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Hello, Maksagor
> You just don’t smell the truth
:) in my opinion, after purely drug-addicted conversations about the “chimera” and the “critics” type
ATM" is not about anything specific from the side of the "blackened cat" some people start
nervous breakdown And people are trying to respond to the drug addicts' nonsense.
I wonder what result is expected in response?
After my post, I expect that some people will come to their senses and not
continue to pollute the forum with garbage.
Hello, CHRV
"All domestic clones are hardware emulators"
Gee... Ie 2 pcs. TM2 hardware emulator TM8 :) Gee-gee-gee...
“The competitor has left the fuck out of the market where there is no money but a lot of balabols!”
Allahu Akbar! :)
But in fact...
usefulness of "xBIOS ROM + VG93 emulator" for everyone:
1) Can this be considered an alternative implementation of trdos, or is it a hack of trdos?
2) Could it become the basis of "ZXfreeDOS/openDOS"
3) Application on other clones and for other “devices”
Hello icebear
ice> But now we can wait for ZX<>VGA and Turbo 3?
Exactly. Focused development of Turbo 3, top-down compatible, begins
with Turbo 2+. Although bare Turbo 2+ boards will still be available for purchase from
me, but they will no longer be assembled.
Hello fan
> and here he didn’t bake at all. And I believed you...
This is not about ATM, but about the fact that when there is no certainty, and even more so when there is
the desire of individual comrades for certainty to never exist is very easy
sell anything under the Speck brand that was not even close to it (this
not about ATM).
> In my opinion, everything that you wrote in “Chimera”, and where you are from
> you make your own secondary conclusions - on your own, an attempt at something
> analyze something, interesting and, but essentially - from the point of view
> truth is only your subjective point of view
Everything related to analytics in the “Chimera” topic - everything has a logically coherent,
consistent, interconnected structure. And most importantly - everything is very easy
tested in practice, which is a criterion for the scientific nature of any theory.
Subjective points of view are the points of view of “so-called opponents”,
because there are still no real, substantiated arguments against
introduced. Moreover, all arguments against come down to banal insults
which is much more consistent with your definition of “stupid criticism.”
> In general, I’m just interested in critical reviews about ATM. I talked with CHRV about this topic. His answer is that ATM will not develop anyway
the proposed direction.
> wait, I’ll answer your megapost
If it’s like last time, then don’t, I’m sorry for your wasted time and place in
topic. If you want to really understand it, then you need to think, think and think.
Unfortunately, few people consider this necessary for themselves - it’s easier to get lost in
a cackling herd, as if an increase in the number of ignoramuses could change
laws of physics. If you are going to answer, it’s better to do it alone
statements - and it won’t take you time, and it’s easier for me to keep the topic on track
correcting single deviations from the topic.
Hello icebear
ice> But now we can wait for ZX<>VGA and Turbo 3?
Now everything is falling into place, all attacks on ATM are just sabotage
in order to speed up the release of the VGA converter: v2_devil; :v2_lol:;
Hello, scl^mc
OFTOP (kazhytstso): ATM turbo 2+ - ruleszzz!!!
All producers of reals are crosafchegi! :v2_clapp:
Hello, scl^mc
scl> and not “Plato is my friend, but the truth is more precious” case?
Exactly!
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> "Socrates is my friend, but truth is dearer.."
and not “Plato is my friend, but the truth is more precious” by chance?
Hello, bigral
CHR> The competitor has left the market where there is no money but a lot of balabols!
Well, damn, I was left without a New Year's gift to myself... :( :( :(
Hello, scl^mc
scl> and not "plato
True :) But the coolest thing is that Plato also turned out to be right in this story :)
Hello, scl^mc
scl> well, damn it, I was left without a New Year's gift to myself... :( :(
scl> :(
And you urgently talk to Roman: maybe he’ll collect one scarf for the sake of exception. Them
Moreover, there will still be bare boards.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> No. I would be more pleased if ATM developed as Spec, and not in
Bla> side of increasing incompatibility, especially as such development
Bla> is possible. Nothing personal - “Socrates is my friend, but truth is more precious..”
And who’s stopping you from doing it yourself if you’re so smart :)
Hello, scl^mc
scl> I will not be able to assemble a normally working one from a bare board and spare parts
scl> thing... I've never been particularly friendly with this kind of technology in particular
scl> and with the technology of collecting electronic devices in general.
scl> I asked the novel about the amount of the collected fee
scl> atm + ts + set of loops in light of recent events, but no answer
scl> received. :( and the amount is important, because it will determine the time during
scl> which I can collect this sum
I asked you to wait for an answer, but the amount is known.
