Turbo Sound VS AY
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Hello, scl^mc
risks already showed me what can happen if you write music in 6 channels and
yes, the difference is noticeable, and pleasantly noticeable - as a consequence, which is already higher
It was said that compositions with 6 channels will obviously have an advantage.
If so, you need to divide it into 2 competitions. and the fact that there will be music under ts
it’s not enough, because my grandmother said it in two, as if it weren’t just under ay
there are fewer compositions, especially since with the advent of a large number of editors 6
channel sound is no longer a matter for the elite. everything becomes quite simple,
These are again the words of a risker.
Hello, risky
better all in one. This is basically chip music. even the sound will be the same
I'm sure too.
Hello, risky
I think that two different competitions are still better. despite the fact that in both
In cases where AU is used, the difference in the number of channels will be quite noticeable. yes
and after all, there are two envelopes in tse. music under tse will have more
depth, thus ordinary AY-modules will be in a deliberately losing state.
As for quantity, just remember atoy oldschool music compo. 3
work, but still, they were there. and then I think there will be more. same in tse
imho
Hello new art
I think we still need 2 competitions. I have already tried the possibilities
turbo-sound, with a smart approach, the sound can be very different from one ay. yes
and a lot of sophisticated viewers vote at the party, for whom the difference will be
obvious.
the arguments for a general competition are reasonable on the one hand, but still the popularity of ts
will grow as it is destined to. but a small amount of work - so what?
you can't help it, it's just an incentive for others to learn and switch to ts so that they
there were a lot.
Hello bugsy
bugsy, you just didn’t hear the sound, but I already heard and wrote :) I repeat, the difference
will be noticeable.
Hello, All
For those who don’t know, Turbo Sound is a scarf on which there are 2 regular
AY (results in 6 channels).
At the moment there are 3 music editors under TS, of course they are still
in its raw form, but you can write music and musicians do it all.
In this regard, the question of what to do with such music on
Party.
Should we organize a separate competition or combine it with regular AY?
Arguments for a general competition:
1. There will be no more than 4 modules in the first couples (or maybe less).
2. An inexperienced viewer will not notice the difference between TS and regular AY.
3. The presence of TS will be an incentive for musicians to switch to TS.
Arguments for a separate competition:
1. TS gives more opportunities, accordingly, the authors of TS tracks will have
advantage.
Hello, risky
In my IMHO, if there is a difference in the hardware, even just in
number of votes, it’s better to separate the competitions, because and among the losers
there will be fewer complaints and there will be an incentive to get the TS - still a separate one
competition, wow!!!
Hello new art
I can add that at CC for TS and AY there will be 1 competition, for 2 simply no one will give
time, especially with music.
So voting is relevant for the upcoming Di Halt and other parties.
Hello new art
Two competitions for sure. Slavik, a lot of 3.14 from you. And CC has already been fucked up
%)
Hello C-jeff
Cje> Two competitions for sure. Slavik, a lot of 3.14 from you. And CC already
Cje> obviously screwed up %)
As you can see, no one could squeeze out of themselves other than 1 argument,
Why do you think?
In fact, of course, I am only FOR the party having 20 AY mzuons and 20 TS.
But you know, they simply won’t give you that much time for CC.
And for DH and other parties, I would like to get at least 15 pieces for AY.
Hello, risky
ris> newart, we are talking about those very new opportunities. some dying
ris> due to the lack of ideas for ordinary ay, it might be very interesting
ris> continue to expand your creativity under turbo-sound. it's yours
ris> kind of similar to the transition from a spec tracker to a pisish tracker, new ones
ris> horizons.
But does a general competition at least reduce these opportunities?
On the contrary, it once again encourages us to write specifically under AY.
Hello, risky
ris> I think we still need 2 competitions. I have already tried it
ris> turbo-sound capabilities, with a smart approach the sound can be striking
ris> differ from one ay. and a lot of people vote at the party
ris> sophisticated viewers, for whom the difference will be obvious.
ris> the arguments for a general competition on the one hand are reasonable, but still
ris> ts' popularity will grow as it is destined to. and small
ris> number of works - what can you do, it’s just an incentive
ris> learn from others and switch to ts, so that there are many of them.
Explain what is the incentive for two competitions to write under TS, and not the usual AY?
