Why don't I like Turbo2+...
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Hello, CHRV
CHR> Please write whatever you want, just interested in opinions
CHR> hear :).
This is a question of whether you decided to recycle it or how. My opinion is this -
remove all unnecessary things and make a slot system (like on a PC). Standard
The kit comes with the usual spec with extended video, but just shove whatever you want into the slots
at will. HDD controller and PC keyboards and mice are better built-in. And so if
this applies to an old car - it’s a well-assembled Spectrum monster :) by
very super at that time: v2_finge:
Hello, CHRV
huge board, I don’t need PC keyboards, mice or disk drives, no need
create another monster in an x86 case, it still won’t work
suitable, you need a simple, easily repeatable toy, for the soul, ide for storage and
for exchanging files ala USB flash format compatible with PC
Hello, All
Please write whatever you want, I’m just interested in hearing opinions :).
Hello fan
Just a few little things:
- two-story memory
- somewhat strange power connector
- capacitors and resistors would like to be SMD
- lack of a mask on the board in my copy (as I understand it, this is already a thing of the past)
- lack of expansion slots.
Otherwise, a wonderful machine.
Hello, CHRV
Due to the fact that video modes are fundamentally not repeatable (with little effort) on
other clones - the subject is a “thing in itself”, read on another computer, not
another ZX clone.
Hello, CHRV
Don't be offended buddy, this is just my point of view, when ATM2 came out I admired it
to them, even though he already had ES1841. You asked - I answered without offense. The car is great but
now she has lost her meaning, choosing from everything new that was born or not, I
I prefer ANT-1024HD
Hello Southern Bear
Sou> Just a few little things:
Sou> - two-story memory
This is of course due to the fact that the design is from 1995. now if you partition it, then all the memory is in
two small ones will fit.
Sou> - somewhat strange power connector
From there, by the way, the connector is the usual ONC-VG 16-7, in all reel-to-reel tape recorders
used before :).
Sou> - capacitors and resistors would like smd
And this depends on the assembler - it’s just more convenient for me to solder wired ones. But at
militar users are smd, the contact pads are designed for both
other.
Sou> - absence of a mask on the board in my copy (as I understand it already
Sou> in the past)
Yes, that’s absolutely true, only the first batch didn’t have a mask - it’s too expensive
it was.
Sou> - lack of expansion slots.
Sou> Otherwise, a wonderful machine.
I agree that there are not enough slots (or rather one slot) to install the GS. All
the rest is on board!
Thank you, here are some sensible reviews from a real user! Immediately visible
the person used and uses the machine...
By the way, I’ll add one more or even two drawbacks - Kempston is not supported
joystick and mouse included!
And it’s also very interesting to hear opinions from those who don’t think this car is a cloneSpectrum, and another computer (although this is strange to hear, since it is supported
even such a feature as reading an attribute via FF, which is available on the native spec, but
almost any clone does not).
Hello, dim
dim> huge board, I don’t need PC keyboards, mice or disk drives,
dim> no need to create another monster in an x86 case, it will work
dim> is still not suitable, you need a simple, easily repeatable toy for
dim> soul ide for storing and exchanging files ala usb flash format
dim> PC compatible
As I understand it, you probably wanted to get into the ZX PALM branch...
Manufacturing a native keyboard (in a serial version) will now cost
the cost is probably half the cost of Turbo2+, and in a single unit, three times more expensive
:).
In general, I highly recommend the laptop + Anreal, and with PC compatibility and everything is there and
any configuration :cool:
Hello fan
fan> Due to the fact that video modes are fundamentally not repeatable (small
fan> efforts) on other clones - the subject is a “thing in itself”, read
fan> another computer, not another ZX clone.
By another clone we mean Pentagon :).
In general, for example, the Alco regime is not very easy to do on Kai or Scorpio
(because they don’t have a second memory line)....
Well, this is a separate question, let’s write more - it’s very interesting, and most importantly
really important!
Hello, CHRV
CHR> ...since even such a feature as reading an attribute is supported
CHR> via FF, which is available on the native spec but almost everyone doesn’t
CHR> clone).
By the way, about #FF - what should be read from it on the curb (consider that according to
I don’t know anything stupid)? From the experience of sitting on a scorpion, I’m used to it being on the curb from there
It says 255, and in the screen there is an attribute of the displayed familiarity - I wrote a definition
the presence of a port and a software gigaskrin with the participation of the port, but when I received the board
ATM 2+, it all stopped working - how is it implemented there (255 on
the border is not readable from it - checked)?
