United world of ZX-Spectrum
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Hello Lennon
Project status.
1) purchase of ZX-Spectrum +3 (waiting for delivery)
2) Search for BID, hardware, diagram.
3) viewing software under +3 dos
Hello, All
:v2_smoke;
Found; its niche in the vast world of ZX-Spectrum, in which there is not so much
projects that are new. After Spectrum moved to PC as
emulators, whatever has not been done, but an elementary commander capable
there is no way to transfer files from the +3 DOS image to the TR-DOS image, although on the world website
ZX-Spectrum has posted many programs under +3 DOS, and all programs are mostly
older than 1990. Having a quick look at the list you will find almost nothing
familiar, what was found on TR-DOS disks and in the Virtual TR-DOS archives. When
It is worth noting that programs written after 9 were distinguished by high
quality, this was apparently facilitated by the accumulated experience of programmers, and
probably in general the development of information technology. Moreover, the world
ZX-Spectrum is actually divided into two camps, what is over the hill, and what
what we have in Russia. The combination of these two worlds looks very
tempting and interesting from many sides. First of all, most of us are real
They haven’t seen the ZX-Spectrum, much less touched it, so they don’t really know
features of its models, while all their lives they use its copy, which is like
is always known worse than any even the most unsuccessful original (aesthete), therefore
This project will allow us to expand our horizons a little. Secondly, many
Russian software developments remain unnoticed, similar to ourscommunities in the west. Despite the fact that most emulators with support
TR-DOS are freely distributed on the Internet, users are accustomed to cassettes
and +3 disks most likely prefer images of data media rather than an image
TR-DOS.
Core of the TR-DOS project for Spectrum +3:v2_clapp;
Given; direction, is of purely sporting interest (which option
modernization is most optimal), and practical meaning (development of a new
ZX-Spectrum models with support for the two most common DOS)
Related directions:
1) Creation of a new or modification of one of the old commanders that will allow
work immediately with +3 Dos and TR-Dos.
2) Improvement of emulators. Introduction of +3 Dos image support
3) Recommendations for adapting programs from TR-DOS to +3DOS, something similar
Rodionov's famous book.
4) Adaptation of the best Russian programs for +3 DOS, and creation of a page in
on the Internet in English, where they will be posted.
5) your suggestions.
P.S. Hello... :v2_lol; :v2_laugh:; Mishutka, hello, haven't seen you for a long time
it was visible!
Hello Lennon
Moreover, if it’s dead, take it cheaply, as if it’s illiquid.
And then you look and it will be possible to restore it... Using a domestic element base.
;)
Hello hero
her> Right now he is on the middle seashore
This greeting will be all the more valuable when he arrives!
It's always nice to know that people remember you in your absence! :)
Hello Lennon
Progress in the project!
Negotiations are underway with the German Thomas Eberle, who runs an online store
ancient computers, about purchasing a proprietary Beta 128 interface. He has it in
a single copy, externally it is in perfect condition, but there is something in it
broken, because as our German colleague says when connecting NIHT
VOBLA :) But it’s not scary, as a last resort, go to the museum!
Hello jdigreze
len> ...on the world website ZX-Spectrum there are many programs for +3 DOS,
len> and all programs are mostly older than 1990. Taking a quick look
len> list You won't find almost anything familiar...
But I noticed that many games are simply adapted in the second
half of the 1990s, many of them were written back in the 1980s.
len> Related directions: ...
len> 2) Improvement of emulators. Introduction of image support +3 Dos...
The existing Real Spectrum emulator supports +3 disk images. I launched
several images downloaded from http://worldofspectrum.org. Nothing special...
Everything is the same as in TR-DOS.
Hello, goodboy
goo> name, for example, interesting/necessary programs for +3 that are not in
goo> trd
+1
By the way, I already asked this question, but did not receive an answer...
Hello, goodboy
There is a rational grain in this proposal. why divide into several camps?
spektrumists?
Hello Lennon
name, for example, interesting/necessary programs for +3 that are not in trd
Hello Grand
Gra> But I noticed that many games are simply adapted in
Gra> second half of the 1990s, many of them were written back in the 1980s
Gra> years.
There are some, it’s just that apparently there was a demand for them, apparently they were popular.
Gra> The existing Real Spectrum emulator supports +3 disk images. I
Gra> launched several images downloaded from http://worldofspectrum.org.
Gra> Nothing special... Everything is the same as in TR-DOS.
Does it support TR-dos?
