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There are a lot of cries from users in the forums about a similar message Windows 2003 (XP)
when changing iron. Microsoft also writes. It says that solution does not exist.
I know, they clone (for mass installations) the 2000 version. XP also successful?
WHAT is being done in this case, why then pci.sys does not come out? Reinstallation
This, in the case of bual boot, is not a solution. Maybe roll back to 2000
necessary?
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On 19 May 05, Kirill Frolov wrote to All:
KF> There are a lot of cries from users in the forums about a similar message in Windows 2003 (XP)
KF> when changing hardware. Microsoft also writes. It says that solution does not exist.
KF> I know, they clone (for mass installations) the 2000 version. XP is also successful?
KF> WHAT is being done, then why doesn’t pci.sys come out?
KF> Reinstallation, in the case of bual boot, is not a solution. Maybe 2000
KF> need to roll back?
Rolling back to 2000 mainly frightens users with the fact that “XP is more beautiful” and “knows
more devices." Those. the user needs all sorts of unnecessary baubles and installation with
one disk. You have to constantly deliver firewood to Win2k. Personally I think
that Win2kPro is the most stable axis of the window family (at least according to
compared to XP). People may object to me, but that’s not the point. ;) I am my choice
did.
As for cloning, there is the following opinion. When XP first came out
Most of the time I was busy assembling new computers and installing windows on them.
Mostly I installed Win2k then because everything was already known and
verified. When assembling exactly identical computers, there are no problems with
cloning did not occur. When I was forced to give everyone XP, I alsosuccessfully cloned it on the same hardware. When trying to do this on another
hardware (another motherboard is especially critical) it is very rare when at least something
it worked. Usually XP went into deep sleep with the reinstallation of all the firewood, to which
It took more time than installing from scratch. Tested by personal experience
that Win2k crashes just as well when changing the motherboard, for example, like WinXP.
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On Fri, 20 May 05 06:58:30 +0400, Sergey Zotov wrote:
> KF> There are a lot of cries from users in the forums about a similar message in Windows 2003 (XP)
> KF> when changing hardware. Microsoft also writes. It says that solution does not exist.
> KF> I know, they clone (for mass installations) the 2000 version. XP is also successful?
> Rolling back to 2000 mainly scares users because “XP is more beautiful” and “knows
> more devices". Those. The user needs all sorts of unnecessary baubles and installation with
Well, of course, how can I manage without green buttons! But seriously,
then the biggest stumbling block is the Russian Win2K interface.
The problem is that he is Russian. Until you figure out what it says,
and how to translate it into Russian. And the hot buttons don't work either,
in the sense that you have to press them in the Russian layout - pervertedly!
> that Win2kPro is the most stable axis of the window family (at least according to
> compared to XP). People may object to me, but that’s not the point. ;) I am my choice
> done.
My choice is Debian...
> did not arise from cloning. When I was forced to give everyone XP, I also> successfully cloned it on the same hardware. When I try to do this on
> other hardware (another motherboard is especially critical) very rarely at least
> something worked. Usually XP went into deep sleep with the reinstallation of everything
> firewood, which took more time than installing from scratch. Checked on
> personal experience that Win2k also crashes well when changing the motherboard,
> for example, like WinXP.
In short - XP sucks at cloning (between different computers)?
Because W2k is still cloned, according to some
comrades. Is this a new method of copy protection, or what?
Why doesn't Linux break like this?
Hello(s), Sergey...!
20 May 05 07:58, Sergey Zotov -> Kirill Frolov:
SZ> Rolling back to 2000 mainly scares users because “XP is more beautiful” and
SZ> "knows more devices." Those. the user needs all sorts of unnecessary baubles and
SZ> installation from one disk.
Uh-huh. I have met "users" who were in a stupor, unable to find
in W2K... built-in CD burner! I poked it at the installed Nero,
but the round fiery icon made no impression on them!
