Interesting phenomenon:
ZXNet echo conference «spbzxnet.games»
Hello, goodboy
> Fire&Ice
Nope..
> shadow of the beast
in terms of office graphics.. -)
or what?? I haven’t been able to play it yet and I can’t handle 48 kilobytes!!
> defender of the crown
- yes..
Hello, hi_soft
defender of the crown and shadow of the beast are good ports,
interesting Fire&Ice can also be considered a port?
Hello, moroz1999
mor> R-Type?
And if you look the other way around, take the same zynaps, exolon, myth,
on other platforms it's just mediocre junk, but on spec it's a playable masterpiece.
well, r-type too, no matter where I see it, nothing interesting, it’s wild
playable classic. It seems to me that zx is so limited in capabilities,
that people had to seriously think about how to make everything cool in the sense
code and graphics, and the result was masterpieces.
On other platforms, high resolution, graph processors, music processors, and it seems like
cool, but it turned out to be a standard arcade game.
Hello, *Felix*
True, everything is in comparison.
Hello TomCaT
By the way, do not forget that on every gaming platform, standard tools
and libraries, standard operation and restrictions on the operation of additional chips, everything for Speckies
usually done almost from scratch, hence the variety of approaches, hence the games
kind of the same genre, not similar to each other :)
Hello Dimasty
Dim> the discussion slides into praising Spekkov's toys..."all with
Dim> zero" etc.
You misunderstood what I wanted to say, no one praises the Spectrum, it
without this, a car that has survived many others.
Just look at the same R-type on other machines, but the graphics quality is much better
better, scrolled smoother, but not interesting, banal arcade game.
Or look at zynaps on Amstrad, exolon and myth on Amiga, cooler graphics, and play
impossible, just a stupid arcade game.
Hello, goodboy
goo> interesting Fire&Ice can also be considered a port?
Why not?
Hello new art
the discussion devolves into praising Spekkov's toys..."all from scratch", etc.
Complete nonsense! especially regarding r-type...it looked like on other platforms
no worse. And many games, incl. and those listed here, and in other topics
forum, were released simultaneously for a bunch of platforms, and then it’s a matter of taste.
and I repeat once again, some ports from Atari and Commodore on Spec look
just WORSE (apparently they re-tightened it from scratch)
Hello, *Felix*
Fel> Just look at the same R-type on other machines, the quality of the graphics
Fel> is much better, scrolls smoother, but not interesting, a banal arcade game.
As a former owner of a multi-platform site for R-Type, I will say that many
fans of other platforms would disagree with you.
Hello, *Felix*
Fel> You misunderstood what I wanted
yes... I re-read the thread again and completely lost my mind... except that
we can give several counter-examples of games that could be ported to
Speck, and probably would have become hits... but for some reason they didn’t carry over... and that’s the point
not in additional chips of the same Atari... it just so happened... some of the games mentioned in this
I don’t consider the branches to be ports, it seems to me that the previous offices riveted the game under
several platforms at the same time
Hello, *Felix*
Fel> You misunderstood what I wanted to say, no one is Spectrum
Fel> praises, he is already a car that has outlasted many others.
Fel> Just look at the same R-type on other machines, the quality of the graphics
Fel> is much better, scrolls smoother, but not interesting, a banal arcade game.
Fel> Or look at zynaps on Amstrad, exolon and myth on Amiga, cooler graphics,
Fel> but it’s impossible to play, just a stupid arcade game.
Maybe the fact is that you saw the Speccy version first?
Hello,GriV
Gri> not a single game ported to Speck has ever become its... leader
Gri> or what? And vice versa - all the games that were very successful at the Speck
Gri> had frankly unsuccessful ports to other platforms.
probably means that when the company released the game for different platforms, zx
version was more attractive. by port I mean conversion
released by a completely third-party author, say, a year later.
Hello, Adramelek
Adr> Maybe the fact is that you saw the Speccy version first?
No, I honestly tried to play my favorite Specov games (zynaps,
exolon and myth) on the Amiga, IMHO unplayable.
Hello new art
It might make sense to set up a system for selling Spectrum games via the Internet.
For example, some small demo version is made, studied on
there is a demand for it on the forum. Pre-orders are being collected from Spectrum
community, based on these requests, the feasibility of the project is assessed.
When the game is ready, you can send information letters to email addresses
customers. The customer sends money to the creators (for example, by sending
SMS to a specific number), after which he receives the game by mail or a link,
where can you download it from? Maybe such a system will not bring fabulous profits,
but at least somehow compensates for the costs of the creators for real
quality games.
Hello new art
new> Let's go point by point, first I will express my assessment, then you will give yours.
new> Since both platforms have different graphics capabilities,
new> I evaluate the platform on its own, and not in comparison.
That's precisely because the graphics capabilities are different - the Spectrum one looks
less winning (levels, sprite). Unfortunately, you can’t jump above your head and
You can't overcome Spectrum limitations with attribute graphics. But still in
within the capabilities of the Spectrum, the game is undoubtedly made at the highest level and in a number of ways
parameters exceeds the Dendev version. For example, a demo version of Mario from Omega
It didn’t cause anything other than nausea, but here everything is great. And the final cut in general
masterpiece. In general, the game can be safely put on a par with such domestic
hits like "Black Raven" and "Star Legacy", all these games are made in
different genres, but they are united by the fact that they are performed at the highest level.
Hello, R.S.
RS> Newart, tell me, how much do you estimate spent on the game
RS> resources? And was there any monetary profit from the game?
All graphics were converted, drawn, animated, modeled by 1 person: Surfin Bird
I coded.
More than 5 people worked on the music.
Three people were involved in the translation to varying degrees.