Hello, SAM style
Well, the green coating seems to have been introduced, but I would like it to be like this:
1) holes for PC-AT standard
2) the power connector is not DIN, but AT directly on the board
3) memory on 30-pin SIMM instead of garden 41256
4) integrated PAL coder
from the optional but nice in my opinion:
5) instead of a two-story garden of discrete microcircuits, it would be nice to have a simple PLD
hang;
6) it would be nice to add a bunch of diagnostic LEDs like RAM OK, ROM OK,
CPU OK, etc.
7) add one or two connectors according to the Hemo-Scorpio standard for Turbo Sound and
Turbo Video
8) if possible, cut down the size to make it a little smaller
9) add the ability to raise the turbo from 7 (2x) to 14 (4x) (this is if anyone has
the processor and memory are fast) by replacing some kind of quartz or something like that
In principle, everything seems to be the same. The product is already very good, improvements are needed not because
defects, but due to the fact that time does not stand still
Hello ASDT
ASD> Why shouldn’t the PC be used as a reference point? - These are different categories, and why
ASD> to me
ASD> another box? All sorts of beeches and PDAs are still “in the fog” because of housing prices.
ASD> Hence the optimal size of an “amateur creative computer” :)
And no one suggests making the PC a reference point. Simply the only cheap and
components that are readily available at the moment, i.e. housings, mouse keyboards and
etc. These are PC stuff for now. Don't you like the large body size? Me too
It will be small, but not at the expense of functionality. I'd rather be
use a “big box” with disk drives, HDD, GS, etc. than small with loading from
tape recorder. The optimal size for me is the size that fits everything
hardware that I want to install.
Hello ASDT
Although I am not a user of this computer, I will still speak out,
what I would like to see if I were buying it.
To put it briefly - Sprinter 2000. This is the option that makes sense
strives, the only thing is that it’s time to move away from AT, this standard has already gone into
non-existence, ATX is the de facto standard. Accordingly, keyboard, mouse, parallel
and serial ports, sound, video, etc. should be output in the form of the corresponding
connectors. The only thing that still needs to be added is ScanDoubler to connect
any VGA-compatible monitor. Yes, and in my opinion ADC can be removed, there’s no point in it
still no. Or am I wrong? Does anyone use it? The most correct sound -
this is DMA-Sound, although it is not at all difficult to implement it on PLM, which in principle
It was essentially done in a sprinter, only in its own way. It is possible to provide
processor card, set Z80 - 7Mhz as the base option, and
separately, for those who need it - 28Mhz, etc. Memory is naturally Simm 72-pin.
Naturally, the presence of a Nemo-Scorpion expansion slot is mandatory. And very much not
It would be bad to implement ISA16. Still, there were a lot of such cards, and sounds
and video cards and different controllers and modems and network cards, etc.
Are you daydreaming again? :v2_jawdr; :v2_devil:;
Hello demon_zx
dem> "The mouse must be onboard, this is not even discussed. And the connectors
dem> let's say three ZX, three ISA16, a connector for a processor board."
dem>
dem> why ISA16?
I already wrote - there are a lot of PC sounds, videos, network drives, various
controllers, etc. under ISA16. PCI is already much more difficult to attach.
Hello demon_zx
dem> there are at least two zx-bus slots, for example, I have a mouse per slot and
dem> programmer
The mouse must be onboard, this is not even discussed. And there are, say, three ZX connectors,
three ISA16, connector for processor board.
Hello ASDT
“The mouse should be onboard, this is not even discussed. But let’s say there are three connectors
ZX, three ISA16, connector for processor board."
why isa16?
Hello, CHRV
There are at least two zx-bus Nuno slots, for example I have a mouse for the slot and a programmer
Hello ASDT
ASD> "Please expand the answer, this is not clear to me" :)
ASD> So what is there to unwrap? We must proceed from consumer needs
ASD> properties. It should be a relatively small box.
ASD> Connected devices: keyboards (standard and PS/2), mouse (PS/2),
ASD> RGB output with standard parameters, tape port :).
ASD> 1 "slot" for additional modules (FDD controller, card reader, sound,
ASD> ex.)
ASD> That is. no “coffin” designs, such as AT/ATX, and nothing superfluous
ASD> in the "basic" version.
ASD> You can also formulate different characteristics...
Properties that you see or consumer ones?
For example, many people are asking for a design for ATX or mini ATX - count them
consumers?
Of course, I’m not more interested in the design like what thread is HBOX, but this means it’s necessary
make a special power supply, a special case - i.e. the price will increase significantly (in any case
500 rubles for a new case with a power supply will not work out, as is the case with
ATX).
MiniATX or ITX cases are interesting, but they are still very expensive.
