Dizzy's secret to success
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Hello TomCaT
Tom> Why did it take root on Specky and mainly here
Well, again, Dizzy was on many platforms and there were plenty of Western fan sites.
Hello, goodboy
The first thing that catches your eye when playing DIZZY (starting from 3.5) is
high-quality color graphics + animation. Secondly, well-developed gameplay
(lots of clever puzzles and adventures. The exception is the oak DIZZY NEW
Russian programmers). Thirdly, a user-friendly interface (no need to type anything
or search on the keyboard, everything is controlled by 5 keys or a joystick).
Hello, All
2All
Please speak out, as concisely as possible and point by point, what you think
What do you think is the genius of the Oliver brothers' discovery? Why did she take root on
Specky and mostly here (in the sense of the territory of Zemshara)? But if possible without
meaningless phrases “Dizzy rulez, forewer, burnt” - everyone already knows this
:v2_smile;
I want to; understand why among several heroes of game series all the cream
did he gain popularity in those years? And since the truth is born in a dispute, then,
maybe this topic will become a “guide” for creating adventure game characters (even
if Dizzy is half platformer).
For example:
1) the fun of smooth movements/jumps while being easy to implement.
2) Humor in the speech of the characters.
3)?..
And this has more to do with the quest games themselves with his participation than :):
3) Integrity of the plot over many episodes.
4) Short, soft, non-annoying sounds are in place, when the whole body is not overloaded with them
games (frequent quiet places).
5) Uniqueness of the puzzles.
6) colorfulness and variety of a large playing field with low consumption
memory.
7) Several solutions (in :) 1)
Hello, goodboy
goo> Dizzy was on many platforms and there are plenty of Western fan sites
Sorry if I expressed myself incorrectly, but handmade sequels seem to be
characteristic of the “East”. And the number of episodes, even if not Olivers
Hello TomCaT
in fact, the PC is full of homemade dizzy, made over the hill.
classic view - side view.
and if we consider our continuations, it’s probably due to the lack of artists,
it's hard to come up with a well-animated character from scratch,
and there are plenty of sprites taken from the original. The plots aren't very good either.
Of course, it’s easier to scold than to do something yourself, so don’t judge me harshly for my
opinion.
Hello, Jukov
Juk> The first thing that catches your eye when playing DIZZY (starting from 3.5) is
Juk> high-quality color graphics + animation.
The graphics are very simple, although not clumsy, but rather original.
There are a hundred games with better graphics.
The animation is also minimal, with the exception of only the 5th part at 128k.
Hello, goodboy
goo> well again, Dizzy was on many platforms and Western fans
goo> there are plenty of sites.
So it is, but you have seen a lot of HOMEMADE dizzy on Amiga, PC, Atari, C64,
Asmtrad of that time?!
Hello, goodboy
goo> in fact, the PC is full of homemade dizzy, made over the hill.
goo> classic view - side view.
goo> and if we consider our continuations, the matter is probably in the absence
goo> artists, it’s difficult to come up with a well-animated character from scratch
goo> and there are plenty of sprites taken from the original.
Then why not Rick Dangerous, Seymour, Slightly Magic, Thunder Birds?
The graphics are just as good, if not better.
Hello new art
most likely it's a matter of a well-promoted name, call the game dizzyXXX and everyone will have
an idea of what it is. if we consider Russian continuations, then what?
make a game in the 90s besides zx, it was probably the most popular
big, and it was easier to learn coding on it
although I remember an editor for creating games on the Amiga (the name was forgotten) in
examples of it, in addition to shooters, there were games like dizzy, and dizzy itself there
flashed, though no longer as the main character
Hello, goodboy
http://www.bubblefox.co.uk
http://www.pixeldizzy.cjb.net
http://www.dizzyland.co.uk
especially the last link - a ton of “homemade” games about Dizzy on the PC...
I'm not interested in the Amiga, but on the C64 there were also homemade subjects...
For me, the fun of dizzy is the ease of learning the game, simple controls, beautiful
graphics - there were very few adventure games of this level (I can only remember
Slightly Magik and Towdie) - and collecting 20.30 items is generally purely hardcore
The attachment feature is very appropriate!!!
