Navy Moves
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Hello Titus
the third part - ArcticMoves, apparently released only for PC.
different versions of NavyMoves are here
http://www.computeremuzone.com/fichas/n/navymoves.php
Hello Titus
Tit> Why didn't they convert it :v2_cool; This; they have graphic
Tit> style is :v2_thumb;
You; wrong, the fact that they converted, that’s for sure, I looked at how it looks on
Amiga, Komodore 64 and Amstrad,
It looks like the Amiga had the original, but everything else had only eight-bit copies.
By the way, the graphics for eight bits were converted disgustingly, they didn’t even draw on them,
but simply translated it into a bitmap as it happened, while the fault of the details is simply
lost from pictures and sprites.
Hello Titus
Actually, you can compare:
File: amiga.gif http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=3078
File: C64.gif http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=3077
File: speccy.gif http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=3079
Hello, ng_dead
ng_> actually, you can compare:
Thanks ng dead, I was just about to post the same pictures :-))
At least they show what was the original, and why the game was converted,
I hope dear Titus will see that the people who made the version for Speck are simply
they threw into one bit what was most vivid in the Amiga picture, and on
the rest was simply hammered out, and nothing was even painted on. Pure trash :(
Hello Titus
I agree with Titus, I also don’t see direct conversion on Spec’s screenshots.
Hello, *Felix*
Fel> Thanks ng dead, I was just about to post the same pictures :-))
Fel> At least they show what was the original and where the game came from
Fel> converted, I hope dear Titus will see what the people did
Fel> the version for Speck was simply thrown into one bit of what was most vivid
Fel> in the Amiga picture, but they just forgot about the rest, and didn’t even do anything
Fel> were painted on. Pure hack :(
No hack work! Regular Dinamic graphics, like they did on the Spectrum.
It’s better to compare not even the 1st part but the 2nd, then everything will become clear: v2_wink2:
Hello Titus
Tit> No hack work! Regular Dinamic graphics, as they drew on
Tit> Spectrum. It’s better to compare not even the 1st part but the 2nd, then everything will become clear
Tit> clear :v2_wink2;
A; what is the second part? If we're talking about Army Moves, then this is probably the first one :) ...
There really is no envelope. Just look at the release dates
(Specchi - 86, C64 - 87, Amiga - 88)
Hello, moroz1999
The game was released on all platforms in the same year (89). I highly doubt it
that different artists were hired for 4(!) platforms. There is a suspicion that they did
a set of graphics for the Amiga (the most advanced in terms of graphics), and then
converted. And if there were improvements, then I don’t see them, to be honest. At least
At the very least, it could have been done better on spec (if we were to do it).
Hello, ng_dead
ng_> And what is the second part? If we're talking about Army Moves, then this is probably the first one :)
ng_> ...
ng_> There really is no envelope. Just look at the dates
ng_> releases (Speccy - 86, C64 - 87, Amiga - 88)
NAVY Moves - part 2 :v2_tong;
None; there was no conversion there :v2_biggr:
Hello, ng_dead
ng_> Isn’t this a screenshot from the “second part”? (Amiga screen). Do not enter
ng_> people are misled, there is no second part. This is the second "piece"
ng_> games. Due to the lack of memory in the spec. ;)
On the Amige, for some reason, the game was also divided into two parts, probably there was not enough memory,
or maybe they were worried about the nerves of the players before starting the second part
Every time we went through the first one first, to be fair. for zx it was
The 128th version has been released - there is a release from Triumph on VT.
Hello, ng_dead
ng_> It looks like the last level on all platforms was a separate piece,
ng_> which requested the code. I didn’t find the Amiga version, but in Komodorovo
ng_> everything is bullet in bullet as on the spec.
You need to read more carefully - message #10
Hello, kyv_triumph
kyv> what does Comrade Felix mean by conversion? If you look at
kyv> Navy Moves, then you can immediately notice that the graphics are quite good
kyv> design. Comrade Felix, you went beyond the first level to the first
kyv> part? If we talk about stupid conversion, then the obvious leaders of this
kyv> genre - Robocop 3 and Final Fight.
yeah, definitely a tasty conversion of RoboCop 3;
File:; robocop_3_05.gif http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=3083
File: RoboCop3.gif http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=3084
Hello, goodboy
goo> for some reason on the Amige the game was also divided into two parts, probably from memory
goo> was not enough, or maybe they were worried about the nerves of the players who before
goo> start the second part, every time you went through the first part first, whatever happened
goo> honestly. version 128 was released for zx - on VT there is a release from
goo> Triumph.
It looks like the last level on all platforms was a separate piece that
requested a code. I didn’t find the Amiga version, but in Komodorovo everything is a bullet for a bullet
on spec.