Second, reveal what is superfluous in the base version, or rather, what should be inthe basic version in your vision... (what is superfluous in Turbo2+ is naturally not
forget about the topic).
Third “You can also formulate different characteristics...” - not mono, but nuno
;) .
Hello ASDT
ASD> "Why I don't like it"
ASD> Does not correspond to the “toy-like” nature of the ZX as a computer.
Please expand the answer, this is not clear to me :o
Hello, dim
dim> Don't be offended, friend, this is just my point of view, when ATM2 came out
dim> admired him, even though he already had ec1841. You asked - I answered without
dim> offense. The car is great but now it has lost its meaning, choosing from
dim> everything new that was born or not, I give preference to ANT-1024HD
I will also give it away, but I doubt that it will be put into production...
I am conducting this survey precisely to take into account what is needed in the future, of course.
the design will be on a completely different element base, and where all the wishes come from...
By the way, I would like to hear the following point, since it will be used
modern base, then a “constructor for self-assembly” is certainly not
it will work... Do you need a constructor?
Hello ASDT
ASD> "Please expand the answer, this is not clear to me" :)
ASD> So what is there to unwrap? We must proceed from consumer needs
ASD> properties. It should be a relatively small box.
ASD> Connected devices: keyboards (standard and PS/2), mouse (PS/2),
ASD> RGB output with standard parameters, tape port :).
ASD> 1 "slot" for additional modules (FDD controller, card reader, sound,
ASD> ex.)
ASD> That is. no “coffin” designs, such as AT/ATX, and nothing superfluous
ASD> in the "basic" version.
ASD> You can also formulate different characteristics...
Or maybe then just take the Spectrum 48? This is what it essentially is, a tape recorder
perversion, only the mouse port remains to be attached.
Hello ASDT
ASD> "To put it briefly - Sprinter 2000" This is a utopia, life has proven it
ASD> :)
ASD>
This is the lack of competent management, which led to the lack of software
support and this is in many ways a default on August 17th. But in reality this is one of the most
competent and thoughtful specs.
ASD> "there are at least two zx-bus Nuno slots" I knew this question would come
ASD> :)
ASD> What prevents you from connecting 2 devices to one slot? Probably laziness :)
ASD>
Hit something with a mallet? :) Or again make a garden of fir trees and sticks?
ASD> "Or maybe then just take the Spectrum 48" Again 25 :) If it exists,
ASD> that is.
ASD> We are talking about “new” hardware.
Then maybe the question is this: I would like the 48th only on PLD in a small box
with connectors for keyboard and mouse? And we were talking specifically about a full-fledged version in
big box.
Hello, CHRV
It is possible to provide for the installation of all sorts of “little things” in the housing...
Type of card slot...
Hello, CHRV
"they ask to make a design for ATX"
So what's the question? For example, standard location
ports on the board and holes for mounting - there are the right ones :)
"Anyway, 500 rubles for a new building"
Depends on consumption. So in the store there is a Chinese transformer
costs 150 rubles, plus a plastic box...
In general, the main thing is ideology :)
If we take as a basis that this is a “children’s” computer, then
you need to think in this direction...
Hello, CHRV
“This is a lack of competent management” More likely competition with RS,
on one field, without a chance of salvation...
“Is it possible to hammer something with a mallet?” Gee :) How about converting it to one board, for example?
"Then maybe the question is this: I would like the 48th only on PLD"
Why exactly 48? In the same sizes there will be 256k (minimum),
plus expansion slot...
"And there are, say, three ZX, three connectors" ...
Suede jacket, three pieces, three silver cigarette cases... :)
But really, why?
Hello, CHRV
"Why don't I like it"
Does not correspond to the "toy" nature of the ZX as a computer.
Hello, CHRV
"Please expand the answer, this is not clear to me" :)
So what is there to unwrap? We must proceed from consumer
properties. It should be a relatively small box.
Connected devices: keyboards (standard and PS/2), mouse (PS/2),
RGB output with standard parameters, tape port :).
1 “slot” for additional modules (FDD controller, card reader, sound, etc.)
That is no “coffin” designs, such as AT/ATX, and nothing superfluous
in the "basic" version.
You can also formulate different characteristics...
Hello, CHRV
"To put it briefly - Sprinter 2000" This is a utopia, life has proven it :)
“there are at least two zx-bus Nuno slots” I knew this question would come :)
What prevents you from connecting 2 devices to one slot? Probably laziness :)
"Or maybe then just take Spectrum 48" Again 25 :) If it is there, that is.
We are talking about “new” hardware.
Hello, CHRV
“Why take it for a “children's computer”? There are all sorts of Dendy for that.
