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From Kirill Frolov To Aleksandr Majorov 17 August 2003

Press RESET immediately, Aleksandr Majorov! On Sat, 16 Aug 03 17:25:10 +0400, Aleksandr Majorov wrote: AM>>> Well, never mind, SCO will prove that the GPL license is illegal and not AM>>> complies with American laws, then it’s really fun KF>> Then SCO itself will lose the right to use Linux. AM> No. I already talked about a possible option: AM> You stole the source code from us, which means the rights to Linux belong to us. All of Linux? Strange logic. There are many co-authors and they will against... AM>>> Which browsers now fully support xhtml-1.1? KF>> Completely - none. Partially - many of the latter, except KF>> very poor ones, like links (not to be confused with lynx). AM> It turns out that no browser will display the page in xhtml-1.1 correctly. So, no browser will display html-4.x absolutely correctly. AM>>> And what browser will they use to access this page? KF>> This is a vicious approach, which stimulates optimization for KF>> "1024x768" and "Your browser is not WIN32 capable". Against such W3C and KF>> was created. AM> Explain why. What why? W3C? So that you sites not only from under IE and 21" monitor I could watch. So that Google can somehow retrieve useful information from the Internet... AM> Here are the conditions for you: 99.99% of people visit your site using IE 5, and with AM> resolution 1024x768. It’s even easier to give them the .exe to download (like Masyanya)... AM> What is the point for you to make a site on xhtml-1.1 and so on? So that you can access the site not only from Windows, not only from IE, and not only with an IBM-PC with a 21" monitor, but for example with a mobile phone. WAP why do you think it appeared? KF>> Which needs to be updated sometimes. AM> Incorrect. You need to upgrade to plug the hole, and also when AM> The current software/hardware is not enough. The page is not displayed correctly - this means that the current software is not enough. Upgrading software often does not involve significant costs... KF>> For some reason, every second person has Flash, but it’s included KF>> no. AM> Because many “cool” website makers think that they should hang it up AM> gigabyte flash for the home page, or even make the entire site on flash AM> - this is cool. Making the entire page in jpegs is even cooler... KF>> Guess how users of some other browsers KF>> increase statistics in favor of IE? They forcibly prescribe KF>> User-Agent as "IE x.x", otherwise again "not capable". AM> Not a fact. Go to the Russian Microsoft website. Not from IE. KF>> Why do you think standards are needed at all? AM> For browser creators first of all. They can also think with their heads... just like website creators. The result has already been - Netscape vs IE. KF>> It has already reached the point that html for a computer cannot be shown on the screen KF>> mobile phone and vice versa. AM> Because flash banners are not shown on the burial ground? :) No, because the page is overloaded with unnecessary information and Doesn't fit on a small screen. Because the remedy intended for structural markings began to be used for design... And instead of banners you can make empty gray squares, like in Mozilla (block images in the menu).

