Sid music
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Hello Jerry
jer> has anyone written a player for sid modules for spec
jer>
It will turn out completely “wrong”. Sid is essentially an almost full-fledged synthesizer, and AY
it's just 4 generators (noise does not count) and a ring mod.
Hello Jerry
jer> has anyone written a player for sid modules for spec
This requires an Atari ST with timer interrupts... Or something like that
Turbo sound with support for multiple hardware switches with high frequency
stored "states" (AY registers).
The only music I know that sounds better on the Speck than on the chest of drawers - in
Thundercats toy. Also quite good in comparison are Marauder and Platoon.
Hello new art
new> And pure SID sound on AY is not realistic.
and on GS?
Blum had the following text in the chip player helper:
5. POSSIBLE IMPROVEMENTS CP1.01.
- writing a PLUG-IN for HD - it will be already
in one of the following versions (CP1.0X);
- interpolation and filtering of samples;
- support for HRUST-packed modules;
- organization of PLAYLIST;
- MS-DOS support;
- introduction of hints;
- adding an error handler;
- writing new PLUG-INs;
- it may be possible to support other melodies
formats (SID, AY Pro Tracker, YM); :v2_eek;
-; correction of existing glitches and inadequacies
statkov.
- improvement of the CP shell.
Hello, kyv_triumph
kyv> and on GS?
If you can’t make decent AY emulation, then what can we say about the seed?;)
Hello, psb
psb> if you can’t do decent AY emulation, then what can we talk about the seed?
If we’re not talking about emulation, but about conversion, then it’s quite possible.
AY is even more real.
Hello Jerry
jer> I've heard a lot about how Sid is the best chip, etc., etc.
Well, of course there are good musicians there, but the majority are crap. I AY more
I like it.
Here is a site where you can download all the melodies and players for them and for Winamp at once
plugin
High Voltage Sid [http://hvsc.c64.org/]
Hello new art
new> Can I give you a couple of examples?
God forbid I even remember! :v2_sick;
new>; But tell me, IMP, according to your definitions, what did he write? ;)
Well, what I came across is 50 percent acid, 30 percent “ringing”, 20 percent—you can do that
listen (but it’s better also in a game or demo).
-+------------------------------------------
What's the difference between a typical shitty Mouzon on SID and on AY?
AY-evsky wants to be switched off right away. And SID... well, he’s playing something... well, to hell with
him, let him finish the game. :)
Hello Lethargeek
Let> Perhaps our muzakers’ compositions are indeed more complex, but their
Let> is ruined by the inability (or unwillingness) to tinker with the sound itself (timbre
Let> etc.).
AY simply DOESN'T PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY to 'tinker' with the timbre.
Hello new art
I mean, under ZX :)
Hello, moroz1999
mor> I would buy the software
So XMPlay or Sidplayer don't suit you?
Hello, karbofos
kar> AY simply DOES NOT PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY to 'tinker' with the timbre.
It seems like our muzakers are constantly sacrificing sound quality for the sake of complexity.
compositions. Moreover, many people have problems with balancing volume levels. B
As a result, the “main party” turns into a knock on the brain with a set of abrupt
sounds.
Or is the whole point that they will write it off in the trackers, but the bourgeois firms wrote it on
synthesizer, and only then adapted for AY (and not only), first of all
trying to ensure similarity of sound rather than musical notation?
IMHO, chip music should generally be written in scripts, not patterns.
Hello Lethargeek
Let> ...within one vote.
Let>
Let> It seems that our muzakers constantly sacrifice sound quality for the sake of
Let> complexity of the composition. Moreover, with balancing of volume levels
Let> many problems. As a result, the “main party” turns into poking around
Let> brains with a set of abrupt sounds.
Let>
Everything is simpler IMHO - they wrote under AY, but you listen to it on YM. Not really
nice, by the way.
Let> Or the whole point is that they will write it off in the trackers, and the companies are bourgeois
Let> was composed on a synthesizer, and only then adapted for AY (and not
Let> only), primarily trying to ensure similarity of sound, and not
Let> musical notation?
Let>
I don’t know what the “bourgeois firms” wrote, but I’m not into games on the ZX at all
I don’t remember one good music, to be honest. And here’s how to drag along -
this is only from ours. :cool;
IMHO; “on the tracker” doesn’t really play a role here. As far as I know, basically everything
either copied from somewhere by ear, or first selected on the piano/on
guitar.
Let> IMHO chip music should generally be written in scripts, not patterns.YES, by the way, I see chip music experts have gathered here... :rolleyes; Explain;
why does Dendy sound better and more “mature” than AY? There seem to be the same meanders (and even then
there are only 2 of them), and the leads sound more interesting and without the nasty “meander” ringing.