This is an amateur creative computer."
"Children's" is in terms of performance :) And so... that's right.
Why shouldn’t we make RS a reference point? - These are different categories, and why should I
another box? All sorts of beeches and PDAs are still “in the fog” because of prices for residential complexes.
Hence the optimal size of an “amateur creative computer” :)
Hello ASDT
ASD> In general, the main thing is ideology :)
ASD> If we take as a basis that this is a “children’s” computer, then
ASD> you need to think in this direction...
Why mistake it for a “children's computer”? There are all kinds of Dendy for this. This
amateur creative computer.
Hello, CHRV
“I personally don’t intend to do this, I want to buy, install and work”
That is direct road to PC :)
And who wrote before - “This is an amateur creative computer.”?
“What if the next designer device appears”
Yeah, annual "upgrade" ... Changing the processor and video card :)
"By the way, Compact Flash has an IDE interface and is turned on instead of IDE-HDD"
Why HDD then? For show-off? :) Why then IDE...
In short, who needs HDD, SD, etc. - go to PC + emulator!
"Guys, let's get off topic...
I’m also interested in what’s unsatisfying about Turbo2+.”
Who asked to expand the answer? :) I’m not happy with the ideology, or rather
her absence... :)
Hello Mike
Guys, let's get off topic...
I’m also interested in what’s unsatisfying about Turbo2+ with regards to hardware and software
things (port configuration, screens)...
Hello, CHRV
CHR> I will also give it away, but I doubt that it will be put into production...
Don’t even doubt that ANT will not be put into production ;) Because it was done
for ironing assembly (but the printer screwed me up...), in short, a constructor for everyone,
but even in this situation there were only three people interested, and only
one (the other day) wanted to collect...
Hello ASDT
ASD> competition with RS,
ASD> on one field, without a chance of salvation...
ASD>
C PC? For what ? They already sell PCs, why would they make another PC? The only one
crazy idea - to make all the software designed for PC, in this case, with
Apparently another PC actually appeared, only underdeveloped.
ASD> How about converting it to one board, for example?
ASD>
If you don't have enough one slot in your PC to install a modem or
Raid controller, will you start resoldering?
I personally am not going to do this, I want to buy, install and work, and not
make a pile of self-propelled guns, snot, wires.
ASD> "And there are, say, three ZX, three connectors" ...
ASD> Suede jacket, three pieces, three silver cigarette cases... :)
ASD> But really, why?
So that when the next designer device appears, which you want to buy and
install it, don’t think about where to plug it in, instead of GS or another copyright
device
Hello ASDT
ASD> You just need to initially focus on less...
Don't understand? How is that ? What, “less” was not enough? Few pentagons, scorpions,
Leningrad, etc. ? WHO needs this less? I don't need it.
ASD> "than small with loading from a tape recorder"
ASD> Take a look at the topic ""Tape recorder" for Speck" ...
I saw it. I don't need that either. I want a regular disk drive or HDD. By the way Compact
Flash has an IDE interface and is turned on instead of IDE-HDD without any
modifications, only an adapter is needed, not an expensive one. So why then these "tape recorders"
for spec”, when everything has been ready for a long time and done better?
Hello Mike
Mik> I saw it. I don’t need that either.
In vain IMHO. A tape recorder is a device that is the most popular for
home PCs. And such a tape recorder will avoid the main limitation
mechanical tape recorder - sequential access to files (unless of course
modify the firmware), and most importantly - minimal software support for such
devices have been available for more than 20 years :)
Hello, CHRV
"I'd rather use a big box with disk drives, HDD, GS, etc. than a small one"
There are no contradictions here, if necessary, the “small” is stuffed into the “big” :)
You just need to initially focus on less...
"than small with loading from a tape recorder"
Take a look at the topic "Tape recorder" for Speck...
Hello, CHRV
"Idiocy. Personally, I have never held a soldering iron in my hands"
So there is CHRV :)
Hello ASDT
ASD> "I personally am not going to do this, I want to buy, supply and
ASD> work"
ASD> That is. direct road to PC :)
Idiocy. Personally, I have never held a soldering iron in my hands, so I need to
drive to PC?
Hello Mike
Mik> I already wrote - there are a lot of PC sounds, videos, network ones,
Mik> various controllers, etc. under ISA16. PCI should be attached already
Mik> is much more complicated.
they already exist in landfills, although I have a familiar blaster on Isa, only
who will support this business programmatically? given the fact that one blaster
You need to program this way, and another way. networkers - and with whom are you thinking online?
connect? ok, connected, what do we do next? controllers - no
which multicards? where are the hdd, fdd, lpt and comas? interesting thing - but why have them?
three pieces on board? 8-) i.e. If you install it, then one Isa16 slot will be enough. A
so there's no point in it.