Unfortunately, I clearly decided not to collect Turbo 2+ boards anymore (except for one
order already paid for previously, and a prize for the TI competition). Therefore there are no exceptions
there won't be any, please excuse me.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> That's right :) But the coolest thing is that Plato also ended up in this story
Bla> is right :)
so Aristotle's phrase, reflected in your attitude towards atm, turned out to be less
the truthful views of Plato (=Maxagoras). thereby you confirmed that your
the views are further from the truth than the views of Maxagor: v2_lol;
>; Moreover, there will still be bare boards.
I won't be able to assemble a normally working thing from a bare circuit board and spare parts... I
I have never been particularly friendly with this type of technology in particular and with the collection technique
electronic devices in general.
I asked Roman about the amount of the collected fee atm + ts +
a set of cables in light of recent events, but did not receive a response. :( and the amount
is important, because it will determine the time during which I can collect this amount
Hello, CHRV
CHR> Therefore, there will be no exceptions, please excuse me.
ugh, ugh... :( :( :( :( :( late as always...
noon, this Spectrum... noon, that's all... without real life it's boring... there's nothing to create
I will... probably
Hello, scl^mc
scl> ugh, blah... :( :( :( :( :( late as always...
scl> noon, this Spectrum... noon, that's all... it's boring without real life... creating
scl> I won't do anything... probably
Boo-ha-ha! I have a similar problem. I sat and soldered and here it was, it seemed! And then
Something with the disk drive and everything will collapse. Well, I threw one Speck on the shelf, the second one in
cabinet, placed two keyboards on top, which were successfully “separated” from the Spectrum,
I think, damn, why do I need Speck, it’s just a mess.
Oh, I still can’t put my finger on it, it’s probably a cool computer.
I'm making a website regarding Scorp repair. In any case, I will describe step by step what
made it myself, prepared a lot of illustrations that need to be systematized and
process. The text has been written. I really hope for a response and help from knowledgeable forum members (with
site there should be a link to zx.pk.ru in a special section), because the problem
Spectrum repair has always existed, right?
Hello, scl^mc
ask CFU or someone else to collect pent1024
Hello Vovoi
no, I just wanted a new reality. the best there is at the moment
Hello, scl^mc
Let KOE build you pent1024sl v.2, I'll change it to ATM2 if everything is fine
will work. Honestly!
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> It is possible, but you will have to wait a long time, because there is free time
Kin> is missing.
While you wait for a long time, anything can happen, even another default.
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> It has a direct "Pentagon" scan...
What does not correspond to the television standard cannot be called
"straight". No matter how much you want it!
Hello Titus
Tit> Admirers of software (mainly games and
Tit> dem), written for the Spectrum, which has iron (especially some
Tit> new) no need :v2_walkm;
A; if they make new games with new ZX compatible screens, really
will you refuse? :)
Hello Titus
mor> you need to give a person an engine, let him publish a newspaper.
qhts to help :D
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> "Ideologies and concepts in the light of platform development."
> In this regard, the naive simplicity and uncriticality of k
> ZX-myth-creation of some people, who ardently prove it
> the existence of certain achievements in the development of the ZX platform, for example in ATM,
> although nothing but miserable attempts to sell opportunistic chimeras into
> clones from the subfamilies were not observed. (
> more about subfamilies
Hello, Maksagor
> Moderators: it’s high time to move both this thread and the thread with the “chimera” to
> flame.
Can it be banned immediately?
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> That is. if desired, the worm at its individual level can
Bla> develop into an elephant? :) Okay, let's not argue about abstract topics, huh
Bla> then it’s not far from the meaning of life :) . Still a debated question about
Bla> ZX, has a narrower specialization than the meaning of life :).
At its level, the worm goes through a certain development path, adding grains
experience into the global Universal information structure: v2_wink2;
What; As for the ZX, it, as a subspecies, has long ago lost almost all positions more
progressive currents, and supports its existence from iron
only in a narrow circle of amateurs and fans.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> The basis of the ideology of the development of all living things - growth and reproduction, or what
Bla> consumption of certain foods is mutually reversible.
This is more like the ideology of a cancer cell or virus: v2_jawdr;
Main; the ideology of all living things is development, both at the individual level,
and at the global, universal level.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> These are the ones who have gathered here, so we can conditionally assume that
Bla> here is a microverse with a single computer platform - ZX :).
And also fans of software (mainly games and demos) gathered here,
written for the Spectrum, which doesn’t care about hardware (especially any new one)
need :v2_walkm:
Hello, Maksagor
You need to give a person an engine, let him publish a newspaper.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> The goal is to figure out what can be called Spectrum, where is the line, crossing
Bla> which Spectrum ceases to be such, well, ideally I would like
Bla> still figure out how to develop the Spectrum so that it remains at the same time
Bla> by yourself.