Hello Lethargeek
Let> It seems that our muzakers constantly sacrifice sound quality for the sake of
Let> complexity of the composition. Moreover, with balancing of volume levels
Let> many problems. As a result, the “main party” turns into poking around
Let> brains with a set of abrupt sounds.
Examples!!
Otherwise it looks a lot like nonsense.
> Or the whole point is that they will write it off in the trackers, and the companies are bourgeois
> was composed on a synthesizer, and only then adapted for AY (and not
> only), primarily trying to ensure similarity of sound, and not
> musical notation?
>
What other synthesizers? Everyone wrote the same thing in the trackers, the trackers are just simpler
were. And someone actually wrote down the notes in ASMA...
> IMHO chip music should generally be written in scripts, not patterns.
What's the difference?
Hello, Electrician
> I don’t know what the “bourgeois firms” wrote, but I’m into games on ZX
> I don’t remember a single good Mouzon, to be honest.
Melodically good or technically perfect?
For example, I'm obsessed with these things:
(meaning title themes)
CJ in USA
CJ's Elephant Antics
Chevy Chase
D.N.A. Warrior
Defcom
Destiny Mission
Deviants
Dizzy 2,4,5,7
Dragon Spirit
F.I.R.E.
Fairlight
Gauntlet 3
Ghouls N Ghosts
Golden Ax
Havoc (bend like on Atati!!)
Hero Quest
Hudson Hawk
LED Storm
Lemmings
Mask
Midnight Resistance
Mortadelo Y Filemon 2 (something reminiscent of KINO :)
Mystical
The Ninja Warriors!!
Platoon
Puzznic
Rambo 3
The Real Ghost Busters
Robocop 1,2,3
Scramble Spirits
Slightly Magic
Smash TV
Sokoban
Solar Invasion!!
Space Gun
Space Crusade
Spellbound
Star Paws
Stormbringer
Stormlord 2 - Deliverance
Stuntman Seymour
Subway Vigilante
Super Space Invaders
Switchblade
SWIV
Thanatos
Thunderbirds
Thundercats
Zone Trooper
The main thing when listening to music from branded games is not to forget to turn on AY, well you should
notice that the music sounds more pleasant in real life. =)
And of course, the acoustics must be appropriate, and not plastic tweeters.
In my opinion, themes from games of that time sound more “adult” or something.
Still, they were not written by schoolchildren (as in our games), but often by already accomplished
guys are professionals.Often musicians were also coders and had their own musical
editors.
Hello, Electrician
> YES, by the way, I see chip music experts have gathered here... Explain
> why does Dendy sound better and more “mature” than AY? They seem to be the same
> meanders (and even then there are only 2 of them), and leads sound more interesting without
> nasty "meander" ringing.
There is a triangle... as a result, tighter bass, bells, etc.
+ PCM channel.
Hello new art
on branded ZX mono sound
Hello, alexeenko
ale> So to speak, a selected collection of remixes. And in a very cool way
ale> performed, just like on Slay Radio.
ale> Those who want to come here please...
These are flowers, but berries... they ask for money for them.
But they are worth it, there is a label that produces such remixes of branded
Mouzons, and the remixes are of the highest quality, recorded in cool studios,
sometimes even performed by a symphony orchestra.
About two years ago I was looking for people willing to chip in for these recordings, but I only found a couple
man. (their albums cost about 20 bucks there)
Hello, alexeenko
ale> Or maybe you can steal the thread? Do you have a website address, ftp?
Well, only if someone uploaded it and torrent or p2p. Which is unlikely.
I'll look for the site one of these days.
Hello, alexeenko
ale> Or maybe you can steal the thread? Do you have a website address, ftp?
Well, only if someone bought and uploaded a torrent or p2p. Which is unlikely.
I'll look for the site one of these days.
Hello, Electrician
> Electroclash (that style), listen, they use chip sounds
> very often.
I downloaded the whole cigarette, it’s cool the Germans are rocking it! Something like a message to fashion and
Ramstein with elements of breaking tweeters, in general not usual.
And most importantly, optimistic German speech. :v2_walkm:
Hello, The Exploited
The> on branded ZX mono sound
Yeah, although some Mouzons were clearly written for Stereo (judging by the corresponding
effects).
Hello new art
new> These are flowers, but berries... they ask for money for them.
new> But they are worth it, there is a label that releases such remixes
new> branded Mouzons, and the remixes are of the highest quality, recorded on
new> cool studios
new> sometimes even performed by a symphony orchestra.
new> About two years ago I was looking for people who wanted to chip in for these recordings, but I found one
new> only a couple of people. (their albums there cost about 20 bucks)
Or maybe you can steal the thread? Do you have a website address or ftp?
