GoldEd.
ZXNet echo conference «zxnet.pc»
I attached a text formatting utility to GoldEd, so
What - you select a paragraph, press a button, and - voila: paragraph
formatted If you're interested, I'll share my experience, but right away
I say that it was done in one place. :)
This letter is formatted exactly like this.
KIA
Hello Ivan!
10 Sep 04 01:20, Ivan Kuvshinov -> All:
IK> I attached a text formatting utility to GoldEd, like this
IK> what - select a paragraph, press a button, and - voila: paragraph
IK> formatted. If you're interested, I'll share my experience, but right away
IK> I say that it was done in one place. :)
IK> This letter is formatted exactly like this.
Insanity. Learn FTSC. Not everyone has 64/80/130 characters per line. The text should
will be auto-formatted, and 0dh codes will be separated _paragraphs_.
Best regards, Evgeniy.
Hello, Ivan!
10 Sep 04, 01:20, Ivan Kuvshinov wrote to All on the topic "GoldEd.":
IK> I attached a text formatting utility to GoldEd, like this
IK> what - select a paragraph, press a button, and - voila: paragraph
IK> formatted. If you're interested, I'll share my experience, but right away
IK> I say that it was done in one place. :)
IK> This letter is formatted exactly like this.
An unnecessary and harmful thing
Happy connections. Roman.
Let your enemies, Roman, die without sons!
10 Sep 2004 at 23:47, Roman Alexandrov => Ivan Kuvshinov:
IK>> I attached a text formatting utility to GoldEd, like this
IK>> what - select a paragraph, press a button, and - voila: paragraph
IK>> formatted. If you're interested, I'll share my experience, but right away
IK>> I say that it was done in one place. :)
IK>> This letter is formatted exactly like this.
RA> An unnecessary and harmful thing
uh huh. Look, I have a golden window in a 115x44 window, for example.
WBR, Oleg.
Press RESET immediately, Ivan Kuvshinov!
On Fri, 10 Sep 04 00:20:26 +0400, Ivan Kuvshinov wrote:
IK> what - select a paragraph, press a button, and - voila: paragraph
IK> formatted. If you're interested, I'll share my experience, but right away
IK> I say that it was done in one place. :)
IK> This letter is formatted exactly like this.
But you don’t need to do that. No need. Then he will read your letters
impossible. The eyes are not official...
It would be better to add a spell-checker.
Hello, Kirill...!
11 Sep 04 01:20, Kirill Frolov -> Ivan Kuvshinov:
KF> It would be better to add a spell-checker.
"Raise your hands" ((c) RA),
who does not speak Russian.
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Hello, Oleg...!
11 Sep 04 00:24, Oleg Grigoriev -> Roman Alexandrov:
OG> yup. look, I have a golden window in a 115x44 window, for example.
Palm? Mobile phone?
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Hello, Kirill...!
11 Sep 04 01:20, Kirill Frolov -> Ivan Kuvshinov:
KF> But you don’t need to do that. No need. Then he will read your letters
KF> impossible.
Can you be more specific: why?
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Hello, Roman...!
10 Sep 04 23:47, Roman Alexandrov -> Ivan Kuvshinov:
IK>> This letter is formatted exactly like this.
RA> An unnecessary and harmful thing
Why?
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10 Sep 04 07:03, Eugene Palenock -> Ivan Kuvshinov:
EP> Insanity.
Thank you for your polite expression.
EP> Learn FTSC.
What is FTSC and why should a point learn it?
It always seemed to me that the point should read the rules of the echo,
and the intricacies of technology, if he is not interested in this, read
not obliged. Show me the clause in the rules where it is prohibited
format text.
EP> Not everyone has 64/80/130 characters per line.
"Raise your hands" ((c)RA),
who does not have 64 or 80 characters per line.
EP> Text must
EP> will be auto-formatted, and 0dh codes will be separated _paragraphs_.
Have you at least tried to quote such text?
I do. And every time I experience quiet horror, manually inserting Enters
and tick ">" quoting and trying to find the end of the line.
Many people, even when writing letters manually, for some reason do not click
Enter at the end of visual lines and “trust” the editor. Then
It is impossible to work with such one-line letters.
Single-line text is appropriate on the web unless a fixed line is specified.
cell width or fixed font size as window
The browser often opens at a small size. And then the strip
horizontal scrolling that occurs when using
fixed size, more convenient than sliding down every time
scaling the screen text.With the best - Wlodek # wlblack(@)newmail.ru # http://wlodeks.narod.ru
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Hello, Oleg!
11 Sep 04, 00:24, Oleg Grigoriev wrote to Roman Alexandrov on the topic
"GoldEd.":
IK>>> I attached a text formatting utility to GoldEd, like this
IK>>> what - select a paragraph, press a button, and - voila: paragraph
IK>>> formatted. If you're interested, I'll share my experience, but right away
IK>>> I say that it was done in one place. :)
IK>>> This letter is formatted exactly like this.
