Soccer managers!
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Hello Lennon
ESLM - European Super League Manager. As far as I remember, this is a clone of MPSM, only
with other teams/players, but I don’t remember better games in this genre.
Hello, All
I would like to discuss games of this genre. Especially two games:
Advanced Soccer Simulator and Multi Player Soccer Manager.
It would be interesting to read about other games of this level. Rummaging through
I found a lot of different managers for the Spectrum on the Internet, but the first one
Look, they are all significantly inferior to these two. Maybe I'm just not there anymore
able to evaluate the Spectrum game from the height of current progress and from the old
I remember loving the two games above (correct me if this is not the case).
However, I am almost sure that these two games, like the famous ELITE, in their
genre are unsurpassed, especially in terms of gameplay. Today there is
many options on PC but not one of them has this classic
organized match animation, which reflects the most important aspects of football
from a coach's point of view, as in ASS. Likewise, MPSM is unsurpassed in speed.
passing seasons, and the content and essence of the game does not suffer from this. And also
which is definitely not in any of the new games and many old ones (even on the Spectrum) -
This is an atmosphere that makes the player’s imagination work as much as possible. Neither
every game with backward graphics, even in those distant 80s and 90s, could promote
imagination. It's a shame that modern games have completely lost this property.
although maybe we're just growing up...
Always yours Lennon.
Hello diver
Thanks, I’ll look on the Internet right now, maybe I’ll find it and see what the fuss is about.
You’re answering something lamely, is it because we don’t like football?
Hello Lennon
no that's not it...
There's plenty of this on PC!
Hello Lennon
here is from my soap (I hope the author will forgive =):
> еы> Hello! I searched online for ESLM. I couldn't find it. I read that you are her
> еы> translated. Can you tell me where to get it online? or if you
> ee> saved, can you send it? Thank you in advance.
>
> the fact is that ESLM is MPSM translated into Russian with European ones
> teams (circa 1993), incl. Russians. It wasn’t me who translated it, but someone else
> presumably from Izhevsk - I had it on cassette, then I made it
> somewhat crooked but quite working and playable trdos version.
> I'll send it a little later, it was on the screw somewhere.
I'll post it here if needed
Hello Lennon
Hurray I remembered another good manager...
Super League
This is the very first manager I played! Very cool, then I was MP
Soccer, and when the floppy disk with MPS went bad, I dug it up in my big one for
ASS archive...
Hurray :)!
Hello Lennon
Kenny Daglish Soccer
This one made an impression...
Thank you!
Hello, kyv_triumph
kyv> Not the best games of this genre on the ZX.
kyv> The Double and Tracksuit Manager - the best ....
I took a quick look and I'm afraid to disagree!
The poor design immediately caught my eye; they are definitely inferior in this component
MP Soccer and ASS.
They certainly win in terms of the fullness of football nuances, but it seems to me that
that on the Spectrum the best is the enemy of the good... It is precisely the oversaturation of settings and
games of this genre suffer on PS, and the two you presented are precisely for this reason
the paths have gone.
Of course, I would add something to MPSS and ASS, but not much... And more is needed
to formulate what I would like to see additionally in these games...
Hello diver
div> As they say: checkers or go? ESLM forever ;)
You can do both without bread...
There’s nothing wrong with Manchester, I liked it!
Hello Lennon
len> I would like to discuss games of this genre. Especially two games:
len> Advanced Soccer Simulator and Multy Player Soccer Manager.
len> It would be interesting to read about other games of this level.
len> Having scoured the Internet, I found a lot of all sorts of managers for Spectrum
len> however, at first glance, they are all significantly inferior to these two.
len> Perhaps I’m simply no longer able to appreciate the Spectrum game with
len> heights of current progress and, from old memory, in love with those given
len> there are two games above (correct me if this is wrong). However, I almost
len> I am sure that these two games, like the famous ELITE, are not in their genre
len> are surpassed, especially in gameplay.
len> Always your lennon.
Not the best games of this genre on the ZX.
The Double and Tracksuit Manager - the best....
Hello Lennon
len> I looked briefly, I'm afraid to disagree!
len> The poor design immediately caught my eye, in this component they
len> are definitely inferior to MP Soccer and ASS.
len> In terms of fullness of football nuances, they certainly win, but to me
len> it seems that on the Spectrum the best is the enemy of the good... Precisely oversaturation
len> settings and games of a similar genre on the PS suffer, and the two presented
len> you took exactly this path.
len> Of course, I would add something to MPSS and ASS, but not much... And more is needed
len> formulate what I would like to see additionally in these games...
MP Soccer - if you play for a long time, complete nonsense begins - players from
lower divisions acquire unreasonably high ratings, transfer
the politics are not thought out at all, and the game itself is too simple. Enough
strengthen the middle line and victory is guaranteed.
ASS is a huge plus - statistics of achievements of all teams, the rest is so-so.