Hello demon_zx
There is a proposal for a video controller. For example, we write to one port
coordinate X, to another coordinate Y and as a result we get a point on the screen.
It will be possible to significantly speed up the performance of games with vector graphics.
Moreover, it will be very easy to remake games.
Hello ASDT
CHRV, I read the posts here, and the thought “about slots” and “what would
less" ;) - maybe it’s worth applying the ideology of industrial computers? When
The motherboard is passive with a bunch of slots (let’s say for the ATX form factor), and
the computer itself is inserted into the slot (if you want expandability), or it is not plugged in
(if you want it smaller). You can’t do it exactly like that, you can imagine something like this:
whatever.
But, back to the topic...
1) replace the onboard HDC with the same one, but with Nemo ports. (Why several
standards? Moreover, the NedoPC team supports the Nemo controller)
2) remove the onboard AT-keyboard controller, and replace it with ZX-MultiCard by
Caro
3) DAC, ADC can be excluded, or made into a module in a slot.
4) Build the RAM not on 41256, and not on SIMM-30(72), but on static 8x512
5) Replace the ROM with flash.
6) and, probably, replace HL8 with CPLD, or even FPGA.
7) Separate the pins for the PAL encoder so that it can be installed on the board
“sandwich”, and, may bi, do the same with TurboSound.
Otherwise, my impressions of the computer are very good, even at home
I don’t have it (but a friend had it, so I’m familiar with Turbo2+ not from datasheets ;))
Hello, CHRV
This applied to icebear and demon_zx :)
"When the motherboard is passive with a bunch of slots (for example, for the form factor
ATX), and the computer itself is inserted into the slot "
Not bad either!
Hello, CHRV
However, there are reasonable realists...
Hello ASDT
ASD> However, there are reasonable realists...
Realists will have a hard time recording coordinates with X>256, but Turbo2 has such modes.
Hello, Jukov
Juk> For example, we write the X coordinate to one port, and the Y coordinate to another
Juk> and as a result we get a dot on the screen. It will be possible significantly
Juk> speed up the performance of vector graphics games. Moreover
Juk> it will be very easy to remake games.
And I always said - an Amiga blitter and a pile driver are needed (accelerators, roughly
speaking, 2D graphics, there, lines, sprites, filling, transferring areas,
scrolling, etc.)
Hello, dim
http://www.apple.ru/macmini/ the whole world strives to minimize, but we will go
another way? For what? I suggest: take 17x17 as standard in spectrocloning
mini itx, who doesn’t know how to solder will ask a friend, but I need a construction set I love from
formless pieces of iron to assemble a living organism, and if you need a ready-made, complete
I’ll buy the product PS
Hello fan
fan> Don’t even doubt it, ANT will not be put into production For and
fan> was made for ironing assembly (but the printer broke me...), in short
fan> constructor for everyone, but even in this situation there were those interested
fan> only three people, and only one (the other day) wanted to collect...
don’t despair, I have a new printer, more information on how, who to program and
just an open project, I think I’ll recreate it in hardware by the fall
Hello, CHRV
"dead CD drives" And they seem to be quite durable...
Hello, dim
dim> take 17x17 mini itx as standard in spectrocloning
I'm afraid their cases are not cheap (to put it mildly). So it turns out either
a hefty dog coffin, or a “self-published” one made of plexiglass. The only thing
what remains (relatively) standard and cheap are dead CDs
drives. But only recently have they become almost square, and
the board will have to be made ~14x14.
Hello ASDT
ASD> So it turns out either a hefty dog coffin, or
ASD> \"self-published\" made of plexiglass.
Pentagon 1991 Fits perfectly into cases from satellite receivers :) And the view
kosher. You can even put a couple of coolers from “pockets” there
Hello ASDT
ASD> And yet again... Why do we need HDD, FDD, etc. if possible
ASD> focus on the cards and get this done?
ASD> Nobody answered this question...
A counter question is why these cards are needed, or rather the proposed device,
when you already have FDD, HDD and are perfectly supported and used by many? I
I don’t understand this perversion at all with tape loading, which is also
in any case it will be slow, no matter how you look at it. Would you like a miniature card instead?
"huge" HDD? Stick the CF in place of the screw.
Hello ASDT
ASD> And yet again... Why do we need HDD, FDD, etc. if possible
ASD> focus on the cards and get this done?
ASD> Nobody answered this question...