RA>> An unnecessary and harmful thing
OG> yup. look, I have a golden window in a 115x44 window, for example.
I have 100x25, but that’s not even the point.
Happy connections. Roman.
Press RESET immediately, Oleg Grigoriev!
On Fri, 10 Sep 04 23:24:18 +0400, Oleg Grigoriev wrote:
RA>> An unnecessary and harmful thing
OG> yup. look, I have a golden window in a 115x44 window, for example.
And the angle into which the area of clear vision falls covers all those
64 characters, approximately. It’s not for nothing that every newspaper is printed in columns,
and not the entire width of the sheet.
KF> But you don’t need to do that. No need. Then he will read your letters
KF> is not possible. The eyes are not official...
Well, it’s clear that on a PC you can do whatever you want,
but on a real Spectrum it will probably be more convenient
read?
KIA
RA>> An unnecessary and harmful thing
OG> yup. look, I have a golden window in a 115x44 window, for example.
In a regular Fido I don’t do this, but in ZX.Net
For example, there are letters like this, created without any
special formatting:
The description that is common among us is Amizhnaya
or c64 elite, in my opinion, and on the Spectrum, of course there is no
some models of ships and stations, and platforms with
Of course, there are no generation ships there either...
Like, too - tear off our hands, we’ll fight inertia in
ZX.Net, so that descendants can read our letters in
comfortable resolution 230x88?
Note: once you put it up, it means it’s convenient, or you agree
put up with some inconveniences, and then there’s no point in “water
pound."
KIA
EP> The text should be auto-formatted
But for some reason, when quotas are set, it’s not
it is taken into account that later those who do not write in 144x44 will have
50/50 quoted.
So there is no need to replace the concepts - should and can.
KIA
Hello, Kirill...!
11 Sep 04 11:50, Kirill Frolov -> Oleg Grigoriev:
KF> A the angle in which the area of clear vision falls covers all those
KF> is 64 characters, approximately. It’s not for nothing that any newspaper is printed in columns,
KF> and not the full width of the sheet.
In 1996 in Muscovy there was even a discussion on the BBS and ZXNet networks,
Do I need to format text in _newspapers_ on the Spectrum!
In the end, we managed to convince Pavel Fedin that it was necessary :).
Moreover, ZX Word already knew how to adjust text.
If GoldEd could do { text-align: justify } then
another matter. And he does left.
Anyone can see how the Fidonet Online portal displays messages:
monospace teletype (tt) font, fixed cell size,
corresponding to "80 characters per line" - a complete visual analogue
GoldEd in MS DOS. The colors, however, can be customized to taste :) .
After all, only humans understand beauty, to a text editor
She is a percussion musical instrument specialist.
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11 Sep 2004 at 10:11, Roman Alexandrov => Oleg Grigoriev:
OG>> yup. look, I have a golden window in a 115x44 window, for example.
RA> I have 100x25, but that’s not the point.
in this, in this. welcome to ftsc.
WBR, Oleg.
Hello Roman!
Saturday 11 September 2004 10:11:04 Roman Alexandrov -> Oleg Grigoriev:
IK>>>> I attached a text formatting utility to GoldEd
IK>>>> so
IK>>>> what - you select a paragraph, press a button, and - voila:
IK>>>> paragraph
IK>>>> formatted. If you're interested, I'll share my experience, but
OG>> yup. look, I have a golden window in a 115x44 window, for example.
RA> I have 100x25, but that’s not the point.
But I have 64x24 and therefore I don’t understand what the argument is about.
[REAL ZX]
Hello Ivan!
Saturday 11 September 2004 12:47:12 Ivan Kuvshinov -> Oleg Grigoriev:
OG>> yeah. look, I have a golden window in a 115x44 window, for example.
IK> In a regular Fido I don’t do this, but in ZX.Net
IK> there are, for example, such letters created without any
IK> special formatting:
IK> ------
IK> The description that is common among us is Amizhnaya
IK> or c64 elite, in my opinion, and on the Spectrum, of course there is no
IK> some models of ships and stations, and platforms with
IK> generation ships, of course, are not there either...
IK> ------
Well, I don’t know - DME shows everything correctly...
[REAL ZX]
Hello, Wladimir!
11 Sep 04, 09:15, Wladimir Bulchukey wrote to Roman Alexandrov on the topic
"GoldEd.":
IK>>> This letter is formatted exactly like this.
RA>> An unnecessary and harmful thing
WB> Why?
If only because the paragraph should end with the end of paragraph symbol, and not
every line.
Happy connections. Roman.
Hello, Wladimir!
11 Sep 04, 09:14, Wladimir Bulchukey wrote to Oleg Grigoriev on the topic
"GoldEd.":
OG>> yup. look, I have a golden window in a 115x44 window, for example.
WB> Palm? Mobile phone?
Characters, not pixels...
Happy connections. Roman.
Hello, Wladimir!