In the same Double, everything is thought out to the smallest detail and this is by no means a minus. Of course in terms of
The graphic design of the game is inferior to the above-mentioned games (it’s not there at all
:), but in terms of realism it’s a leader (like Tracksuit Manager)PS: a long time ago I already sculpted a review of games of this genre, if anyone is interested -
http://trd.speccy.cz/press/psychoz/PSY_17.ZIP
Hello Lennon
If you need a good design, then this is Manchester United and Kenny Daglish Soccer
Manager. As they say: do you want checkers or go? ESLM forever ;)
Hello Lennon
I'll have to answer ;)
Let's take a closer look at The Double since I played it the most and
I think I know a lot about him :)
What the hell is the element of randomness if, for example, I start a game - I do one and
same movements and can get completely different results. Position in the table in
at the beginning of the championship, everyone has the same one and it cannot influence the result. Also
situation, for example with strong clubs, I can play the FIRST match in the championship for a very
strong club win 5:0, and then start the game next time and choose that one
the same club lost 0:5 in the FIRST match. What the hell is the case. No, I understand that
an element of chance must be present, but not to the same degree. At the same time
If I lose the first few matches, then I will lose the entire championship,
regardless of the level of players. Then the question is, why do I need cool ones?
players when they won’t be of any use anyway. And vice versa with a crap composition
I can lead the team. IMHO this doesn’t happen, again I take it into account
incomprehensible principle for issuing results. And I don’t need to draw analogies with
real football - after all, this is a game that simulates the work of a football
manager and nothing more.
By the way, this reminded me a little of the situation with the first civilization when I could
settlers to take out almost any combat unit - it was only necessarywill be shipped before trying - after a few times it worked reliably
;) ;) ;)
Hmm, I feel like you’ll make me sit down with The Double again.
By the way, here’s something else - I remember there was another manager - though not
football and sort of like rugby. It seemed like it was nothing at all.
Hello, scl^mc
scl> however, this is not always the case in reality. very often in
scl> European championships, a clear outsider in the league at the end of the season
scl> takes away points from the clubs fighting for first place
This happens a lot at MPS! how much I played, the most difficult teams for
the leaders are those who are chasing them and outsiders... They play with the weak,
bad because of lack of setup!
What's good about MPS and ASS is that it implements a lot in algorithms, although
the settings are minimal and this is understood only by those who really understand
football stuff! The most important thing is that these seemingly non-customizable things
you can influence! For example, lack of adjustment can be treated by putting players on the bench
substitutes, although at first glance it seems, why put players at a lower level?
However, you need to be careful about this; all replacements must be spot-on, otherwise
Team play breaks down!
The coolest thing about Spectrum games is the fantasy that starts to work!
It's about the same as watching a movie or reading a book... There's a lot on PS
settings, attention is scattered, completely different resources are affected there
brain! Attention, memory, etc. And in specrum managers like me
wrote above, the brain works on imagination and logic, that is, both hemispheres
turn on!
ZX-SPECTRUM - don't let your brain get stiff!!!
Hello Dimon
Dim> And the results of the matches themselves, in my opinion, are added up according to the reelette principle
Dim> - try to play the same match twice by starting the game
Dim> again - and you can see the exact opposite result.
This refers to the element of surprise, which fuels interest in the game.
after all, it is enough for one of the leading players of your team to get injured in
early in the game and everything goes wrong. or vice versa, early removal in the team
the opponent will give an additional advantage to your team.
another thing is that it should be done normally. this is not a situation for you when
you are replaying the same match for the *nth time, and the score on the scoreboard is the same,
the same players scored the goals and the same players caught the cards.
Unfortunately, out of all the football managers on the Spectrum, not a single one hooked me
for a long time, and the fact is that on PC there is a standard of the genre - uefa manager 2000 :)
Hello Lennon
kyv> The result is also influenced by the team’s tournament position in the championship.
len> that's right! and it’s very strong and it’s realistic...
however, this is not always the case in reality. very often in European
championships, the obvious outsider of the league at the end of the season takes points from the leaders
fight for the first place of clubs, and in national cups a club from the 2-3 division
(or even a conference in England) is capable of not only showing a decent game with
stronger and more eminent opponent, but even to ruin hopes for the cup
to some Premier League giant.
Football in general is such an unpredictable thing that it is impossible to create an accurate model of it.
seems possible. but it is quite possible to try to get closer to this.
:)
Hello Lennon
there is also a 1st division manager, but there is a glitch with the degradation of football players (not
they train for nothing :)) I can also recommend zx football manager 2005 from
triumph game lab, you can ask kyv :)
Hello Lennon
I like professional soccer
ASS is intriguing at first, but something doesn’t bother me to play on a difficult level,
No matter how hard I try, they still press me. and I don’t feel any logic in it at all.
and Professional Soccer is more intelligent, in my opinion
Hello seventh
People, please share who has this wonderful game "The Double"
or tell me where I can download it, just so you can save saves in the game
was it? Thanks in advance! The game is truly a masterpiece - one of the best football
simulators on ZX-Spectrum! :cool; For the first time; played it in 1993 with
tape recorder! :smile:
Hello, kyv_triumph
kyv> there is no normal Tr-Dos version, the one in Spectrofon 4 is clumsy
kyv> multiface version, better play the tzx version.
Yuri, isn’t this work for Triumph? ;)
Hello, SlavaKPSS
Sla> People, please share who has this wonderful game
Sla> "The Double" or tell me where I can download it, just to
Sla> was it possible to save saves in the game? Thanks in advance! Game
Sla> is truly a masterpiece - one of the best football simulators on
Sla> ZX-Spectrum! :cool; For the first time; played it in 1993 from a tape recorder!
Sla> :smile;
normal; There is no Tr-Dos version, the one in Spectrofon 4 is a clumsy multiface
version, better play the tzx version.
Hello, kyv_triumph
kyv> there is no normal Tr-Dos version, the one in Spectrofon 4 is clumsy
kyv> multiface version, better play the tzx version.
TZX option - is it for recording on a cassette or what? I just used to somehow
I created the trd image myself, but it eventually disappeared somewhere over time! Yes
there you could save as many times as you wanted on your hard drive! :smile:
Hello, kyv_triumph
Respect for the links, Yurets! A unique gift for February 23rd! :-)