Hello new art
newart, we are talking about those very new opportunities. some dying from
lack of ideas for ordinary ay it might be very interesting to continue
expand your creativity under turbo-sound. it's kind of similar to
transition from spec tracker to pisish tracker, new horizons.
Hello, risky
I’m not the only one against unification, but this is an obvious question! everyone understands that music
the quality is becoming poor and there is no one to revive it... let people write at least 1
channel, THIS WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING! It will be easier to cancel the competition altogether. me
It’s disgusting to hear what they’re writing at the party now. everyone succeeds a lot
it’s cooler if he writes not for something, but for himself!!! and if you need plagiarism -
I suggest writing in 32 or 64 channels. why not make super-turbo-sound on
all these channels? please don't distort speccy!!!!!! all this stuff like
zx flash, turbo-sound, high resolution, 1024, turbo, in short, various sounds and
graphics - just a bias for PC, Amiga, Sega, dandy... don’t you yourself
disgusting??????? everything has been clear for a long time and we are all not small people either! mine
The opinion is that this will not benefit the Spectrum...
Hello fatalsnipe
fat> I’m not the only one against unification, but this is a point-blank question! everyone understands that
fat> the music is becoming poor quality and there is no one to revive it... let it be
fat> people write on at least 1 channel, THIS WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING! it will be easier and
fat> cancel the competition altogether. I'm disgusted to hear what they write now
fat> at the party. everyone turns out much better if they don't write for
fat> something, but for yourself!!! and if you need plagiarism, I suggest writing in
fat> 32 or 64 channels. why not make a super-turbo-sound for all of these
fat> channels? please don't distort speccy!!!!!! all this stuff like
fat> zx flash, turbo-sound, high resolution, 1024, turbo, in short
fat> various sounds and graphics - just for PC, Amiga, Sega,
fat> dandy... aren't you disgusted yourself??????? everything has long been clear and
fat> we are all not small people either! my opinion is this - this is beneficial
fat> you can't bring Spectrum...
Turbo Sound is the most harmless sound modification that exists.
What is the PC suited to?..
Why cancel AY, is the situation better on PC?Everyone there who knows how to write does it for money.
Why don't you set an example yourself?
The point is not only and not so much in the musicians themselves, but also in the listeners
who eat anything and everything.
Hello new art
new> As you can see, no one was able to squeeze out except for the 1st argument,
new> why do you think?
new> In fact, of course, I am only FOR the party having 20 AY mzuons and
new> 20 TS.
new> But you know, they simply won’t give you that much time for CC.
new> And for DH and other parties I would like to get at least 15 pieces for AY.
at least one argument, but what a one!
let's try to hold two separate competitions and see what happens.
the first pancake... still... maybe it will turn out lumpy, or maybe not. it all depends
from the musicians themselves. As many modules as they send, we will lose as many. conclusions from
We'll leave this experiment for later. :)
ps. can you bring 100% turbo sound to the party? or who?
Hello Vinny
Vin> although there is one argument, but what one!
Vin> let's try to hold two separate competitions, we'll see what happens
Vin> will work. the first damn... still... maybe it will turn out lumpy, but
Vin> maybe not. it all depends on the musicians themselves. how much will they send?
Vin> modules, we’ll lose that many. Let's leave the conclusions from this experiment to
Vin> later. :)
Vin> ps. can you bring 100% turbo sound to the party? or who?
As far as I know, Slava does not have a vehicle. In general, there are only six vehicle owners.
On the SS05, all the music came through the TS, but there were no six-channel music yet.
Hello new art
together. No one divides compo graphics into standard and gigascreen. as for
not equal opportunities, then I think that even in 2 channels you can write a masterpiece, there was
would be talent.
Hello fatalsnipe
fat> I’m not the only one against unification, but this is a point-blank question! everyone understands that
fat> the music is becoming poor quality and there is no one to revive it... let it be
fat> people write on at least 1 channel, THIS WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING! it will be easier and
fat> cancel the competition altogether. I'm disgusted to hear what they write now
fat> at the party. everyone turns out much better if they don't write for
fat> something, but for yourself!!! and if you need plagiarism, I suggest writing in
fat> 32 or 64 channels. why not make a super-turbo-sound for all of these
fat> channels? please don't distort speccy!!!!!! all this stuff like
fat> zx flash, turbo-sound, high resolution, 1024, turbo, in short
fat> various sounds and graphics - just for PC, Amiga, Sega,
fat> dandy... aren't you disgusted yourself??????? everything has long been clear and
fat> we are all not small people either! my opinion is this - this is beneficial
fat> you can't bring Spectrum...