Hello, alexeenko
ale> I downloaded the whole cigarette, it’s funny how the Germans rock! Something like a dispatch
ale> fashion and Ramstein with elements of breaking tweeters, in general not usual.
ale> And most importantly, optimistic German speech. :v2_walkm;
Ha; for a snack: http://ifolder.ru/767491
Almost "hello AY", and most importantly fun. :D
Hello, alexeenko
ale> firefly - a mixture of mp3 and creaky sound, this is the first time I’ve heard this
Electroclash (that style), listen, they use chip sounds very often.
Hello new art
new> Do you mean the solo at the end, which is made in a trill?
new> Well, yes, sometimes they go overboard with this, but the ornaments allow it
new> it is far from possible to achieve more diverse sounds on one meander
new> you will leave, even with slides.
However, they often try to “leave” (and harmless “trills” turn into
aggressive brainwashing). On topic: if a couple of hours of “creaky” seed with
Mouzons of average badness can be tolerated, but after an equivalent dose
"melodic" AY will be "bo-bo head" ;)
new> And of course they tried
Where?!
new> And the beeper, by the way, has nothing to do with it, even if ours have nothing to do with it
new> we dabbled, but all this time was spent studying AY.
That's bad! And the beeper itself really has nothing to do with it, the sound has nothing to do with it.
The three main problems of domestic AY music from my (non-musician) point of view:
1. Jerky ringing (trills, staccato dominance, etc.)
2. Poor volume balance (often makes problem 1 worse)
3. Abuse of vibrato/tremolo (when the same thing is constantly buzzing)
new> In general, the topic is deep and interesting, there will be a website soon, that’s all there
new> Those who wish will be able to have a blast.
We are waiting. :p
Hello, Electrician
> Everything is simpler IMHO - they wrote under AY, but you listen to it on YM. Really not
> very nice, by the way.
One horseradish - this is the first thing that comes to mind, compare under the emulsion in different
settings. If only everything could be solved so simply...
new> What other synthesizers? Everyone wrote the same in the trackers, trackers only
new> were simpler. And someone actually wrote down the notes in ASMA...
For example, I read an interview with Whitaker (in some Atarish magazine, I think), and also
someone (it was a long time ago).
new> In my opinion, themes from games of that time sound more “adult”
new> or something.
new> Still, they were not written by schoolchildren (as in our games), but often already
new> accomplished guys are professionals.
new> Often musicians were also coders and had their own
new> music editors.
IMHO, it’s not a matter of being “big”, but of a rich “beeper” past (not counting
other chips like the same seed) of these characters. Beeper is first and foremost
experiments with sound and mixing.
Has anyone ever actively tormented the beeper? That's it... (Wham is
not serious).
new> Let> IMHO chip music should generally be written in scripts, not
Let> new> patterns.
Let>
Let> What's the difference?
Patamushta “is in the patterns of notes, and in the scripts of frequencies” (this is in addition to the obvious
advantages in compactness and speed). I'm exaggerating a little, of course - discussion
capabilities of tracker editors goes beyond the scope of the topic, but it is clear that they
far from covering all the possibilities for bullying AY. I'll keep quiet about
stupid "player" speed limits "every two or three frames".
new> For example, I’m obsessed with these things:
Wow! And also Beyond the Ice Palace, Chase HQ, Cybernoid 2, Elevator Action, Glider
Rider, Night Breed, Robin ot Wood, Shadow Warriors, Xenophobe, Zub... Right now
I also listened to Mystical from your list... the sound is amazing... and, moreover, how
it's simple...
new> Examples!!
new> Otherwise it looks like nonsense.
So, I was deliberately looking for something more or less famous (second place at CC'04 between
other things). Specifically, the “ringing” is the last 25 seconds (I’m not touching on the rest for now). And
This is still far from the most terrible example! And a bunch of Mouzons are almost entirely
that's how it's written...
Damn, why is it that ours on AY have everything that is not acid - so it is certainly jerkyringing and similar “scattering”? And no one even tried to make anything
like Marauder in-game tune for example. Apparently, what kind of computers were running (perversions
on crumble) - that’s what music is. Conceptual thinking. :)
File: SPRLZ4Ev.zip http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=4407
Hello Lethargeek
Let> Three main problems of domestic AY music from mine (non-musician)
Let> points of view:
Let> 1. Abrupt ringing (trills, staccato dominance, etc.)
Let> 2. Poor volume balance (often aggravates problem 1)
Let> 3. Abuse of vibrato/tremolo (when the same thing constantly buzzes
Let> same)
Do you think it’s very easy to write differently in AU?
Hello new art
taste and color
Hello Lethargeek
Let> Damn, why do ours have everything that is not acid on AY
Let> abrupt ringing and similar “scattering”?
Do you mean the solo at the end, which is made with a trill?
