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What graphics tablet can I buy to make it work properly?
in Linux? And most interestingly, in the form of what device, how
it will work. For example, if with Gimp - how? And with others
programs?
*Hello, Kirill!*
Catch my ideas about the subject “graphics tablet, I want to draw”, oh
which your footcloth to comrade cracked on December 31, 2004. All.
KF> What graphics tablet can you buy so that it works properly
KF> in Linux? And most interestingly, in the form of what device, how
KF> it will work. For example, if with Gimp - how? And with others
KF> programs?
I have one here - a composite one. It's called Genius Easy Pen.
After installing the firewood (without it it really won’t plow) it is detected as a Tablet
(not like a mouse). However, it completely emulates the mouse (I even used it as a joke for the sake of
StarCraft Gamil) and plows under all the programs.
As I understand it, what it sends to the port is somewhat different from what the mouse sends (the mouse
relative coordinates, his y are absolute). So there’s no way without firewood. :)
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On Tue, 04 Jan 05 11:56:48 +0300, Alexander Bondarenko wrote:
KF>> in Linux? And most interestingly, in the form of what device, how
KF>> it will work. For example, if with Gimp - how? And with others
KF>> programs?
AB> I have one here - a composite one. It's called Genius Easy Pen.
AB> After installing the firewood (without it, it really doesn’t plow) it is defined as
AB> Tablet (not like a mouse). However, it completely emulates the mouse (I even somehow
AB> just for fun in StarCraft Gamil) and plows under all the programs.
AB> As I understand it, what it sends to the port is somewhat different from what the mouse sends (y mouse
AB> are relative coordinates, y are absolute). So there’s no way without firewood.
AB> :)
Just like a mouse? No more? Here in the editor for example: placed on
tablet, pen, paper, drawing. I want a copy in the editor. As far as I
I understand that this can’t happen with a mouse - it’s simply beyond the limits
The windows will fall out sooner or later. Or am I missing something?
Hello, Kirill!
06 Jan 05, 01:02, Kirill Frolov wrote to Alexander Bondarenko on the topic "Re:
graphics tablet, I want to draw":
KF> Just like a mouse? No more? Here in the editor for example: placed on
KF> tablet pen, paper, drawing. I want a copy in the editor. As far as I
KF> I understand, this won’t work with a mouse - it’s just beyond limits
KF> the window will fall out sooner or later. Or am I missing something?
For operational purposes, the tablet looks like a mouse, those programs that are designed for
working with the tablet can also be understood by its additional features, for example, the power
press and tilt the stylus.
Happy connections. Roman.
*Hello, Kirill!*
Catch my ideas about the subject "Re: graphics tablet, I want to draw", oh
which your footcloth to comrade cracked on 06 Jan 2005. Alexander Bondarenko.
AB>> As I understand it, what it sends to the port is somewhat different from what it sends
AB>> mouse (the mouse has relative coordinates, the mouse has absolute coordinates). So
AB>> that’s impossible without firewood. :)
KF> Just like a mouse? No more? Here in the editor for example: put
KF> pen, paper, drawing on tablet. I want a copy in the editor.
KF> How much
KF> I understand, this won’t work with a mouse - it’s just too common
KF> the limits of the window will fall out sooner or later. Or am I missing something?
Yes, I'm telling you - the stylus has absolute coordinates. That is, where do you point it?
on a tablet (and the tablet is about 4*3 inches), on the screen the pointer will be there.
And the mouse will naturally crawl off the screen sooner or later. This is not the case with the stylus.
will fail. If you pull it outside the tablet, the pointer on the screen
will stop.
/That’s all, Kirill, you can scroll further.../
Hello Roman!
Thu, 06 Jan 05 at 12:20, Roman Alexandrov -> Kirill Frolov:
KF>> I understand, this won’t work with a mouse - it’s just beyond limits
KF>> the window will fall out sooner or later. Or am I missing something?
RA> For operational purposes, the tablet looks like a mouse, those programs that are designed for
How does it get along with a regular mouse? I once absent-mindedly plugged it into my computer
two mice - a port and a PS/2 - only one worked.
WBR, Jason.
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Hello Valerij!
07 Jan 05, 11:33, Valerij Kozhevnikoff wrote to Roman Alexandrov on the topic
“graphics tablet, I want to draw”:
KF>>> I understand, this won’t work with a mouse - it’s just beyond limits
KF>>> the window will fall out sooner or later. Or am I missing something?
RA>> For operational purposes, the tablet looks like a mouse, those programs that are sharpened
RA>> on
VK> How does it get along with a regular mouse?
Normal...
VK> I once absent-mindedly plugged it into my computer
VK> two mice - a port and a PS/2 - only one worked.
I won’t say anything about COM and PC/2, but any number of USB mice + COM or PC/2
They work absolutely fine.
Happy connections. Roman.
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On Tue, 04 Jan 05 11:56:48 +0300, Alexander Bondarenko wrote:
KF>> What graphics tablet can you buy so that it works properly
KF>> in Linux? And most interestingly, in the form of what device, how
KF>> it will work. For example, if with Gimp - how? And with others
KF>> programs?