Hello, The Exploited
It’s better to arrange a poll, let’s say on WoS, whether foreigners are interested in our games,
Newart said correctly - the initiative should come from them,
why impose our software, if anyone is interested, look under the emulsion
Moreover, for example, most of the dems are tailored for our computers (number of cycles per
line, number of lines) and in real life it will look strange, to put it mildly,
there also seems to be differences in sound ABC/ACB
Hello Lennon
len> It was written about Russian programs in tr-dos, if they are translated to +3, then
len> they will become available to a wider range of users. For example, Elite 3
len> Ephoria, and various other interesting toys made by Russians
len> by the authors.
absolutely illogical - you will cut out a proprietary controller on your spec, and then
Are you going to remake the software for it? in general there are very big doubts that you
you can even remake the same 3rd elite under a different system.
len> in particular BG93,
KR1818VG93 (similar to WD1793)
len> while in the West +3dos became more widespread
It is in the West that other disk systems are more common - MB02 and D+ (or
D80/D40)
len> Get a spec that is as close as possible to the proprietary one, having
len> good looking, compact and with support for our favorite tr-board
with mono sound (which, however, can be treated) and a bunch of domestic ones not working
programs, I will be very interested in the percentage, but I think it is not small
Hello, The Exploited
The> KR1818VG93 (analogous to WD1793)
What do you mean by this?
This is exactly what we are talking about, that there was our analogue.
The> other disk systems are more common in the West - MB02
The> and D+ (or D80/D40)
For some reason, discs are sold mostly at +3 and on the world website mostly at +3 and
trdoski
The> is absolutely illogical - you will cut out the proprietary controller on your
The> speck, and then you will stand under it
what does this mean?
illogical :)))))))
It was said that the BID will simply be connected at the beginning, perhaps I’ll leave it and
+3 dos, I’ll make a switch somehow, they’re unlikely to work together!
And maybe I’ll cut it off altogether if there’s absolutely nothing interesting on the +3 discs!
Hello Lennon
Not BID, but BDI from Beta Disc Interface
I don’t know, I got lost or just mistyped several times in a row
Hello Lennon
len> what do you mean by this?
len> This is exactly what we are talking about, that there was our analogue.
Most likely +3 is built on exactly this - the reasons for the spread of tyrdos among
us, it seems to me, are a little different.
Hello Lennon
len> No one divided, history divided us.
So I’m not new to the spec scene - I know. I’m saying that there are calls like “nah
we need the bourgeoisie, we have enough of our own,” and I propose not to divide into tyrdos or tyrdos. spec
he is one for all ;)
Hello, acidrain
aci> Most likely +3 is built on exactly this - reasons for the spread
aci> our tyrdos, it seems to me, are slightly different.
no, there is some kind of 765 FDC.
Hello Lennon
len> what do you mean by this?
len> This is exactly what we are talking about, that there was our analogue.
It’s me who will eliminate your illiteracy for free. look what you wrote
message earlier.
len> For some reason, discs are sold mainly at +3 and on the world website in
len> mostly +3 and trdoski
I was in Europe (Eastern) and personally communicated and saw what and how they work
foreign comrades. even the 3.5" drive was adjusted to make the graphic work
compo on Spectrum.
len> illogical
illogical means NOT LOGICAL. Or weren’t you given an ABC book at school?
len> It was said that the BID will simply be connected at the beginning,
What is BID?
len> Or maybe I’ll cut it off altogether if there’s absolutely nothing on +3 disks
len> nothing interesting!
are there any disks?
Hello, The Exploited
The> it is I who will eliminate your illiteracy for free. look what you
The> wrote a message earlier.
This is what is written there: “After all, it is known that tr-dos took root in the USSR in the first
turn due to the element base, in particular BG93, while in the west
+3dos became more widespread due to other reasons, no matter what."
Do you need to chew something?
Well, let's chew. There were several variants of disk operating systems. B
Russia chose the TR-DOS system due to the fact that the controller for the disk drive was
made on LSI WD1793, which has a Russian analogue KR1818VG93.
Or did you decide to give me the full names of microsehs, I thought that I would never find them?
did you see? I just never remember such things unless I chat with them.
I’m faced with this, because brains are not a trash can and all sorts of nonsense should be stored there
not always useful...
And in general, forget about the fact that you are liquidating something there, especially
illiteracy! What have you achieved in your life to have the right of someone
teach and assess literacy and knowledge?
What are your achievements :v2_finge; ?; Have you even received a higher education?
:v2_rolley
Hello hero
her> I don’t know, I got lost or just mistyped several times
it’s more convenient when there’s a vowel between consonants...
