ZXNet Route

Hello All! Current routing scheme. 95/0 152 - normal 572 - seems normal 622 - seems to be down 612 - according to rumors, it seems like they need to be routed to 562... 562 - normal 322 - seems normal 812 - packets from them go to 95/0, but everyone tells me that they are at 562/0 816 - in lifelong down 3622 - generally unknown where to send packets 3712 3432 - ok 4232 - almost normal 8362 8462 3882 - their email does not exist or some other error 9638 Best regards, Evgeniy.

Hello Eugene! Wed 31-May-2000 11:11, you (500:95/468@ZXNet) wrote a letter to All: EP> 95/0 [...] EP> 812 - packets from them go to 95/0, but everyone tells me that they are under EP> 562/0 This is an emergency link (for which, by the way, many thanks to 562/0). I wanted I would like to restore the link with Moscow and in my direction, as it was before. With best wishes, Vladimir.

On Thu 1 Jun 2000, Eugene Palenock wrote: EP> Current routing scheme. EP> 95/0 [Killed.] EP> 8462 - almost normal Not almost. I'm fine. :) Which one was given and I work with it. :> E-mail: zs80@ssu.samara.ru ~/ <~ http://www.zx.ru/zs/ ZXNet: 500:8462/1 /_ _> ftp://zx-museum.org.ru/zs/

Hello Artem! 01 Jun 00 11:28, Artem O. Kozakov -> Eugene Palenock: EP>> 572 - seems normal AK> when were the last letters from them? Yes, they write from time to time... AK> I've been knocking for a long time AK> Kharkov IP server, no use. I'm still on IUC... EP>> 812 - packets from them go to 95/0, but everyone tells me that they are EP>> under 562/0 AK> need to find out. in any case, all the echoes come from me in their direction. And now from me too... Best regards, Evgeniy.

Hi, Alexey! 06/8/2000 at 10:11 Alexey Ivanov wrote to Artem O. Kozakov: AI> 2ALL: I said so much... Choose a new ZC. I don't have time anymore AI> free. Can you abdicate the throne normally? Transfer power to TempZC, who will hold elections. Or are “fuss and zarozumulst” getting in the way again? You've been saying this for a year now "I'll leave, I'll leave." For you, this has already become a form of blackmail - your word is crooked If you say, you immediately go into hysterics: “I’ll erase the software, I’ll forget about everything, shut up, @#@$%.” WBR, Vladimir. *AKA*