11 Sep 04, 09:30, Wladimir Bulchukey wrote to Eugene Palenock on the topic
"GoldEd.":
EP>> Not everyone has 64/80/130 characters per line.
WB> "Raise your hands" ( (c) RA ),
WB> who does not have 64 or 80 characters per line.
I have 100, but that's beside the point.
EP>> Text must
EP>> will be auto-formatted, and 0dh codes will be separated _paragraphs_.
WB> Have you at least tried to quota such text?
Do you know that golded normally quotes such text by breaking it into separate ones?
lines....
WB> I am, yes. And every time I experience quiet horror, manually inserting Enter
WB> and ticks ">" quoting and trying to find the end of the line.
Hmm... Maybe you have some kind of special mail editor? Never
experienced such difficulties.
WB> Many people, even when writing letters manually, for some reason do not click
WB> Enter at the end of visual lines
I never do this because it’s wrong and wrong. Do you have any problems with
Are there any quotes from my letters?
WB> and “trust” the editor.
Enter is pressed at the end of the paragraph.
WB> Then it is impossible to work with such one-line letters.What kind of editor do you have?
Happy connections. Roman.
Hello, Ivan!
11 Sep 04, 12:25, Ivan Kuvshinov wrote to Kirill Frolov on the topic "GoldEd.":
KF>> But you don’t need to do that. No need. Then he will read your letters
KF>> not possible. The eyes are not official...
IK> Well, it’s clear that on a PC you can do whatever you want
IK> but on a real Spectrum, it will probably be more convenient
IK> read?
Why?
Happy connections. Roman.
Press RESET immediately, Wladimir Bulchukey!
On Sun, 12 Sep 04 05:39:32 +0400, Wladimir Bulchukey wrote:
WB> Moreover, ZX Word already knew how to adjust text.
WB> If GoldEd could do { text-align: justify } , then
WB> is another matter. And he does left.
And there is no need for stretching. Moreover, on the matrix display it looks
it's extremely bad.
WB> Anyone can see how the Fidonet Online portal displays messages:
Anyone can see how Microsoft Word does it...
Press RESET immediately, Ivan Kuvshinov!
On Sat, 11 Sep 04 11:25:00 +0400, Ivan Kuvshinov wrote:
KF>> But you don’t need to do that. No need. Then he will read your letters
KF>> not possible. The eyes are not official...
IK> Well, it’s clear that on a PC you can do whatever you want
IK> but on a real Spectrum, it will probably be more convenient
IK> read?
I'm uncomfortable. There must be equal space between words,
there should be no transfers.
Press RESET immediately, Wladimir Bulchukey!
On Sat, 11 Sep 04 08:30:38 +0400, Wladimir Bulchukey wrote:
EP>> Learn FTSC.
WB> What is FTSC and why should a point learn it?
It is not the point that should teach him, but the software used
the point must correspond to it. Mine doesn't match, for example...
Every line feed I have is hard. This is how it is done on the Internet.
EP>> Not everyone has 64/80/130 characters per line.
WB> "Raise your hands" ( (c) RA ),
WB> who does not have 64 or 80 characters per line.
Half of the readers. Sane operating systems allow you to stretch the window by
as much as you want, and don’t think about how many letters there are.
EP>> The text should be auto-formatted, and 0dh codes should be separated by _paragraphs_.
WB> Have you at least tried to quota such text?
WB> I am, yes. And every time I experience quiet horror, manually inserting Enter
You have the wrong GoldED. Mine quoted fine. Here slrn - yes,
there are problems here. However, such text is cut into lines even before
at the gate.
WB> Many people, even when writing letters manually, for some reason do not click
WB> Enter at the end of visual lines and "trust" the editor. ThenBecause it is designed that different users have different settings,
different Screen widths, different eyes, different fonts and different preferences.
WB> Single-line text is appropriate on the web unless a fixed line is specified
WB> cell width or fixed font size as window
WB> browser often opens at a small size. And then the strip
WB> horizontal scrolling that occurs when used
WB> fixed size, more convenient than sliding down every time
WB> text screen scaling.
Now try printing this, with a scroll bar...
Hello, Roman...!
13 Sep 04 00:38, Roman Alexandrov -> Wladimir Bulchukey:
RA> Characters, not pixels...
Then I don't see a problem why 64 character text should be wrong
displayed on the screen with a large number of familiar characters in a line.
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Hello, Roman...!
13 Sep 04 00:40, Roman Alexandrov -> Wladimir Bulchukey:
RA> Do you know that golded normally quotas such text by breaking it into
RA> individual lines....
And pre-Entered or formatted text is quoted
just as it appears initially, words from one line to another
don't jump over. Which is better?
RA> Enter is pressed at the end of the paragraph.
Back when “floppy disks were big and programs were small,” back
before the IBM PC and even my own Spectrum, I developed a reflex:
approaching the right edge of the visual line - press Enter!
I can even say where this reflex comes from: from the Erika typewriter,
on which I was already typing at the age of 10 using the 10-finger visual method.