Ahhh... Nu, nude... So we take everything sharply Spectrum ZX48 and write in Wham, under
beeper, and whoever uses the disk drive, God forbid, will cut off his hands. The disk drive was inventedevil pussies! And not any progressive AY, ONLY beeper, who writes under AY
will be, death is inevitable. All these drives, monitors, audio devices, all this
distorts spec. Everyone should sit on TV, load from the mafon and not buzz as intended
This is the great Sinclair. Or maybe it’s better to go back to the Felix machine, but to
slide rule? And then all these newfangled computers, tapes,
punched cards, and even these, like their floppy disks (the bourgeoisie came up with that!), only
corrupt science. So, this spec of yours is some kind of computer hack!
Aren't you disgusted yourself? Computers will definitely not bring any benefit, their owners
I’ve completely lost the habit of thinking about this; without a calculator I can’t do 8 by 8 in my head
multiply! In general, everyone should live in the forest, in a hut. And at least I’ll see someone who has a primus stove
- I’ll tear my mouth, I’ll blink at will and these like them... I’ll bite off... :v2_clapp:
But seriously, speck is a platform for which you can really come up with something of your own,
something more interesting, with more possibilities. And under the pussy, try it,
develop and make a sound card to surprise at least a child
possibilities. Although this is in principle possible...
Hello diver
div> together. no one divides graphics on compo into standard and
div> gigascreen. As for unequal opportunities, I think that in 2
div> channel you can write a masterpiece, if only you had talent.
And on a VAZ-2101 you can beat a Subaru Impreza if you drive a Subaru
idiot, and behind the wheel of 2101 is a professional pilot. But nevertheless, no one
It would come to mind to put them together at the start. Maybe then a demo component 65536 and
put megademo together? After all, there were quite a few masterpieces in 65536.
No, there is a clear division - 4Ch music, AY music, etc. so let it be
and further, AY3 and AY6 are still not the same thing (I would also introduce AY12). And evaluate
It can also be done in different ways:
1. Point for idea, harmony. (remixes/plagiarisms, respectively - 0)
2. Point for arrangement, selection of sounds (timbres, instruments...).
3. Score for sound quality.
The number of points can be different, for item 1 let’s say from 0 (EXACTLY FROM ZERO, since
plagiarism is not scored higher) up to 10, for items 2 and 3 from 1 to 5.
For AY-compo, item 3 can, of course, be excluded, since the sound quality is everywhere
the same.
Hello, CHRV
CHR> As far as I know, Slava does not have a vehicle. And in general there are only six vehicle owners
CHR> person.
CHR> On CC05, all the music came through the TS, but there were no six-channel music yet
CHR> was.
I want to be seventh!!! Ready to buy!
Hello new art
new> At the moment there are 3 music editors under TS, of course they are still there
new> in its raw form, but you can write music and musicians can do it all
new> are engaged.
Can you give links to editors and several modules?
Hello Vinny
Rum, what about TS FM? I haven’t heard anything, I don’t have any information on your website
I couldn't find it, just the price...
Hello Mike
Mike - so them!
I completely agree with you.
Hello Mike
Guys, I can’t seem to understand something, they’re arguing here :)
I completely agree with mike... about the fact that he responded to both fatalsnipe and
diver...
In principle, I don’t understand what’s there to argue = I would use gfx standard and gigascreen
divided into two competitions, but under gigascreen almost no one did anything
does it, but by the way, it doesn’t do it because there is no separate competition... like
you’ll draw it under the gigascreen, bring it to the party, and they’ll tell you “we don’t do that.”
We show that everyone is on an equal footing, let us give you your work without competition
Shall we show you?":) no, when there are a lot of competitions and the desire to participate in them
increases = especially since desire is such a thing, it can appear and disappear when
the first breath of the breeze :) and if our musicians say that it wouldn’t be bad
divided into two competitions, so let's try, since they have the desire = a
We'll see and draw conclusions...
that it’s newart that’s dragging us into the swamp :) seems to have raised a question, as I understand it, so
make some final decision? and in every new message only
pulls the blanket over himself, and this despite the fact that the majority thinks the opposite?
let's better think about how to hold such a competition =
Hello Vinny
Vin> we are ready to do this on DiHalta. the only snag is that we have
Vin> no turbo sound.