AB> I have one here - a composite one. It's called Genius Easy Pen.
AB> After installing the firewood (without it, it really doesn’t plow) it is defined as
AB> Tablet (not like a mouse). However, it completely emulates the mouse (I even somehow
AB> just for fun in StarCraft Gamil) and plows under all the programs.
I bought it. Wacom Volito FT-0405. I feel like the menu has been deceived again.
What I have: in Linux it is defined as a hid device and is emulated
with the mouse. In Windows it’s the same (no need for any firewood!) Next,
In Windows you can install some software. After installation
a curve appears in computer settings (even the name - and even then
written) program to disable/enable
absolute/relative coordinates, acceleration and function selection
a single button (located on the “pencil”).
What immediately catches your eye is that it (in any OS)when moving up and to the left, it travels 1.5 times more on the screen,
distance, when moving in space the same distance,
than when moving down and to the right. THIS IS TERRIBLE! Almost nothing to write,
It's impossible to draw. The circle turns into a spiral! Advertised
function - "tracing" - the ability to trace what is placed under
Of course, drawing on film doesn’t work. It's all relative
coordinates when emulating a mouse.
In absolute coordinates the situation is better - position on the screen
exactly in accordance with the frame drawn on the tablet. HO HI
IT IS STILL IMPOSSIBLE TO DRAW OR WRITE! Why? It gives out
coordinates are no faster than a comport mouse! That is, a couple of points
to a handwritten letter. And at the same time it slows down wildly, ~200ms at the beginning
each new curve (letter), apparently trying to approximate it
suitable curve. That is, despite all the assurances of advertising
-- you can forget about handwritten text, unless you write very
slowly and in big letters, because dots per inch is also not enough
absolutely. It is also almost impossible to draw, and for the same reason
reason - any line with variable pressure looks like a broken line
rectangle (the curves are smoothed out, and the amount of pressure and,
therefore, the diameter of the brush is not). This is me talking about Paint
included in the kit. A couple of programs are also included.for mocking photographs. Why is there a tablet there? Only if
instead of a mouse... In the Windows version of Gimp it's even worse - any line
or is divided into many points far apart from each other,
or all the shortcomings (see above) of mouse emulation are visible. Handwritten text
not visible at all, anyway.
And it doesn’t “plow under all the programs.” In absolute coordinates for some
programs cannot work with menus. You need to click very briefly
so that the menu does not close as soon as it has had time to be displayed. B
In particular, Gimp suffers from this.
Windows is over, let's move on to Linux. They write that if
upgrade XFree, then for some reason replace the standard hid.o usbmouse.o,
and wacom.o, and also wacom_dev.o for xfree, taken from the site, they say
I’ll be happy, and after another week of fucking I’ll be able to draw in Gimp.
Yes, it will take more than a week to rebuild xfree... And
It is still unknown what will come of this. I'm not a Linux Kernel developer,
and all sorts of reassemblies for me, how to put it mildly, wild
hemorrhoids... Now, the mouse is emulated just as badly as in
Windows is clearly not a software problem. :-(
AB> As I understand it, what it sends to the port is somewhat different from what the mouse sends (y mouse
AB> are relative coordinates, y are absolute). So there’s no way without firewood.
AB> :)Linux creates two ports: event and mouse. In the second - emulation
ps/2 mice. But the first one doesn’t work without shamanism.
The conclusions are sad. Wacom is making complete bullshit. Although formally
it seems to fulfill its functions, practically - this is some kind of deception.
My *scrolling* Genius mouse is capable of more precise and faster movements.
And this is one of the best (others in Linux do not support it at all). Maybe
this is a problem with Volito, and let's say, Intuos, problems with unevenness
no movement? Or by buying a large (A4, this A6) tablet for
three times the amount will I receive the same obscenity? :-(
Good tablets (in my opinion - on which you can write
hands, as on paper), do they even exist within $100? :-(
Press RESET immediately, Valerij Kozhevnikoff!
On Fri, 07 Jan 05 11:33:17 +0300, Valerij Kozhevnikoff wrote:
RA>> For operational purposes, the tablet looks like a mouse, those programs that are sharpened
RA>> on
VK> How does it get along with a regular mouse? I once absent-mindedly stuck it in
VK> computer two mice - a port and a PS/2 - only one worked.
Both drag the cursor. For some reason you can't have two cursors...
Hello Kirill!
21 Jan 05 22:54, Kirill Frolov -> Alexander Bondarenko:
KF> The conclusions are sad. Wacom is making complete bullshit. Although formally
KF> it seems to perform its functions, practically - it’s some kind of deception.
No. The conclusions are different. This is exactly the bullshit you needed.
People who need a quality tool buy
mice/keyboards/tablets in those companies that can
demonstrate their work...
Best regards, Evgeniy.
Hello, Kirill!