A few characters before the right edge of the sheet a bell rang,
signal: press line feed!
Changing habits, especially for completely unmotivated reasons,
It's practically impossible anymore.
WB>> Then it is impossible to work with such one-line letters.
RA> What editor do you use?
GoldEd even more or less copes, and Outlook Express puts the symbol
quoting only where Enter is present; if you need to break up a "paragraph"
several autonomously quoted parts, accounted for manually
arrange the corners.By the way, when GoldEd exports text to a file, Enter
according to visual line ends. But this is probably known to everyone,
who uses text export.
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Hello, Roman...!
13 Sep 04 00:45, Roman Alexandrov -> Ivan Kuvshinov:
IK>> Well, it’s clear that on a PC you can do whatever you want
IK>> but on a real Spectrum, it will probably be more convenient
IK>> read?
RA> Why?
I find it easier to read on PC too. Moreover, the problem IK
I decided back in 2001. I just didn't give it that much importance.
to kind of show off ;-) .
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Hello, Kirill...!
13 Sep 04 00:48, Kirill Frolov -> Wladimir Bulchukey:
KF> Anyone can see how Microsoft Word does it...
Disgusting. In general, any proportional font is disgusting.
If it were not for the forced adherence to recommended design techniques,
I would use everywhere.
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Hello, Kirill...!
13 Sep 04 00:49, Kirill Frolov -> Ivan Kuvshinov:
KF> I'm uncomfortable. There must be equal space between words
KF> should not be hyphenated.
In printed publications, even syllables of words are transferred and used
dash sign to move parts of words.
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Hello, Kirill...!
13 Sep 04 00:59, Kirill Frolov -> Wladimir Bulchukey:
KF> Every line feed I have is hard. This is how it is done on the Internet.
Oh my God, at least somewhere it’s humanly accepted correctly...
KF> Half of the readers. Sane operating systems allow you to stretch the window by
KF> as much as you want, and don’t think about how many letters there are.
More - no less.
KF> Because it is designed that different users have different settings
KF> different Screen widths, different eyes, different fonts and different preferences.
I have a preference... However, it’s already clear what it is.
KF> Now try printing this, with a scroll bar...
I don't type directly from the browser. First through the buffer into text,
and then I format the text using further software.
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WB> It’s more convenient for me to read it on a PC too. Moreover, the task IK
WB> I decided back in 2001. I just didn't attach that much importance to it
WB> to kind of show off ;-) .
And I’m not bragging, it just took me sooooo long to get there
how this thing can be implemented, so I thought that
my experience will be useful.
WB> I don't type directly from the browser. First, through the buffer to text,
WB> and then I format the text using further software.
Here in this place, please go into more detail, I still don’t
I was able to guess how this can be done without any tricks for
paragraph and then automatically replace it with a new one.
KIA
IK>> generation ships, of course, are not there either...
IK>> ------
NA> Well, I don’t know - DME shows everything correctly...
That's what we're talking about. :)
NA> [REAL ZX]
KIA
IK>> but on a real Spectrum, it will probably be more convenient
IK>> read?
RA> Why?
Because exactly what was meant will be seen, and
if something is written in the second line, then maybe it’s
fundamentally? In poetry, for example, each line is
new paragraph, will it work? Or the author should have his own style -
prohibited for the benefit of the autoformat?
I saw Mayakovsky's poems, is it really difficult to guess that
this applies not only to poetry maybe, why
limit methods of self-expression?
KIA
KF> I'm uncomfortable. There must be equal space between words
KF> should not be hyphenated.
Well, sorry, I didn’t please. :)
Of course, I accept this point of view, but I agree with
the fact that the input can only be placed at the end of the paragraph - not
I can.
KIA
Hello Nikolaj!
12 Sep 04, 21:54, Nikolaj Amosov wrote to Roman Alexandrov on the topic
"GoldEd.":
IK>>>>> I attached a text formatting utility to GoldEd,
IK>>>>> so
IK>>>>> what - select the paragraph, press the button, and - voila:
IK>>>>> paragraph
IK>>>>> formatted. If you're interested, I'll share my experience, but
OG>>> yep. look, I have a golden window in a 115x44 window, for example.
RA>> I have 100x25, but that’s not the point.
NA> But I have 64x24 and therefore I don’t understand what the argument is about.
The debate is that the end of paragraph symbol should be at the end of the paragraph, and not at
in arbitrary places thereof.
Happy connections. Roman.
Press RESET immediately, Wladimir Bulchukey!
On Mon, 13 Sep 04 06:04:25 +0400, Wladimir Bulchukey wrote:
KF>> Now try printing this, with a scroll bar...
WB> I don't type directly from the browser. First, through the buffer to text,
WB> and then I format the text with further software.
When will you need to print out a dozen or two this way?
documents - you will curse all these web designers who cannot,
or those who don’t want to either make a normal page or provide
stylesheet for printing it.
Press RESET immediately, Wladimir Bulchukey!