Vin> 2all: who will bring it?
this is also not a problem = saw the scarf from nedopc, read the inferno paragraph? it's simple,
you pull out your AY from the socket, stick :) in its place a scarf with two
AY's rude and that's it = the most basic modification of all existing ones = simpler for me
I don't remember anything. here, as far as I know, on dihalt there is already a muse for 6 channels
I'm writing all the time = so...
Hello, pulsar
pul> let's better think about how to even hold such a competition=
we are ready to do this at DiHalta. the only catch is that we don't have
turbo sound.
2all: who will bring it?
Hello, pulsar
pul> here, as far as I know, on dihalt the muse for 6 channels is already being written with might and main =
pul> so...
yes it is written.
2CHRV: maybe you can bring it then? or pass it on to someone. write in soap.
2all: as soon as there is confirmation that we will definitely be paid for the party -
We are immediately writing an announcement about the turbo component.
Hello Mike
Mik> Rum, what about TS FM? I haven’t heard anything, you don’t have any information
I didn’t find Mik> on the site, only the price...
http://zx.pk.ru/showthread.php?t=1442
Hello Mike
Mik> Interesting device. Is it really possible to order it at the moment? That would be
Mik> also, what I wrote about doing with it...
Let's discuss this in that thread ;).
For order!
Hello Vinny
Vin> although there is one argument, but what one!
Vin> let's try to hold two separate competitions, we'll see what happens
Vin> will work. the first damn... still... maybe it will turn out lumpy, but
Vin> maybe not. it all depends on the musicians themselves. how much will they send?
Vin> modules, we’ll lose that many. Let's leave the conclusions from this experiment to
Vin> later. :)
Vin> ps. can you bring 100% turbo sound to the party? or who?
Di Halt is a special conversation and here a separate competition is really relevant, not
according to the above arguments, but with the aim of conducting a _Presentation_ Turbo
Sound.
Hello Vinny
Vin> 2all: as soon as there is confirmation that we will definitely be given a fee for
Vin> party - we’ll immediately write an announcement about the turbo component.
If I don’t come, I’ll transfer the payment through someone from St. Petersburg who’s going to DH,
it's not a problem.
The most important thing is to tell me:
AY do you have in the crib, if so, how many legs are there in the crib.
Is there something wrong with the mixer or are we going to step on the long-term rake again when people
from the edge of the hall hears 2 channels instead of 3?
Hello, Kpa3
Kpa> Can you give links to editors and several modules?
Download the 13th version of Vortexa, it has TS support and about 6 modules.
I can’t post Pt TS, for this please contact those who are currently testing it:
Karbofos, C-Jeff, Nik-o, Riskej, Kyv, Shiru and actually to the author Alone
Coderu.
Hello, pulsar
pul> you are still at the party for an RGB->PAL (composite, SVideo) encoder from nedopc!
pul> how much you can suffer = connecting the spec to the projector...
and we didn’t suffer. we had it on dh05 :)
Hello Vinny
Vin> 2all: as soon as there is confirmation that we will definitely be given a fee for
Vin> party - we’ll immediately write an announcement about the turbo component.
You are still at the party asking nedopc for RGB->PAL (composite, SVideo) encoder! how much
You can suffer = connecting the spec to the projector...
Hello, CHRV
CHR> Let's discuss this in that thread ;).
CHR> For order!
Posted it there...
Hello, CHRV
CHR> http://zx.pk.ru/showthread.php?t=1442
Interesting device. Is it really possible to order it at the moment? If only I could, then oh
what did I write to do with it...
Hello, CHRV
CHR> As far as I know, Slava does not have a vehicle.
Joker. =)
Hello new art
no, well, then let’s just lump all the competitions into one pile. still work under
one computer sharpened? :D
Hello new art
A presentation of TurboSound will be held at DiHalta. The most active sceners will receive
payment as a gift :)
Hello, CHRV
CHR> It turns out that Slava is the organizer of DiHalt
No, but I am more interested in TS and everything connected with it than they are.