Damn, this is corny. There is no need to complicate everything, let's build a simple logical
chain:
Spectrum is, first and foremost, written software. The software runs on some machines, and not
goes to others. Software is written by people, which means it’s people, guided strictly
individual set of considerations determine under what hardware the software will be
to go, and under which not. Hence the simple conclusion - everyone has the concept of "Spectrum"
absolutely my own, so coming up with multi-page concepts is an idea
meaningless.
Today's software on the Spectrum is enthusiasm, and only a fool would try
force an enthusiast to do something that is not interesting to him.
Try to better predict how popular this or that feature will be, and
try to derive these “conditions of demand”.
Hello, Maksagor
> Anyway, everyone who really understands something and really does something
> they left here a long time ago...
Is the goal of the topic to develop and produce ATM-4? The goal is to figure out what is possible
call it a Spectrum, where is the line, after crossing which the Spectrum ceases to be such
maybe, well, ideally I would also like to figure out how to develop the Spectrum so that it
at the same time he remained himself. In order to understand these issues, it is not
you need to delve into the problem to the micro level - under a microscope these questions are like
If you can’t decide, you need to distance yourself a little and look from afar -
at the macro level. The existence of drawings of the Nazca desert cannot be noticed when looking at them
walk, but you can clearly see it from above. The situation is the same in these matters.
Therefore, no matter how good a programmer or electronics engineer you are, here it is
will not be useful to you and does not play a decisive role, because I have to operate here
not microcells or logical elements, but concepts, ideologies and
platforms. And if this is not familiar to you, then say that it is not necessary
discussing it because you are too lazy to understand it looks very absurd.
By and large, the forum is voluntary, if you are lazy, don’t read.
Hello, moroz1999
mor> Today's software on the Spectrum is enthusiasm, and only a fool would be
mor> try to force an enthusiast to do something that is not interesting to him.
And I am of the same opinion :) It is more reasonable to attract enthusiasts with an interesting idea, and
not by establishing cane discipline, which is what some are trying to accuse me of
:). But in order for an idea to take off, it must first be positioned - so that
immediately into the top ten, and not into the “milk”. And for positioning you need to do it right
figure it out.
mor> Try to better predict how popular this or that will be
mor> another feature, and try to derive these “conditions of demand”.
:) I'm not an astrologer :) You can only say about features how consistent they are with
ZX ideology, everything else depends on those who use these features. G.S.
for example, it does not contradict the ZX ideology, but will it become the same standard as
I can't say NemoBus.
Hello Titus
Tit> supports its existence from the iron side only in a narrow circle
Tit> lovers and fans.
These are the people who have gathered here, so we can roughly assume that here
microverse with a single computer platform - ZX :).
Hello Titus
Tit> The main ideology of all living things is development, as at the level
Tit> individual
That is If desired, a worm at its individual level can develop into an elephant?
:) Okay, let’s not argue about abstract topics, otherwise we won’t get to the meaning of life
far away :) . Still, the question under discussion about ZX has a narrower specialization than
the meaning of life :) .
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> That's the point, to create new modes that are easy to use
Bla> would be to port the games. It is considered bad form to suggest, for example
Bla> refuse TR-DOS, because all software has already been converted for this system
Bla> and it took 5 years of work by hundreds, or even thousands of people, but at the same time
Bla> time, without hesitation, they easily offer to attach it to Spec
Bla> absolutely alien v9990 screen under which anything is generally impossible
Bla> convert, but only do it again. The question is, where is the sane
Bla> meaning and logic?
There is also no particular common sense or logic in converting and porting games.
In the case of the Spectrum, this is one of the creative ways
self-expression/self-affirmation.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> And if they make new games with new ZX compatible screens, really
Bla> will you refuse? :)
There is only one ZX-compatible screen, a standard one :-)
But I won’t refuse, even if the screen is different, but supported in emulators. Only
what's the use of making new modes for which, at best, they will write (ah,
Most likely, at most they will port) one or two games.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> After all, the final goal is not to be a graphomaniac, but to come to something
Bla> conclusions-solutions.
to which ones? Is it really not clear to anyone else that Spectrum exists only
fans? and the fan will not do “what is correct”, he will do “what is more
like it" because he's a fan, not a salesman, that's all. then why do it
any conclusions and solutions?
Hello, moroz1999
mor> if a person likes the idea of attaching v9990 to Spec, then there is no point
mor> dissuade him
This is not for fans of v9990, this is for Titus - by type - what a cleverly made screen
should make the transition easier, not more difficult.