Hello, goodboy
goo> most likely it’s a matter of a well-promoted name, call the game dizzyXXX and that’s it
goo> will have an idea what it is
Simply call it (DIZZY NEW). How to do it? Moreover, such that almost from the first
series attracted attention. Promotion is promotion, but bits must also be
included in the right places.)
That's the most likely thing - there were no similar ones. Nowadays almost no one comes up with
genres. Mix - yes. What if a new idea altogether?
Hello TomCaT
Hello everyone.
I dare to comment on the situation with Dizzy.
By the way, has anyone seen competent sequels from third-party authors?
I don’t want to offend anyone, it’s just that even quite talented guys made a product...
How can I say... Not exactly bad, but having lost something important.
The character of a good adventure game should not be invented, but born. And in
In the case of third-party continuations, this is no longer a son, but a stepson.
Those. the plot of a great adventure game may not be intended to be the plot of a game,
but as a collection of stories for friends, which the author subsequently decides
implement in code. This is how many classic adventure games were born...
When a character is "alive", people remember him for a very long time.
Hello GNTB
Of our toys, Smagly2, Winnie the Pooh and Santa Clauses immediately come to mind,
but Irons and Operation RR are something. completely incomprehensible logic and plot -
although the idea with the jumping character is very original.
the Slovaks had good toys - pedro, towdie, kliatba noci series
Hello, goodboy
GNT> The character of a good adventure game should not be made up, -
GNT> is born. And in the case of third-party sequels, this is no longer a son, but a stepson.
Everything is correct. So why not follow the process. Birth is
of course a holy sacrament. But helping with consent is not yet a crime. You know,
You even need to be able to brush your teeth, let alone plan a hit.
GNT> That is. the plot of a great adventure game may not be intended as such
GNT> the plot of the game, but as a collection of stories for friends, which is the author
GNT> is subsequently decided to be implemented in code. This is how many were born
GNT> classic adventure games...
Was it like that with DIZZY? It’s just that some programmers generally think in code, and don’t
transfer something to the computer: they build mathematical models of the real world in their heads, and
on the contrary, it’s easier for them. (sounds good, meaningful :v2_lol; );
GNT> When a character is “alive”, people remember him for a very long time.
That's what we're talking about. That's right. And that's why DIZZY is so alive. Where are the stories about him?
(except for those known to us from games and dockets for them)
Hello TomCaT
By the way, my friend’s wife won a competition for the best window display in
In the children's world, depicting the Dizzy family among the tree houses, it was this year
in 93. :v2_clap2:
Hello, goodboy
goo> most likely it’s a matter of a well-promoted name, call the game dizzyXXX and that’s it
goo> will have an idea what it is
I won't have any idea, because... I've never played Dizzy. she's not interesting
was for me and still doesn’t appeal to me %) just don’t want me in the muzzy, ok :)
Hello, acidrain
It’s not clear where the opinion about the insane popularity of dizzy came from?
Hello, goodboy
goo> It’s not clear where the opinion about the crazy popularity of dizzy came from?
I don’t remember another game that we would all play while running away from class.
AWESOME!!
Hello, goodboy
goo> It’s not clear where the opinion about the crazy popularity of dizzy came from?
Number of views of similar topics in this forum. Number of game clones.
Number of its official sequels.
Voting in the press of the first half of the 90s based on letters from readers - that’s all
indicates Dizzy's super popularity...
Hello, goodboy
goo> It’s not clear where the opinion about the crazy popularity of dizzy came from?
A couple of posts above, the person who said that he had not played Dizzy agreed that he
I need to go to the museum. :D
Hello, Adramelek
But I don’t remember another series like this that was almost completely completed, because... TV series
I don't respect you at all. If Back to the Future. Ends with three episodes --
This means the third one has already “cooled down” and is tasteless.
And I remember dizzy almost from the first try (drug, cheslovo 8) )
Hello TomCaT
Tom> Was it like that with DIZZY? Some programmers just don't think at all
Tom> code, and don’t transfer something to the computer: they build mathematical models in their heads
Tom> of the real world, and vice versa is easier for them.
I don’t know how it was in the case of Dizzy, but still defending my point of view...
At the PC, Ken and Roberta Williams immediately come to mind. On Specky - Gargoyle. Yes and
adventure games in general were invented by fans of well-thought-out tabletop dangling games, and simply
fans of science fiction and adventure.
And the character of the central character... Take the same Gargoyle - company
developers who never made bad games.
