Hole below waterline!!!
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The day before yesterday I was sitting at the computer, suddenly - boom! Everything was hanged under terrible
howl of the propeller. It turned out that he had hanged himself and wouldn’t even reset himself.
I turned the computer's power off and on, and it seemed to work. Launched scandisk for testing
surface - he found one BAD and immediately everything hung on it. It's the same in
other times...
Question: is it possible to somehow “cure” such a screw? There are few bads yet,
they are not located on the main partition, so this does not affect the operation of the system
influences. But for how long?..
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On 12 Dec 04, Alexander Bondarenko wrote to All:
AB> The day before yesterday I was sitting at the computer, and suddenly - boom! Everything was hung under terrible
AB> howling propeller. It turned out that he hanged himself, he won’t even reset himself.
AB> Turned the computer's power off and on, it seemed to work. Launched scandisk on
AB> surface test - he found one BAD and immediately everything hung on it. That
AB> the same thing in other times...
AB> Question: is it really possible to “cure” such a screw somehow? There are few bads yet
AB> they are not located on the main partition, so this does not affect the operation of the system
AB> affects. But for how long?..
If this is a logical bad, then it can be treated by formatting, for new screws (which
do not know how to format) by re-partitioning and then checking new partitions.
I've had this happen several times. The treatment took a very long time. Arose at moments
voltage drop. Now there is UPS, so nothing like this has been around for a long time.
observed.
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On Sun, 12 Dec 04 11:04:45 +0300, Alexander Bondarenko wrote:
AB> Turned the computer's power off and on, it seemed to work. Launched scandisk on
AB> surface test - he found one BAD and immediately everything hung on it. Then
AB> the same thing in other times...
AB> Question: is it really possible to “cure” such a screw somehow? There are few bads yet
dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdd bs=4096 conv=sync,noerror
Or programs like mhdd, hddspeed, pc3000 complex...
AB> they are not located on the main partition, so this does not affect the operation of the system
AB> affects. But for how long?..
Smart look.
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On Thu, 16 Dec 04 19:32:42 +0300, Sergey Zotov wrote:
AB>> Question: is it really possible to “cure” such a screw somehow? There are few bads yet
AB>> they are not located on the main partition, so this does not affect the operation of the system
AB>> affects. But for how long?..
SZ> If this is logical bad, then it can be treated by formatting, for new screws
SZ> (which
The “logical” absence of a sector... It seems to logically exist, but
physically, he is not there...
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I am writing to you from a burning tank...
Sun 12 Dec 2004 11:04:45, Alexander Bondarenko -> All:
AB> Question: is it really possible to “cure” such a screw somehow? Badov
AB> not much yet, they are not located on the main section, so
AB> that this does not affect the operation of the system. But for how long?..
Troubles can really be thrown into an unusable section. desk through, for example, Partishin Magic
that whoever is capable... can and eats craftsmen.
but if he eats troubles on the disk, then he will soon be in trouble anyway.... so get ready for
funeral and I advise you to quickly throw valuable information somewhere.
Best regards, Niko Sun ATM-turbo rulezzz!!!
mail: niko-sun@rin.ru Si yo leter, Alexander ...
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On 17 Dec 04, Kirill Frolov wrote to Sergey Zotov:
AB>>> Question: is it really possible to “cure” such a screw somehow? Badov bye
AB>>> not much, they are not located on the main section, so let’s get to work
AB>>> this does not affect the system. But for how long?..
SZ>> If this is a logical bad, then it is treated by formatting, for new ones
SZ>> screws (which
KF> "Logical" absence of a sector... It seems to logically exist, but
KF> physically, it is not there...
It's more of a cluster. Bad imho does not mean absence. Bad is when the sector
can't be read. And this is possible for many reasons. Cause disappears and bad
along with her.
Or am I wrong?
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On Sat, 18 Dec 04 19:55:55 +0300, Sergey Zotov wrote:
AB>>>> Question: is it really possible to “cure” such a screw somehow? Badov bye
AB>>>> not much, they are not located on the main section, so let’s get to work
AB>>>> this does not affect the system. But for how long?..
SZ>>> If this is a logical bad, then it is treated by formatting, for new ones
SZ>>> screws (which
KF>> "Logical" absence of a sector... It seems to logically exist, but
KF>> physically, it’s not there...
SZ> This is more of a cluster. Bad imho does not mean absence. Bad is when the sector
And who said that there is FAT, and what is meant by “bad”?
SZ> And this is possible for many reasons. The reason disappears and bad
SZ> along with it. Or am I wrong?
The fact is that untimely turning off the power can lead to
the appearance of write-only sectors - right.
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AB>> Question: is it really possible to “cure” such a screw somehow? Badov bye
AB>> a little, they are not located on the main section, so on
AB>> this does not affect the operation of the system. But for how long?..
SZ> If this is logical bad, then it can be treated by formatting, for new screws
SZ> (which cannot be formatted) by re-partitioning followed by
SZ> checking new sections.
I tried to reformat the partition (on which there are bad things), but in the end I got the hell out of it -
format.com is interrupted... I had to destroy this partition with fdisk and recreate it
it (was at 4000, now at 3000 megs (at the same time there are bads in unused 1000
megah hanging)).
SZ> I had this several times. Was treated
SZ> for a very long time. Occurred during a voltage drop. Currently there
SZ> UPS so nothing like this has been seen for a long time.
