Thoughts out loud...
ZXNet echo conference «zx.talking»
From Stanislav Udin → To All 1 December 1999
Hello, All!
Do you think it is possible to interest today
an outsider not related to the Spectrum, a person
Spectrum games? Is it possible to attract attention
an outsider to the Spectrum as a Computer, and not as
toy? Is it possible to film and show a television program about
Spectrum? Is it possible to publish in periodicals?
publications materials about the Spectrum? Is it possible to organize
Spectrum club indoors, with installed there
computers? I will answer you with complete confidence that all these
questions can be answered positively, as I am with my
like-minded people on all these points achieved positive
results. Continue with my questions. Do you think there are many
Are there any Spectrum fans left today? Are all of them
has access to the Internet, Fido or ZXNet? Are there people who are up to
They still use cassette versions of the Spectrum from 48
kilobytes of memory? Have all spectrists heard of this?
phenomenon like the electronic press? So, Spectrum users
there is still plenty, and not all of them use networks, not
all have Spectrum disk models with 128 kilobytes of memory and
Moreover, not everyone reads electronic publications. You'll see how
Communication is now taking place in Spectrum circles. Itlimited by network!!! It is in it that communication takes place, it is in
her people upload their latest developments and get the same
the most from other inhabitants of the network? That's where everything revolves
electronic press, it is the inhabitants of the network who consider themselves the “Scene”.
Of course, I don’t deny the existence of floppinet, but still: You know
Dmitry Pyankov (Hello Dima!)? This is the person who
wrote excellent compressors for the Spectrum Hrum and Hrust. Before
he wasn't online recently, he just didn't know how to
get there. And Vyacheslav Skutin, aka Nemo, is not officially
recognizing networks and not without reason. These people brought a lot
more useful than many of those engaged in discussion
alcoholic drinks in the echo of SPBZXNET.DRINK and consider themselves
true spectromists and real stagers, nevertheless
sitting at the PC.
Who is online? Mainly virtuals that
The Spectrum is interesting as a phenomenon or nostalgia, and not as
the computer on which they do all their computer work.
No, I'm not talking about everyone. Of course there are a lot of people
who use exclusively real Spectrums, but
Such people, unfortunately, are in the minority. And how pleased I am to see on the Internet those
who has a signature at the end like "Lara Croft with a scythe 4.40
meters". I just want to say with this that from virtual workersnot enough sense for the Spectrum, but nevertheless they are still
useful, this will become clear later. Most virtual people
he uses his PC if any necessary programs are on
There is no Spectrum, he doesn’t care much, he has MS, he’ll do it
on it everything that he cannot do on the Spectrum, and often
He doesn't use the Spectrum at all. How will he act?
Spectrumist-realist, he will try to write the appropriate
program on your computer. I saw people leaving
Spectrum only because they lacked full-fledged
spreadsheets or other possible programs, but
absent on the Spectrum for one reason or another. How much
can you write endless demos? No, I'm not against them at all, but
Everyone needs to know when to stop. Of course, there are masterpieces that
you can watch it again and again, but there is a huge
number of disposable dems, but after all, there was also
A lot of work has been put in. So wouldn't it be better to write
something more useful, at least a new toy? Haven't you thought
you, that besides Moscow and St. Petersburg, there is still a huge
number of cities, villages, villages where they are still found
Spectrumists who have just mastered BASIC, who
will never buy the second part of Black Crow because theyThey just don’t know about it, being cut off from the Internet.
Yes, I swung something. I wanted to write about one thing, but I
that's how it went. So, let me continue my thought with an example. Visit us at
one woman brought her schoolboy son to the club. Play. I'm to
The guy didn’t even come up the first time, I think the man
he will look at the toys and will not come again. But he came to
next time! And not just to play, but with the great
With pleasure after my conversation with him, I sat down to type a simple
programs in BASIC, constantly making excuses that in computers
doesn't understand anything. He came the next time and the next
too. He played, typed BASIC listings and was happy. A
how happy I was when I heard the phrase from him: “And you know,
This is a good computer!" The person about the Spectrum before this is not at all
I heard! Do you think that he is the only one in our city, region,
country? There are a lot of such people!!! But if you sit at home, afraid
get your ass off the chair and write endless messages on
topic "Who and how:" even in Lara Croft, you will never
you will find these people and never show them what you are capable of
a computer with a seventeen-year history. I'll try to summarize
what I was talking about.