From Aleksandr Majorov To Kirill Frolov 17 August 2003

*** Reply to message from CARBON.COPIES (<>). Hello Kirill! 17 Aug 03 00:47, Kirill Frolov -> Aleksandr Majorov: [skipped] KF>>> Then SCO itself will lose the right to use Linux. AM>> No. I already talked about a possible option: AM>> You stole the source code from us, which means the rights to Linux belong to us. KF> All Linux? Strange logic. Normal logic. They just want lots and lots of money, that’s all. KF> There are many co-authors and they will be against... And since these co-authors provided raw materials under an illegal GPL license, then they go forest. [skipped] KF>>> This is a vicious approach, which stimulates optimization for KF>>> "1024x768" and "Your browser is not WIN32 capable". Against this KF>>> W3C was created. AM>> Explain why. KF> What why? Why a vicious approach. [skipped] KF> So that the same google can somehow retrieve KF> useful information from the Internet... How the requirements of IE 5 and Big Monica affect Google's ability to crawl website? AM>> Here are the conditions for you: 99.99% of people visit your site using IE AM>> 5, and with a resolution of 1024x768. KF> It’s even easier to give them the .exe to download (like Masyanya)... Also an option. What if this is a site with a forum/chat and other features for communication. And the site itself is dedicated to the problems of those who have IE 8 and Monique 25", then what for to do high-quality support for other browsers? AM>> What is the point for you to make a site on xhtml-1.1 and so on? KF> So that you can access the site not only from Windows, not only KF> from IE, and not only from an IBM-PC with a 21" monitor, but for example from a mobile phone. What if there is definitely nothing interesting there for those who do not have the necessary requirements? The site author has every right to “tailor” his site to certain requirements. The fact that it will lose a certain percentage of visitors has already been said. But why is this a flawed approach to creating a website? You also say that writing a program that runs under a certain version of the OS There is also a vicious approach. :) KF> Why do you think WAP appeared? IMHO, just another feature for a mobile phone. [skipped] AM>> Incorrect. You need to upgrade to plug the hole, and also then AM>> when the current software/hardware is not enough. KF> Here the page is displayed incorrectly - it means the current software KF> is missing. Or just screw this page. [skipped] AM>> Because many “cool” website makers think that they should hang it up AM>> gigabyte flash for the home page, or even make the entire site AM>> on flush - this is cool. KF> Making the entire page in jpegs is even cooler... By the way, in this case all problems with compliance with standards and with the presence of cool bells and whistles! [skipped] KF>>> Force User-Agent to be registered as "IE x.x", otherwise KF>>> again “not capable”. AM>> Not a fact. KF> Go to the Russian Microsoft website. Not from IE. So, it is the statistics of the Russian MS website that are the basis for the calculations what percentage of users use which browser??? And the fact that MS does not allow you to visit other sites is MS’s sexual problems. Maybe they reduce the load on the server in this way, they say they don’t care about anyone Linux users should wander around here :) At the same time, they advertise their browser, and therefore advertise Windows. So everything is logical (from MS point of view) Alexand

From Kirill Frolov To Aleksandr Majorov 17 August 2003

Press RESET immediately, Aleksandr Majorov! On Sun, 17 Aug 03 02:28:29 +0400, Aleksandr Majorov wrote: AM>>> No. I already talked about a possible option: AM>>> You stole the source code from us, which means the rights to Linux belong to us. KF>> All Linux? Strange logic. AM> Normal logic. They just want lots and lots of money, that’s all. Well, then they can additionally demand all the property Jewish US citizens... KF>> There are many co-authors and they will be against... AM> And since these co-authors provided raw materials under an illegal GPL license, AM> then they are walking through the forest. Regardless of the GPL license, they are the owners of proprietary rights and are protected by copyright law. The fact of transfer of rights to SCO or else who didn’t (the GPL does not provide for this, especially since it is illegal), so you're delusional. KF>>>> "1024x768" and "Your browser is not WIN32 capable". Against this KF>>>> W3C was created. AM>>> Explain why. KF>> What why? AM> Why a vicious approach. Because it stimulates the first line of my quoting. KF>> So that Google can somehow extract useful information KF>> from the Internet... AM> How the requirements of IE 5 and Big Monica affect the ability of Google AM> scan the site? KF>> It’s even easier to give them the .exe to download (like Masyanya)... AM> Also an option. AM> And if this is a site with a forum/chat and other features for communication. And there would be Active-X encrypted. AM> The site author has every right to “tailor” his site to certain AM> requirements. He does this and as a result: KF>> Why do you think WAP appeared? AM> IMHO like another feature for a mobile phone. This is because most Internet sites (especially Russian!) cannot be viewed on a mobile phone. KF>> Making the entire page in jpegs is even cooler... AM> By the way, in this case all problems with compliance with standards are solved AM> the presence of cool bells and whistles! In this case, the problem with monitor size and poor vision is not solved individual readers. And you need to wait for a download (pay for megabytes) for a very long time. KF>> Go to the Russian Microsoft website. Not from IE. AM> Along the way, they advertise their browser, and therefore advertise Windows as well. AM> So everything is logical (from MS point of view) What is logical if I want to find out how I can install Windows instead of Linux? I went to the Microsoft website and they sent me there? How do I know about all the delights Windows, if I can’t go there? And on www.debian.org with any browser maybe even links or lynx.