Hello, The Exploited
The> no, there is some kind of 765 FDC there.
If it's really 765, then it's a Zilog Z0765FDC. By the way, in the early PCs
it was used, and the current incarnations are a continuation of this controller.
Hello Lennon
len> in particular BG93
for the illiterate: VG93 is written with the letter “B”, this is the third letter of the Cyrillic alphabet.
len> I just never remember such things unless I chat with them
len> I encounter
There is no need to mislead people, at least read what you write. typos
more than words in your posts.
len> What have you achieved in your life to have the right to teach someone and
len> give assessments of literacy and knowledge?
len> What are your achievements? Have you at least received a higher education?
There is no division on the forum based on age, education, or position. yes
people with privileges and if you don't stick your tongue out, you'll go
free walking in a known direction.
Hello, The Exploited
The> for the illiterate: VG93 is written with the letter "B", this is the third letter
The> Cyrillic alphabet.
Listen, you have nothing better to do than fix all sorts of nonsense?
I wrote it as I remembered it from memory.
And this importunity of yours is simply annoying...
The> there is no need to mislead people, at least read what you are saying
The> you write. There are more typos than words in your posts.
Normal people don’t remember markings, especially those who are used to holding a lot
information in your head. I think it's unlikely that anyone will get lost there because of this...
This is not a reference book, but a forum.
The> there is no division on the forum by age, education, occupation
The> positions. there are people with privileges and if you don't stick your tongue
The> where to go, then you will go for a free walk in the famous
The> direction.
These differences exist everywhere and always, this is how the world works. And all these little ones are yours
the undercuts are simply annoying.
Hello hero
her> Citrus fruits for soap!!!
I remember you said that Mishutka is at sea. Did you mean White Mishutka or
there is also another one, just a bear in Latin letters :). (noticeed recently)
I actually wrote about IceBear, I called it that because I thought there was only one
bear cub, and then it turns out there are like cats... Both northern and southern and in general
what a teddy bear!
In short, I will now call him White Mishutka! ABOUT,! or like in the cartoon, Umka! :)
Sorry for the offtopic :v2_laugh:
Hello jdigreze
jdi> If it's really 765, then it's Zilog Z0765FDC. By the way, in the early PCs
jdi> it was used, and the current incarnations are a continuation of this
jdi> controller.
From this we can conclude that the controller for +3 DOS was still better than
Beta?
I looked at the +3 Amstrad diagram and did everything there wisely, using trends
of that time. Perhaps the controller was not chosen by chance, namely 765...
Hello Lennon
len> I looked at the +3 Amstrad diagram, I did everything there wisely, using
len> trends of that time. Perhaps the controller was not chosen by chance
len> exactly 765
The "765" controller is the same Intel 8272 controller that was in the first
multicards on PCs, and is present in a modified form as part of chipsets
all modern PCs. Why one chip has two different names cannot be said?
I can, but the championship seems to be for NEC (NEC765). There are also Z765, uPD765, WD3765, and
also Intel modifications 82072 and 82073, perhaps something else.
In counterweight to this FDC family there is another family from WesternDigital
(WD17xx, WD27xx), which includes our KR1818VG93 (torn
analogue of WD1793).
Each of the families has both its pros and cons. In particular, knowledgeable people
They claim that the disadvantage of the 765 chip is the batch method of loading commands -
There are only two registers in the chip and therefore the numbers of the side, track, sector are needed
transmit in command packets.
As for the smart one, take the MB-02 controller circuit (Spectrum multicard on
base WD2797A), you will also like it.
Hello spensor
spe> And as for the mind, take the MB-02 controller circuit (Spectrum
spe> multicard based on WD2797A), you will also like it.
Where can I get it? I haven’t seen it yet?
Hello Lennon
as recent practice shows (cronosoft website, for example)
abroad - tap. and, in my opinion, it would be easier to make a tap version of the game program,
than to remake it for +3dos
Hello, scl^mc
len> Where can I get it? I haven’t seen it?
I’ll google and forum search engine to help you: http://zx.pk.ru/showthread.php?t=838
Hello Lennon
Progress in the project!
Beta 128 controller found!
Question for iron experts!
What kind of modification? What is the name of this circuit?
Was there a diagram and where can I get it?
+++
There is no ROM, but there is room for it. How to sew a Speck ROM using trdos or
should I add it there?
I look forward to your wishes and advice!
Here is the controller itself:
P.S. Changed the brow to BKashka
File: bg93.jpg http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=3750