Window interfaces on Spectrum
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Hello, All
Since window interfaces appeared on large computers,
Spectrumists began to copy them in their programs. I suggest in this thread
Post screenshots of different window interfaces. Firstly, some people will
I’m just curious to look at these creations, secondly, someone will be able to do this
give you useful ideas...
So here are my four screenshots for starters:
1. Copying the Workbench interface from the Amiga from the intro to Miracle 3 magazine.
2. ZX-Windows system.
3. Screen Manager program by Sergey Hanzis.
4. ZX-Navigator system.
File: mir.png http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=2364
File: zx-win.png http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=2365
File: scrman.png http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=2366
File: ZXNAV1_3.png http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=2367
Hello, SAM style
"Emulator" PC with Windows 3.1 (Emulate.B)
File: Win31.png http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=2373
Hello, CityAceE
Cit> I suggest posting screenshots of different windows in this thread
Cit> interfaces.
Great idea! Here is the VQ3 editor executed on my GUI
File: scr.gif http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=2369
File: scr2.gif http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=2370
Hello, CityAceE
Spriter 1.666 from Studio Stall.
File: spred.gif http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=2374
Hello, Wlodek
I also produced programs with their own window interface. Below
screenshots of the latest of them are presented: Grand's Screen Viewer, where used
"Sinclair" font, and Grand's Boot - with a 4x8 font. The programs themselves can
get it from here: http://zxfiles.raww.net/orders/gsv.zip.
File: Gsv.gif http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=2430
File: Gboot.png http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=2431
Hello, CityAceE
Windows System Domain OS Pink Floyd (mid 1990s):
File: Domen.png http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=2490
Hello Grand
We also need to remember the domestic founders of the window interface - Nicolas
Rodionov, and his DCU program is still relevant to this day.
File: Dcu.png http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=2491
Hello Grand
Where can I download ZX-WIN? I want to look at this miracle.
:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
Hello Grand
Gra> We need to remember the domestic founders of the window interface
Gra> - Nicolas Rodionov,
the founder was Pete Cooke, everything was ripped off from him
Hello, goodboy
Can you give a specific link?
Hello, goodboy
goo> the founder was Pete Cooke, everything was ripped off from him
I know this. But I don’t think that Nicolas Rodionov brought anything of his own;
That’s why I consider him a domestic founder.
Here is a screenshot of another of his programs:
File: Boot.png http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=2523
Hello, DR ZX
DRZ> Where can I download ZX-WIN? I want to look at this miracle.
DRZ> :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
Well, for example, ZX-Windows v1.6 can be downloaded here:
http://zxfiles.raww.net/system/zxwin.zip
Hello, Maksagor
Maxagor
thanks for the link! :) :) :) :)
Hello, DR ZX
And where from magazines and newspapers?
Hello Grand
There are programs on the Spectrum in which the graphical window interface simulates
iBM platform text mode: for example, TR-DOS Navigator, written by CityAceE and
others.
P.S. Those interested can discuss the new version of TR-DOS Navigator on our Forum:
http://www.zx.pk.ru/showthread.php?t=2952
File: trdn.png http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=3123
Hello, breeze
One of the most beautiful window interfaces ever created on the ZX
Spectrum; V; E-Mage Workstation program.
Picture: http://mix.wol.bz/screens/ews1.png
Picture: http://mix.wol.bz/screens/ews2.png
Hello Grand
Gra> One of the most beautiful window interfaces ever created on
Gra> ZX Spectrum; V; E-Mage Workstation program.
hehe :eek; A; if you look closely, at least at the same frames... then
then you can see the wonderful kipileft doors'95... :mad:
Hello, breeze
bre> hehe :eek; A; if you look closely, at least at the same
bre> frames... then you can see the wonderful kipyleft doors'95...
bre> :mad;
Judging; The frames are ripped off from Win 3.1.
Hello icebear
Isn’t it possible to immediately attach or post links? I want to download a lot, but I can’t
:mad; :mad:; :mad; A; here, not a single file opens:
http://zxfiles.raww.net/
Hello Grand
Sort of a concept.
File: VTRD.gif http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=3618
File: VTRD_CAT.gif http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=3619
File: VTRD_CON.gif http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=3620
File: VTRD_MENU.gif http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=3621
Hello icebear
ice> Judging by the frames, it was ripped off from Win 3.1.