Greetings, Vladimir! June 21, 2000 (it was 03:29 then) Vladimir Larkov in his letter to Vladimir Klymus wrote: VK>> It’s high time to hold democratic elections and choose more VK>> young and less busy ZC. I propose Artem Kozakov. VL> Stop. I suggest a pause. Musical/not - on the drum. I suggest VL> first depict the rules for conducting these very elections. With everyone VL> resulting from: conducting, checking, quorum, deadlines, etc... And then VL> there are already 812 of us, as if elections are underway... according to very approximate ones VL> rules, the second, it seems to me, will be overkill... take the FidoNet policy. Since there are no rules of our own, you can look at others. so: 1) Zone Coordinator and his elections. === Quoting the Windows Clipboard file === 1.2.5 Zones and Zone Coordinators A Zone is a large geographic area that includes many regions and covering one or more countries and/or continents. The Zone Coordinator combines NodeLists from all regions of the zone, and creates a main NodeList and a file of current changes, which are then propagated through FidoNet in the zone. The Zone Coordinator does not service the forwarding of messages to any node la region.>Zone Coordinators are selected by the Regional Coordinators of this >zones. ===End quote === Now let's try to find out what the situation is with regional coordinators? but none. there are none. and according to the policy === Quoting the Windows Clipboard file === 1.2.4 Regions and Regional Coordinators Region is a specific geographical area, including nodes that may or may not be combined not found on the network. A typical region contains many nodes that unite on the network, and several independent nodes that are not part of any network. The Regional Coordinator maintains the list independent nodes of the region and receives NodeLists from the Coordination tors of Networks in the region. These lists are combined into a regional NodeList, which is then sent to the Zone Coordinator (Zone Coordinator). The regional coordinator does not handle forwarding ku messages from any node in the region. >Regional Coordinators are appointed by the Zone Coordinator. ===End quote === in our case there were no appointments. therefore, I can assume that a single geographical element of ZXNet - a network (city) can be considered as region. Thus, I would venture to suggest that our regional coordinator is he is also the network coordinator.The next assumption is that the network coordinator is the node - the host of the network. Why? there is not a single U, NC flag in the current ZXNet net_zxn.168 nodelist Consequently, we arrive at the following list of nodes participating in the ZC ZXNet elections: === Quoting the Windows Clipboard file === Host,95,,Moscow,Eugene_Palenock,7-095-468-8184,9600,MO,ZPK,V90C,X2C,V32T,H16,VF Host,152,ZXNetBY_Gate,Grodno,Sergey_Orlov,8-01522-253-37,9600,V34,ZYX,MO,RC,IUC Host,232,Gomel_Net,Gomel,Dmitry_Kostroma,,2400,EMS Host,17,Minsk_ZXNet,Minsk,Mihail_Artushenko,8-017-238-3150,2400,EMS Host,322,LvivZXNet,Lviv,Vladimir_Klymus,380-322-67-6045,33600,V34,V42B,XX,U,TWF Host,562,Dniepr_Net,Dniep_UA,Artem_Kozakov,380-56-7250335,9600,V34,MO,IUC:artko Host,572,X-Project_Line1,Kharkov,Alexei_Bugai,380-572-945910,9600,V32B,V42B,XX, Host,622,KGS_Station,Donetsk,Tim_Kelly,380-622-525251,9600,XX,MO,V34,V42B Host,812,SPbZxNet,St.Petersburg,Vladimir_Larkov,7-812-446-6557,9600,XX,V32T,H16 Host,3432,ZxNet_3432_Gate,Ekaterinburg,Sergey_Kovinov,7-343-2417731,9600,XA,MO, Host,3622,Point777,Rovno,Eugene_Tyukaev,7-036-221-6737,9600,V34,HST Host,3712,,Tashkent,Musa_Khaybullin,,9600,IUC:tashzxnet@mail.ru Host,3882,,Gorno-Altaisk,Dmitry_Pyankov,,9600,MO,IUC:dp@fmf.gasu.gorny.ru Host,4232,VladivostokZXNet,Vladivostok,Stanislav_Udin,,9600,MO,IUC:zxnet@softho Host,8362,Brainwave_HQ,Yoshkar-Ola_Russia,Roman_Petrov,7-8362-226609,9600,XX,V3Host,8462,ZS-Hub,Samara,Sergey_Zotov,,9600,MO,IUC:zs80@ssu.samara.ru Host,9638,PJs_station,Mozhaysk,Konstantyn_Kankyev,7-09638-51941,XX,MO,V32B,V42B ===End quote === a total of 17 people who have the right to vote in possible ZC elections. Again based on FidoNet Policy, we can assume that it is necessary to declare elections at least two weeks before the start and the deadline for collecting votes is also at least two weeks. 2) Actually, the duties of the Zone Coordinator === Quoting the Windows Clipboard file === 6 Zone Coordinator Procedures 6.1 General The primary task of each of the FidoNet Zone Coordinators is is maintaining the NodeList of the Zone and distributing the main NodeList (or difference file) in the Regions of the Zone. Coordinator The zone is also responsible for coordinating the distribution of documents Charter of the Network and FidoNews among the Regional Coordinators of the Zone. The responsibilities of the Zone Coordinator include ensuring uninterrupted network activity in the Zone, which is carried out for the intended purpose tion and supervision of Regional Coordinators. If the Zone Coordinator determines that the Regional Coordinator does not perform his duties listed in section 5 poorly, a replacement must be found. The Zone Coordinator sets the geographic boundaries of the regions Zones and assigns Zone Mail Hour. The Site Coordinator is responsible for reviewing and approving any geo-graphical exemptions described in section 5.6. The Zone Coordinator is responsible for ensuring smooth operation gateways between the zone and other zones transmitting correspondence tion between zones. Zone Coordinators select from among themselves the International Coordinator dinator. ===End quote === thus, first of all, the Zone Coordinator is required to manage the operation of the network, any other activity is secondary. Therefore, it can be proposed so that the ZXNet coordinator is not primarily involved in forwarding mail between regions. Best regards, Artem