On Mon, 13 Sep 04 06:03:36 +0400, Wladimir Bulchukey wrote:
KF>> I'm uncomfortable. There must be equal space between words
KF>> should not be hyphenated.
WB> In printed publications, even syllables of words are transferred and used
WB> dash sign for moving parts of words.
Printed materials are the final point in the recycling chain
information. The publication can only be sent to waste paper.
A letter to a teleconference can, for example, be processed
search engines like google. And restore the text after
forcibly added hyphens, where there is neither a hyphen nor a sign
hyphenation, neither a dash nor a mathematical minus differ in any way --
definitely impossible. This is the main argument against transfers
in computer texts.
Transfer is only permissible when outputting to a terminal device
display, to a printer, to a monitor... And to arrange
transfers, therefore, the recipient software must
letter, not the sender. Exactly the same as HTML text formatting
is carried out when it is displayed, and not in advance.
Press RESET immediately, Wladimir Bulchukey!
On Mon, 13 Sep 04 06:02:17 +0400, Wladimir Bulchukey wrote:
KF>> Anyone can see how Microsoft Word does it...
WB> Disgusting. In general, any proportional font is disgusting.
I don't agree. Any proportional font is easier to read,
than monospace. And most importantly - in the same width of the screen or sheet
a larger number of letters fits, about one and a half times.
WB> If it were not for the forced adherence to recommended design techniques,
What the hell are design recommendations? This is when informational
the content is replaced by useless design, making it practically
impossible, for objective reasons, to perceive the presented
information? I would kill...
WB> I would use everywhere.
As for the html, leave the design issues to the browser.
user. Precisely for the reason already stated - everyone has different
settings, different preferences, and different physical capabilities,
both in humans and in equipment.
HTML is designed to take any worries away from the author of the publication.
about the form of the content. In principle, WISWIG is not applicable for HTML. HTML
fundamentally cannot be created in a “visual” editor. Because
that this is exactly how it was intended when it was created.If you are interested in the form, use PDF. The same goes for
and M$-Word, which does not guarantee the same presentation on two different
machines - use PDF.
Let your enemies, Wladimir, die without sons!
11 Sep 2004 at 09:14, Wladimir Bulchukey => Oleg Grigoriev:
OG>> yup. look, I have a golden window in a 115x44 window, for example.
WB> Palm? Mobile phone?
winnt. :) these are symbols, symbols.
WBR, Oleg.
Let your enemies, Ivan, die without sons!
11 Sep 2004 at 12:47, Ivan Kuvshinov => Oleg Grigoriev:
OG>> yup. look, I have a golden window in a 115x44 window, for example.
IK> In a regular Fido I don’t do this, but in ZX.Net
IK> there are, for example, such letters created without any
IK> special formatting:
however, these letters were not written in Golded. and not at all in pkt.
IK> Like, too - tear off your hands, we will fight inertia
IK> ZX.Net, so that descendants can read our letters in
IK> comfortable resolution 230x88?
IK> Note: once you set it, it means it’s convenient, or you agree
IK> put up with some inconveniences, and then there’s no point in “water
IK> pound."
I slightly did not understand the essence of the attack, so - inna!
WBR, Oleg.
Hello(s), Ivan...!
13 Sep 04 09:01, Ivan Kuvshinov -> Wladimir Bulchukey:
WB>> I don't type directly from the browser. First, through the buffer to text,
WB>> and then I format the text using further software.
IK> Here in this place, please go into more detail, I didn’t
IK> was able to guess how this can be done without any tricks for
IK> paragraph and then automatically replace it with a new one.
Well, how... First, I copy in the usual way using Ctrl + A,
Ctrl + V somewhere - in Notepad, Far, Outlook Express, that is
into any program containing a text editor; I save from it
to a text file. Then I process the file with a wonderful utility
Andrey Boloshin "Win2Dos", (c) 1998. After that - at least for printing,
at least in Nicron :-).
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Hello, Roman...!
13 Sep 04 22:57, Roman Alexandrov -> Nikolaj Amosov:
RA> Dispute that the end of paragraph symbol should be at the end of the paragraph, and not at
RA> in arbitrary places thereof.
“And my paragraphs are like this! Try to prove otherwise!” :-)))
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IK>> paragraph and then automatically replace it with a new one.
WB> Well, how... First, I copy in the usual way using Ctrl + A,
WB> Ctrl + V somewhere - in Notepad, Far, Outlook Express, that is
WB> to any program containing a text editor; I save from it
WB> to a text file. Then I process the file with a wonderful utility
WB> Andrey Boloshin "Win2Dos", (c) 1998. After that - at least for printing
WB> at least in Nicron :-) .
So you do everything by hand... and we were talking about
automatic robot through a macro hung on F8, then
there is a paragraph highlighted in the letter using Shift down or else
just like I pressed F8 - it is formatted, you can continue writing.
Well, and, of course, through the same wonderful program:
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Hello, Wladimir!
11 Sep 04 09:30, Wladimir Bulchukey -> Eugene Palenock:
EP>> Learn FTSC.