SZ> You have to constantly deliver firewood to Win2k.
It's not scary when you have firewood.
SZ> Personally, I think that Win2kPro is the most stable axis of the window family
SZ> (by
SZ> at least compared to XP). People may object to me, but that’s not the point.
SZ> ;)
There are no objections.
SZ> I have verified from personal experience that Win2k is also good
SZ> crashes when changing the motherboard, for example, like WinXP.
I have to install W2K from scratch, install programs (Office, Delphi, etc.)
and configuration (including security settings and distribution of rights) goes well from
strength 4 hours. That's why I don't even raise the issue of cloning :).
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On 21 May 05, Kirill Frolov wrote to Sergey Zotov:
KF> Well, of course, how can I manage without green buttons! But seriously,
KF> then the biggest stumbling block is the Russian Win2K interface.
KF> The problem is that he is Russian. Until you figure out what it writes,
KF> and how to translate it into Russian. And the hot buttons don't work either,
KF> in the sense that you have to press them in the Russian layout - pervertedly!
I don’t quite understand that it is necessary to translate from Russian into Russian, but hot buttons
work great. I haven't encountered any problems here.
KF> In short - XP clones suck (between different computers)?
I would say it is not cloned at all.
KF> Because W2k is still cloned, but according to some
KF> comrades.
The last time I changed the motherboard, Win2K of course booted... But it's a spectacle
it was heartbreaking...
KF> Is this a new method of copy protection, or what?
%) I didn't think in this direction.
KF> Why doesn’t Linux break like that?
Good question... Maybe because it was written for people?
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On Sat, 21 May 05 06:43:02 +0400, Wladimir Bulchukey wrote:
> SZ> Rolling back to 2000 mainly scares users because “XP is more beautiful” and
> SZ> "knows more devices." Those. the user needs all sorts of unnecessary baubles and
> SZ> installation from one disk.
> Yep. I met "users" who were in a stupor, not finding
> in W2K... built-in CD burner! I poked it at the installed Nero
> but the round fire icon did not make any impression on them!
I'm also in a stupor. My windows 2003, when I drag files with the mouse
to a disk (CD), refuses to write it. He says I have a DVD
read-only Damn, I have a read-write CD! You have to do this in
Linux. There is no Nero in my Windows.
> I have to install W2K from scratch, install programs (Office, Delphi, etc.)
> and configuration (including security settings and distribution of rights) goes away from
> strength 4 hours. That's why I don't even raise the issue of cloning :) .
This is only to say that the computer is used as a toy or
typewriter. Because otherwise, most often, it’s even difficult
say what may be needed.
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21 May 2005 at 07:43, Wladimir Bulchukey => Sergey Zotov:
SZ>> Rolling back to 2000 mainly frightens users by the fact that "XP is more
SZ>> beautiful" and "knows more devices". Those. the user needs all kinds
SZ>> unnecessary baubles and installation from one disk.
WB> Yep. I met "users" who were in a stupor, not finding
WB> in W2K... built-in CD burner! I poked it at the installed Nero
WB> but the round fire icon did not make any impression on them!
SZ>> You have to constantly deliver firewood to Win2k.
WB> It's not scary when you have firewood.
SZ>> Personally, I think that Win2kPro is the most stable axis of the family
SZ>> windowed (at least compared to XP). They may object to me
SZ>> but that’s not the point. ;)
WB> No objections.
There are objections, and on the whole topic, but I’m too lazy to discuss.
SZ>> Tested from personal experience that Win2k is also good
SZ>> crashes when changing the motherboard, for example, like WinXP. WB> I have to install W2K from scratch, install programs (Office, Delphi and
WB> etc.) and configuration (including security settings and distribution of rights)
WB> it takes at most 4 hours. That's why I don't even question cloning
WB> I raise :) .
This means you've never assembled computers professionally.
WBR, Oleg.