Hi Eugene! 06/23/2000 at 07:53 Eugene Palenock wrote to Artem O. Kozakov: AK>> The Zone Coordinator combines NodeLists from AK>> of all regions of the zone, and creates the main NodeList and the current file AK>> changes, which are then propagated through FidoNet in the zone. AK>> The Zone Coordinator does not service the forwarding of messages to any node AK>> la region. EP> So I'm ZC? ;) You cannot be a ZC because your level of knowledge is too low. AK>> now let's try to find out what the situation is with regional AK>> coordinators? but none. there are none. EP> Yes. There are also flags in the nodelist. Only with us RC=NC Literally: not worth it. Flag indicating NC - UNC. Everyone else is me and my software ignore. You were told about this in good faith about a month ago. It looks like Even as a ZPK you are incompetent. AK>> ZXNet net_zxn.168 there is not a single U, NC flag EP> It seems there was just NC... Do you think so? You hold an official position in the network. You shouldn't it seems you should know. The flag is called UNC, dear. You and I got nodes in Z2 at the same time (both appeared in ’77nodelist), but it looks like you lied when you indicated in your application that you were familiar with official documents of the FidoNet network. AK>> networks, any other activity is secondary. Therefore AK>> it can be suggested that the ZXNet coordinator should not be involved AK>> mainly by forwarding mail between regions. EP> ZC should still have authority... So forget about the position. EP> Otherwise, his presence will change nothing EP> there will be no... Do we have a network of thieves in law and authorities? Or all seventeen NC should feel the boots of the “authority” ZC? WBR, Vladimir. *AKA*

Hello, Vladimir! 23 Jun 00 21:44, Vladimir Klymus -> Artem O. Kozakov: VK> To the point! ZC can be anything. Should become ZC - the most literate. That is VK> - you :)) Well, in general, there seem to be no other candidates. Except at 812. Best regards, Evgeniy.

Hello, Vladimir! 23 Jun 00 22:32, Vladimir Klymus -> Eugene Palenock: EP>> So I'm ZC? ;) VK> You cannot be ZC because your level of knowledge is too low. Yes, I have neither the time nor the desire to be ZC or anyone else... And remember that _I_ started making a ZXNet nodelist. No one else for some reason didn't do it. VK> It seems that even as ZPK you are incompetent. I don't force myself to be a ZPK. But this happened forcedly, when I needed to connect the nodelist to the software - It turned out that it does not exist at all. There were only 812. Then I started doing nodelist... And I only tracked so that I could find out - if a specific whether we have a network or not. And there are different NC flags, speed, etc. almost nowhere are used. Let's appoint someone ZPK. VK> but it looks like you lied when you indicated in your application that you were familiar with VK> official documents of the FidoNet network. ;)))) Give yourself N5020.*.* for general development... Do you know how we issue nodes? ;) By the way, they could give me pvt for a few bottles of beer... But I thought that then I won’t be able to put files on hold for anyone... === Home Windows Clipboard === ─ Sysop communication (2:5020/2065) ──────────────────────────── N5020.SYSOP.TALK ─ Np/p: 9 out of 14From: Roman Nikiforov 2:5020/3636 14 Jun 00 15:17:21 K: Constantine Vetlov 15 Jun 00 06:20:32 Subject: *** Check your lines. ─────────────────── ──────────────────── ──────────────────── ──────────────────── Hello, O Constantine! Thursday June 01 2000, Constantine Vetlov slowly wrote to Dave Asatrian: DA>> But I wouldn’t give this [censored] node. But since DA>> the precedent of an idiot sysop in the 5020 network described in Policy DA>> is valid, and nodes are issued to just anyone, then you have to DA>> to state a sad fact: with one ghost node on the network DA>> will become larger. :( CV> Or maybe it’s easier for someone from the node maker team to go to CV> deja.com/usenet CV> and look there - what a search in all discussions, complete will give CV> archive CV> to the entered first & last name of the applicant to the node address? Many CV> questions would immediately disappear... What about paying for the Internet? :) Best regards, Yours Eismann. + Origin: With a shield or covered in shit... (2:5020/3636) ===End of Windows Clipboard === EP>> ZC should still have authority... VK> So forget about the position. I have repeatedly told you that I will not ZC. Best regards, Evgeniy.