Well, yes, sometimes they go overboard with this, but after all, ornaments allow you to achieve more
variety of sounds, you can’t go far on one meander, even with slides.
There are trills in bourgeois music too. Only more neat and appropriate.
Our muzakers often lack harmony.
> And no one even tried to build something like Marauder in-game
> tune for example. Apparently, what kind of computers were running (perversions in bulk) -
> such is music. Conceptual thinking.
Mentality certainly plays a certain role, since almost any bourgeois
you'll recognize the track from the first second.
And of course they tried, but mostly they played along with what they were listening to.
In general, the topic is deep and interesting, there will be a website soon, everyone is there
will be able to break away. :)
And the beeper, by the way, has nothing to do with it, even if ours didn’t play around with it, but
all this time was spent studying AY.
But they didn’t write music because they didn’t make games the same as in the West,
because there was already plenty of such music (as well as games).
Let> Patamushta "in the patterns of notes, and in the scripts of frequencies" (this is in additionLet> obvious advantages in compactness and speed).
Do you want to finally turn poor muzakers into programmers? =)
Check out the FXM format, there seemed to be something script-detailed there, but
I’ll note that this didn’t have much effect on the sound and it’s unlikely that those tracks would have been easier to write.
Hello Lethargeek
Let> On the topic: if a couple of hours of “creaky” seed with average Mouzon
Let> bad things can be tolerated, but after an equivalent dose
Let> "melodic" AY will be "bo-bo head"
I'm not a musician, but it's offensive to hear this.
And it’s not very fair to compare AY with SID, the latter makes it possible to receive
more or less realistic sound, which AY has never been able to do.
But my situation with AY and SID is the opposite; the sound of SID is often similar to
low-quality MODs (I don’t like them), melodies very rarely cut from mine
Russian soul. =)
AY seems to me to have a more electronic sound and themes that are like family, albeit
simple. :)
And I also advise you not to listen to one author, but to alternate at least 3 Mouzons on RND.
Hello, Electrician
> The attached music is of course hack work, but if you don’t take it so much
> bad cases, then this is a matter of taste...
Well, the conversation started with finding out “how many awesome Mouzons there are on AY”... If
this takes prizes... :v2_conf2; (and; still this is not the worst
example, just quite typical).
Hello, Electrician
kar> do you think it’s very easy to write differently in AU?
And who is having an easy time now? ;) "Less is better" (c)
Point 2 is finally entirely on the conscience of the author (however, the best usually cope)
Point 3 is probably a sign of immaturity. (?) Point 1 (besides the frank
lamerism) - because of an incomprehensible (to me) desire at all costs
overcomplicate the composition by cramming a separate part into each voice. It's better
break it into pieces, and in each emphasize its own theme... but this is purely mine
IMHO.
new> And it’s not very fair to compare AY with SID, the latter makes it possible
new> obtaining more or less realistic sound, which AY has never been able to do.
I'm tired of it. Well, at least it doesn't irritate...
Here is an analogy with the innate ugliness of Spekov graphics - some offices
fought against clashing, perverted in every possible way (Creepsoft, Hewson, Topo, Durell),
others immediately gave up on this matter (Opera, Zigurat, Micro-Gen, often
Codemasters). Some people eat this calmly, some people infuriate... :v2_confu;
new>; But with AY and SID I have the opposite situation, SID sounds often
new> looks like low-quality MODs (I don't like them), melodies are very rare
new> cut with my Russian soul. =)Well, I don’t know... my “average disgust scale” (purely in terms of sound) is this:
AY/ours, AY/firmachis and POKEY/Atari800 (there are too few of them), YM/AtariST (it turned out
not everyone uses timers) and SAA/SAMcoupe, SID. Looks like I'm not russian
Basurman soul ;) (on the other hand, if you remember folk songs, it’s also
the question is what the “real Russian soul” likes :p).
new> AY seems to me to have a more electronic sound and themes that are like family, let it be
new> and simple.
For some reason I have bad associations with this “electronic sound”
with a children's synthesizer. :v2_unsur:
Hello Lethargeek
Let> So, I was deliberately looking for something more or less famous (second place on
Let> CC'04 by the way). Specifically "ringing" - the last 25 seconds (not
Let> I’ll touch on the rest for now). And this is far from the worst.
Let> sample! And a bunch of Mouzons are almost entirely written like this...
Let>
Let> Damn, why do ours have everything that is not acid on AY
Let> abrupt ringing and similar “scattering”?
The attached music is of course hack work, but if you don’t take it so bad
cases, then this is a matter of taste... Some people, on the contrary, do not like the other extreme
- a “floating” arpeggiator a la Dendev toys and attempts to imitate delay.
By the way, a very common sound in recent years.