You can immediately see that he has a good eye :D in 10k :rolleyes;
Yes; the idea was taken from there - in 1995 (the 95 was just appearing) I saw
a friend of mine on 486 pussy - and really wanted to implement it on zx :)
but overall the interface has improved over time....
Gra> Doors is also one of the most beautiful window interfaces ever
Gra> created on Spectrum.
thank you for the recognition ;) I hope I will finish this miracle someday :(
because the further you go, the more difficult it becomes.... :confused:
Hello, breeze
bre> thanks for the recognition ;) I hope I’ll finish this someday
bre> miracle :( because, the further you go, the more difficult it becomes.... :confused;
Judging; according to the long history of writing "Dorza", you succeed very quickly
create an interface, but the system itself starts to slow down. From here
proposal for a compromise development: take an existing OS and screw it on
it has its own interface (I’m transparently hinting at TASiS/iS-DOS - it’s quite
possibly in the form of adding a new kernel layer).
Hello, Maksagor
> take an existing OS and attach your interface to it
By the way, yes! Why not attach a graphical interface to IS-DOS? Them
more if possible! Since it so happened that this particular system after
TR-DOS has become the most widespread...
Hello, CityAceE
Cit> By the way, yes! Why not attach a graphical interface to IS-DOS?
Cit> Especially if it is possible! Since it so happened that this particular one
Cit> the system after TR-DOS became most widespread...
That would be a mighty move!
Hello, CityAceE
iS-DOS is 10 kilobytes for programs.
iS-DOS with GUI is 1 kilobyte for programs.
Hello, captain cobalt
cap> iS-DOS is 10 kilobytes for programs.
cap> iS-DOS with GUI is 1 kilobyte for programs.
Don't consider others lamer. I know exactly what I'm talking about. This is real
done at all, and can be made usable.
iS-DOS Classic is up to 12-15 KB of continuous space for programs.
iS-DOS Chic - up to 25-30 KB
TASiS - up to 30-37 KB.
Well, what's wrong with that? We are talking, firstly, about the continuous memory of the address
space, and secondly, for the vast majority of programs under iS-DOS
(i.e. written not by themselves, but under the system) even in the “classics” of this
There is enough memory in abundance (if you don’t go overboard with the number of installed
residents), because 2/3 of what is necessary for any
serious program for TR-DOS (flop control, text printing and drawing
windows, keyboard driver, etc.) are already in the system itself and all this is just needed
call through restarts. Thus, more than half of all work is ordinary
iS programs prepare data for restarts and call them. Hence
miniature sizes of the programs themselves. And even more so, they have enough space in Chic and TASiS.
Well, thirdly, adding a GUI level to the system will not lead to a reduction in
free space up to 1Kb and in general to its significant reduction. Or youDo you really think other ZX programmers are so crooked and clumsy in their thinking?
Here, for example, is OS TASiS; By; structure of the address space it is practically
no different from Chic. So where did the increase in continuous come from?
About eight more kilobytes of memory space for programs? And very
simple: firstly, the flop driver was rewritten. Now he directly addresses
VG93 (in ATM-2 this is possible, who doesn’t know) and does not use system variables
TR-DOS in general. Secondly, it was decided to abandon the regular use
screen in the fifth page of RAM. Alternate screen is now used
page 7 (and 3 for ATM graphics). The drivers were rewritten accordingly
screen prints and window restarts. The print driver now sends control
subroutine in an unchangeable part of the OS kernel (which lies in page 0 from zero
addresses), and it turns on page 7 or 3 and displays print characters there. B
As a result, the memory space from 16384 to 23999 was completely freed and became
available for user programs (previously it was only possible to use
separate areas - for example, the printer buffer). Accordingly, if the minimum
The starting address of programs used to be 24000 (at worst - 23900), but now -
16384. In short, the screen area is excluded from the address space and “exiled”
into pages.So, a similar principle can be applied in the case of GUI;
"sewn on"; to the core, the new level will contain only entry points and
procedures for calling the body of GUI restarts, whose main code will sit in
pages. Thus, the main address space will be "bitten"
no more than 2-3Kb. Which is not scary even for Classic (although I don't assume GUI for
this version of iS-DOS), not to mention Chic and TASiS.