Packages for creating 3D graphics on the Spectrum
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Hello, EARL
1. Vu 3d
2. Editor from Rage, used to create Awaken (I don’t remember the name)
I believe that there is no need to create a 3D editor. If you need something
quickly model, it’s easier to do it in 3ds max and convert it to spec, in
required format.
Another thing, some universal and open 3D engine could be useful
for creating demos and games.
This is my opinion.
Hello Vitamin
Vit> 3. There was also some kind of program for creating locations a la TotalEclipse
3D Construction Kit editor
Hello, EARL
1. VU3d - an old package half on bass to create static and not much
complex animation
2. 3DCool - you’ll figure it out without half a liter of horseradish :)
3. There was also some kind of program for creating locations a la TotalEclipse
Hello, All
I recently started developing 3D applications without using any
graphic libraries (OpenGL, DirectX), that is, in other words, development
own library, in which calculations are performed on the CPU. Almost everything
heard about 3D Studio MAX, so the idea was born to implement something
similar on the Spectrum, but does anyone need it? And so as not to waste
I'm wasting my time and would like to know the following:
1. Do they already exist?
2. If so, what (names)
3. To what extent do they justify themselves (can they be used for something
serious)
4. Are they needed on the Spectrum at all?
Hello, EARL
1. Yes. Even two.
2. a. 3D editor like 3D studio. With an unpronounceable name like UV3D or
something like that.
b.Editor of 3D games like Total Eclipse. It's called, I think, "3d games editor"
Everything is on VOS.
3. a. It's impossible. There is very simplified modeling - it seems like lofting the sections. Mona
make several sections. No animation. Renders to single-bit dither
pictures, in several options - you can even use fills and shadows (not
falling :)
b. Well, it’s probably possible to make games like Total Eclipse. But I didn’t understand.
4. As a fact, it would be very interesting! I would definitely buy it for my collection.
However, there are practically no difficulties in modeling and rendering in PC.
prog, and convert. Although, the conversion process is tiring;)
Hello Surfin' Bird
In general, I realized that there is no point in doing something like this on spec, because
You can always draw in 3D Studio Max and then convert!
Hello, EARL
EAR> In general, I realized that there is no point in doing something like this on spec
EAR> because you can always draw in 3D Studio Max, and then
EAR> convert!
no offense, but this is the reality...
Hello, EARL
in fact - not a fact. Speck has his own requests, and specials. editor,
focused purely on their satisfaction will certainly be in demand.
I would start by asking well-known demomakers what they need
I would like to see in this kind of program, and do a survey or create
a thread on the forum is ineffective, because everyone is lazy, but, as practice shows,
It is much more thoughtful to approach the person personally with such a question.
Hello, moroz1999
A full-fledged 3D editor with shadows, fills and other crap is more than replaced
3D studio on PC - much less development time will be required.
But a vector editor wouldn’t hurt - there would be fewer resources, and more useful - because
converted wireframe models look really bad
Hello Vitamin
> But a vector editor would be nice - there are fewer resources, and
> more useful - because the converted wireframe models look really bad
I don’t want to promise anything yet, but maybe I’ll start developing it in that case
namely a vector editor. If anyone has any suggestions or thoughts on
on this matter, I will be glad to listen to them and take them into account.
Hello, EARL
EAR> If anyone has any suggestions or thoughts on this, then
EAR> I will be glad to listen to them and take them into account.
Well, what kind of proposal can you make here as in 3D max...
In the real-time preview, cropped calculations...
And in full rendering, full calculation with floating point, etc.
Hello Firestarter
Ready to share mathematical and graphical procedures :)
Hello elf
elf> I believe that there is no need to create a 3D editor. If necessary
elf> quickly model something, it’s easier to do it in 3ds max and
elf> convert to spec, to the required format.
elf>
elf> Another thing, some universal and open 3D engine could
elf> useful for creating demos and games.
+1
Vit> But a vector editor would not hurt - there are fewer resources, and
Vit> is more useful, because the converted wireframe models look really bad
You really need a wind. both 3D and 2D. and to it source/lib
for use in your software
Hello, Witch Doctor
> you absolutely need a wind. both 3D and 2D. and to it source/lib
> for use in your software
I understand that you need a vector editor to work in both 2D and 3D?
> Ready to share mathematical and graphical procedures
Thank you, I think they will be useful, but not now. First I'm thinking of releasing
trial version on PC, and when it receives general approval, it will be possible
translate to spec!
Hello, EARL
> Recently started developing 3D applications without using
> any graphics libraries (OpenGL, DirectX), that is, others
> in words by developing your own library, the calculations in which
> are produced on the CPU. Almost everyone has heard about 3D Studio MAX, so
> I had the idea to implement something similar on the Spectrum
>
> First I'm thinking of releasing a trial version on PC, and when will it be available
> general approval, then it will be possible to transfer to spec!