And a newspaper, of course, is a good thing, but a live dialogue is more beneficial. Anyway
The ultimate goal is not to be a graph-maniac, but to come to some conclusions and solutions.
Hello Titus
Tit> But what's the use of making new modes for which, at best,
Tit> they will write (and, most likely, at most, port) one or two games.
That’s the point, to create new modes that would be easy to
port games. It is considered bad form, for example, to suggest refusing
TR-DOS, because all the software has already been converted to this system, and it took 5 years
the work of hundreds, or even thousands of people, but at the same time, nothing doubtful with ease
they propose to attach to the Spec a completely alien screen v9990 for which
It is impossible to convert something, but only to do it again. The question is where
common sense and logic?
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> but at the same time, without hesitation, they easily offer to screw it to
Bla> I have a completely alien v9990 screen for which it is generally impossible
Bla> convert something, but only do it again. The question is where
Bla> common sense and logic?
Didn't you read my post well? or did I write it poorly?
if a person likes the idea of attaching a v9990 to a Spec, then there is no point in it
dissuade, because this is the engine of his enthusiasm. better go code :)
Hello, moroz1999
mor> and the fan will not do “the right way”, he will do “the right way
mor> like it better"
There are different fans, some that are “correct” and some that you “like better”, and even
those who like to draw conclusions :).
mor> then why make any conclusions and decisions?
Then why do anything at all - we’ll all die anyway :) .
Hello, moroz1999
mor> what is the ultimate goal of your reasoning?
Bla> The goal is to figure out what can be called Spectrum, where is the line, crossing
Bla> which Spectrum ceases to be such, well, ideally I would like
Bla> still figure out how to develop the Spectrum so that it remains at the same time
Bla> by yourself.
I already wrote :(
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Then why do anything at all - we'll all die anyway :).
Okay, in short, what is the ultimate goal of your reasoning?
Hello, moroz1999
mor> hmm. OK then. I wish you then successful clarification and, as a consequence
mor> fruitful development of the platform :)
Yeah, let him figure it out, figure it out and figure it out. And we will be here on the platform
develop. Sami. :)
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> :) ATM is not a platform yet, but just a subfamily, but if you
Bla> even if you develop it to a new platform, it will no longer be
Bla> ZX platform.
And I didn’t claim the opposite. Just like the ZX-128 is also not a platform at all,
but only a subfamily of Spectrums in general, since there is much more in the world
the number of ZX-48s that will not support 128Kb programs. Well, until the new one
No one is going to develop the platform (this phrase is generally nonsense).
> I have nothing against your creativity
I'm glad.
> but personally I am more interested in the ZX platform.
Me too. And only her.
Hello, Maksagor
> Just like the ZX-128 is also not a platform at all, but only
> subfamily of Spectrums in general, since there is much more in the world
> number of ZX-48s that will not support 128Kb programs.
ZX48-128 is not two platforms, but one Original ZX platform that we inherited
after the death of Sinclair Research Ltd. There are no extensions of the ZX128 relative to the ZX48
bear signs of a new platform, they can only be classified as
add-ons over the base platform that are part of this platform. Just like
later for the xUSSR ZX platform such add-ons became the TR-DOS disk system
and NemoBus. That you don't want to understand the platform hierarchy
leads to your disorientation - you just don’t understand how everything relates and
so you end up in trouble over and over again.
> Well, no one is going to develop to a new platform (this phrase
> generally nonsense).
Again: ATM already has signs of a new platform - these are its new
screens and a memory manager that differs from the standard speed. So
There is no nonsense in this, there is your misunderstanding of the situation.
Hello, Maksagor
> And here we will develop the platform. Yourself.
:) ATM is not a platform yet, but just a subfamily, but if you still
develop to a new platform, then it will no longer be a ZX platform. Nothing against
I don’t have your work, but personally I’m more interested in the ZX platform.
Hello Shaos
Sha> ZX-128 - development of other people
If you still got acquainted with the history of ZX (at least
http://zxnext.narod.ru/index.htm ), then I would have known that when selling Sinclair
Research Ltd., the rights to both the ZX48 and ZX128 were transferred to the new owner. Why
would never have happened if they were not owned by Sinclair Research Ltd. Those.
Legally, the ZX128 is a development by Sinclair Research Ltd. Or do you think that
Did Sinclair develop computers himself? :) Then you really have something
"with the ability to think logically" :) .
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> ZX48-128 is not two platforms, but one Original ZX platform,
Bla> inherited from us after the death of Sinclair Research Ltd. ZX128 extensions
Bla> regarding the ZX48 do not bear signs of a new platform, they can be
Bla> classify only as add-ons on the base platform
Bla> that are part of this platform.