Hello Lethargeek
Let> Well, the conversation started with finding out “how many cool Mouzons are there
Let> AY"... If this takes prizes... :v2_conf2; (and; still
Let> this is not the worst example, just quite typical).
It is precisely because of this that, having listened to AY-compo with, it seems, CC'000, I
I generally stopped paying attention to all the new AY-muson... Plus it slipped
quite often in Spec's electronic magazines that "yes, KSA and Ironman are
very good, but this sound is outdated,” and then it is proposed to do it “in a new way” -
more acid, pseudodelays, etc. People don't seem to understand that KSA's music and
Ironman, IMHO, was the ideal of AY sound - yes, somewhere simple, but very
nice.
Let> For some reason I have bad feelings about this “electronic sound”
Let> associations with a children's synthesizer.
Let>
Yes, too, this race for “real”, “non-AY” sound... Electronics
damn... :cool;
People,; now the average pioneer level of sound for electronic music is something
like this: http://ifolder.ru/785557
Sometimes it is useful to listen to such things just to understand that neither AY, nor SID, nor
Turbo-AY/FM is not capable of producing this even approximately. So all these
newfangled perversions with AY are useless IMHO. :rolleyes:
Hello, Electrician
> here the question is very ambiguous... on the one hand, upgrade and spec,
> and AY are meaningless, because As a result, the PC is not just a synth, but simply good
> sound will still be better.
It won't.
AY emulation is already 10 years old. But it doesn’t reach the reality, so here you go. :)
I love AY for what it is. And I listen to it because it sounds like
sounds. If I want to listen to live music, I listen to it, not look for it
sound in AY.
Hello, Electrician
> People, now the average pioneer level of sound for electronic music
> it's something like this: http://ifolder.ru/785557
I would say that he was the same in the 70-80s. =)
Just listen to: Brian Eno, Klaus Schulze, Jm Jarre, Eduard Artemyev,
Software, GENE...
> Sometimes it’s useful to listen to such things just to understand what AY,
> neither SID nor Turbo-AY/FM are capable of producing this even approximately.
Should they?
> So all these newfangled perversions with AY are useless IMHO.
So maybe we should just use monochrome graphics then, so that there is no familiarity
can you see? :)
> Plus popped up quite often in Spec's electronic magazines
> that "yes, KSA and Ironman are very good, but this sound is outdated", and
> further it is proposed to do it “in a new way” - more acid,
This is a completely natural evolutionary process.
It is enough to trace the creativity for example: Imp'a, Ironman'a, D-Joice, Mmcm,
Key-Jee, Push. And Ksa? So he simply didn’t have time to move to the next level and quit.
Let> Point 2 is finally entirely on the conscience of the author (however, the best are usually
Let> cope) Point 3 is probably a sign of immaturity. (?) Point 1 (besidesLet> outright lameness) - because of an incomprehensible (to me) desire for anything
Let> anyway overcomplicate the composition
I advise you to download VT, disassemble other people's music and try to write your own.
And communicate more with musicians. Everyone has their own path, but you make EVERYONE equal, I
I would say you even lower it. Regarding Debugger, I can say that the person does not
has a musical education, was completely cut off from the scene and its trends. However
I came to what I came to.
Hello new art
Newart:
here the question is very ambiguous... on the one hand, upgrade both spec and AY
meaningless, because in the end the PC is not just a synth, but just a good sound package
they will be better anyway. On the other hand, it’s clear that you still want to improve it a little
favorite toy... Which is more correct is not very clear.
Hello, kyv_triumph
kyv> and also gas, water for three kopecks in a faceted glass and chewing
kyv> elastic band "Strawberry"
You knew! :D
Hello, Electrician
> I also really like AY, but not what they are trying to squeeze out of it
> recent years... And old things from the same KSA are easy to listen to.
and also gas, water for three kopecks in a faceted glass and chewing gum
"Strawberry"
Hello, Electrician
> I also really like AY, but not what they are trying to squeeze out of it
> recent years... And old things from the same KSA are easy to listen to.
In recent years, this has been since 1996? :rolleyes:
Hello new art
new> In recent years, this has been since 1996? :rolleyes;
After; 99-00, rather... :rolleyes:
Hello new art
new> It won't.
new> Well, I love this gurgling, farting and puffing. =)
new>
I also really like AY, but not what they’ve been trying to squeeze out of it lately
years... And old things from the same KSA are easy to listen to.
Yes, by the way, regarding the unusual sound on AY - “Psevdo-Digital” ninety
Shaggy year in terms of interesting sounding has not yet been surpassed IMHO. And what's the most
the main thing is that it is very good as music... :v2_walkm:
Hello, Electrician
> After 99-00, rather...
Exactly? Here is an archive, there is music from 97 (and a little from 96 and 98).
Craving for acid?