At first I thought about some very harsh joke, but then I looked at the age
author and everything fell into place :)
Pleased! Walk away! Developer! :)
Hello, ayGROUP
ayG> At first I thought about some very tough joke, but then I looked
ayG> author's age and everything fell into place :)
ayG> Pleased! Walk away! Developer! :)
Shut your mouth and don’t let people work... otherwise you’ll find yourself here...
fucking grown up... do something now instead of screaming like a pig
uncut...
Hello, rasmer
rasmer, there is no reason to be rude! if a person is adequate, he will perceive this as
joke. and you make it worse yourself.
Hello bugsy
bug> rasmer, there is no reason to be rude! if a person is adequate, then he will perceive
bug> it's like a joke. and you make it worse yourself.
Well, yes, of course... a person wants to work for the benefit of the Spectrum and on it
they make fun of me... and what is it that the author is not 80 years old.... this means that you can
laugh and mock with his ideas?
Hello Vitamin
vitamin - that's right. it is not clear why healthy irony caused such
reaction (for example, in size)? on the contrary, the author can have healthy passion
appear - like, oh, impossible? Well, I'll show you in a minute :)
Hello Vitamin
vitamin - well, what’s the point? you admit the possibility of writing something,
at least from afar reminiscent of 3dsmax on the Spectrum? and at the same time your “top”
hemispheres included? (what are “lower ones”, btw?)
Hello, rasmer
rasmer is a cretin. kill your ap video card for spec! rotfl :) what else
What about the idea of writing your own 3D engine, and at the same time also a 3D editor?
and then such proglamers come and generate such code that even Indians cannot
dreamed :) or experts like this size - I’m supposedly a computer specialist,
I’ll write this to you on ASMA right now! Why, Windows is garbage, let’s write the axis at the same time,
and port it to spec.
lamers.
Hello, ayGROUP
ayG> but how else should you feel about the ideas of writing your own 3D engine, and at the same time also
ayG> 3D editor ?
So what? I also had the idea to write my own 3D engine (in PC, really). The result
became a fully studied C++.
So turn on your upper hemispheres and get to the point.
Hello, ayGROUP
It all depends on what the goal is.
The concept of “remoteness” is also very, very relative.
3dsmax is far from the only 3D modeling program...
If a person wants to try, let him try, there is no need to interfere with him. Ultimate
The result is sometimes not as important as the intermediate one. Let him think better
I can’t do this because I’ve already tried,” and not “I can’t do this.”
It will work out because they told me not to try." Can you hear the difference?
On topic. If you focus on vector models, then you can very, very well
things are moving forward IMHO...
Hello, ayGROUP
Because people are different. Someone will be encouraged, and someone will say “ah
You're being ironic, well then go to hell!"...
Hello Vitamin
Well, how are you doing? A vector editor, even without 3D, would be very helpful. What if
There will still be animation implemented in a human-like manner (ala Flash) and it will finally be a fairy tale.
Hello, ayGROUP
ayG> vitamin - that's right. It’s not clear why healthy irony caused
ayG> such a reaction (for example, in size)? on the contrary, the author is healthy
ayG> excitement can appear - like, oh, impossible? Well, I'll show you in a minute :)
I propose to cut off such “healthy irony”. moderators?
Hello, G.D.
GD> So how are you doing? A vector editor, even without 3D, would be very bad
GD> interfered. And if there is still animation implemented there in a human way (ala
GD> Flash) finally it will be a fairy tale.
That's it! And you can do it without any bells and whistles - because in this area there is NOTHING competing
(I don’t remember anything at all)
Hello, Witch Doctor
Or maybe a package of normal converters from .svg and .max files would be better? I have
There are primitive developments in this regard.
Hello elf
ayG> At first I thought about some very tough joke, but then I looked
ayG> author's age and everything fell into place
ayG> Pleased! Walk away! Developer!
Then answer, what did you do?
ayG> on the contrary, the author may develop a healthy passion - like, ah,
ayG> impossible ?
Well, yes... But now I have no time to prove to you that this is real!
Vit>
ayG> how else should you feel about the ideas of writing your own 3D engine
ayG> Vit> and at the same time also a 3D editor?
ayG>
ayG> So what? I also had the idea to write my own 3D engine (in PC, really).
ayG> The result was a completely studied C++.
In a similar situation, I learned C++ when I had to deal with strangers
sources. And I already have an engine (for PC), which I wrote as
laboratory work on "computer graphics". During development I used C++ and
WinAPI (plus ddraw, for quickly drawing buffers to the screen).
Vit> If a person wants to try, let him try, there is no need to interfere with him.
Vit> The final result is sometimes not as important as the intermediate one.
I completely agree! The greatest experience can only be gained through practice.P.S. Now, at the same time, I’m building a new version of my engine, because I’ve gained experience
when developing the first one. In general, I will use my work for the PC version!
P.P.S. If you do nothing, then “nothing will fall on top”!