They had an isometric series about Sweevo; Sweevo's; world, Sweevo's whirled.
They released a game that was essentially a continuation and development of this
universe - Hydrofool. They took the best from Sweevo, the graphics were even better, it’s
happened under water, hero... I don’t know, maybe it was the same Sweevo with
scuba diving, or maybe not... In general, it seems like there should have been a commercial
success...
But no, the game still lost something, and was worse than Sweevo's world...
The loss (change) of the main character turned out to be more important than one might think. Like this.
Has anyone played Freddy Hardest 3? A completely different game, a different genre, with
a greatly changed hero. So what if it was a fashionable “beat them all”fighting game with beautiful graphics. A thread of connection with that cartoonish, comical superhero
It was torn and the game didn't work. Here.
Hello GNTB
GNT> And adventure games in general were invented by fans of well-thought-out board games
GNT> denzhakov
Uh-huh. And now they are made by fans of banknotes.
Hello, goodboy
"The country must know its heroes." And people love them anyway. Vaughn created Holmes
A. K. Doyle, then he couldn’t get rid of him until he could not get rid of him - the detective pursued him,
like in Pacman. :v2_lol;
A; if you move away from the “similarity” a little, people will taste “it seems like a continuation”,
will not find a familiar taste, or what kind of ointment will he find in a new spoonful of honey - and
will start spitting.
So a good character must immediately be complete. Once and for all. Or right away
outline its main features, the constant backbone in movements, speech, appearance.
Hello, Adramelek
By the way, I thought that Freddie was a hero of some Spanish cartoons/comics, but
I didn’t find anything on the Internet, probably a character really invented from scratch, but
the third part was made by a company from Uruguay!
so everything has changed.
Hello TomCaT
Tom> "The country must know its heroes." And people love them anyway. Vaughn
Tom> Holmes was created by A. K. Doyle, so then he couldn’t stop doing it
Tom> get rid of - chased by a detective, like in Pacman.
Tom> And if you move a little away from the “similarity”, people will taste the “sort of”
Tom> continuation", will not find a familiar taste, or what kind of a barrel of ointment is in
Tom> will find honey in a new spoon and start spitting.
Tom> So a good character should immediately be holistic. Once and for all.
Tom> Or immediately outline its main features, the constant backbone in its movements
Tom> speech, video.
Yes, the character must be holistic, the universe must be unified, the plot must be almost literary.
So that it doesn’t happen that the first two parts were in the distant future, and the third in the 80s
years in New York... And even if so, let this move be good
played out by the plot... Remember, say, Quest for glory on the PC, the character, in
over the course of five parts he throws himself around the world (fantasy, but having parallels with
real medieval and ancient world), but everything is perfectly played out by the plot, and
It’s especially cool to meet such personnel as “Baba Yaga” in the American game,"Rusalki", "Leshy", "Boyar" (4th part). This is work on the plot, respect...
Adr> Yep. And now they are made by fans of banknotes.
Eh, sharply said. Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. Respect.
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I wrote everything, forgot about the main thing - Dizzy...
You know, I thought that all eternal games should have good humor. Not
vulgarity, not stupidity, but a slight smile. Gloomy, serious characters go into
oblivion very quickly, but good old friends remain. Dizzy, Sweevo, Pinocchio,
Slightly; on PC - goblins, Roger Wilco, Lost Vikings; yes even in Quest for
glory and Fallout had (sometimes) good humor.
But here all sorts of “Larries” and “Shtyrlitsy” are not taken into account - this is different.
Dizzy is a completely different situation.
Hello GNTB
Why are you suffering from bullshit, miracles cannot be analyzed ;)
Hello, boo_boo
And, in my opinion, success is very simple - originality. To be honest, the subsequent ones
attempts to create something in this genre were repetitions of something old, which
not forgotten at all. And to create something like this, you need to discard all the previous ones
development, and the “muse” will already do its job.
Hello Robus
Rob> why are you suffering from bullshit, miracles cannot be analyzed
Well, why, everyone needs to start learning how to do miracles right today. At least
study :)
Hello TomCaT
Tom> Well, why, everyone needs to start learning how to do miracles right today.
Tom> At least study
I didn’t write... I don’t think that development is bullshit!
Hello Robus
in confirmation of the popularity of dizzy -
http://www.worldofsam.org/node/290/results
=))