With such requirements, the place to be in Wild is that not everyone is a coder.
Hello new art
new> Send it as TWO regular tracks, don’t talk about the player. =)
new> They came up with some kind of nonsense.
new> If you need to write a player, it’s for ProSoundCreator, and the modules are PT
new> and VT are played no more difficult than usual.
It turns out that Slava is the organizer of DiHalt :)
Hello, himik
him> Release the latest TSE release with a compiler and player :)
It's high time :)
Hello, scl^mc
scl> how can I do this if I don’t have a real ts and an emulator with
scl> I also can’t use its support?
Send it as TWO regular tracks, don’t talk about the player. =)
They came up with some kind of nonsense.
If a player needs to be written, it should be for ProSoundCreator, and the PT modules
and VT are played no more difficult than usual.
Hello, himik
him> Release the latest TSE release with compiler and player
What will this give?
After all, Mouzons did NOT write in it for another reason.
Hello new art
new> No, but I am more interested in TS and everything connected with it than they are.
new> With such requirements, the place to be in Wild is that not everyone is a coder.
we are as interested as you are. We just don’t even have the opportunity yet
touch the device and look at the software.
that will change soon.
Hello Vinny
Please release the latest TSE release with a compiler and player :)
Hello, himik
him> And my crafts in TSE were just that “magic pendal”
him> IMHO.
everything is correct.
Khimik, Bulba, AlCo for the support/introduction of turbo sound - a monument during his lifetime!
him> Well, yes, they didn’t write, but at least:.
How did you not write? I made 1 whole track in TSE ;)
Hello, himik
in general, to the party I will send ts music in the form of two modules (disc image with
two *.m files). I don’t have the ability to attach a player for this,
and probably the rest of the musicians too. Well, I'm not a coder!!! :mad:
Hello, scl^mc
scl> in general, to the party I will send ts music in the form of two modules (image
scl> disk with two *.m files). I don't have the ability to attach for
scl> this is a player, and probably the rest of the musicians too. well no
scl> I am a coder!!! :mad:
Don't be afraid, we'll all lose, but just in case, send 2 options - 2 tracks
and a candy bar (to save it, select the inscription CHIP).
Hello, karbofos
kar> why didn’t you write? I made 1 whole track in TSE
Which to put it mildly, uh..
well, you know, he doesn’t use much of the potential of TS.
Hello, himik
him> 2Newart: Well, yes, they didn’t write, but at least:
him> The start of work on the editor gave rise to a return to technology. First I
him> there was one, then NedoPC released a board, and now there's no way,
him> Vortex Tracker and it began to support this miracle. I'm already silent about
him> which seems to be what the AlCo protracher does under TS.
him> DiHalt wants to launch a presentation of the device - I'm shocked!!!
him> Therefore, I achieved what I wanted, although there weren’t many people, there were
him> moves in a given direction. And my crafts at TSE were just that
him> the most “magic pendal” :) IMHO.
Yes, you’re right, when I wrote those lines I thought about it myself.
So I am very grateful to you for what you have done for the development of TS
and I think the best reward for you will be a bunch of cool TS tracks that are already in
everything is written. =)
But PT is true, it’s still buggy in places, but you can write music.
Hello new art
Absolutely! Arriving at DI, I will be able to drink beer with the authors of tracks under TS and
to please my own pride that at least I did something.
Thanks in turn to those who did not score and began to further promote TS.
Hello new art
2Newart: Well, yes, they didn’t write, but at least:
The beginning of work on the editor gave rise to a return to technology. At first I was alone
then NedoPC released a board, and now, out of nowhere, Vortex Tracker has become
support this miracle. I’m already silent about what the AlCo protracher seems to be doing
under TS.
They want to launch a presentation of the device on DiHalt - I'm shocked!!! Therefore I
achieved what he wanted, although there weren’t many people, they began to move in this
direction. And my crafts in TSE were just that “magic pendal” :)
IMHO.
Hello, CHRV
CHR> By the way, if my eyes are right, then PT is already on zx.da.ru.
CHR>
CHR> Slava, I could spend half an hour and give the player to those in need if that's all
CHR> so "easy".
There's no time now.
Hello new art
By the way, if my eyes are right, then PT is already on zx.da.ru.