1. People who use or who would be ready
I still have a lot of use of the Spectrum.2. The world is not a wedge on the Internet. Is offline
most specpymists.
3. Those people who are offline are very scattered.
4. Not everyone has disk variants of the Spectrum and not everyone
read the electronic press.
Best regards, Stanislav
From Stanislav Udin → To All 1 December 1999
Hello, All!
How to unite all those who have not yet left their beloved
platform? What will help attract new people to our
platform. It seems to me that the only way out is
PERIODICAL PRINTING PUBLICATION for Spectrum. Below I am
I’ll write about my thoughts on this matter. It was not in vain that I started with
lists of our successes, with this I wanted to say that there is no
nothing is impossible. It is quite possible to publish such a publication for
Spectrum. How many times less is the number of Amiga owners?
number of Spectrum users? At two? At three? Yes for sure
many times less. So they have their own publication, and, as far as
I know, more than one. It’s quite possible to find a sponsor to start with
publishing activities. The magazine will really help survival and
development of the Spectrum. He will unite all those who are scattered
Spectrumists, because it can arrive by regular mail, for him
You don't need to have a computer at all to read. Formatovtsy referred
on the fact that supposedly the circulation will be too small. Not true! If
to establish work “on the ground” the circulation will be sufficient. Printed
The magazine will be bought by more people than electronic publications.
Personally, I would be willing to pay two, three, four times more for
printed ZX-Format, than for the same thing, but on a floppy disk (by the way
to say, I am the owner of all ZX-Format license numberssample). I'm still leafing through the complete ZX-Review file, but
I never re-read any electronic publication again. Through
printed publication, you can establish trade in author's software
software and hardware (as Inforcom did in its time).
The printed edition would be bought by the majority of emulators - and in
This is their great benefit. What can I say, with me, I think,
Everyone will agree that there is nowhere without a printed organ.
So I got an idea. Not waiting for the release of the mythical
Spectator to publish its own general printed magazine. The idea is
that first a selection of material is made. Here I am
I appeal to the publishers of all kinds of electronic newspapers and magazines.
You send interesting materials to the selected public
editor. In the end, there will be much interesting material
looks better in a printed publication than in an electronic one, and
You can sacrifice them for the sake of the common cause. Then the material
undergoes careful processing: correction of errors, style and
etc. Otherwise, sometimes it’s just unpleasant to read some articles in
electronic press, there are so many errors in them, and sometimes
There is also obscene language. After this, layout occurs
material on one of the programs on the PC (for example, in Adobe
PageMaker), you get an electronic version of the magazine, whichIt is distributed across regions via the Internet. And already there, "on
places", whoever can print the magazine, photocopy and
distributes in all available ways, naturally, covering
your expenses. This is where you can collect information about the general
circulation of the received edition. Of course, at this stage it is not worth
the question of material benefit neither to the editors, nor to the authors of articles, nor
to local performers. But perhaps in the future someone in
Moscow or St. Petersburg will still find a sponsor and come to this event
civilized look. This is exactly what we should strive for. I think
that in general terms my idea is clear. First, number one
I wanted to make such a magazine myself, but after weighing everything I realized that
Here we need to act together. Besides, I don't have the skills
work in this area and sufficient time. Let's go
Let's do this experiment!!!
In conclusion, I would like to say that all of the above is
strictly my opinion. I didn't want to offend anyone, but if someone
offended, then I apologize. The text turned out to be voluminous and
confusing, but I think everyone will understand what I wanted to say.
I wanted to write one thing, but I wrote something completely different. All the best.
P.S. I ask you with malice not to point out to me that I
I process this letter with GoldEd and send it via the Internet,
besides, this letter was completely typed in MS-Word. It's nothingdoesn't change. Now I turn off the PC and turn on my REAL Scorpio,
where will I write MY program that I need on the Spectrum, although
There is one like this on PC.
Wednesday, December 1, 1999
Best regards, Stanislav
From Sergey Zotov → To Stanislav Udin 7 December 1999
Reply-to: zs80@ssu.samara.ru
On Wed 1 Dec 1999 Stanislav Udin wrote:
[I cut everything out, because celebrating is not a noble cause!]