ZX-128 - the development of other people (not directly Sinclair Research), more
moreover - made in another country (Spain). If switching cans is for you
memory, music coprocessor, start menu and new BASIC with letter-by-letter
input "do not bear signs of a new platform", then with the ability to logically
your thinking is not all right... :rolleyes;
By; in my humble opinion, the ZX-128 is no longer a Spectrum, but a dying attempt
SinclairResearch using someone else's hands to stay afloat a little longer.
Hello, SAM style
SAM> was a foreign spec device back then. And then YYT - and took root, became
SAM> standard. Where is the fracture?
Well, first of all, he was never alien. If you don’t know, NemoBus is a bit
modified ZXBus. But there really was a turning point when everyone who wanted
connect the HDD began to mount NemoBus for themselves, and the developers began to make
controllers for it, and subsequently transfer them to new mothers. Developers and
manufacturers immediately appreciated the benefits of standardization (do it according to the standard and
the demand for this will not be limited to one clone, and mass production is more profitable
single) and that’s how it stuck. And now not a single sane developer
will begin to invent something of his own.
Hello, Black_Cat
lam> forum participants from the what is speccy thread write there directly from cash
:v2_lol:
Hello, psndcj
psn> MODERS!!! kill the topic!!!
psn>
psn> if you disagree, let's have a vote =)
I suggest moving it to flame...
Hello, The Exploited
The> disagree. I am against censorship
What does censorship have to do with it? Everything will remain on the forum. Simply by its content
this discussion has no value as "Iron". This is a typical flame. To this section
she cares too. Those who wish, in accordance with freedom of speech, can continue
chat there.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> If you want to get answers, stick to the topic, Max’s “insanity,”
Bla> Romana", as well as what I know, or not, how and what will happen is off topic
Bla> applies. And if you want to make fun, do it somewhere else, same thing
Bla> also applies to Maxagor. There will be no answer to your teasing.
F-u-u-u-u, great-a-active! I won’t talk to you guys!
No need to. I sometimes indulge in literary hyperbole (consider it as
jerk off as much as you want. I won't argue. Maybe it is so). But here are my words about
lameness, basic ignorance of the Spectrum (not even ATM - this was already clear to me
long ago, and other clones, and just Spectrum) and the delirium of recent posts is
specific, serious accusation.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> The development of ATM-3, as far as I know, is only planned.
It's already started. We do not report to the people every day about the degree of readiness of the project.
obliged. And 2+ continues to develop in terms of software and firmware.
> Criticism can be creative if it warns against misconceptions.
> You know the saying: “A friend is not the one who sweetly flatters the eyes, but the one who
> can tell the truth, albeit bitter." (I’m not trying to make friends :) )
And besides, you don’t relate to those who “know the bitter truth.”
> The development of ATM-3 is carried out by CHRV, I am not involved in it and slow down
> I can’t, unless CHRV took into account the “criticism” now
> is remaking the ATM-3 again, but as far as I know from his statements
> development has not started yet.
It has begun. Moreover, long before the sale of assembled boards was stopped.
This time. Secondly, ATM3 will be fully compatible with ATM2+, which means
will save all its modes.
> Yes, but ZX platforms, not just any platform, and development, not destruction
> under the guise of development.
I agree. We develop precisely: carefully, slowly, maintaining fullcompatibility and connection (hardware and software) of new modes with old ones, in advance
taking care of filling innovations with software.
> Do you remember the fairy tale about the naked king? :) Do you think you should drive
> for example CHRV praising ATM by the nose?
No need to praise. But in my opinion it is already useless to explain to the whole forum "the king
Black_CATu" that he is naked...
> So, the Spectrum community will be better off if instead of ZX compatible
> company will they produce something alien?
Alien is a purely personal concept. Here, at the CC, I approached the stands with Spectrums
the peasant sighed that before there were 40 keys and a tape, but now all sorts of
disk drives, cases, remote keyboards, three-channel sound... "No, it's not
speckie. That spirit no longer exists."... In his own way, for himself personally, he is right. But he doesn't
imposed his feelings through verbal diarrhea on other people.
> I have no prejudice towards ATM.
Yes (although literally until today I thought it wasn’t). And all the nonsense about him
(for example, about the mythical “speed” (what is this phenomenon?) of the memory manager, due to
which the software becomes incompatible) confirms this.
> I treat this computer the same way as others, but unlike others
> its development (development of ATM-3) can still be influenced. I doubt. Although if there are really SPECIFIC proposals....
> Who will win if development goes “in the wrong direction” and as a result ATM-3 becomes
> a stillborn monster?