From Aleksandr Majorov To Kirill Frolov 18 August 2003

*** Reply to message from CARBON.COPIES (<>). Hello Kirill! 17 Aug 03 19:37, Kirill Frolov -> Aleksandr Majorov: [skipped] KF>>> All Linux? Strange logic. AM>> Normal logic. They just want a lot, a lot of money, that's it AM>> everything. KF> Well, then they may also demand the whole thing KF> property of US citizens of Jewish nationality... They can try this too. They tried to (seemingly) collect property taxes from owners in California KF>>> There are many co-authors and they will be against... AM>> And since these co-authors provided raw materials under an illegal GPL license, AM>> then they are walking through the forest. KF> Regardless of the GPL license, they are the owners of the property KF> rights and are protected by copyright law. SCO claims that the GPL is contrary to copyright law and something like that more. Those. choose - either the illegal GPL or copyright law. KF> There was no transfer of rights to SCO or anyone else (GPL did not do this KF> provides, especially since it is illegal),If they prove the GPL is illegal, then they might come up with something with copyright Linux rights. KF> so you're delusional. It's not me, it's all SCO :) KF>>>>> "1024x768" and "Your browser is not WIN32 capable". Against KF>>>>> this is how the W3C was created. AM>>>> Explain why. KF>>> What why? AM>> Why a vicious approach. KF> Because it stimulates the first line of my quoting. You also say that the construction of parking lots for passenger cars is vicious, because it is not gives you the opportunity to get there by tank :) The author made his own site, it is his and only his. But only the author can allow access to his site under a certain “license”. Like “you can access the site provided...” And it will be exactly the same “license” as the GPL. Copyright, you understand. [skipped] AM>> The site author has every right to “sharpen” his site under AM>> certain requirements. KF> He does this and as a result: KF>>> Why do you think WAP appeared? The author does not want his site to be used via WAP, so what? [skipped] KF>>> Go to the Russian Microsoft website. Not from IE. AM>> Along the way, they advertise their browser, and therefore advertise AM>> and Windows. So everything is logical (from MS point of view) KF> What is logical if I want to find out how I can install Linux instead KF> Windows went to the Microsoft website, and they sent me there? How do I know KF> about all the delights of Windows, if I can’t go there? And they apparently decided that if a person is a Linux user, then it’s in the morgue. Cannot be treated %) Alexand

From Kirill Frolov To Aleksandr Majorov 19 August 2003

Press RESET immediately, Aleksandr Majorov! On Mon, 18 Aug 03 19:12:12 +0400, Aleksandr Majorov wrote: KF>> Well, then they may additionally demand the whole thing KF>> property of US citizens of Jewish nationality... AM> They can try this too. He has no idea. KF>> Regardless of the GPL license, they are the owners of the property KF>> rights and are protected by copyright law. AM> SCO claims that the GPL is contrary to copyright law and something AM> there's more. Those. choose - either the illegal GPL or the copyright law AM> rights. I won't choose anything. The law applies regardless of everything the rest. And the object of copyright law protection is computer program, property and other rights... and the GPL is a contract concluded between the copyright holder and the user. Completely different things. KF>> There was no transfer of rights to SCO or anyone else (GPL did not do this KF>> provides, especially since it is illegal), AM> If they prove the GPL is illegal, they might come up with something with AM> copyright for Linux.What's stopping them from coming up with perpetual motion and antigravity? More benefits there will be. AM>>> Why a vicious approach. KF>> Because it stimulates the first line of my quoting. AM> You also say that the construction of parking lots for cars is vicious, AM> because it doesn’t give you the opportunity to get there in a tank :) There's something to it. AM> The author made his own site, it is his and only his. AM> Copyrights, you understand. Nobody has anything against copyrights, the problem here is solely incompatibility of standards. AM> The author does not want his site to be used via WAP, so what? I doubt that the author does not want this. Either way it's bad... KF>> What is logical, if I want to find out how I can install Linux instead KF>> Windows went to the Microsoft website, and they sent me there? How do I know KF>> about all the delights of Windows, if I can’t go there? AM> And they apparently decided that if a person is a Linux user, then it’s in the morgue. Cannot be treated AM> %) Ahh... And on the American site you can log in from Linux, and there are fakiesHow to migrate from Linux. Only a lot of it is in English.