WB> What is FTSC
FIDONET TECHNICAL STANDARDS COMMITTEE
In this case, the set of technical standards FidoNet.
WB> It always seemed to me that the point should read the rules of the echo
WB> and the intricacies of technology, if he is not interested in this, read
WB> is not required.
But I must comply.
WB> Show me the point in the rules where text formatting is prohibited.
In principle, it is not prohibited.
But, indirectly recommended. Because FPD requires compliance with FTSC.
EP>> Text must
EP>> will be auto-formatted, and 0dh codes will be separated _paragraphs_.
WB> Have you at least tried to quota such text?
Apparently yes. Because I never shake my hands at all,
except when I need to leave a piece from the middle of the line.
WB> I am, yes. And every time I experience quiet horror, manually inserting
WB> Enters and ticks ">" quoting and trying to find the end
WB> lines.
GoldED does all this automatically.
If it doesn’t, it means you have some problems with its config.
Fill it up for me and I'll take a look.
Best regards, Evgeniy.
Hello, Wladimir!
13 Sep 04 06:52, Wladimir Bulchukey -> Roman Alexandrov:
WB> and Outlook Express puts the quotation symbol only in place
WB> availability Enter; if you need to split a “paragraph” into several autonomous ones
WB> of the quoted parts, you have to manually place the corners.
There is a patched OE for fidosh features - called Fidolook.
WB> By the way, GoldEd places Enters when exporting text to a file
WB> according to visual line ends.
Well yes. Text format is not equal to fidosh format ;)
Although many do not want to understand this.
PS By the way, I remember that both ZED and LC auto-formatted paragraphs normally...
Best regards, Evgeniy.
Hello, Wladimir!
11 Sep 04 09:15, Wladimir Bulchukey -> Kirill Frolov:
KF>> But you don’t need to do that. No need. Read your letters later
KF>> will become impossible.
WB> Can you be more specific: why?
Inconvenient. Extra spaces are distracting.
Where the eyes are preparing to accept the letter - suddenly there is some kind of incomprehensible gap;)
And not enough text fits on the screen (it’s not for nothing that people use screens much larger than
25*80).
Best regards, Evgeniy.
Hello, Wladimir!
13 Sep 04, 06:52, Wladimir Bulchukey wrote to Roman Alexandrov on the topic
"GoldEd.":
RA>> Do you know that golded normally quotas such text by breaking it into
RA>> individual lines....
WB> And pre-Entered or formatted text is quota
WB> just as it appears initially, words from one line to another
WB> do not jump. Which is better?
My quotas are fine and nothing jumps anywhere.
RA>> Enter is pressed at the end of the paragraph.
WB> Back when “floppy disks were big and programs were small,” back
WB> before the IBM PC and even my own Spectrum, I developed a reflex:
WB> approaching the right edge of the visual line - press Enter!
WB> I can even say where this reflex comes from: from the Erika typewriter
WB> on which I was already typing at the age of 10 using the 10-finger visual method.
WB> A few characters before the right edge of the sheet, a bell rang
WB> signal: press line feed!
WB> Change habits, especially for completely unmotivated reasons, WB> is practically impossible.
Agree, these are your personal difficulties.
WB>>> Then it is impossible to work with such one-line letters.
RA>> What editor do you use?
WB> GoldEd even more or less copes, and Outlook Express puts the symbol
WB> citations only in place of presence Enter; if you need to break up a "paragraph"
WB> for several autonomously quoted parts, have to be done manually
WB> arrange corners.
1) Do you work at FIDO on Outgluck?
2) For E-Soap I use The Bat - everything is fine there.
WB> By the way, GoldEd places Enters when exporting text to a file
WB> according to visual line ends. But this is probably known to everyone
WB> who uses text export.
So what?
Happy connections. Roman.
Hello, Ivan!
13 Sep 04, 09:25, Ivan Kuvshinov wrote to Kirill Frolov on the topic "GoldEd.":
IK> Of course, I accept this point of view, but I agree with
IK> because the input can only be placed at the end of a paragraph - not
IK> I can.
You see, the point is not whether you agree with something there or not, the point is that
this is a requirement of the standard. And let's say for non-compliance with it, I, for example, can easily
Plus you in any of the moderated by me eh.
For example, I also completely disagree that you can only cross streets in
in specially designated places, moreover, sometimes I break this rule, but
that doesn't mean I'm right.
Happy connections. Roman.
Hello, Wladimir!
14 Sep 04, 06:41, Wladimir Bulchukey wrote to Roman Alexandrov on the topic
"GoldEd.":
RA>> Dispute that the end of paragraph symbol should be at the end of the paragraph, and not at
RA>> in arbitrary places thereof.
WB> “And my paragraphs are like this! Try to prove otherwise!” :-)))
Easy. The end of the paragraph cannot possibly be located _within_ the sentence.
Happy connections. Roman.
Hello, Ivan!