The game was started in the summer of 2002, in August 2003 it was presented at Cafe 2003
demo version that took first place - the prize was a diploma and an amount of around 500 rubles (for
a third compensated for tickets to Kazan :)
The game was made in several stages. In 2003, it was done with great difficulty, there were
moments when I or the artist gave up everything and decided that the release would not happen.
But thanks to two strong incentives (Cafe2003 and New Year), the game was successful
release into the world. Unfortunately, the Deluxe version remains on disk.
It featured 20 more levels, some new graphics and music.
I also didn’t have enough passion for the TAP release. :(
Hello new art
Newart, tell me, how much do you estimate the resources spent on the game? And there was
Is there any monetary profit from the game?
Hello, alexeenko
ale> I didn’t find such a game on dandy, but I found dizzy:
ale>
ale> the music is the same, only mono, but the dizzik athlete is a discharger,
ale> rushes around the screen, not like our lazy guy :v2_lol; :v2_laugh:;
http://emu-russia.km.ru/default.php?a=gdb&sid=nes&gid=1566
I did a little digging in the catalog from this site and found another codemaster game there
Big Nose Caveman, on Spectrum there is a game with the same character - Big Nose in USA.
Hello, alexeenko
ale> Then the game doesn’t play on my Spectrum, it writes the familiar do
ale> pain:abort,retry,ignory
ale> Now I'll try it in uuuureal....
Here you can download a video with a separate walkthrough of each level.
http://www.rzxarchive.co.uk/games.aspx?letter=f
Hello, alexeenko
ale> Here is the ice climber
ale> poor dandy toy
The toy is actually simple, but not bad and playable. And here it is ported
She's on the Spectrum Golimo.
Hello Surfin' Bird
This will take a long time, I don’t have time for this now, it’s better to download the emulsion with rum and
launch the toy, the link was above. You will immediately feel the difference. Tecmo in general
I made a lot of high-quality toys for Dendy and it didn’t disappoint. In general
if it were junk, it would not have inspired domestic creators to
Spectrum remake.
Hello, alexeenko
ale> I found the buttons so far. In short, here are pictures of what else you can see there
ale> I don’t know.
Lots of things. =)
For such cases and just for the curious, I created a gallery, there is also
You can see some of the graphics that were not included in the release:
http://www.n-discovery.spb.ru/fai_gal.php
Most of the goodies can be viewed by pressing 3 keys in map mode - "FCT".
Hello, R.S.
RS> It might make sense to set up a system for selling Spectrum games through
RS> Internet. For example, some small demonstration is being done
RS> version, the demand for it is being studied on the forum....
RS> Maybe such a system will not bring fabulous profits, but extremely
RS> at least somehow compensates for the costs of the creators
RS> quality games.
Do you think the interests of the creator and the players will coincide?
How much do you estimate the compensation to be?
I estimate the Fire and Ice port (objectively) at $2000, the operating time is one and a half months.
(8-10 hours work day). The original game costs one and a half times more.
I have some doubts that from the forum and the Specov community as a whole
It’s realistic to raise at least $1000. (even for example for ZH2)
Hello, R.S.
RS> Tecmo generally made a lot of high-quality toys for Dendy and this is not
RS> let us down. In general, if it were junk, it wouldn’t inspire
RS> domestic creators for the Spectrum remake.
You're partly right, but at that moment I took up the remake, mostly from
idleness, I wanted to do something and then I came across this toy.
It's funny, but half the game was programmed, while the original I didn't
I'm still halfway through. =) I really couldn’t pass some levels, then
My sister helped, and Surfin Bird went through the rest when he took up graphics.
p.s. Try to further justify your opinion.
Hello new art
new> Most of the goodies can be viewed by clicking in map mode 3
new> keys -"FCT".
thanks, I'll go and shake it
Hello, R.S.
RS> I just admired the quality of the Spectrum Fire and Ice, but after
RS> as soon as I saw the Dendev version, I realized that it was Spectrum
RS> compared to Dendevskaya, it rests, which does not detract from its advantages
RS> Spectrum version (the authors did a great job - with the poor
RS> port of Dendev's Ice Climber solid Ice and Fire does not go anywhere
RS> what a comparison), but the Dendev one looks much cooler. :)
Really? :v2_finge; :v2_biggr:; :v2_clapp;
Maybe; Will you post screenshots from both versions side by side and compare?
Hello SMT
SMT> you need to hire Chinese or Indian coders whose salary is $10
SMT> per week ;-)
Yeah, and also Indian muzakers... :v2_lol:
Hello new art
you need to hire Chinese or Indian coders whose salary is $10 per week
;-)
Hello, R.S.
RS> This takes a long time, I don’t have time for this now, it’s better to download the emulsion from
RS> rum and launch the toy, the link was above. You'll feel it right away
RS> difference. Tecmo has generally made a lot of high-quality toys for Dendy and
RS> it didn't disappoint. In general, if it were junk, it wouldn’t be
RS> inspired domestic creators for the Spectrum remake.
I downloaded it and looked at it. Damn, in kind! Spekovskaya is a complete mess. Graphics - finally
Shit, I could have done better. And the animations, detail, levels are any kind of sucker
will do.
ale> Here is the ice climber, a wretched dandy toy
Shaw? I will intercede! The game, of course, does not have enough stars out of nowhere, but it has
quite entertaining and strong gameplay. I remember in real life with her
enjoyed playing during breaks between Darkwing Duck, Contra Force and Cross
Fire.
Hello, R.S.
RS> Big Nose in USA.
which is not surprising, because they were doing code masters. both here and there they wanted to make money.
by the way, if my memory serves me right, there is also some kind of toy on spec, with
Bignoz in the title role... does anyone know?
Hello, scl^mc
Mr. rs, name a few more games performed at the same level.