From Aleksandr Majorov To Kirill Frolov 19 August 2003

*** Reply to message from CARBON.COPIES (<>). Hello Kirill! 19 Aug 03 00:39, Kirill Frolov -> Aleksandr Majorov: [skipped] KF> a computer program, property and other rights... and the GPL is KF> agreement concluded between the copyright holder and the user. KF> Completely different things. If they apparently want to prove that the “GPL agreement” has no legal force and all that. [skipped] AM>> If they prove the GPL is illegal, they can come up with something with AM>> copyright for Linux. KF> What's stopping them from coming up with a perpetual motion machine and antigravity? The fact that it is more expensive to come up with. But with GPL it’s apparently cheaper :) [skipped] AM>> The author made his own site, it is his and only his. AM>> Copyright, you understand. KF> Nobody has anything against copyright, that’s the problem KF> exclusively in the incompatibility of standards. The author “concludes an agreement” according to which he shows his site only to those who uses IE. And he doesn’t care about the standard. AM>> The author does not want his site to be used via WAP, so what? KF> I doubt that the author does not want this. Either way, it's bad... Well, yes, it’s bad for those whose browser is not IE. And not according to the standard. And all because the author of the site does not know anything about any standards, and does not want to pay those who understand much more about website creation. Like “it’ll do just fine.” [skipped] KF>>> How do I learn about all the delights of Windows if I don’t go there KF>>> can I? AM>> And they apparently decided that if a person is a Linux user, then it’s in the morgue. Not AM>> being treated %) KF> Ahh... And on the American site you can log in from Linux, and KF> there are fakies on how to migrate from Linux. Only a lot of it is in English KF> language. Well, then there are two more options: 1) decided that Russian Linux is a morgue :) 2) MS was attacked when she made her English page “IE only”, here they are and returned everything back. And regarding the Russian page, no one attacks them, so they don't change it. Alexand

From Kirill Frolov To Aleksandr Majorov 20 August 2003

Press RESET immediately, Aleksandr Majorov! On Tue, 19 Aug 03 17:46:13 +0400, Aleksandr Majorov wrote: AM> If apparently they want to prove that the “GPL agreement” has no AM> legal force and all that. There will be a lot of problems if they prove it... Not with Linux, but in general. AM>>> they can come up with something with copyright on Linux. KF>> What's stopping them from coming up with a perpetual motion machine and antigravity? AM> The fact that it is more expensive to come up with. But with GPL it’s apparently cheaper :) Enemies of the people, pests. AM> The author “concludes an agreement” according to which he shows his site only AM> for those who use IE. And he doesn’t care about the standard. If I were the hoster, I would enter into an agreement with the author that he should not do this there will be. Beneficial to everyone, except perhaps the author. AM> And all because the author of the site knows nothing about any standards, and does not AM> wants to pay those who understand much more about creating websites. Like "and AM> it will do just fine." In this case, IE is not up to par. Unless, of course, the site is designed for IE. KF>> Ahh... And on the American site you can log in from Linux, and KF>> there are fakies on how to migrate from Linux. Only a lot of it is in English KF>> language. AM> Well, then there are two more options: AM> 1) they decided that Russian Linux is a morgue :) Quite possible. In Russia, Linux is mainly used only for private use, and there is no money there. AM> 2) MS was attacked when she made her English page “IE only” Yes, my cabinet used to fall steadily... maybe it’s still falling now, but now it's Mozilla.

