards it gives up to
1024x768x64k. After that, I doubly spit on advertising, well, where the “pentiym three”
-- new Internet opportunities."
WBR, Jason.
[Team Obituary][Team Friday 13th][Team Evil Maniacs][Team Huge Axes]
Hello Alexey!
January 21, 2000 (it was 5:05 pm then)
Alexey Ivanov wrote in his letter to Artem Kozakov:
AK>> operability of such a scheme: under HT it is configured so that
AK>> fidoshnik calls - t-soap gives soap, they call Windows
AK>> remote access - t-soap picks up the remote server
AK>> access and allows the user via TCP/IP
AI> In 98 there is a remote access server, but again when calling
AI> causes the modem to be released.
I don’t know about 98, I tried there but it didn’t work, but in HT the remote server
access is raised from the command line in a couple of seconds.
Best regards, Artem