HDD is a sign of an adult computer :) So this is not moral satisfaction
more, although I, for example, am in favor of pissing the HDD (and, accordingly, the controller), only
I would really support the idea of minimizing different IDE standards.
And as an expansion bus in the current world of microcontrollers it would be
It’s interesting to use CAN and you could connect devices ala USB with a thin cord
Hello ASDT
ASD> In short, who needs HDD, SD, etc. - go to PC + emulator!
hmm, why are you not satisfied with the spec-16k? if something goes wrong, go to the emulator!
no need to drive the blizzard :)
if pts is evil ;) then this does not mean that all properties of pts (for example, the absence of e##and
user with a soldering iron, turning the computer into a pile of tin) is a priori evil.
ASD> So there is CHRV
So, we contradict ourselves :) above it was suggested to do this yourself:
ASD> \"I personally am not going to do this, I want to buy, supply and
ASD> work\"
ASD> That is. direct road to PC
dem> then one Isa16 slot is enough
You don’t need a single Isa slot, much less Isa16. in general there is only one
The device I use on Isa8 for spec is a Hayes modem. Practically and technologically
more profitable and, moreover, has already been implemented by Kamil, connecting a modem via
STANDARD com port. That's it, Isa goes to the garden. in general it is Isa (in the absence
Spec tire) is the most annoying thing in a sprinter.
Juk> For example, we write the X coordinate to one port
Or maybe you should also draw lines and use sprites? :) then let's smoke the doc
V9990
Hello icebear
ice> Apparently you didn’t understand me, but oh well. And the tape recorder is mechanical
ice> is not needed now, you're right, but the one that DVS makes is very good.
I don’t see the point in this; I’m more satisfied with my drive. It's better to solder on
the mother is next to the IDE slot for CF, this will be much more useful.
Hello icebear
ice> IMHO in vain. A tape recorder is a device that is the most
ice> popular for home PCs. And such a tape recorder will allow you to avoid
ice> the main limitation of a mechanical tape recorder is sequential
ice> access to files (if, of course, you modify the firmware), and most importantly -
ice> minimal software support for such a device has already been available for more than
ice> 20 years :)
Not for home PCs, but specifically for Spectrum. Amiga is also a home PC, but
Thank God I escaped the tape recorder. The tape recorder made sense in ancient times, when
the disk drive was an attribute of expensive “adult” computers and this technique
greatly reduced the price of the PC. Now there is no point in this, just a mountain of inconvenience.
Hello Dut_Norshi
Dut> Maybe someone (me, for example) is interested in the process of picking (assembling,
Dut> adjustments) in the computer. :v2_rolley
Now, if only some kind of sound could be developed, more or less complex, and assembled, it would
it would be interesting, but I’m afraid I don’t have enough experience, and making a homemade
etched board, without real need, when you can buy ready-made
well made product, I don't like it.
Hello ASDT
ASD> That is. direct road to PC :)
ASD>
And I walk along it beautifully, as well as on the MAC, Amiga and Spectrum.
ASD> And who wrote before - “This is an amateur creative computer.”?
ASD>
ME: And I’ll write a thousand more times.
I'm a musician, not a tinsmith. Although I can hold a soldering iron in my hands, I still solder
only what is really necessary, and not everything in a row because there is nothing to do.
ASD> Why HDD then? For show-off? :) Why IDE then...
ASD>
For convenience and reliability.
ASD> In short, who needs HDD, SD, etc. - go to PC + emulator!
ASD>
You take on a lot, dear, which way and to whom to go. Who needs a nursery?
toy - forward to dandy and Tetris. How do you like this formulation of the question?
ASD> The ideology is unsatisfactory, more precisely
ASD> its absence... :)
Maybe it would be more accurate to say that you are not satisfied with THIS ideology?
Hello Ronin
Ron> hm, why are you not satisfied with the spec-16k? if something goes wrong - march on
Ron> emulator!
Ron> no need to drive the snowstorm :)
Ron> if pts is evil ;) then this does not mean that all properties of pts (for example
Ron> absence of e##and a user with a soldering iron, turning the computer into a pile
Ron> tin) is a priori evil.
Ron>
But why all this e..ya? On the PC it’s as simple as “inserting a floppy disk... and
Nishtayayak! " :v2_thumb;
Maybe; someone (me, for example) is interested in the process of picking (assembling, setting up)
on the computer. :v2_rolley
Hello Mike
Mik> Not for home PCs, but specifically for the Spectrum. Amiga is also homemade
Mik> PC, but thank God I avoided the tape recorder. The tape recorder made sense in
Mik> distant times when the disk drive was an attribute of expensive
Mik> \"adult\" computers and this technique greatly reduced the cost of the PC.