Hello, Artem! Tuesday June 27, 2000 09:42, Artem O. Kozakov (500:562/1) wrote to Dmitry Grigoryev: VK>>> young and less busy ZC. I propose Artyom Kozakov. DG>> Who is this? AK> I :) a. I have no more questions :) As well as opinions, however. No, I mean what is needed introduce candidates or be introduced by them. Here, for example, Vladimir Larkov is known to everyone, it is clear that he will cope in the role of ZC. Eugene Palenock - already coped with it, restored the network, maintains nodelists. And I didn’t see you a week ago I saw it nowhere... In short, there are three worthy and terribly shy candidates - you, Larkov and Palenock... Instead of nibbling and teasing others, actually hold elections finally. The rules were thrown here, what else do you need? AK> Sincerely, Artem Best regards, Dmitry (OLDMAN). 2:5020/689.31@FidoNet oldman@i-connect.ru [ZX]

Hello Dmitry! 30 Jun 00 18:17, Dmitry Grigoryev -> Artem O. Kozakov: DG> Vladimir Larkov is known to everyone, it is clear that he will cope in the role of ZC. Well, I thought about him too... But he is rarely seen in echoes... Probably this is the best option... DG> And a week ago I didn’t see you anywhere... And the soap packets from it have not been pressed at all for the last few days and nothing... I wonder what VK will write now?... Best regards, Evgeniy.

Hello, Eugene! Mon 03 July 2000 17:14, Eugene Palenock (500:95/468@ZXNet) wrote to Dmitry Grigoryev: DG>> Vladimir Larkov is known to everyone, it is clear that he will cope in the role of ZC. EP> Well, I was thinking about him too... But he is something that is rarely observed in echoes... EP> This is probably the best option... Why does ZC hang around in the echoes? His duty is to ensure that others could do it easily and effortlessly :) DG>> And a week ago I didn’t see you anywhere... EP> And the soap packets from it have not been mixed at all for the last few days We are all as literate as we can be. EP> nothing... I wonder what VK will write now?... He will say that his node number is lower than yours, and I finally have a point :)) EP> Sincerely, Evgeniy. Best regards, Dmitry (OLDMAN). 2:5020/689.31@FidoNet oldman@i-connect.ru [ZX]

Greetings, Dmitry! June 30, 2000 (and it was then 18:17) Dmitry Grigoryev in his letter to Artem O. Kozakov wrote: AK>> I :) DG> a. I have no more questions :) As well as opinions, however. No, what I mean is that DG> it is necessary to introduce candidates or be introduced by them. Here you go DG> example, Vladimir Larkov - everyone knows it, it’s clear that he can handle the role DG> ZC. Eugene Palenock - already done it, restored the network, maintains nodelists. DG> And a week ago I didn’t see you anywhere... and what should have been done? create a flame on national grounds? I sat silently and did its job - forwarding mail, what else is required? :) DG> In short, there are three worthy and terribly shy candidates - you, DG> Larkov and Palenock... Than to nibble and tease each other, spend your time DG> indeed elections are finally here. The rules were thrown here, what else is needed? no one was teasing anyone, by the way. Best regards, Artem

Greetings, Eugene! July 03, 2000 (it was 17:14 then) Eugene Palenock in his letter to Dmitry Grigoryev wrote: DG>> And a week ago I didn’t see you anywhere... EP> And the soap packets from it have not been mixed at all for the last few days EP> nothing and nothing... I have a strong suspicion that they are fighting somewhere along the way. I have this tracker has been working for quite a long time, has already processed about 50 meters of mail - no complaints yet it was. Let's see, now I'm checking every package in your direction that lies in outbound. EP> I wonder what VK will write now?... :) Best regards, Artem

Hi Eugene! 06/30/2000 at 17:16 Eugene Palenock wrote to Vladimir Klymus: VK>> Eh? If I need NC Moscow, then where should I write? To the village VK>> grandfather? EP> N95C, as I understand it, is purely theoretically NC... So I was going to write to him “purely theoretically”. :) VK>> Let's choose ZC, and let him assign or maintain the node list. EP> Well, what's stopping you from choosing ZC? Lack of RO and VO. VK>> Yes-ah-ah... But what about “proving the need for a pvt node in the network”? EP> Who should I prove it to? NC ? R.C. EP> So he’s in Moscow - you can’t go far with $nn EP> necessary ;) I see. I read R50.SYSOP here. I thought a lot... :) WBR, Vladimir. *AKA*