From Aleksandr Majorov To Kirill Frolov 20 August 2003

Hello Kirill! 20 Aug 03 02:43, Kirill Frolov -> Aleksandr Majorov: [skipped] AM>> If they apparently want to prove that the “GPL agreement” has no basis AM>> legal force and all that. KF> There will be a lot of problems if they prove it... Not with Linux, but in general. Most likely. However, the SCO people themselves already understand that their business is ruined. There was some kind of SCO Forum here this week, where SCO people finally showed public "stolen pieces of code". By the way, they have already stated that in Linux over a million lines stolen :) Well, since they showed everyone, they obviously chose the most revealing piece, and soooo screwed up! %) By the way, from the news: SCO - even if we lose in court, the money received for "licensing We will not return Linux! As you can see, there is a clear violation of the law - they are essentially engaged in extortion, and they don’t even want to give up the loot. [skipped] AM>> The author “concludes an agreement” under which he displays his site AM>> only for those who use IE. And he doesn’t care about the standard. KF> If I were the hoster, I would enter into an agreement with the author that he is so KF> will not do. Beneficial to everyone, except perhaps the author. Explain the meaning of hosters in such an agreement? Especially if the hosting is paid. AM>> And all because the author of the site knows nothing about any AM>> standards, and does not want to pay those who understand website creation AM>> much more. Like “it will do just fine.” KF> In this case, IE is not up to par. Unless, of course, the site is designed for IE. Sites from the series “it will do just fine” or “beautiful on the face, terrible on the inside” IMHO they are done in FrontPage or in Word in general. And you can guess what the html will be designed for there :) [skipped] AM>> Well, then there are two more options: AM>> 1) they decided that Russian Linux is a morgue :) KF> Quite possible. In Russia, Linux is mainly used only in private KF> use, but there is no money. Well, I’m not sure about “only in private”. Alexand

From Kirill Frolov To Aleksandr Majorov 21 August 2003

Press RESET immediately, Aleksandr Majorov! On Wed, 20 Aug 03 17:44:33 +0400, Aleksandr Majorov wrote: AM>>> If they apparently want to prove that the “GPL agreement” has no AM>>> legal force and all that. KF>> There will be a lot of problems if they prove it... Not with Linux, but in general. AM> Most likely. AM> However, the SCO people themselves already understand that their business is ruined. AM> There was some kind of SCO Forum here this week, where SCO people finally showed AM> public "stolen pieces of code". By the way, they have already stated that in AM> more than a million lines were stolen in Linux :) I'm wondering if SCO's sources are not freely distributed, then where did they steal this million? As I understand it, the point is that IBM and someone else transferred their developments in Linux. And it agrees well with the growth graph of code volume in Linux. AM> SCO - even if we lose in court, the money received for AM> “Linux licensing” we will not return! Well, that's what I say - fraud. KF>> If I were the hoster, I would enter into an agreement with the author that he is so KF>> will not do. Beneficial to everyone, except perhaps the author. AM> Explain the meaning of hosters in such an agreement? AM> Especially if the hosting is paid. The Internet is becoming more accessible, there is more content, more traffic... and they pay just for traffic. Here is narod.ru, I wonder what kind of funds it exists on? AM>>> much more. Like “it will do just fine.” KF>> In this case, IE is not up to par. Unless, of course, the site is designed for IE. AM> Sites from the series “it will do” or “beautiful on the face, terrible on the inside” AM> are done IMHO in FrontPage or generally in Word. AM> And you can guess what the html will be designed for :) It is fundamentally impossible to edit HTML visually. The result of such transformations is usually disgusting. At one time I was amazed by Netscape Composer, which for _every_ wrote the line: one line of text
AM>>> 1) decided that Russian Linux is a morgue :) KF>> Quite possible. In Russia, Linux is mainly used only in private KF>> use, but there is no money. AM> Well, I’m not sure about “only in private.” In the ex-USSR, a lot of Windows were stolen and Linux is not freeno advantage over Windows, rather the opposite.