21 Jan 05, 22:54, Kirill Frolov wrote to Alexander Bondarenko on the topic "Re:
graphics tablet, I want to draw":
KF> The conclusions are sad. Wacom is making complete bullshit. Although formally
KF> it seems to perform its functions, practically - it’s some kind of deception.
Wacom is the best manufacturer of tablets and produces professional
equipment, I personally have never had any problems with Vacom,
Moreover, my version is older. Positioning accuracy is perfect,
Dependence on pressing force works, what else do you need?
Happy connections. Roman.
Hello, Kirill!
21 Jan 05, 22:56, Kirill Frolov wrote to Valerij Kozhevnikoff on the topic "Re:
graphics tablet, I want to draw":
VK>> How does it get along with a regular mouse? I once absent-mindedly stuck it in
VK>> computer two mice - a port and a PS/2 - only one worked.
KF> Both drag the cursor. For some reason you can't have two cursors...
4 USB ports, + one PS/2 - normal flight.
Happy connections. Roman.
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On Sat, 22 Jan 05 01:14:24 +0300, Roman Alexandrov wrote:
KF>> The conclusions are sad. Wacom is making complete bullshit. Although formally
KF>> it seems to perform its functions, practically - it’s some kind of deception.
RA> Vacom is the best manufacturer of tablets and produces professional
RA> equipment, I personally have never had any problems with Vacom
RA> and my version is older. Positioning accuracy is ideal
RA> pressure dependence works, what else is needed?
But it doesn’t work as it should for me... It turned out to be not so scary with Linux
- a driver was found and after a miniature patch it even started working!
As a result, I have cursor, stylus and eraser, and the last two seem to be
don't work. Perhaps I missed something. The first one works like a mouse.
I must say, it works much better in Linux! Here I take it
CD, put it on the tablet, and using the disk as a stencil I draw
circle Actually a circle, or close to it, is a completely different matter!
And the sensitivity is completely different - you can enter handwritten text!
But why is it so bad (jerky like a port mouse) in Windows?
Maybe something needs to be disabled? In Linux it is necessary for the tablet to be perceivedwith its driver, and not as a hid mouse. Maybe it's the same in Windows
situation? Or maybe USB is slow?
Press RESET immediately, Kirill Frolov!
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:03:49 +0000 (UTC), Kirill Frolov wrote:
KF> Bought. Wacom Volito FT-0405. I feel like the menu has been deceived again.
KF> What I have: in Linux it is defined as a hid device and is emulated
KF> than when moving down and to the right. THIS IS TERRIBLE! Almost nothing to write
KF> it is impossible to draw. The circle turns into a spiral! Advertised
KF> IT IS STILL IMPOSSIBLE TO DRAW OR WRITE! Why? It gives out
KF> coordinates are no faster than a comport mouse! That is, a couple of dots
KF> Windows is over, let's move on to Linux. They write what if
KF> upgrade XFree, then for some reason replace the standard hid.o usbmouse.o,
Everything turned out to be much better in Linux than in Windows!
http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net is a wonderful resource.
It was enough to replace the standard wacom nuclear driver and
update XFree. Also, the order in which the hid modules are loaded is important.
usbmouse and mousedev. Everything according to the FAQ.
KF> The conclusions are sad. Wacom is making complete bullshit. Although formally
KF> it seems to perform its functions, practically - it’s some kind of deception. KF> My Genius *ball* mouse is capable of more precise and faster movements.
Now I have to take my words back. As far as
Linux. The circle is now similar to a circle, nothing moves,
there are no broken lines and handwritten text is written perfectly in
gsumi and Gimp. The tablet itself works simultaneously as a mouse (cursor in
terminology xinput) and as a “pencil” (stylus). :-)
It's a pity there aren't enough buttons. In XFig everything is controlled by three buttons,
How can I get by with two...
To summarize: a graphics tablet for Linux is available and it can be
watcom. Of the rest of the commercially available Linux support for none
except for wacom it is not declared at all (unofficial - including). Online
There are reports that some Genius products work in emulation mode
mice. If they work in this mode as poorly as wacom -
It's better not to get involved.
Hello, Kirill!
22 Jan 05, 04:38, Kirill Frolov wrote to Roman Alexandrov on the topic "Re:
graphics tablet, I want to draw":
KF> But why is it so bad (jerky like a port mouse) in Windows?
KF> Maybe something needs to be disabled? In Linux it is necessary for the tablet to be perceived
KF> with its own driver, and not as a hid mouse. Maybe it’s the same in Windows
KF> situation?
For the Wacom tablet, you install your own driver, it even loads
a small window shows.
Right now I've been going to Device Manager: in "Mice and other pointing devices"
Only "HID-compliant mouse" sits, this must be understood, my Logitech MX1000, in
"Human Interface Devices" are HID-compliant device, USB Human Interface
Device, USB Human Interface Device, probably one of them matches
tablet. There is no mention of Wacom specifically.
KF> Maybe USB is slow?
Hardly....
Happy connections. Roman.