13 Sep 04, 09:17, Ivan Kuvshinov wrote to Roman Alexandrov on the topic
"GoldEd.":
IK>>> but on a real Spectrum, it will probably be more convenient
IK>>> read?
RA>> Why?
IK> Because exactly what was meant will be seen, and
IK> if something is written in the second line, then maybe this
IK> fundamentally? In poetry, for example, each line is
IK> new paragraph, will it work? Or the author can have his own style -
IK> is prohibited for the benefit of the autoformat?
IK> I saw Mayakovsky's poems, is it really difficult to guess that
IK> this applies not only to poetry, maybe, why
IK> restrict methods of self-expression?
I asked “Why is it more convenient to read on a real Spectrum?”, and in response
about Mayakovsky...
Happy connections. Roman.
Hello(s), Ivan...!
14 Sep 04 18:36, Ivan Kuvshinov -> Wladimir Bulchukey:
IK> So you do everything by hand... but we were talking about
IK> automatic robot through a macro hung on F8
No, the original question was generally about the browser ;-) .
I solved your problem by simply connecting an external
text editor instead of the built-in one in GoldEd :),
in the package with which, by the way, not only the Win2Dos utility worked,
but also another utility, but already written by me
(to replace some unreadable characters).
Now I have abandoned the solution integrated into GoldEd,
but not because he was disappointed in the idea, but because
the solution is good for imported texts that need to be processed
It’s more convenient separately, since such texts are still needed later
separately for some more time.
IK> Copyright (c) 1998-2000 by Andrew Boloshin from POWER
IK> DiamonD Technologi E-mail: abol@technologist.com WWW:
IK> http://pwrdiam.da.ru
Rulez :-) !
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Press RESET immediately, Roman Alexandrov!
On Tue, 14 Sep 04 20:49:42 +0400, Roman Alexandrov wrote:
WB>> GoldEd copes even more or less, and Outlook Express puts the symbol
WB>> citations only in place of presence Enter; if you need to break up a "paragraph"
WB>> for several autonomously quoted parts, have to be done manually
WB>> place corners.
RA> 1) Do you work at FIDO on Outgluck?
I will say I will give away such a thing - in the old days, letters with lines
hundreds of characters long, could come with the ends of the lines cut off.
It’s even clear why: char line[128]... Now with This there are a lot
fought and even, it seems, overcame, at least imperceptibly.
Well, existing standards say that many processing tools
text are not required to work with lines of either more than 4 or 8
kilobyte From this it follows that letters created with "infinite
long" lines if the text is not /entirely/ encoded
HTML or base64, reach the recipient intact
don't have to either.
Press RESET immediately, Roman Alexandrov!
On Tue, 14 Sep 04 23:39:29 +0400, Roman Alexandrov wrote:
WB>> “And my paragraphs are like this! Try to prove otherwise!” :-)))
RA> Easy. The end of the paragraph cannot possibly be located _within_ the sentence.
for this you just need to try to write as many people do this
modern fidoshniks don’t give you sentences or paragraphs or anything else
unnecessary nonsense just one endless stream of information
Press RESET immediately, Ivan Kuvshinov!
On Mon, 13 Sep 04 08:17:04 +0400, Ivan Kuvshinov wrote:
RA>> Why?
IK> Because exactly what was meant will be seen, and
IK> if something is written in the second line, then maybe this
IK> fundamentally? In poetry, for example, each line is
IK> new paragraph, will it work? Or the author can have his own style -
IK> is prohibited for the benefit of the autoformat?
Because code 13 in Fido is a dual-use symbol.
And /line feed/, and the end of the paragraph.
IK> I saw Mayakovsky's poems, is it really difficult to guess that
IK> this applies not only to poetry, maybe, why
IK> restrict methods of self-expression?
Because competent formatting systems, like TeX, have
proportional fonts, single-point display,
and not just one familiar place, and they know how to correctly hyphenate words.
What allows you to avoid spaces between words when stretching lines?
almost half a line, in which the gaze strays to the next one.
On a matrix display This is fundamentally impossible.
Press RESET immediately, Wladimir Bulchukey!
On Tue, 14 Sep 04 05:38:03 +0400, Wladimir Bulchukey wrote:
IK>> Here in this place, please go into more detail, I didn’t
IK>> was able to guess how this can be done without any tricks for
IK>> paragraph and then automatically replace it with a new one.
WB> Well, how... First, I copy in the usual way using Ctrl + A,
WB> Ctrl + V somewhere - in Notepad, Far, Outlook Express, that is
Via Ctrl-A you can copy only text that includes everything
Markup elements. Otherwise, you are not copying the text, but only individual
letters...
The easiest way is to drag the text via the clipboard, or with the mouse,
from the Mozilla browser window to the Mozilla composer window - with all the markup, and
then, after editing (removing everything unnecessary), print it out. When
using IE you can only save the "source" and load it later in
"visual" HTML editor (IE for some reason considers notepad to be this way, but
the latter cannot print formatted HTML).