From Aleksandr Majorov To Kirill Frolov 21 August 2003

Hello Kirill! 21 Aug 03 00:47, Kirill Frolov -> Aleksandr Majorov: [skipped] AM>> However, the SCO people themselves already understand that their business is ruined. AM>> There was some kind of SCO Forum here this week, where SCO people finally AM>> "stolen pieces of code" were shown to the public. By the way, they already AM>> stated that more than a million lines were stolen in Linux :) KF> I'm wondering if SCO source codes are not freely distributed KF> where did they steal this million? What SCO people allegedly own (i.e. the rights to Unix, which has not yet been proven) It has been officially published several times in the public domain and in textbooks. And SCO itself distributed some raw materials under the GPL. And the piece of code shown to everyone is not only full of errors and cannot exist at all compiled, is not yet the property of SCO, was given repeatedly in some textbooks, etc. And what SCO people said as “evil Linux people copied the code, comments, even jokes in the comments, but the copyrights were thrown out", in addition to the above example this caused wild laughter. Because what was not in the Linux source code on the given “source code” looked like a crappy text. Those. when typing this text, SCO was chosen different font, Greek or something...And when “deciphering” this text, it turned out that there were simply comments like “this is a trial version of transition to something” and all that :) KF> As I understand it, the point is that IBM and someone else transferred theirs KF> Linux development. And it’s good with the graph of code volume growth in Linux KF> consistent. Yeah. Like SCO licensed IBM to develop AIX. And these bad radishes dared to bring their(!) developments for AIX to some Linux. AM>> SCO - even if we lose in court, the money received for AM>> “Linux licensing” we will not return! KF> Well, that's what I say - fraud. and continuation "... but we will continue to extort money from everyone Linux users. For this we created three groups. The first one will search the second is to send letters to those found, and the third is to sue.” [skipped] KF>>> will not do. Beneficial to everyone, except perhaps the author. AM>> Explain the meaning of hosters in such an agreement? AM>> Especially if the hosting is paid. KF> The Internet is becoming more accessible, there is more content, more traffic... a KF> they pay just for traffic. This is more profitable for everyone. KF> Here is narod.ru, I wonder what funds it exists on? Narod.ru is Yandex. And money... Well, one of the ways is advertising. The more sites there are on narod.ru, the more advertisements they show. Plus some other income. And Narod.ru most likely acts as an advertisement itself used. [skipped] AM>> Sites from the series “it will do” or “on a beautiful, scary face AM>> inside" are done IMHO in FrontPage or in general in Word. And under what AM>> the html will be sharpened there, you can guess it yourself :) KF> It is fundamentally impossible to edit HTML visually. You tell this to those for whom “it will do.” KF> The result of such transformations is usually disgusting. KF> At one time I was amazed by Netscape Composer, which for _every_ KF> wrote the line: KF> one line of text
Well, the dreamviewer generates better code. As a starting template for further cleaning is just that. Alexand

From Kirill Frolov To Aleksandr Majorov 22 August 2003

Press RESET immediately, Aleksandr Majorov! On Thu, 21 Aug 03 17:36:11 +0400, Aleksandr Majorov wrote: KF>> Well, that's what I say - fraud. AM> and continuation "... but we will continue to extort money from everyone AM> Linux users. For this we created three groups. The first one will be AM> search, the second is to send letters to those found, and the third is to sue." Until the first trial, the rest are won automatically (in the USA). KF>> Here is narod.ru, I wonder what funds exist? AM> Narod.ru is Yandex. AM> And money... Well, one of the ways is advertising. The more on people.ru AM> sites, the more advertising they show. There are very few advertisements there. AM> Plus some other income. And narod.ru most likely acts as advertising itself AM> is used. IMHO, in this case, “content,” although free, is more important than advertising. Why is beyond my understanding.

From Aleksandr Majorov To Kirill Frolov 22 August 2003

Hello Kirill! 22 Aug 03 03:50, Kirill Frolov -> Aleksandr Majorov: [skipped] AM>> and continuation "... but we will continue to extort money from everyone AM>> Linux users. For this we created three groups. First AM>> will search, the second will send letters to those found, and the third AM>> sue." KF> Until the first trial, the rest are won automatically (in the USA). Each state also has its own laws - they can come up with something :) KF>>> Here is narod.ru, I wonder what funds exist? AM>> Narod.ru is Yandex. AM>> And money... Well, one of the ways is advertising. The more on AM>> people.ru sites, the more advertising they show. KF> There are very few advertisements. Well, consider a little advertising * a lot of user visits = a certain amount. AM>> Plus some other income. And people.ru most likely do it yourself AM>> advertising is used. KF> IMHO, in this case, “content,” although free, is more important than advertising. KF> Why - my mind cannot understand. Well, actually, yes, it’s not clear what kind of money they live on. Alexand

From Kirill Frolov To Aleksandr Majorov 24 August 2003

Press RESET immediately, Aleksandr Majorov! On Fri, 22 Aug 03 18:00:41 +0400, Aleksandr Majorov wrote: AM>>> Linux users. For this we created three groups. First AM>>> will search, the second will send letters to those found, and the third KF>> Until the first trial, the rest are won automatically (in the USA). AM> Each state also has its own laws - they can come up with something :) I was informed that on TV, in the program “about the computer” (6th, I think channel) they are telling with all their might that Linux has already become paid. I didn't see it myself.