It won't. I speak with confidence. Because the principles of innovation, what needs to be introduced and what
will definitely be a “dead weight” - I understand, as can be seen from the discussion, by an order of magnitude
better than you. And Roman additionally understands the complexity of implementing this or that
different in terms of "iron".
> Treatment is rarely a pleasant procedure, and these are bitter pills
> inevitability.
Listen, try, at least once, for example here, don’t
look for the speck in the eye of others, but notice the beam in your own eye? Well, at least
just once!
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> ZX48-128 is not two platforms, but one Original ZX platform,
Bla> inherited from us after the death of Sinclair Research Ltd.
Based on your principles, these are two different platforms.
> Extensions of the ZX128 relative to the ZX48 do not show signs of a new one
> platform,
Based on your principles - they carry it. Moreover, the ZX-48 and ZX-128 made different
people. However, Shaos answered you on this matter.
> they can only be classified as add-ons over the base
> platform that are part of this platform.
This is based on my principles, not yours, this is an add-on to
base platform.
> Just as later such add-ons became for the xUSSR ZX platform
> TR-DOS disk system
Well, this can still be considered an architecture add-on (new ROM and
call him via #3Dxx).
> and NemoBus. The fact that you do not want to understand the platform
> hierarchy leads to your disorientation - you just don’t understand how
> everything is correlated and therefore you get into trouble over and over again.
Am I the one who got into trouble? Don’t drive me away: you’ve just gotten yourself into trouble,and sat down in a puddle of shit:
> How is the NemoBUS bus an add-on?????
This weight is just a standardized and buffered output from the board
the main signals of the processor and the board itself. That is, an iron connector, not
adding no port, no mode - nothing to the computer. In other words, although this is
useful, but just a part on the board. In other words, if you put next to
two ZX-128+AY+TR-DOS, differing from each other only in the presence of a bus, then
the difference for the user will only be in the convenience of connecting new
standard devices. One will simply insert them into the connector, while the other will have to
use a soldering iron. Nothing more. And with the filing of "BC" - it became a new word in
development of computer architecture.
> Again: ATM already has signs of a new platform - this
> its new screens
Why the hell are new screens a sign of a new platform? (here
Just don’t overwhelm me with links to your monographs. Give your reasons here and now)
The ZX-128 also has a new screen - more precisely, a second screen page. And demos for
The ZX-128 won't work just because of lack of memory. But because with one
the screen on the ZX-128, in principle, it will not be possible to repeat such effects as 2bitplan,
3color, smooth movement of sprites, etc., etc. Conclusion - ZX-128 isa gross violation of the ZX-48 architecture, therefore the ZX-128 is not a Speccy. Well
the fact that all 48K software is compatible with it is the third thing...
> and a memory manager that differs from the standard one in terms of operating speed.
Do you understand what bullshit you pulled? What does speed have to do with it? Where did you dig it from?
“speed differences” that even I don’t know about? There are no differences. Yes
innovations in addition to the standard (especially since at some speed
not having a relationship), but not instead of it.
In short: ZX-128 and ATM are not Spectrum, because:
1. there are screens and/or screen pages that are not present in the ZX-48.
2. There are innovations in architecture, because of which you need to run 48-software
tune into 48-mode (in the ZX-128 - you need to turn on the zero screen, at
#0000 is a page from the BAS-48 ROM, and at address #C000 is page #00 of RAM. V V ATM
a little more - zero screen, resolution 256x192, standard palette. at the address
#0000 - ROM page with BAS-48, in #4000 - RAM 5, in #8000 - RAM 2, in #C000 - RAM
0), and without this the vast majority of 48 software will not work! Moreover, the software
using the new modes will be incompatible with the ZX-48 and will not work for owners
this platform! Conclusion - both the ZX-128 and ATM are monster hybrids for
"Business Applications" Compatible in Real Genuine and Super True
Spectrum only in one of its modes. So said the Great Me!> So there is no nonsense in this, there is your misunderstanding of the situation.
only in knowledge of the ATM architecture (which is still excusable), but also the architecture
Specky, moreover, generally misunderstands the meaning of the word architecture.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> 3) There about NemoBus: God be with you, where have you seen this? :) ATMovsky
Bla> memory manager is faster than those
Bla> managers that exist on other domestic clones (but
Bla> they are equally slow, although they differ in addresses and bits). B
Bla> result, when writing some kind of mythical program,
Bla> working with the memory manager of different clones, on ATM it is unlike
Bla> of other ZX clones will execute faster. Those. in the case of ATM
Bla> we have a different from the standard information dissemination environment (in
Bla> in this case according to time parameters), and this is a sign
Bla> of another platform. And what places does this manager switch to?
Bla> banks do not play any role, and I did not mention this.