Yes, for me (IMHO) it seems to have arisen due to the old age of the screw. After all, he is with me
to 8.4, and I don’t know since what year, but it’s been a long time. He was used even when I
I bought it in the summer of 2000... Now it seems time is up./That’s all, Sergey, you can scroll further.../
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AB>> Question: is it really possible to “cure” such a screw somehow? Badov bye
AB>> a little,
KF> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdd bs=4096 conv=sync,noerror
Hmm...
KF> Or programs like mhdd, hddspeed, pc3000 complex...
Yes, I used the first and second - to no avail. Even the HDD regenerator is not all bad
corrected.
AB>> they are not located on the main partition, so the system is running
AB>> this has no effect. But for how long?..
KF> Smart look.
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On 19 Dec 04, Kirill Frolov wrote to Sergey Zotov:
SZ>> This is more of a cluster. Bad imho does not mean absence. Bad is when
SZ>> sector
KF> And who said that there is FAT,
afaik the cluster has nothing to do with file systems. I could be wrong, but this
sectors that can be considered simultaneously as different heads. Like if you
screws have two physical heads, and the sector is 512 bytes, then the cluster is equal to
kilobyte. Am I driving? %)
KF> and what is meant by “bad”?
imho bad - unreadable sector.
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On Sun, 19 Dec 04 23:06:39 +0300, Sergey Zotov wrote:
SZ>>> This is more of a cluster. Bad imho does not mean absence. Bad is when
SZ>>> sector
KF>> And who said that there is FAT,
SZ> afaik the cluster has nothing to do with file systems.
In FAT, a cluster is the smallest allocated unit of disk space.
space.
SZ> I could be wrong, but these are sectors that can be counted simultaneously
SZ> with different heads. Like if a screw has two physical heads, and the sector
SZ> is 512 bytes, then the cluster is equal to a kilobyte. Am I driving? %)
You're driving. There is a switch in the bank that switches one of all available
heads There is one reading/synchronization node. And how do you imagine it?
can you imagine? They have a closed servo system, precise installation
heads to the track is carried out according to the mismatch signal from the path
sync/read. If there are several heads and one drive - nonsense
it turns out.
KF>> and what is meant by “bad”?
SZ> imho bad - unreadable sector.
Option: sector not found.
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19 Dec 04, 23:06, Sergey Zotov wrote to Kirill Frolov on the topic "Hole
below the waterline!!!":
KF>> and what is meant by “bad”?
SZ> imho bad - unreadable sector.
This is a sector marked as unreadable, but as a result, this is another
question, starting with physical damage and ending with, say, viral activity
(some vmruss store their bodies in sectors marked as bad ones).
Happy connections. Roman.
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On 20 Dec 04, Roman Alexandrov wrote to Sergey Zotov:
KF>>> and what is meant by “bad”?
SZ>> imho bad - unreadable sector.
RA> This is a sector marked as unreadable, but as a result, this
RA> another question, starting with physical damage and ending with say
RA> viral activity (some viruses in sectors marked as bad
RA> keep their body).
Ok. Then I have a question. How to force chkdsk under win2k to check bad sectors
again without re-marking the screw? scandisk in win9x had this feature - /C.
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20 Dec 04, 07:56, Sergey Zotov wrote to Roman Alexandrov on the topic "Hole
below the waterline!!!":
SZ> Ok. Then I have a question. How to force chkdsk under win2k to check for bad
SZ> sectors again without re-marking the screw? scandisk in win9x had this
SZ> chip - /C.
I don't know...
================== Start of file: Windows Clipboard ==================
CHKDSK [volume[[path]filename]]] [/F] [/V] [/R] [/X] [/I] [/C] [/L[:size]]
volume Specifies the drive letter (followed by a colon),
mount point, or volume name.
filename FAT/FAT32 only: Specifies the files to check for
fragmentation.
/F Fixes errors on the disk.
/V On FAT/FAT32: Displays the full path and name of every file
on the disk.
On NTFS: Displays cleanup messages if any.
/R Locates bad sectors and recovers readable information
(implies /F).
/L:size NTFS only: Changes the log file size to the specified number
of kilobytes. If size is not specified, displays current
size.
/X Forces the volume to dismount first if necessary.
All opened handles to the volume would then be invalid
(implies /F)./I NTFS only: Performs a less vigorous check of index entries.
/C NTFS only: Skips checking of cycles within the folder
structure.
The /I or /C switch reduces the amount of time required to run Chkdsk by
skipping certain checks of the volume.
====================== Конец Windows Clipboard ======================
Видимо никак.
Приятных коннектов. Roman.
Peace to your home, /_Alexander!/_
_December 12, 2004_, *_Alexander Bondarenko*_ wrote to *_All*_:
AB> Question: is it really possible to “cure” such a screw somehow? Badov bye
AB> not much, they are not located on the main section, so let's get to work
AB> systems are not affected. But for how long?..
Realistically for a while. And not to cure, but to do a remap so that you don’t get hurt from
such a broken sector. But if the screw continues to crumble, it will not help. A
it will most likely crumble. So some valuable advice: do it while it works.
backup, otherwise it will be too late.
Mhdd is a program for this kind of work with a screw.
We'll write again /_Alexander!/_!