File: what is acid.rar http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=4410
Hello, Electrician
> People, now the average pioneer level of sound for electronic music
> it's something like this: http://ifolder.ru/785557
>
> Sometimes it’s useful to listen to such things just to understand what AY,
> neither SID nor Turbo-AY/FM are capable of producing this even approximately.
> So all these newfangled perversions with AY are useless IMHO.
I suspect that such a sit is quite capable (in extreme cases, it’s enough
DualSID, not to mention SIDstation). On AY for voice defects it’s simply not
that's enough (I don't know about TS). But you can probably try to “deceive” your ears...
new> I advise you to download VT, disassemble other people's music and try
new> write your own. And communicate more with musicians.
Where can I get them (time and musicians)... :(
new> Everyone has their own path, but you make EVERYONE equal, I would say even lower them.
The path is different, but the direction has been the same lately. Although the same acid now
has become more interesting - less “flat” or something. But it doesn’t matter when everything is the same and
the same thing - it gets boring. And I didn’t “equal” “everyone”; I wrote primarily about purely
technical flaws in sound in “average” AY-muson, not in the best (which are
not enough).new> Regarding Debugger, I can say that a person has no muses
new> education, was completely cut off from the scene and its trends. However
new> came to what I came to.
You never know who doesn’t have a musical education. ;)
The issue is not with Debugger. Just an example of the dominance of harmful traditions, if at all
then it goes.
Hello Lethargeek
Let> The path is your own, but lately there has been one direction. Although the same acid
Let> has now become more interesting - less “flat” or something.
I wonder who exactly you think is writing acid now?
Fatal Snipe, C-jeff, Key-Jee, Nik-o, S.A.V., Mr.TAD, Factor6, Gasman, Karbofos,
Splinter, Black Fox, Riskej, Scalesmann, Jerrs, Mmcm, Crash, Byker, Ch41ns4w,
Rkluch, Ellvis, Moran, Elph, Kyv, Voxel, Scorpion, Zoom, Yerzmyey, 4Mat, Simon,
Miguel, Rolemusic, Alone Coder, Shiru Otaku, Silent, Wally, Bugsy, Striker?
:v2_walkm;
A; Konami acid? :rolleyes:
Hello, karbofos
kar> What is this? (I poke my nose at the link) - what do you think, sir?
kar> newfangled acid? :)
kar> 1997, by the way
kar>
I listened... If you don't count the middle, then this is in my understanding uh...
beta version of what I'm talking about. :rolleyes:
Hello, Electrician
> After 99-00, rather...
What is this? (I poke my nose at the link) - what do you think this is, sir, newfangled
acid? :)
'97 by the way
AuthorsJaanVivid Themes by JAAN.pt2
^ link to Mouzon in the collection of S. Bulba
Hello, Electrician
my brother KEY-JEE has no musical education....
Hello, karbofos
kar> What is this? (I poke my nose at the link) - what do you think, sir?
kar> newfangled acid? :)
kar> 1997, by the way
kar>
kar> AuthorsJaanVivid Themes by JAAN.pt2
kar> ^ link to Mouzon in the collection of S. Bulba
if anyone is interested, here is the original in .XM, from which I wrote “vivid themes”.. 11
years ago, it’s scary to imagine))
http://web.starman.ee/jaanpht/exprmnt2.zip
Hello, jaan/PhT
jaa> if anyone is interested, here is the original in .XM, from which I wrote "vivid
jaa> themes".. 11 years ago, scary to imagine))
And ALL THESE YEARS he hid it from us!
uuuh I love you! :)
Hello, karbofos
the original is called Experiment II - written by Swallow
used in the demo Vivid Experiment by Doomsday - Assembly'96 3rd place
didn't anyone know about this? =) =) =)
Hello, psndcj
offtop:
does Jaan have original compositions?
Hello Lethargeek
Let> By the way, I recently came across a guy whose music mostly inspired me
Let> at least not annoying - these are ZET/LS/HardwaveCrew (for some reason in
Let> in the vtrd archive it is combined with d-j00ze, judging by the music, these are two
Let> completely different :v2_unsur; person).;
Because this is one person.
There are several Mouzons in the archive, you can trace the “evolution”. ;)
> Alas, this kind of music will always sound better on the seeds...
Like techno+pop+happy hardcore?
But wouldn’t acid just sound better on SID, and pop, and jazz and blues, and
disco?
If you follow your logic, then it is quite legitimate to say that on FM synthesis
the sound will be even better, and in XM format, well, everything will end up in mp3. =)
File: d-juice 1996-2001.rar http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=4433
Hello new art
new> I wonder who exactly you think is writing acid right now?
new>
new> Fatal Snipe, C-jeff, Key-Jee, Nik-o, S.A.V., Mr.TAD, Factor6, Gasman,
new> Karbofos, Splinter, Black Fox, Riskej, Scalesmann, Jerrs, Mmcm,
new> Crash, Byker, Ch41ns4w, Rkluch, Ellvis, Moran, Elph, Kyv, Voxel,
new> Scorpion, Zoom, Yerzmyey, 4Mat, Simon, Miguel, Rolemusic, Alone
new> Coder, Shiru Otaku, Silent, Wally, Bugsy, Striker?