Gee-gee-gee-gee-gee-gee!!!!!! Are you saying that the team LD A,#nn; LD; BC,#7FFD;
OUT(C),A; (for lamers - switching pages in the memory manager) will be
execute faster in ATM? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Listen, where did you get this information from? Why didn't you ask me if you were doing everything right?Understood? As someone familiar with the ATM architecture, I say that this is not a mistake - this is exactly where
Nonsense, not even remotely related to reality. And not only by
in relation to ATM, but also in relation to all other clones, memory managers
which (as we this comrade for the first time in decades of Speccy's existence
opened!) supposedly "equally slow" (do you even know that access to the top (and
not the top) memory of any clone can be made in different ways, with a different set of
coman. And depending on this, a different number of cycles will be required for switching
pages?)!
I'm bursting with laughter.
Mister: you are a complete lame:
a) as an iron expert (you don’t understand at all what architecture is and
how the hardware and connectors relate to it).
b) as a programmer (does not understand basic functioning
processor and processing of commands).
c) Lamer, not a teapot because he not only doesn’t know shit, but on the contrary,
I am sure that he knows absolutely everything, at least enough to give
advice to others, which is what he self-confidently does.
Taking into account the above nonsense, I, as a Speccy programmer (not an archvirtuoso,
but still), I insist - this topic, and the topic with "Chimera" - in the flame!
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> 1)BDI
Bla> 2)Multicard Nemo, Caro, etc.
Bla> 3)GS
Bla> 4) I don’t know for sure, but it seems there was a modem too.
In fact, the presence of a bus (that is, a connector) only makes the connection easier
(inserted it - and that’s it. No need to solder), but it doesn’t do it just because of this
possible. For example, back in 2000 I successfully connected a soldering iron to the terminals
processor still on ATM-1 General Sound. ZX-Nemo BUS is a wonderful thing, it’s a pity
that the MicroART people didn’t make it in their time (well, by 1991 it was like
There was no domestic Russian standard in nature. Is it in your head?
Nemo and Zonova). It will definitely be in ATM-3. That's just to the internal
This connector has nothing to do with the computer architecture. These are different
non-overlapping concepts.
Hello, psndcj
psn> MODERS!!! kill the topic!!!
psn>
psn> if you disagree, let's have a vote =)
fuck you. I suggest covering your ears and other senses.
CHR> I suggest moving it to flame...
disagree. I'm against censorship
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> 1)BDI
Bla> 2)Multicard Nemo, Caro, etc.
Bla> 3)GS
Bla> 4) I don’t know for sure, but it seems there was a modem too.
BDI from Nemo, keyboard and mouse controller, smuc, PROSCO
programmer, Midi interface from scorp, xtr-modem and gs.
there was also a Christmas tree
Hello, SAM style
MODERS!!! kill the topic!!!
If you disagree, let's have a vote =)
Hello, Black_Cat
Posted by SAM style
back then it was a foreign spec device. And then YYT took root and became the standard.
Where is the fracture?
And the turning point in the magic word Nemo - read by God!
Re Black Cat: and the developers started making controllers for it,
and what controllers did they start making? what devices (well, except for the IDE from Nemo)
Hello, CHRV
CHR> I suggest moving it to flame...
I support the chimera too
Hello, ilyaspb
ily> and what controllers did they start making? what devices (well, except for the IDE from
ily> Nemo)
1)BDI
2)Multicard Nemo, Caro, etc.
3)GS
4) I don’t know for sure, but it seems there was a modem too.
5) There were also attempts to develop video controllers with additional video modes, but nothing
remained in single copy.
In general, almost the entire set of PC devices plugged into the expansion bus.
Hello, SAM style
SAM> Quote:
SAM> NemoBus is a slightly modified ZXBus
SAM>
SAM> Changing the standard discredits the spec. NemoBus is evil!
ZXBus did not take root in the USSR, but its modification NemoBus became the xUSSR standard
ZX platforms.
If you want to get answers, stick to the topic, "insanity" of Max, Roman, and
Also, what I know, or not, how and what will happen is not relevant to the topic. What if
If you want to make fun, do it somewhere else, the same applies to Maxagor. On
there will be no answer to your mockery.
Hello, SAM style
SAM> By what criteria (list!) do you classify BDI, Nemo IDE and
SAM> AY/Yamaha to “incorruptible spec hardware”, but the fact that in ATM any
SAM> the page can be placed in any of the 4 memory locations you name
SAM> "enemy development"
Dear SAM style, where were you when all this was being discussed? :) Or for
for every latecomer to start lectures again? And your “” probably
should it be taken as an apology for being late? :)
Be kind and behave decently in society :) .