WB> into any program containing a text editor; I save from it
WB> to a text file. Then I process the file with a wonderful utility
That is, for example, the tables are already lost forever. Like the drawingsSame. And the incident described in the next letter is poetry by Mayakovsky,
This wonderful utility is formatted into one paragraph.
Hello, Wladimir!
15 Sep 04 06:17, Wladimir Bulchukey -> Ivan Kuvshinov:
WB> but also another utility, but already written by me
WB> (to replace some unreadable characters).
GoldED, by the way, has a developed system of replacement tables...
Best regards, Evgeniy.
Hello, Kirill!
15 Sep 04, 08:45, Kirill Frolov wrote to Roman Alexandrov on the topic "Re:
GoldEd.":
WB>>> GoldEd copes even more or less, and Outlook Express puts the symbol
WB>>> citations only in place of presence Enter; if you need to break up a "paragraph"
WB>>> for several autonomously quoted parts, have to be done manually
WB>>> place corners.
RA>> 1) Do you work at FIDO on Outgluck?
KF> I will say this thing - in the old days, letters with lines
KF> hundreds of characters long, could come with the ends of the lines cut off.
KF> It’s even clear why: char line[128]... Now there’s a lot with This
KF> they fought and even, it seems, overcame, at least unnoticed.
KF> Well, existing standards say that many processing tools
KF> texts are not required to work with lines of either more than 4 or 8
KF> kilobyte. From this it follows that letters created with "infinitely
KF> with long" lines if the text is not /entirely/ encoded
KF> HTML or base64, reach the recipient intact KF> are not required either.
And how does all of the above relate to the question I asked?
Happy connections. Roman.
Press RESET immediately, Roman Alexandrov!
On Thu, 16 Sep 04 21:47:39 +0400, Roman Alexandrov wrote:
WB>>>> you have to manually place the corners.
RA>>> 1) Do you work at FIDO on Outgluck?
KF>> I will say this thing - in the old days, letters with lines
KF>> hundreds of characters long, could come with the ends of the lines cut off.
KF>> texts are not required to work with lines of either more than 4 or 8
KF>> kilobyte. From this it follows that letters created with "infinitely
RA> And how does all of the above relate to the question I asked?
Why should this somehow relate to what you asked?
question? Why are you asking?
Hello, Kirill!
17 Sep 04, 20:39, Kirill Frolov wrote to Roman Alexandrov on the topic "Re:
GoldEd.":
WB>>>>> you have to manually place the corners.
RA>>>> 1) Do you work at FIDO on Outgluck?
KF>>> I will say this thing - in the old days, letters with lines
KF>>> hundreds of characters long, could come with the ends of the lines cut off.
KF>>> texts are not required to work with lines of either more than 4 or 8
KF>>> kilobyte. From this it follows that letters created with "infinitely
RA>> And how does all of the above relate to the question I asked?
KF> Why should this somehow relate to what you asked
KF> question?
Why is it written under my question?
KF> Why do you ask?
I didn't even ask you.
Happy connections. Roman.
Hello, Kirill...!
17 Sep 04 20:39, Kirill Frolov -> Roman Alexandrov:
KF> Why do you ask?
Wrong! We must say: "APVS?"
:-))
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Hello Kirill!
September 11, 2004 (it was 01:20 then)
Kirill Frolov in his letter to Ivan Kuvshinov wrote:
IK>> what - select a paragraph, press a button, and - voila: paragraph
IK>> formatted. If you're interested, I'll share my experience, but right away
IK>> I say that it was done in one place. :)
IK>> This letter is formatted exactly like this.
KF> But you don’t need to do that. No need. Then he will read your letters
KF> not possible. The eyes are not official...
What about real people with 42 characters per line? :)
Vega/ex-Style Group.
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Hello, Vlad!
20 Sep 04, 23:33, Vlad Sotnikov wrote to Kirill Frolov on the topic "GoldEd.":
IK>>> what - select a paragraph, press a button, and - voila: paragraph
IK>>> formatted. If you're interested, I'll share my experience, but right away
IK>>> I say that it was done in one place. :)
IK>>> This letter is formatted exactly like this.
KF>> But you don’t need to do that. No need. Then he will read your letters
KF>> not possible. The eyes are not official...
VS> What about real people with 42 characters per line? :)
Everything will be quite stepped for them :)
Happy connections. Roman.
And how is your nothing, Ivan!
I am writing to you from a burning tank...
Sat 11 Sep 2004 12:25:00, Ivan Kuvshinov -> Kirill Frolov:
KF>> But you don’t need to do that. No need. Your letters later
KF>> will be read
KF>> is not possible. The eyes are not official...
IK> Well, it’s clear that on a PC you can do whatever you want
IK> but on a real Spectrum, it will probably be more convenient
IK> read?
ahaha it’s convenient for me!!!!!
Best regards, Niko Sun ATM-turbo rulezzz!!!
mail: niko-sun@rin.ru Si yo leter, Ivan ...