Slava, I could spend half an hour and give the player to those in need if that’s the case
"easy".
Hello new art
I think it’s clearly written in the rules: the track must be compiled together with the player!
NewArt help people, I myself rely on JTN because he promised to sculpt a player for me.
By the way, NewArt your post about 4 tracks on TS on DH is no longer relevant - one
I was just about to give away 4 tracks ;)
(2 - out of comp.)
Hello new art
new> There is no time now.
Gee-gee, well, as usual! :D
Hello new art
If we're going to do it, then do it together. There is no need to create competitions, as they did on PC.
Additional 3 channels will not add to the talent of the “composers”, and even to the number
compositions of the 2nd competition will not have much impact - we have the same composers, but
2-3 people can write a good music..
And in general, this is the third year I’ve asked for a strict preselection!
Hello, key-jee
key> Additional 3 channels will not add talent to “composers”
key>
So what? And there are a lot of possibilities. Then let's all go to the beeper, in one channel,
talent will reveal itself. :v2_lol:
In these unfortunate three channels, it’s normal to insert even a chord - a three-note sound
it’s impossible - there will be no more votes (I’m generally silent about the 7th & 9th and so on),
and it will sound crazy - C on the left, E on the right, G in the middle.
Beauty... :v2_thumb:
key> we have the same composers, but 2-3 can write a good music
key> person..
key>
So why then hold a competition at all? Gold at once, silver
to another, and bronze to a third, and the rest - to the “stars” factory, they need them there.
Hello, karbofos
kar> By the way, NewArt your post about 4 tracks on TS on DH is irrelevant
kar> more - I was going to give away 4 tracks alone
kar> (2 - out of comp.)
I almost achieved my goal, the rest doesn’t matter. ;)
Hello, karbofos
kar> I think it is clearly written in the rules: the track must be compiled together with
kar> player!
kar> NewArt help people, I myself rely on JTN because he promised me a player
kar> sculpt.
kar>
kar> By the way, NewArt your post about 4 tracks on TS on DH is irrelevant
kar> more - I was going to give away 4 tracks alone
kar> (2 - out of comp.)
It is not possible to compile it together with the player right now, there should be two players, according to
anyone. And the rules probably meant the launchable BASIC, which should
play music.
Hello, key-jee
key> If we do, then together. There is no need to create competitions like this
key> made on PC.
key> Additional 3 channels will not add talent to “composers”, and even
key> the number of compositions of the 2nd competition will not have much impact - composers have
key> we are the same, but 2-3 people can write a good music..
key>
key> And in general, this is the 3rd year I’ve asked for a hard preselection!.
And who do you think is able to implement it?
Hello new art
from scenery;
alone; coder has released the next version of pro-tracker 3.698j with support
turbo-sound. please write about any shortcomings you notice on
Dima_Bystrov(at)p48.f77.n5029.z2.fidonet.org
http://scenergy.natm.ru/files//PT3698.RAR
Hello, key-jee
key> If you want more features, is it worth writing even under 6
key> channels AY? because for this purpose an emulator is mostly used
key> with ptts or immediately VT under Windows! I know that from those who write today
key> musicians only nik-o has real hardware with ts.
key>
Worth it. I have a real one, the configuration is in the signature.
key> But run Modplug, FLS, Renoise, Buzz instead of Vortex or Anril
key> not hard at all..
Writing under spec is a special kind of pleasant perversion. I think many are here with me
will agree. And if we talk about a serious approach, then the software you listed
certainly won’t fit, these are toys from the same opera, just for “older children”,
or what...
Hello Mike
Mik> So what? And there are a lot of possibilities. Then let's all go to the beeper, in
Mik> one channel, talent will be revealed.
Mik> In these unfortunate three channels, even a chord - three-tone is normal
Mik> you can’t plug it in - there will be no more votes left (about 7th & 9th and
Mik> I’m generally silent about everything else), and it will sound delusional - C to the left, E
Mik> on the right, salt in the middle
If you want more possibilities, is it worth writing even for 6 AY channels?
because for this purpose an emulator with ptts or immediately VT is used for the most part
under Windows! I know that of the musicians writing today, only nik-o has a real
iron with ts.
But it’s not difficult to run Modplug, FLS, Renoise, Buzz instead of Vortex or Anril
absolutely..