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On 21 May 05, Wladimir Bulchukey wrote to Sergey Zotov:
SZ>> Tested from personal experience that Win2k is also good
SZ>> crashes when changing the motherboard, for example, like WinXP.
WB> I have to install W2K from scratch, install programs (Office, Delphi, etc.)
WB> and configuration (including security settings and distribution of rights) goes well from
WB> strength 4 hours. That's why I don't even raise the issue of cloning :) .
For complete installation and configuration of the system (as I call it, the office version)
it takes no more than two hours if it is P3-733/256Mb or faster. ;) The main thing is
so that everything you need is at hand.
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On 22 May 05, Oleg Grigoriev wrote to Wladimir Bulchukey:
WB>> I have to install W2K from scratch, install programs (Office, Delphi and
WB>> etc.) and configuration (including security settings and distribution of rights)
WB>> it takes at most 4 hours. That's why I don't even question cloning
WB>> I raise :) .
OG> means you have never assembled computers professionally.
I collected. Typically, the assembly and configuration process occurred in parallel, because on
assembling the box from scratch (with unpacking all the boxes and screwing them onto all the necessary
screws of all components) it took me 25-30 minutes. Even collected some pressure for
25 minutes. ;) During this time, half of the Windows installation process took place.
The minimal installation took about an hour. I assembled and configured up to 15 in a day
cars I just collected - about 20. I remember the largest order - 25 cars. 24
workstations and one server. I suffered with the server for a day and a half, because
the fabulous ride controller did not want to get the Win2k server up normally. 24 workers
I assembled and set up the stations in the same day and a half. So I'm not cloning
enjoyed it. The installation took place from two identical disks in parallel on two
cars. I tried three, but it only reduced my productivity. %)Fortunately, I don't collect computers anymore. =)
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On Sat, 21 May 05 22:27:34 +0400, Sergey Zotov wrote:
> KF> then the biggest stumbling block is the Russian Win2K interface.
> KF> The problem is that he is Russian. Until you figure out what it writes,
> KF> and how to translate it into Russian. And the hot buttons don't work either,
> KF> in the sense that you have to press them in the Russian layout - pervertedly!
> I didn’t quite understand that it was necessary to translate from Russian into Russian
The message with the offer to format the CD also leads me into confusion.
stupor. In general, I have LC_MESSAGES=C everywhere, to avoid it. Otherwise
Do you understand "border violation, the cannonball has been dumped..."
> but the hot buttons work fine.
IN RUSSIAN SCHEDULE! Didn't you really notice? Are you really a computer?
Do you use it only for entering texts in Russian? Really?
"YTSUKEN"? What did the Spectrum teach you...
> KF> In short - XP clones suck (between different computers)?
> I would say it is not cloned at all.
:-(
> KF> Because W2k is still cloned, according to some
> KF> comrades.> The last time I changed the motherboard, Win2K of course booted... But a spectacle
> it was heartbreaking...
To do this, simply create a separate hardware profile (if for
vmware) or all specific drivers are removed. In any case it
loading. And W2k3, by the way, can handle any video card. Via VESA or something.
And W2k with cards “designed for windows” (I have one at home) - only
640x480 (on the website of the company that produced it - this domain name for sale).
That's why w2k3.
> KF> Why doesn’t Linux break like that?
> Good question... Maybe because it was written for people?
So, damn it, where is ntoskrnl, where is hal.dll and damn pci.sys?
Why, one might ask, is it possible, as a last resort, to boot from
live CD and write a more suitable kernel there. For Windows too
you can, I'm sure. The question is how.
Hello, Oleg...!
22 May 05 01:15, Oleg Grigoriev -> Wladimir Bulchukey:
OG> means you have never assembled computers professionally.
Naturally. And therefore, don’t let the b%g buy a computer with pre-installed
Windows - they will most likely be cloned.
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On 22 May 05, Kirill Frolov wrote to Sergey Zotov:
>> but the hot buttons work fine.