1) We got AY with the ZX128 as part of the platform and nothing can be done here.
:)
2) In fact, I mentioned BDI once, and even then in the context of the fact that
it has nothing to do with the platform:
Bla> So, for example, the TR-DOS system is an integral part of the platform, and
Bla> the FDD controller itself is not.
Bla> Thus, we can define the platform: ZX platform C is
Bla> structural features of the address space of ports and memory, as well as
Bla> features of the video processor architecture of the original ZX-Spectrum
Bla> compatible SOS, using Z80 command system, as well asBla> extension - using TR-DOS as a disk system
Bla> information storage and NemoBus as a hardware interface
Bla> extensions.
( http://www.zx.pk.ru/showpost.php?p=57749&postcount=106 ) So why are you confusing
there was nothing like that :).
3) In the same place about NemoBus;
Bla>; The concept of platform is somewhat broader, because includes
Bla> which have become the standard in a certain territory
Bla> propagation of changes and additions relative to the original. B
Bla> in this case, the territory of distribution is understood as the ex-USSR. When
Bla> this expanded interpretation of the platform does not impose requirements
Bla> is required, because these extensions and changes are
Bla> an add-on to an existing platform. An example of generally accepted
Bla> changes can serve as corrections and additions to SOS, as well as
Bla> using TR-DOS as a disk storage system
Bla> and NemoBus as a hardware expansion interface.
SAM> and the fact that in ATM any page can be placed in any of 4 places inYou call SAM> memory an “enemy development”
God bless you, where have you seen this? :) ATM memory manager is different
speed compared to those managers that exist on other
domestic clones (but they are equally slow, although they differ in addresses
and bits). As a result, when writing some even mythical program,
working with the memory manager of different clones, on ATM it is unlike the others
ZX clones will execute faster. Those. in the case of ATM we have a different
standard information dissemination environment (in this case, according to temporary
parameters), and this is a sign of a different platform. And then in what
places this manager switches banks does not play any role, and I’m not talking about it
mentioned.
Hello, CHRV
CHR> I suggest moving it to flame...
Comrade moderator, you are being disingenuous. There is no voting mechanism here. Alas, no
provided for by the charter. All decisions are made by moderators, so no need for arrows
translate to someone. In this matter there is only your decision and decision
forum administration.
There are violations - tell me what. No - don’t fool people’s heads.
Hello, CHRV
And by the way...
I vote for killing both topics (this and the chimera) completely. Or at least
close.
Hello, Black_Cat
Where I was was entirely my business. But this...
Bla> ...includes those that have become standard...
According to your own manual (which no one has ever read, does not read and
won’t read it, because you’re already boring for everyone ...), he
back then it was a foreign spec device. And then YYT took root and became the standard.
Where is the fracture?
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> And if you want to make fun, do it somewhere else
Well, so you need to pour everything into the flame and have fun there.
Max said about “not applicable” - see paragraph 3. Depends a lot on your knowledge
the level of your nonsense!
Ehm... Sclerosis has knocked me down... Remind me why you stood out in the spec except
tongue-scratching?
Hello, Black_Cat
> NemoBus is a slightly modified ZXBus
Changing the standard discredits the spec. NemoBus is evil!
> And now not a single sane developer will invent something
> yours.
Conclusion - you are insane. You invent some crap (don’t deny it, I’m talking about your
I saw new video modes in the chimera) while the “insane” Max, Roman and
your comrades have already invented gadgets that you still have to conceptualize and
conceptualize because you don’t know HOW yours will be realized
nonsense.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> And here's what's on Conan's website about this; "How was it different
Bla> English version of its Spanish twin? Differences
Bla> circuit design was minimal: they added a choke in the stabilizer
Bla> (a place for which was already provided) and a filter in the shaper
Bla> television signal. In all other respects the schemes were identical."
Bla> http://zxnext.narod.ru/hist1986.htm New throttle according to you
Is Bla> a sign of a new platform? You should still read the manual, otherwise it’s in concept
Bla> platforms are completely floating. :)
It's a no brainer that the British version of the ZX-128 differs little from the Spanish one - and
both were assembled in Spanish factories ;)
But the ZX-128 differed significantly from the ZX-48 - and according to my standards, the ZX-128 is quite
can be called a platform different from the ZX-48 (like the ATM itself, which
is a Spectrum clone, and even if anyone wants it - a “hardware emulator”
the original Spectrum and some of its modifications, plus it has its own
own capabilities as a completely independent and complete platform).
Hello, CHRV
CHR> I suggest moving it to flame...
Yes - it’s more logical to move the topic to the “Flame” section because it’s more preferable for
for this topic(s), the "Bullshit" section is not provided on this forum;)