Hello Titus
Tit> NAVY Moves - part 2 :v2_tong;
Tit>; There was no conversion there :v2_biggr;
This is; Isn't this a screenshot from the "second part"? (Amiga screen). Don't lead people into
delusion, there is no second part. This is the second "piece" of the game. In view of
lack of memory in the spec. ;)
File: navy_moves_03.gif http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=3082
Hello, moroz1999
mor> if anyone tells me how to convert Amiga without processing SO
mor> clouds in Spectrum, can come to Tallinn for a box of beer.
Take an Amiga picture, load it into Photoshop, make it halftone,
turn up the contrast by about 20 percent and the brightness by 10
use the bitmap - halftone screen mode,
it won’t work, try in inversion, in principle it turns out almost the same as
in Speccy. Although what the authors used during conversion is unknown, maybe
We converted not the entire image of the clouds, but one of the bitplanes, then we get a sprite
more clearly.
Hello diver
div> honestly converted, i.e. look unprocessed by hand
div> only clouds + hero's face on the status bar
if anyone can tell you how to convert Amiga clouds into
Spectrum, can come to Tallinn for a box of beer.
Hello, *Felix*
Fel> Dear moroz1999, it’s strange that you don’t see direct conversion
Fel> graphics, it catches your eye in this game
Fel> it seems that you have never converted anything to spec
Fel> from Amiga or PC. :v2_rolley
Dear * Felix *, what do you mean by direct graphics conversion? On
My opinion is that the Spectrum screenshot is honestly converted, i.e. not
Only the clouds + the hero’s face on the status bar look manually processed.
the rest of the interface and sprites are either hand-drawn or rendered. really
It’s not clear that a resized picture with small details can’t just be converted into colors
paint on Spectrum?
Hello, moroz1999
moroz1999, well, it’s not a fact that they are also converted into pure ones. I said -
"look". to know for sure, you need to have the entire sprite of the Amiga clouds, because on
screenshots from different platforms are not an identical fragment, but only similar.
Hello, kyv_triumph
kyv> I also attached a screenshot from Nintendo
Well, you said an example of conversion :) This is a screenshot from the Amiga version. Or did you have
do you mean the port from C64?
Hello, *Felix*
Fel> Take an Amiga picture, load it into Photoshop, make it halftone,
Fel> turn up the contrast by about 20 percent and the brightness by 10
Fel> use the bitmap - halftone screen mode
Fel> it won't work, try in inversion, in principle it turns out almost the same
Fel> is the same as in Speccy.
what year was the subject produced? what the hell is photoshop, dammit
Hello, *Felix*
Fel> Take an Amiga picture, load it into Photoshop, make it halftone,
Fel> turn up the contrast by about 20 percent and the brightness by 10
Fel> use the bitmap - halftone screen mode
Fel> it won't work, try in inversion, in principle it turns out almost the same
Fel> is the same as in Speccy. Although what did the authors use during conversion
Fel> unknown, maybe they converted not the whole image of the clouds, but one of them
Fel> bitplanes, then the sprite turns out more clearly.
what year was the subject produced? what the hell is photoshop, dammit
Hello, kyv_triumph
kyv> I’m not sure about the s64, because the general thing is the game map. The sprites are perfect
kyv> others. Maybe I'm wrong. But in the spec version of the graph it's not a fountain. If
kyv> take a closer look, the background seems to be of high quality, but they themselves
kyv> game characters (RoboCop, enemies and inter-level screen) look
kyv> disgusting %)
People stupidly wanted to make money on all platforms without bothering
redrawing graphics :(
Hello, scl^mc
scl> what year was the subject produced? what the hell is photoshop, dammit
What does the year of manufacture have to do with it, I wrote how you can make such a crooked envelope
graphics now, without really bothering, but then of course it was done in a different way
editor, most likely on an Amiga or Atari st, converted into 1 bit graphics,
The translation algorithms have remained virtually unchanged.
Hello, *Felix*
Fel> People stupidly wanted to make money on all platforms without bothering
Fel> in graphics redrawing :(
for that time they did it perfectly
Hello, *Felix*
Fel> What does the year of manufacture have to do with it, I wrote how you can make such a curve
Fel> envelope graphics now, without particularly bothering, but then of course it was done
Fel> in another editor, most likely on an Amiga or Atari st converted to
Fel> 1 bit of graphics, translation algorithms have remained virtually unchanged.
Fuck Photoshop if a bmp2scr converter is enough?
Hello diver
div> for that time they did it perfectly
For that time, Myth was beautifully made, where for each platform it was completely
The graphics have been redrawn and the levels have been redesigned.