KF> IN RUSSIAN LATTENTION! Didn't you really notice? Are you really a computer
Do you use KF> only for entering texts in Russian? Really
KF> "YTSUKEH"?
Hmm... I type Russian texts in TheBat! - specifics of the work. There are hot buttons
do not depend on the installed language - Ctrl/Alt/Shift + Fx basically. English
I type texts in Far or PuTTY and these are mainly Perl scripts and shell commands. A
I also use Punto Switcher. ;)
KF> What did the Spectrum teach you...
Adapting to everything is painless. ;)
>> KF> Why doesn’t Linux break like that?
>> Good question... Maybe because it was written for people?
KF> So, damn it, where is ntoskrnl, where is hal.dll and damn pci.sys?
Can you tell me where the kernel and loadable modules are located in Linux? ;) Kirill, you
You know that better than me.
KF> Why, one wonders, in the worst case scenario, you can boot from
KF> live CD and write a more suitable kernel there. For Windows too
KF> you can, I'm sure. The question is how.You can also boot from the Life CD. They exist. There is also a "hot" option.
replacing the kernel, but here you need to somehow boot. I read about hot swapping in
Hacker magazine last year. I tried it and it worked. If it's very strong
Interesting, I'll try to find an electronic version. I usually save these things.
So everything can be resolved.
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22 May 05, 10:32, Kirill Frolov wrote to Sergey Zotov on the topic "Re: pci.sys
absent":
>> KF> In short - XP clones suck (between different computers)
>> KF> ?
>> I would say it is not cloned at all.
KF> :-(
I transferred XP on my wife’s computer from Intel to AMD and back twice.
Happy connections. Roman.
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On Mon, 23 May 05 07:25:42 +0400, Sergey Zotov wrote:
> >> but the hot buttons work fine.
> KF> IN RUSSIAN LATTENTION! Didn't you really notice? Are you really a computer
Do you use > KF> only for entering texts in Russian? Really
> KF> "YTSUKEH"?
> Hmm... I type Russian texts in TheBat! - specifics of the work. It's hot there
> buttons
Only in The Bat? And /non-Russian/ texts are never necessary
dial?
> do not depend on the installed language - Ctrl/Alt/Shift + Fx basically.
Shift-Escape, Move; Shift-Escape, reSize - an elementary example!
Who would teach this rubbish how to remove windows from corners...
> I type English texts in Far or PuTTY and these are mostly Perl scripts
> and shell commands.
No, if in putty the first thing you do is run screen, vim, emacs...
and /only there/ you continue to work all day - I understand. This one for you
Windows is a damn thing.
> I also use Punto Switcher. ;)
It will be under-translated on any computer program and will break.
It’s even buggy on URLs.
> KF> What did the Spectrum teach you...> Adapting to everything is painless. ;)
And I should have taught you how to adapt everything painlessly instead
in order to look for easy ways.
> KF> Why, one wonders, in the worst case scenario, you can boot from
> KF> live CD and write a more suitable kernel there. For Windows too
> KF> you can, I'm sure. The question is how.
> You can also boot from the Life CD. They exist. There is also an option
> "hot" replacement of the kernel, but here you need to somehow boot. About hot swap
> I read in Hacker magazine last year. I tried it and it worked. If it's very
> I’m very interested, I’ll try to find an electronic version. This is the kind of thing I usually do
> saving. So everything can be resolved.
And to what place does this pci.sys belong? Kernel and HAL
I changed it, of course. I'm telling you: it loads the drivers, it gets to pci.sys
and gets up doggy style. In the forums, users also cry: they took out the board, inserted it
the other one is pci.sys. Microsoft even writes: the problem is known,
there is no solution. :-/
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On Mon, 23 May 05 20:05:44 +0400, Roman Alexandrov wrote:
> >> KF> In short - XP clones suck (between different computers)
> >> KF> ?