Mik> Now there is no point in this, just a mountain of inconvenience.
You obviously didn’t understand me, but oh well. But the tape recorder is not mechanical now
needed, you're right, but the one that DVS makes is very much so.
Hello, CHRV
"Why are you not satisfied with the spec-16k? If anything"
So if it’s easier to do from 256k, why bother with the blizzard :)
"So, we contradict ourselves"
No. It's just that with a soldering iron it will be... a different person :)
And yet again... Why do we need HDD, FDD, etc. if possible?
concentrate on the cards and get this thing done?
Nobody answered this question...
Hello Mike
but CF would be nice
Hello icebear
ice> Did you find the complete dockets on YMU? :)
There is a good chip with support for MIDI and MP3 - VS1003... There is also an interesting chip
YM721.
Hello demon_zx
dem> but CF would be nice
People are proposing to make a connector for the Northern Fleet in parallel with the IDE.
The guys are completely distracted from the topic...
I'm also interested in the topic of additional modes and features...
And I also think that the controller on the VG93 should be abolished, or rather, it should be done by someone like
Nemovsky - zx-busovsky
Hello Mike
Mik> Now, if only we could develop some kind of sound that is more or less complex and
Mik> to assemble, it would be interesting, but I'm afraid I don't have enough experience, eh
Mik> sculpting a self-propelled gun on an etched board, without a real need
Mik> when you can buy a finished, high-quality product, I don’t
Mik> I love you.
There is an idea to install a standard good sound and it is possible even with MP3, but it is necessary
see how much it will cost!
Hello icebear
ice> Apparently you didn’t understand me, but oh well. And the tape recorder is mechanical
ice> is not needed now, you're right, but the one that DVS makes is very good.
In my opinion, you don’t even need a virtual built-in one. In general, mafon in any form
this is already a relic, so for the revival of archival records. All images of the tape,
stored PCs in the form of files must be programmed on Specky from the hard drive
process.
In general, a computer needs a good video subsystem; without it, it’s still
will remain crippled. And ideally there would also be a data bus of at least 16 bits, but this is from
the field of fiction :) .
Hello icebear
CHR> And I also think that the controller on VG93 should be abolished, or rather, done by someone
CHR> you need the Nemovsky type - zx-busovsky
I agree 100%!
But then we will have to accept the concept of an industrial company. ;) "On board" leave HDC,
Keyb, Mouse, rs232, lpt, RGBVideo... And one zx-bus connector, in the form of lamellas...
If the powder is removed in CPLD, we get a very compact size.
Take the FDC overboard. Sound & PAL-coder, as already said, for installation
“sandwich”... Good sound, IMHO, it’s better to combine it with the GS and insert it into the slot.
Hello Mick
Mic> In my opinion, you don’t even need a virtual built-in one. In general, mafon in
Mic> in any form this is already a relic, so for the revival of archival records. All
Mic> tape images stored on the PC in the form of files must be programmatically located
Mic> Process specs from hard drive.
The costs are not justified. Portability - zero. The tape recorder already has a built-in
support, portability between any clones - 100%. Tape recorder software
just upgrade it to support the catalog system and you will be happy.
Hello, CHRV
CHR> There is an idea to install a standard good sound and perhaps even with MP3, but
CHR> we need to see how much it will cost!
Did you find the complete docs on YMU? :)
Hello, CHRV
It was a good idea - a minimal processor for a slot...
No one is suggesting throwing out the existing ZX...
Hello icebear
ice> The costs are not justified. Portability - zero. The tape recorder already has
ice> built-in support, portability between any clones - 100%. Software
ice> of the tape recorder should be modified only to support the catalog system and
ice> there will be happiness.
Now you yourself will be working with mafon, with this archaism - it’s unlikely. Well even
if you really want to, you can just like vg93 - in its slot: v2_crazy; .;
Hello Mick
Mic> Now you yourself will be with mafon, with this archaism, it’s unlikely to work.
Mic> Well, even if you really want to, you can do it like vg93 - in its slot :v2_crazy;
Mic>; .
It seems to me that support for DVS-mafon needs to be done, since it’s still a microcontroller
needed to control the keyboard/mouse/good sound/flash drives... and if you take
The microcontroller is fatter, why not transfer the functions of the mafon to it, and the images
As correctly noted, just take it from the hard drive and throw it into memory
microcontroller...
By the way, if the processor operates in 21 MHz mode (3.5x6), then loading at
using a mafon, it will be 6 times faster (and an analog circuit - well, maybe
leave it as a relic - fortunately, it essentially needs contact).