I don’t know what about right now, I don’t have time to listen to everything yet, but I remember them
bad - Fatal Snipe and Moran have a lot of acid (unlike Nik-o
for example). Yerzmyey writes crap that you can listen to without losing concentration
impossible, :v2_wacko; Although; (strangely enough) I recently dragged myself away from him
muses from Egghead4. :D
By the way, I recently came across a guy whose music for the most part made me at least
not annoying - it's ZET/LS/HardwaveCrew (for some reason in the vtrd archive it is combined with
d-j00ze, judging by the music, these are two completely different ones: v2_unsur; person).; Alas,
This kind of music will always sound better on the seeds...
Hello new art
new> Hmm. After such a statement there is nothing to discuss.
You seem to have misunderstood. What I noticed was not “evolution,” but “revolution.”
Up to changing the title style :v2_blink; (although; maybe this is no longer
he?).
new> It's not just about AY (hardware), but also about software. I would be on spec
new> interrupt controller, the sound would be completely different. If you abuse
new> then you can still squeeze a lot out of AY. But there’s probably no point, that’s all
new> people like you won’t notice anything, but will continue to listen to themselves
new> Comador. ;)
Well, I noticed: v2_walkm; (see; attachment) - already mentioned Yerzmyey for
Egghead4. A very interesting sound (of course, adjusted for the traditional one)
this author crap-style). Especially these two moments - even AY to yourself
not similar. :p
Speaking of software, in your opinion, in which tracker can such things be arranged?
bullying?
AY-emul could not gnaw this music out of the snapshot...
(I apologize for the *.wav, I couldn’t create the ay file)
File: Yerz_Eh4.zip http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=4436
Hello new art
new> Because this is one person.
new> There are several Mouzons in the archive, you can trace the “evolution”. ;)
I didn’t notice any evolution (I judge not only from this archive).
It seems that in 2000 he was abducted and replaced by aliens. :D
new> Like techno+pop+happy hardcore?
new> But wouldn’t acid just sound better on SID, and pop, and jazz
new> and blues, and disco?
new> If you follow your logic, it is quite legitimate to say that on FM
new> synthesis will sound even better, but in XM format it will end
new> all mp3. =)
mp3 is absolutely not worth the money, these are not chiptunes... And I’m not talking about the style as such, but
about sound - specifically about a seamless, smooth performance, in other words, “howl” ;)
(the most typical thing I remember is gluk1n'(0mp0s1ng from the Voyager2 disc store). Here
Apparently it’s “in the ears” - you don’t feel the difference as much when you listen to acid,
all sorts of chimes, trills and pop music “two stomps, three slams.” I wonder
why is the most convertible Mouzon from the chest of drawers (afaik) the Commando? ;)
And it’s clear that POKEY will always “creak” better (because the controlled
distorted), SiD will always "howl" better (because there are a lot of things), and AYit will always be better... uh... uh... :v2_conf3; ..A; what exactly? :v2_rolley
Hello new art
In fact, I consider the dispute insignificant - each chip has its own sound, and
music can be perceived in any form. We recently played from the Spectrum
Moran's tracks at the large electronic music festival Sick Fest 3 in Moscow - so
so, people danced to them, but most didn’t care about the rest! Then
they also came up and asked if we had albums ;)
Hello Lethargeek
Let> I didn’t notice any evolution (I’m judging not only from this archive).
Hmm. After such a statement there is nothing to discuss.
Let> and AY will always be better... uh... uh...
Toto and it. =)
It's not just about AY (hardware), but also about software. There would be a controller on spec
interruptions, the sound would be completely different. If you get used to it, you can still use AY
a lot to squeeze out. But there’s probably no point, people like you are nothing anyway
They will notice, and will continue to listen to the komador. ;)
Hello Lethargeek
Why emulate a seed on a spec? Sid is part of another culture, and the character of the sound is
him is different. It may be possible to rip off the general harmony from the old music, but
character cannot be conveyed.
Regarding the "acid" style. There is no such style. There is goa trance and there is acid
jazz.
Only Goa was made on the Spectrum, a resonant filter was emulated on the envelope.
Acid jazz is live music. Sometimes sampled, but all instruments (or
most) are alive.
By the way, there was some friction with Slava - he wants the original midi clave spec
pick it up, and I suggested a sound module - the 48th spec is quite capable of sending commands
by midi to some thread kurtzweil me-1. 256 orchestral instruments are
more than aigrik and seed :)
Hello, research
res> Regarding the "acid" style. There is no such style.