> >> I would say it is not cloned at all.
> KF> :-(
> I transferred XP on my wife’s computer from Intel to AMD and back twice.
And how?
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22 May 2005 at 08:52, Sergey Zotov => Oleg Grigoriev:
OG>> means you have never assembled computers professionally.
SZ> I collected. Typically, the assembly and configuration process occurred in parallel.
SZ> for assembling the box from scratch (with unpacking all the boxes and
SZ> by screwing all the necessary screws of all components) from me
SZ> it took 25-30 minutes. Even the pressure was collected in 25 minutes. ;) During this time
SZ> half of the Windows installation process took place. Minimal installation
SZ> took about an hour. I assembled and configured up to 15 cars per day.
15 hour work day? :) ka-ashmar.
SZ> Simple
SZ> collected - about 20. I remember the largest order - 25 cars. 24 workers
SZ> stations and one server. I suffered with the server for a day and a half, because
SZ> the fabulous ride controller did not want the Win2k server to get up normally. 24
SZ> I assembled and configured the workstations in the same day and a half. So
SZ> I did not use cloning. The installation took place from two SZ> identical disks in parallel on two machines. I tried for three, but this
SZ> only reduced my productivity. %)
In such situations, we simply copied the image taken by ghost from the first
computer in the series.
SZ> Fortunately, I don’t use computers anymore
SZ> collecting. =)
Well, me too. :)
WBR, Oleg.
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23 May 2005 at 06:03, Wladimir Bulchukey => Oleg Grigoriev:
OG>> means you have never assembled computers professionally.
WB> Naturally. And that's why don't let b%g buy a computer with
WB> pre-installed Windows - they will most likely be cloned.
I’ll tell you more - most likely they’ll just copy Windows there, not even
ghostom. although we never did. ghost was used only in case of serial
machines with absolutely identical hardware.
but what does this have to do with it? Naturally, you have to install Windows yourself. and computer
collect too. because in the “store” they will collect not from what is needed, but from what
in stock.
to each his own and most consumers don’t care what kind of Windows they have.
as well as what kind of computer they have. Pentium4 and ok.
WBR, Oleg.
p.s. however, I prefer the suspension on my chisel (that designer! :) )
do not do it yourself, but from proven masters. however, they “install Windows” correctly.
and this process is of great interest to me. :)
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23 May 2005 at 21:05, Roman Alexandrov => Kirill Frolov:
>>> KF> In short - XP is cloned badly (between different
>>> KF> computers) ?
>>> I would say it is not cloned at all.
KF>> :-(
RA> I transferred XP on my wife’s computer from Intel to AMD and back two
RA> times.
uh huh. my first xp easily survived the change from 440bx to 815ep, and then to nforce2.
xp at work moved from via to nforce. without any problems. (before this
I transferred it from a via with apic enabled, to a via without it - that’s where the problems were,
yes...)
it all depends on the radius of curvature of the hands, hehe...
WBR, Oleg.
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On 24 May 05, Kirill Frolov wrote to Sergey Zotov:
>> Hmm... I type Russian texts in TheBat! - specifics of the work. There
>> hot buttons
KF> Only in The Bat? And /non-Russian/ texts are never necessary
KF> dial?
Not Russian - these are mostly scripts. I'm a script writer. :) It happens, of course, that
I communicate with bourgeoisie in English, but this is quite rare.
>> do not depend on the installed language - Ctrl/Alt/Shift + Fx basically.
KF> Shift-Escape, Move; Shift-Escape, reSize - an elementary example!
They also do not depend on the current layout... Or what are you talking about?
KF> Who would teach this rubbish to move windows to the corners...
TheBat? I'm used to working with it in full screen.
>> I type English texts in Far or PuTTY and this is mainly Perl
>> scripts and shell commands.
KF> No, if in putty you first launch screen, vim, emacs...
KF> and /only there/ you continue to work all day - I understand. This one for you
KF> Windows is a damn thing.