Hello icebear
ice> The costs are not justified. Portability - zero. The tape recorder already has
ice> built-in support, portability between any clones - 100%. Software
ice> of the tape recorder should be modified only to support the catalog system and
ice> there will be happiness.
Or throw it the fuck out along with the tape recorder port and make it human
file system for the spec with a catalog system, etc.
Antiques are good where they have rarity.
Hello ASDT
ASD> Ah... it’s clear, some people are scared by the words “tape recorder” Gee-gee-gee :)
No, no one is scared - I personally loaded it from a tape recorder 10 years ago. But
after waiting 5.. minutes, and then it’s a bummer, and loading first - no, that’s not enough.
Although I spent a year in RK-shki with a mafon. But time does not stand still.
ASD> We can solemnly not rename it - sequential
ASD> mega-bus for removable drives of infinite capacity :)
Such drives are called streamers. So you can rename - one
bullshit.
Hello jdigreze
jdi> ... But the method of connecting to Spec needs to be thought through. It's not like that
jdi> simple.
What is there to think about, the entire port is connected to the keyboard controller (ZXMC), that is,
tape recorder bit.
You install ATMega162 (it is compatible with ATMega8515 legs), connect the card
CD/MMC.
Everything else is done programmatically.
Hello caro
car> What can you think about, the entire port is connected to the keyboard controller (ZXMC),
car> that is, a bit of the tape recorder.
car> Install ATMega162 (it is compatible with ATMega8515 legs), connect
car> CD/MMC card.
car> Everything else is done programmatically.
In general and in general yes!
Okay, in the next thread we will test the hard-taper in all possible configurations. A
Then we’ll start merging with ZXMC. You will get a masterpiece of thought! :v2_clapp:
Hello Mick
Mic> But after waiting 5.. minutes, and then it’s a bummer, and first there’s no loading
Mic> that's enough.
Has this ever happened in emulation? ;)
It's a bummer when the recording on the tape is bad, and in the case of hard-taper
This cannot happen in principle, since there is no tape. But 100% compatibility with
all possible and impossible clones and originals. So brush this one aside
the method, IMHO, is stupid, especially since there is no need to invent anything new.
But the method of connecting to Spec needs to be thought through. It's not that simple.
Hello ASDT
Can anyone please provide a diagram for cutting CF if there is one?
Hello jdigreze
jdi> In general, yes!
jdi> Okay, in the next branch we'll test hard-taper in all possible ways
jdi> configurations. And then we’ll start merging with ZXMC. The result will be a masterpiece
jdi> thoughts! :v2_clapp;
I; only for!
Hello, CHRV
car> Everything else is done programmatically.
car>
Only if the second Spec is used perhaps?
Hello, CHRV
"Such drives -"
The difference between a bus and a drive is equivalent to that between a Mick and a dunce.
Hello, CHRV
“But the method of connecting to Spec needs to be thought through. It’s not that simple.”
So maybe create a thread just to “think about” this moment?
Hello, CHRV
CHR> Another clone means Pentagon :).
CHR> In general, for example, the Alco regime is not very easy to do on Kai or on
CHR> Scorpio (because they do not have a second memory line)....
CHR> Well, this is a separate question, let's write more - it's very interesting, and
CHR> the main thing is really important!
A second line of RAM is not needed for AlCo mode. He is on Kaya and Scorpio
difficult to implement for other reasons: some have a different layout and screen format,
Scorpio - the same thing plus the brakes of the opaque video processor. But on
everything works well in the Pentagons. In the new version of my clone this mode
supported
Hello NovaStorm
Nov> Regarding the form factor: ATX power supply is still probably
Nov> is preferable, as it is compatible with ITX, and if desired, you can take it
Nov> for AT.
of course it is :) but the price of $100 is already... :mad;
A; so of course it’s cute, I liked this one better,
Picture: http://www.pcnews.biz/data/images/hardware/noise_pc/noise_pc.jpg
but somehow they are all damaged...
Hello NovaStorm
Nov> I saw it somewhere on the 20th. Because there is little iron and a low-power power supply - yes
Nov> what to save on. The most important thing is that if it is compatible with ATX, it is worth it
Nov> adjust board dimensions and fasteners.
what are we talking about! If you're going to make a board, then the ATX form factor doesn't interfere with it.
use the same connectors for LPT sound, keyboard, mouse, and dead motherboards from peecee
in bulk ;)
Hello, breeze
I saw it somewhere on the 20th. Because there is little iron and a low-power power supply - there is something to
save. The most important thing is that if it is compatible with ATX, it is worth adjusting the dimensions
boards and fasteners.