There is a so-called “acid sound”, personally I’m exclusively talking about this...
res> By the way, they messed with Slava here - he wants the original spec
res> pick up the midi keyboard, but I suggested a sound module - the 48th spec is quite good
res> can send commands via midi to some kurtzweil me-1 thread. 256
res> orchestral instruments are more than agrik and side
What does this have to do with chip music?
Hello, scl^mc
res> what you call an acid sound is just loaded
res> bass synthesizers and a resonant filter at the output, i.e. this is not
res> musical style. This one can be effortlessly added to the game, with
res> control via I/O ports.
Yes, I'm all about the fact that it is more difficult for the human ear to notice the difference between quality
two different "tr-r-r-r" than two different "woo-oo-oo". :) Because on AY in contrast
there is so much “acid” from sidor (here, I put quotation marks specifically for the literalists).
IMHO.
res> Trying to drive seeds to spec means growing in breadth. Growing in depth, after all
res> this is the second game and editor for 6 channels.
According to the definition of intensive/extensive, everything is exactly the opposite. ;) Simple
adding channels is just “growth in breadth”. But the search for a new sound on
what exists (and on anything) is “growing in depth.” I think he's an experienced muzaker
(especially a professional) in principle must use all known to him
technical perversions automatically, without thinking. For fans of course
more difficult.
res> and midi can have a good relationship, if not with chip music, then with
res> Spectrum, because on the 1st stone there are 127-256 instruments, in 32 channels, knowres> just give commands. those. Load and percentage is almost no and memory
res> is not required for samples. but this is the same theory as the seed, because
res> no one will do anything :)
So there seems to be a scheme for a midi interface, they wrote in the Paragraph...
Hello Lethargeek
Let> AY-emul could not gnaw this music out of the snapshot...
usually gnaws everything out of *.sna
Hello, research
res> the first post has disappeared, I’ll write briefly:
res>
res> what you call an acid sound is just loaded
res> bass synthesizers and a resonant filter at the output, i.e. this is not
res> musical style.
That's not what this is about. A pattern of one note and a croaking filter has a right to
life, a very pleasant welcome. The point is that in the “new AY music” there is no
melodies. Listen to some Astral Projection, Astrix, something else from
goa-trance... Everything there is much more melodic and varied, regardless of the
"tools".
Hello, scl^mc
scl> from *.sna usually chews everything out
That's it, I figured it out. It was necessary not to drag it from a snapshot, but from a binary memory image.
:v2_blush;
Turned out; still the same favorite stc format. Those two fragments are patterns 6 and 8
(vortex numbering).
File: Yerz_Eh4.zip http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=4439
Hello, research
and midi can have a good relationship, if not with chip music, then with the Spectrum,
because on the 1st stone there are 127-256 instruments, in 32 channels, you only know the commands
give it. those. There is almost no load and no memory for samples is required.
but this is the same theory as the seed, because no one will do anything :)
Hello Lethargeek
The first post disappeared, I’ll write briefly:
what you call an acid sound is just loaded bass
synthesizers and a resonant filter at the output, i.e. this is not a musical style.
This can be easily added to the game, with control via ports
I/O
About conversions: not a single stupid conversion will sound on the spec. You can
rip off the harmony and rhythm, and then write it all again under the aigrik, torturing
timbres and chemicals with channel blocking. Trying to drive seeds to spec means growth in
breadth Growing in depth, after all, this is the second gamer and editor for 6 channels.
Hello, Electrician
> The point is that there is no melody in the “new AY music”.
Nonsense.
Does karbafos have no melody?
Factor6 doesn't have it?
C-jeff doesn't have it?
You can be more specific, at least with authors or years, parties, and not just like that in general.
Hello new art
The most typical ones are MMCM, some Yerzmey... And compare this with the same KSA.
Hello Gibson
Gib> offtop;
Gib>;
Gib> does Jaan have original compositions?
maybe 10% of what is written. And so - “remakes” and “pink”
blouses :)
Hello, Electrician
> The most typical ones are MMCM, some Yerzmey... And compare this with that
> same as KSA.
Yerzmyey has written almost nothing for the last 2-3 years, his music is just as
as specific as the graphics, so the double example is not relevant.
Mmcm has been writing 1 track for the last 6 years...
Besides KSA, can you give me another example of melody? And then the impression is created that how
as if we have not 900 musicians, but 5...
Hello new art
KSA has thoughtful rhythm and harmony. And “filtering” doesn’t really fit in there.
The style is different. And comparing its sound with mmcm is like comparing smokey and
Prodigy. In one case the emphasis is on harmony and rhythm, in the other on timbre and rhythm.