Basically it is. :) In addition to the console, I use TheBat!, Opera, Far. MC tooI use it, but imho it is less convenient than Far. Currently only TheBat! and
Far is holding me back from fully migrating to Linux.
>> I also use Punto Switcher. ;)
KF> It is under-translated on any computer program and
KF> will break. It’s even buggy on URLs.
Of course! There are glitches absolutely everywhere. But all this can be solved with training and initial
setting.
>> KF> What did the Spectrum teach you...
>> Adapting to everything is painless. ;)
KF> And I should have taught you how to adapt everything painlessly instead
KF> in order to look for easy ways.
:) Kirill, sometimes you cling too much. It needs to be simpler.
>> You can also boot from the Life CD. They exist. There is still an option
>> "hot" replacement of the kernel, but here you need to somehow boot. About hot
>> replacement I read in Hacker magazine last year. I tried it and it worked.
>> If this is very interesting, I’ll try to find an electronic one
>> option. I usually save these things. So everything can be resolved.
KF> And to what place, one wonders, does this pci.sys belong?
To the drivers. KF> I changed the kernel and HAL, of course. I'm telling you: it loads drivers
KF> reaches pci.sys and gets up. There are also users in the forums
KF> they cry: they took out the board, inserted another - you have pci.sys.
KF> Microsoft even writes: the problem is known, there is no solution.
KF> :-/
I have never encountered pci.sys specifically. However, I think there may be a glitch
connected to external devices. I had one case when the computer did not boot
with SB Live inserted. You take out the card and it loads; you insert it and it doesn’t load.
Cleaning out the wood for SB Live helped. Those. removed the firewood, inserted the card,
supplied firewood. Therefore, you should always experiment. For example, you load into
save mode, clear the wood of pci devices, reboot and rearrange
firewood again.
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On 24 May 05, Oleg Grigoriev wrote to Sergey Zotov:
SZ>> half of the Windows installation process took place. Minimum
SZ>> installation took about an hour. I assembled and configured up to 15 per day
SZ>> machines.
OG> 15-hour working day? :) ka-ashmar.
Where did you get it? %) I wrote below that Windows was installed simultaneously on two
cars. Those. I spent 9-10 hours at work.
SZ>> day. So I didn’t use cloning. Installation took place
SZ>> from two identical disks in parallel on two machines. Tried on
SZ>> three, but this only reduced my productivity. %)
OG> in such situations we simply copied the image taken by ghost from
OG> the first computer in the series.
You could say that I was still small and stupid then. =)
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On Tue, 24 May 05 07:19:52 +0400, Sergey Zotov wrote:
> >> do not depend on the installed language - Ctrl/Alt/Shift + Fx basically.
> KF> Shift-Escape, Move; Shift-Escape, reSize - an elementary example!
> They also do not depend on the current layout... Or what are you talking about?
How is it not dependent? In the Russian version you need to press in Russian
and completely different buttons. _P_move, _P_size, etc.
> KF> Who would teach this rubbish to move windows to the corners...
> TheBat? I'm used to working with it in full screen.
VINDU! That’s why all users work in full-screen, otherwise
You'll be tempted to move every window. We have to figure out that the windows are like that
manage to open that the lower part or even from the screen
falls out or is blocked by the panel with the "Start" button - for users
this is a problem. :-/ Why, for example, fvwm places windows normally,
it can be pulled into the corners, maybe from top to bottom, but nothing beyond
For some reason the screen does not fall out? :-(
> KF> I changed the kernel and HAL, of course. I'm telling you: it loads drivers
> KF> reaches pci.sys and gets up. There are also users in the forums
> supplied firewood. Therefore, you should always experiment. For example, you load into> save mode, clear the wood of pci devices, reboot and rearrange
> firewood again.
The problem is that it cannot be downloaded in any form...
There is always only one solution - reinstallation.