I read this and was amazed! I thought that I was the only one who felt sorry for those people who
sometimes they come up to us (supposedly spektrumists) at the book market and are interested
new software, and then they ask about cassette versions... Everyone is waiting for them, in
at best, the phrase: “Well, boy, you’re behind the times!” But if you offer them
(which I did more than once) buy a disk Speccy, they often say
that there is no money... :( This is quite natural. Domestic spektrumists (in
unlike the English ones, for example) have never been rich. :( That's why
(I think) it is in Russia that so many MASTERPIECES appear on Speccy! But with
on the other hand, who is steadily leading us to the death of our pet? Never
have you ever thought about it? And these are our so-called sceners!!! You try to communicate with
them on the topics of demo-making, game building, and party hosting! They think that everything
they know and can. But in reality? If in 5 minutes of conversation you are not called a lamer - you
very lucky. As for me, a certain local stager (deputy
whom I was christened on irc at #z80) regularly sends me to “get lost”,
Although he himself is not competent in many matters, he is a stager!!! Ugh! Here
It is precisely such people who lead us to the destruction of what united us! :E I don't mindall of them, but such people need to be treated! From showing off! :) For example, a certain Random
whom I have known for at least half a year, has done more for me than a certain MMA,
whom I have known for about 2 years. Random organized a party (no matter that there were a lot
preschetov) which brought together living legends (for me, for example). That's where I am
I was able to meet people I communicated with through INet. And I would never
There would have been no such opportunity if it weren’t for Random with his crazy idea!!! But what is
result! I will remember this trip to St. Petersburg until the end of my days. What
did Arty there? He just crawled onto the stage and bent his fingers!! Maybe something else, but I
didn't see this. :( So! People like Stas, Seva, Vladimir Balchekey and
other organizers who really do something in every possible way
support!!! By the way, what will happen to FunTop or not? :)
Well, something took me in the wrong direction... Now I’ll run into someone else. And time
It’s already half past four in the morning, and I have to drag myself to lecture at half past eight... Maybe I
got so excited that you missed your computer in 2 weeks? I CAN'T WITHOUT HIM
LIVE!!!
P.S. There is not a drop of irony, sarcasm or mockery in everything I wrote! I
I really think so!
P.P.S. Stas, Speccy needs people like you! I envy you because I don't
I can do in my entire life what you did in such a short time!!!
e-mail: zs80@ssu.samara.ru ~/ <~ http://www.zx.ru/zs/ZXNet: 500:8462/1 /_ _> ftp://zx-museum.org.ru/zs/
From Alex Letaev → To Roman Alexandrov 23 December 1999
Hello Roman Alexandrov! In a message of 22 Dec 99 Roman Alexandrov wrote to
Alexey Ivanov:
RA> naturally they like Meadow: it brought order, cleaned the city and
Yes, the only question is what order, and for whom is Moscow now? Not for pensioners
that's for sure.
RA> repaired (which is generally not difficult in a city that has accumulated 80%
RA> finances of the country), chases away non-residents, squeezes filthy Khachiks....
Regarding the latter, who do you think built that same food syndicate?
They belittle - a loose concept, but my passport is constantly being upgraded
check, and rip off the money if the latter is not there, it got to the point
that they just said something indirectly. Once in front of me they picked on a guy
and a girl about 16 years old who, well, they probably thought they had caught the cool terrorists,
I was then released (they kept me in the metro for 30 minutes, even though I had my passport,
but the photo was not pasted in a timely manner, like it’s not clear what I’m on
old photograph) when I said straight out that there is no money, but it will be visible for a long time
they got it, they ended up without a passport at all. This was before the explosions, and
this did not stop two houses from being blown up. and the documents are usually in the subway
check, like cool bandits and terrorists ride the subway and RDX in
they carry suitcases. :-) Laughter through tears in general.
Best regards, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.>E-MAIL: asder_ffc@softhome.net ICQ: #13064553
From Vladimir Larkov → To Alex Letaev 24 December 1999
Hello, Alex!
Thu 23-Dec-1999 08:46, you (2:5020/689.53) wrote a letter to Dmitry Grigoryev:
AL> And for the right elections of the government, it prepared a gift for the people
AL> new year, the phone price has doubled for starters.
God, how much are you paying for it now, at most 30 rubles? We are from May to 50.
And we don't buzz.
And in the metro you have a complete freebie: MIC left a Moscow travel card as a souvenir (for
month - 54 rubles, KAN0, like an elite person, such expensive ones;) travel cards are not
he uses it for 36 rubles). I suffered for a long time about the fact that we are over 10
I spent more days on the metro than in Moscow in a month. It’s strange that Luzhkov is still
did not order to issue KAN0 a personal travel card, rubles for 10. per year. ;)
With best wishes, Vladimir.