Hi, Dmitry! 06/30/2000 at 18:17 Dmitry Grigoryev wrote to Artem O. Kozakov: AK>> I :) DG> a. I have no more questions :) As well as opinions, however. It's like you're not a member of the network. Nobody asked your opinion. DG> No, I mean that DG> it is necessary to introduce candidates or be introduced by them. Here you go DG> example, Vladimir Larkov - everyone knows it, it’s clear that he can handle the role DG> ZC. This is the first time I've heard about this. About his actions as NC/ZC - too. DG> Eugene Palenock - already done it, restored the network Imagine, Artem copes with the other part of the network with no less success. DG> nodelists leads. There was so much talk... And the node list still contains 26 errors. DG> And a week ago I didn’t see you anywhere... Buy glasses, my friend. .) DG> In short, there are three worthy and terribly shy candidates - you, DG> Larkov and Palenock... Than to nibble and tease each other, spend your time DG> indeed elections are finally here. The rules were thrown here, what else is needed? You need RO and VO. Let TempZC appoint them. WBR, Vladimir. *AKA*

Hello, Vladimir! Wednesday 05 July 2000 19:24, Vladimir Klymus (500:322/67@ZXNet) wrote to Dmitry Grigoryev: DG>> a. I have no more questions :) As well as opinions, however. VK> It’s like you’re not a member of the network. Nobody asked your opinion. And it’s as if I’m not going to ask anyone, tell me their opinion or no. You will choose, I just need to chat about this topic properly :) So Now, continuing the small talk, I’ll note that your patronage is rather detrimental the candidate will go after your nationalistic talk... I wouldn’t like to his place to be... DG>> No, I mean that it is necessary to introduce the candidates or themselves DG>> introduce yourself. For example, Vladimir Larkov is known to everyone DG>> it is clear that he will cope in the role of ZC. VK> This is the first time I've heard of this. About his actions as NC/ZC - too. Ask around in St. Petersburg - the first largest region of the Network. DG>> Eugene Palenock - already done it, restored the network VK> Imagine, Artem copes with the other part of the network no less VK> success. How many members are there in that part of the network? 10? 15? What about the node? DG>> nodelists leads. VK> There was so much talk... And the node list still contains 26 errors. Were there alternative options? And anyone can count mistakes in someone else’s work... Best regards, Dmitry (OLDMAN). 2:5020/689.31@FidoNet oldman@i-connect.ru [ZX]

Hello, Vladimir! 22 Jul 00 05:19, Vladimir Klymus -> Dmitry Grigoryev: DG>> Ask around in St. Petersburg - the first largest region of the Network. VK> Seriously? Well, where are all these crowds of networkers? Seven people. Actually there are 13 knots... VK> Hmm. Nodlist is a document. Rules for compiling this document VK> are specified in another document - FTS-0005. What is this ZC that VK> cannot read one document and create another based on it? Where is our Policy to be guided by FTS? What about ZMH? And by the way, who do we have as ZC now? VK> WBR, Vladimir. Best regards, Evgeniy.

Hi Eugene! 07/24/2000 at 22:42 Eugene Palenock wrote to Vladimir Klymus: VK>> Seriously? Well, where are all these crowds of networkers? Seven people. EP> In general there are 13 nodes... How many are actually working? VK>> Hmm. Nodlist is a document. Rules for compiling this document VK>> are specified in another document - FTS-0005. What is this ZC that VK>> cannot read one document and create another based on it? EP> Where is our Policy to be guided by FTS? I don’t know where you have it, but we successfully received it this Monday. And there is a link to the technical standards of the FidoNet network. In paragraph 1.1. EP> And ZMH? In our network, the concept of ZMH (NMH) does not exist. The only requirement for the node is receive and send correspondence. By the way, does ZMH help you a lot in Fido? Today it is not needed at all. Unless as a reason to remove a node from the nodelist. EP> And by the way, who do we have as ZC now? Did you mean TempZC? And to whom did Alex verbally delegate authority? And whose name is in the line Zone,500,...? What will DG say about this? :) By the way, why do you ignore all the questions regarding the elections? Or maybe it would be better if Alex assigned RO/VO? Like the outgoing ZC.WBR, Vladimir. /_500:322/67@ZXNet_/ /_2:462/167@FidoNet_/ /_rashpil@aport.ru_/